Tech Press Slowly Figuring Out That Banning TikTok Doesn’t Fix The Actual Problem

from the you're-not-actually-helping dept

The great TikTok moral panic of 2023 is largely a distraction. It’s a distraction from the fact we’ve refused to meaningfully regulate dodgy data brokers, who traffic in everything from your daily movement habits to your mental health diagnosis. And it’s a distraction from our corrupt failure to pass even a baseline privacy law for the internet era.

Until the last few weeks, that’s been an oddly under-represented point in press coverage: namely that banning TikTok doesn’t actually fix the problem you’re claiming to fix if you’re not willing to regulate the data broker space more generally. In large part because Chinese and Russian intelligence (or U.S. governments seeking to avoid warrants) can simply pay data brokers for sensitive information anyway.

When the press covers TikTok, this kind of important context either doesn’t exist or is weirdly downplayed. Case in point: the Wall Street Journal last week published a review of more than 3,500 companies, organizations, and government entities that found that tracking pixels from TikTok’s parent company ByteDance were present in 30 U.S. state-sponsored government websites across 27 states.

Several of those states have taken strides to ban TikTok on government owned devices (a good call), yet were kind of oblivious that this additional layer of tracking was even taking place:

The presence of that code means that U.S. state governments around the country are inadvertently participating in a data-collection effort for a foreign-owned company, one that senior Biden administration officials and lawmakers of both parties have said could be harmful to U.S. national security and the privacy of Americans.

So yes, this is not great. At the same time, this is not remotely unique to TikTok. With no privacy law for the internet era, and a general refusal to regulate the data broker space (lest U.S. companies make slightly less money and the U.S. government be forced to obtain warrants), we’ve created an information exchange ecosystem that sees little meaningful oversight or accountability.

Every app on your phone, every website you visit, every telecom network you use all track everything about you in granular detail. That data is then hoovered up by an intentionally confusing data broker market where any idiot with a nickel can buy access to it. Claims that this data has been “anonymized” (and therefore completely safe) are monumental bullshit.

Far down the page, the WSJ acknowledges that this problem goes well beyond TikTok:

U.S. adversaries such as China and Russia routinely use shell companies and proxies to extract marketing and consumer information from the advertising exchanges that deliver the display ads, according to people familiar with the matter. Such advertising exchanges have code running on nearly every cellphone on earth and can collect information about many of those devices. 

But again, notice how the fact that banning TikTok fixes absolutely none of this is kind of just a weird afterthought. And this is one of the better stories on the subject. Most mainstream stories on TikTok are tinged with all kinds of weird patriotic biases that generally miss the forest for the trees, keen on parroting the claim that banning a single app actually solves what are much deeper problems.

Only in the last few months have I seen this dynamic start to shift as the TikTok hearing gets close, but it’s been rough sledding.

I still tend to think the U.S. press has been generally played by politicians whose motivations have little to actually do with consumer privacy and national security. I think there’s plenty of xenophobic folks who simply believe that the money being made by ByteDance belongs in the back pocket of American companies, who’ll then get a free pass to do all the things we’re accusing China of.

The fact that a TikTok ban does little to fix the actual problem (a corrupt refusal to regulate data brokers) never even enters into it because most of the folks making the most noise about TikTok are not interested in fixing the actual problem. They don’t want empowered consumers opting out of lucrative data over-collection by U.S. companies, nor do they want the U.S. government forced to obtain warrants.

Even if our refusal to meaningfully regulate data brokers means that foreign governments have wider access to U.S. consumer data. So instead we get whatever this weird moral panic is; basically a lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. A grand fit of hyperventilation designed to generally distract you from our well-documented, corruption-fueled failures on consumer protection and privacy law.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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Please note that “having a connection to China” doesn’t count.

Well yes, it does, actually. Seriously, you can’t just dismiss that out of hand, they are an enemy state.

But for more concrete things:

  • Presiously tiktok was actual malware, worming into sections of iOS and Android they very much were not intended to. That’s been solved…..for now. (Apple caught them first) but the fact that they actively hacked host OSs matters.
  • They have tracked individual journalists who were saying things they don’t like. Yeah, yeah, TD tells you can do all the same through databrokers but it’s not the same at all, actually. You CAN do that but it’s HARD. You may not always have the data you need, it may not be available. “De-Anonymonizing” is possible, it’s not guaranteed. Vs Tiktok just has the data of someone who’s using their app, no need to go track it down or buy it, it’s just there. It’s the difference between possibly being able to google an address vs just having it written down already.
  • There’s the simple fact of being able to filter by subject. (something which our own government was doing through Twitter and FB, was very bad, and I don’t expect to see happen again) When China invades Taiwan, what motivation do they have not to slant that conversation?

I repeat, “having a connection to China” is Plenty, actually.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Well yes, it does, actually. Seriously, you can’t just dismiss that out of hand, they are an enemy state.

Okay then.

So, how many CIA agents should be watching Elon Musk then? He wrote a puff piece for Xinhua PRAISING CHINA, among his other endeavours in China.

Sgould the CIA also monitor every American company that has assets in China? Or relies on Chinese manufacturing?

Maybe the CIA should also watch the Republican Party too. After all, Xi’s cronies know how to “make a deal” with a Republican, after watching the Russians do it with impunity.

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T.L. (profile) says:

On top of the growing number of stories that acknowledge the lack of privacy regulation, the fact that at least two House Democrats, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Jamaal Bowman, have pointed out that Congress has not received a security briefing concerning TikTok kinda gives a paper tiger affect to the push to ban TikTok.

The largely negative response online to Shou Zi Chew’s hearing helped to expose the paper tiger aspect of this push, and AOC and Bowman’s comments have given validity to the various theories behind the actual motivations for targeting the app (a nonsensical move to contain China economically that would hinder the American content creator and small business economies, the U.S. seeking to control political narratives undermined by American political content creators on the platform, a jawboning effort to ensure intelligence agencies get access to data from the app’s American users, or some in Silicon Valley – led by Meta – abusing their lobbying power to eliminate a competitor that eroded their market share). Basically, the national security claims now come off even more as the digital world’s equivalent of the weapons of mass destruction lie that was used as a pretext for the Iraq war.

The fact that AOC, Bowman and even Rand Paul have come out against a ban hopefully means more politicians and even companies (including those who use TikTok to market their products) who have sat on the sidelines of this debate will speak up against the idea. The more that politicians and media outlets call attention to the need to address the unregulated data market legislatively the better; hopefully unlike with the WMD lie, the dangerous precedent a ban would set for the Internet broadly and to all media domestically (given the party who has harped on banning TikTok the most is also the party that has increasingly become censorship-happy) can be prevented before it happens.

Tanner Andrews (profile) says:

Re: Re: had that happen recently

TechDirt UI around signing-in whilst replying

Yes, that happened to me recently as well. Not sure why it keeps forgetting that I logged in.

Of course preview and flag are still broken, at least without the danger of javascript. Have they fixed any of the bugs in the new site so as to get functionality back to where it was, say, five years ago?

Anonymous Coward says:

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Those same boomers think any app TikTak’s use of the home why-fi is Bad And Should Be Stopped.

Also, why does the sunglasses filter need to see the user’s dilated eyes in order to tell their mental state and possibly flash a strobe in order to reprogram them to be a mindless CCCP slave!!!!!!

Anonymous Coward says:

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“use of the home why-fi”

Yeah, I laughed when I heard that silliness from US Rep. Richard Hudson. AFAIK,congressional representatives are allowed to hire staff who could provide the needed expertise, but apparently many do not.

Reminded me of the similar exchange when US Rep. Ted Poe asked Google CEO Sundar Pichai about tracking.

“I have an iPhone, and if I move from here and go over there and sit with my Democrat friends, which would make them real nervous, does Google track my movement?” Poe asked, while holding up an Apple phone. “Does Google through this phone know that I have moved here and moved over to the left.”

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T.L. (profile) says:

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Congressmembers would have better expertise on tech matters if the Office of Technology Assessment still existed. It was defunded in 1995 under Newt Gingrich’s “Contract to America” plan, because it was an unbiased organization that wouldn’t cow to political narratives. The Chew hearing is one of many instances that highlight both why Newt wanted to defund it, and why eliminating the agency was a detriment to politicians. (Ironically, Newt suggested shortly after the midterms that Republicans should come around to using TikTok to court young voters, despite the allegations of the app’s security risk.) Hopefully, someone in Congress will introduce legislation aimed at reviving the OTA somewhere down the line.

ECA (profile) says:

So much fun

Doing something thats Done in this country every fricking day, in every way possible by so many companies its stupid to think you have any privacy.
And its been happening for longer then the internet has been around. Ask Sears.
There have been tons of Server break-ins then most people know about, and allot of them have been in medical. the rest of the info has been around along time and fairly easy for the corps to get. It just costs money.
Do you think the gov. would leave that Information out there, if they couldnt use it? They didnt do it, but could buy it.
But medical is Very private. And really restricted, and USED to be Paper only and only at your doctors. And you had to sign Lots of papers to get copies to other Doctors.

Now there is a Intermediary device that everyone use’s for Paper work. Saves time and effort for everyone, and FOR some GOD AWFUL REASON people think connecting it to the net is a good idea.
This comes under 3rd party information. ANd isnt considered Private. And not part of the 1st amendment. And the exaggeration that everything is About the 1st amendment.

The real threat isnt OTHER countries. Its our own. What do other countries WANT with our data? try to get people in the USA to convert to OTHER ideals? Become a spy? Become Muslim?
If this country was as great as SOME would want, and NOT become a Closed down military Police state. Would you really worry so much about it?
Whats going to happen? Someone gets enough info to blackmail a RICH person? A rich person sells Tech info to become richer? ITS for the kids? So they get enough info to kidnap your kids? Isnt that a school problem?

nerdrage (profile) says:

Re: yeah I'm curious about that too

Other than China maybe blackmailing overseas Chinese by threatening relatives, I’m not sure what good it would do them to know my internet behavior, or the behavior or most Americans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/03/24/tiktok-online-privacy-laws/

So at least one mainstream publication is discussing the issue. Since it’s paywalled, I’ll quote the relevant parts:

“The bipartisan uproar over TikTok’s Chinese ownership stems from the concern that China’s laws could allow its authoritarian government to demand or clandestinely gain access to sensitive user data, or tweak its algorithms to distort the information its young users see. The concerns are genuine. And yet the United States has failed to bequeath Americans most of the rights it now accuses TikTok of threatening.

While the European Union has far-reaching privacy laws, Congress has not agreed on national privacy legislation, leaving Americans’ online data rights up to a patchwork of state and federal laws. In the meantime, reams of data on Americans’ shopping habits, browsing history and real-time location, collected by websites and mobile apps, is bought and sold on the open market in a multi-hundred-billion-dollar industry. If the Chinese Communist Party wanted that data, it could get huge volumes of it without ever tapping TikTok. (In fact, TikTok says it has stopped tracking U.S. users’ precise location, putting it ahead of many American apps on at least one important privacy front.)”

So…propaganda? Do TikTok users give a flip about any government’s propaganda? That’s almost giving them too much credit.

T.L. (profile) says:

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TikTok users are kinda aware when the government is peddling propaganda, that’s why they’re not buying Washington’s claims about the app, especially since intelligence agencies haven’t provided declassified evidence backing them up… not even to the elected officials that have been making the claims.

I should note the Post’s stories are partially paywalled, as long as you haven’t used up the allotted monthly free story access (and clearing cookies can sidestep that if you have), you can see the full story without a subscription.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Other than China maybe blackmailing overseas Chinese by threatening relatives, I’m not sure what good it would do them to know my internet behavior, or the behavior or most Americans.

Planning better disinfo campaigns, though the Xi dynasty prefers to stick to the tried and tested, ie, the CIA PLAYBOOK.

The only thing I’ll admit is that the way the Xi Dynasty controls its transnational corps is very worrying, but that’s not related to the situation.

nerdrage (profile) says:

social media is the problem

All social media treats users as the product to be sold to the customer, the advertiser. Or the Chinese government but it’s usually advertisers. If you agree to use TikTok or Facebook or Twitter etc, you agree to be treated like a product, with no civil rights or privacy expectations.

Adjust your behavior or expectations accordingly. If all social media vanished tomorrow because of lack of users and revenue, the world would not be any worse for it. I see Muskrat is doing his best to eradicate Twitter from the equation.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Social media can also be a force for good, especially in disaster situations and subsequent rescue and recovery events. The ability for strangers to come together to solve problems is unique to social media. It is reactive, in that forward planning to know what resources are available where is not needed, neither is a heavy bureaucracy to route messages and maintain coordination required.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

The world is already pretty shit even without the latest “X is shit” nonsense.

And if the big social media platforms disappear, you’ll blame Mastodon, Tumblr, IRC, Usenet, comment sections, forums, libraries, public parks, town fairs, farmer’s markets, or any place where people gather.

Especially when social media merely amplifies the shittiness of the real problem: humans.

Anathema Device (profile) says:

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“All social media”

Not Mastodon.

“If all social media vanished tomorrow because of lack of users and revenue, the world would not be any worse for it.”

Really? I think the lack of easy connection between people and quick and simple access to news and information would have a strongly deleterious effect on the world. It’s like saying if all phones disappeared tomorrow, nothing would happen. It’s an inane argument.

RyunosukeKusanagi (profile) says:

let’s put this into context, If John Oliver can do it to sitting Senators… so can Anyone and Everyone else… it’s not JUST China that has access to this information, So does Russia, and Belarus, and Saudi Arabia, and Mexican Drug Cartels, and Latin American Gangs, US Govt, British, Australian, Japanese, India. It’s the Catholic Church, the Islamic Church, Christian Churches, Jewish Synagogues that have access to this information. I

In short, if you’ve got the coin, you can buy any and all kinds of information on anyone in the world these days.

Henry Bashmore says:

The TIKTOK ban in the restrict act could make accessing TikTok via VPN illegal with jail time

People are talking about this on Reddit and calling the restrict act THE PATRIOT ACT 2.0. When are we going to do another internet blackout with TikTok TO STOP THESE BILLS. The reason for the blackout is to inform people that if they think TIKTOK is the only site that will be banned under the restrict ac they are sadly mistaken. America is trying to create there own firewall BLACKOUT TIKTOK AND THE INTERNET TO STOP THE RESTRICT ACT

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