Lazy Reporters Claiming Fediverse Is ‘Slumping,’ Despite Massive Increase In Usage

from the lies,-damn-lies,-and-statistics dept

There’s been this weird series of articles lately, trying to frame the rapid growth of the fediverse (mainly Mastodon), as somehow now failing. It started last month, with the Guardian’s Josh Nicholas leaping in with a provocative headline: “Elon Musk drove more than a million people to Mastodon – but many aren’t sticking around” and now Wired has a similar article, by Amanda Hoover, declaring “The Mastodon Bump Is Now a Slump.

The issue, according to both articles, is that because a ton of people signed up to check out Mastodon in November and December as Elon Musk began his program of Musking up Twitter, and not all of them decided to stick around, that proves the site is a failure. Except, that’s wrong on so many levels.

Any site getting a big influx of users is going to have some number of them choose not to engage, especially something that’s new and different. But if you look at the actual retention rate for the fediverse, it’s astoundingly high. Looking at sites that track actual usage of the fediverse, we see that it went up quite a lot in November and December, and while it’s dipped in January, it’s still way above where it was pre-Musk takeover. Also, it’s worth noting that these stats apply to the entire fediverse, and not just Mastodon. While it’s common just to talk about Mastodon, the 1.4 million number that people discuss is just those on Mastodon, based on Mastodon’s own stats. But, many users move on to compatible platforms that don’t end up in that count, like Pleroma, Pixelfed, Misskey, Calckey, and the like. So, the numbers here show a topping off of active users around 4 million, and it currently being around 2.6 million, way, way above the ~600k before Musk’s takeover:

I’m not sure how going from 600k to 2.6 million in just a couple of months can be deemed “a slump.” It sure looks like pretty damn good retention overall. I mean, if we just look at Twitter, there is somewhere around 1.3 billion accounts, but only 368 million active users per month (or, 238 million monetizable daily active users) according to the last numbers pre-Musk. Would anyone say that those numbers prove Twitter was “slumping” because somewhere around a billion accounts are inactive on the platform?

Either way, actual usage of the fediverse continues to increase month by month, including through January, meaning that while some people signed up and never used it, those who are using it, are using it more and more. These are the kinds of things you’d think a journalist would cover in these articles, but they’re taking the lazy way out and simply looking at the topline number of how many people checked in once or twice and then didn’t stick around, while ignoring just how much the platform continues to grow and thrive.

There are plenty of things that the fediverse can do to improve, and the crazy thing is that many of those things are… happening, and happening quickly. Lately, there have been a lot of discussions about making the onboarding process much better, because too many people find it cumbersome. That’s fixable. And more and more developers have been moving over to Mastodon, and the launches of tons of new, easier to use clients is an exciting development as well.

Meanwhile, as EFF’s Ross Schulman rightly details, the comparisons to just Twitter are similarly misleading, as part of the value of the fediverse is not that it’s a “Twitter” clone, but that it can provide tons of useful services:

Where we disagree, is that Mastodon (as part of the Fediverse) does offer that in the form of a truly interoperable and portable social media presence. Characterizing Mastodon as a mere Twitter-clone overlooks this strength of the fediverse to be or become any social platform you can imagine. That’s the power of protocols. The fediverse as a whole is a micro-blogging site, as well as for sharing photos, videos, book lists and reading updates, and more.

Of course, inertia is always an issue. Getting people to move from one site to another never happens overnight. MySpace was so dominant that Facebook could never overtake it… until it did. Digg was dominant over Reddit. Until it wasn’t.

The fediverse might not ever get as big as these other sites, and it doesn’t need to. It’s already hit critical mass to be an extremely useful site, and the rate of development of new offerings and services to make it more useful over the last couple of months has been eye-opening. But the infatuation by the media with the belief that because it only retained a huge portion, and not all, of the people who jumped over to check it out… seems weird.

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That Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

I can’t do better than I did on Mastodon..

Perhaps the problem is… you suck.

I present as an immortal sociopath, and I manage to get interaction with people.
I’ve reconnected with people I knew on teh twitters, people I knew from elsewhere, and a whole new group of people who had no idea what they were doing when they followed me… and they stayed.

Maybe your instance choice was poor… consider moving.
Maybe you just suck… try harder.
The problem isn’t Mastodon is the only truth to consider.

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Bloof (profile) says:

People need to be realistic about Mastodon, it’s not going to get a hundred million users overnight just because Elon has no idea whay he’s doing and opened pandoras box to let out all the nazis. It’ll grow slowly, steadily, getting an influx of users every time Twitter and/or Facebook do something else horrendous, and as the people developing it smooth down the rough edges to improve the overall user experience.

Speaking as someone who uses it, some of the userbase need to dial it back a little with the evangelism. Judging people for not immediately making the leap from Twitter will only put people off, especially when those people tend to be freelance creatives who need the widest userbase to sell their skills.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4

I’m not sorry.

Why? Your words and actions prove it.

I’ve already tried to use the evidence, but since you’ll jist handwave it it away and tell me to “grow up and get a life”, why bother?

Kniwong you, the implication from you is to start worshipping the Chinese overlords running my country and pray I don’t get arrested.

Besides, guess what? I only reserve it for people like you. Which is an exclusive group of about 5 people.

Bloof (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2

I just picked two of the most shameful examples off the top of my head as I’m not inclined to link to new accounts for you to follow, and the fact you don’t think the founder of the daily Stormer (I got his site named after the Nazi newspaper Der Stürmer mixed up with the other one), and former owner of the Total Fascism blog is a Nazi says everything anyone needs to know about you.

‘You call everyone a Nazi, also people who openly promote Nazi ideology don’t count because if they aren’t from 1930’s Germany, it’s just sparkling fascism!’

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Violet Aubergine says:

Re: Re:

Explain parody to a stupid and boring person.

Sure, I can explain what a parody is in a way that’s simple and easy to understand. A parody is a type of artwork that imitates another piece of work in a humorous or satirical way. It takes the elements of the original work and exaggerates or changes them in order to make fun of it or comment on it in a humorous way. Think of it as a silly imitation of something, made to make people laugh. For example, a parody of a popular song might change the lyrics to be silly or nonsensical, while still keeping the tune and melody of the original.

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Anathema Device (profile) says:

Re: Really, no

“some of the userbase need to dial it back a little with the evangelism”

Polite suggestions that people will be happier and safer anywhere but Twitter and oh hey, look at this wonderful option, aren’t half – not enough 15 – as annoying and insulting as Twitter evangelists shitting on everything to do with Mastodon in the mainstream media.

Also, I remember the early days of Twitter. You want to see evangelism? It was EVERYWHERE AND INESCAPABLE.

So, really. No. The word needs to get out that people can move so they will move. Twitter needs to die if Musk continues to own it because what he’s creating is an active force for evil in the world. No hyperbole.

Thad (profile) says:

Re: Re:

Polite suggestions that people will be happier and safer anywhere but Twitter and oh hey, look at this wonderful option, aren’t half – not enough 15 – as annoying and insulting as Twitter evangelists shitting on everything to do with Mastodon in the mainstream media.

Also, I remember the early days of Twitter. You want to see evangelism? It was EVERYWHERE AND INESCAPABLE.

This reeks of whataboutism.

I’m enjoying Mastodon so far, but “whatabout how bad Twitter evangelists are?” doesn’t argue anything in anyone’s favor, no matter how many capital letters you use.

Anathema Device (profile) says:

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“This reeks of whataboutism”

I’m pointing out that (a) when something new comes along, enthusiastic people are gonna enthuse and (b) if you’re bitching about some very mild pimping of Mastodon, you must be new to the internet.

Not whataboutism. It’s history. Maybe you’re too young to remember Twitter’s early days, or Livejournal’s start up.

I’m not, and your complaints are silly.

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Matthew Bennett says:

This is more gaslighting, it’s DOWN users

Showing the chart leading up to 2.6 million users is cool and all but that’s not the important bit, the important but is that they’re DOWN to 1.8 million users (as of early January, haven’t seen a stat since).

And yeah, buddy, “Active Users” is the important stat. Registered users basically never goes down, people just stop using a platform.

It failed to launch. Adoption doesn’t spike, fade, and then start rising again. It failed. It was more popular in November than it ever will be again. Those writers aren’t “lazy”; they’re right and you’re wrong.

Stop trying to make Mastodon happen, it’s never going to happen. (Really, provably).

Jesus fuck you’re desperate.

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Anathema Device (profile) says:

Re: Every accusations etc

“Jesus fuck you’re desperate”

Says the troll who lives to be flagged and blogged on a complete strangers blog because he is in thrall to a pimple-brained shitbird who has more money than sense.

Please do bugger off, there’s a good chap.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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I think it wounds you more, given how you lash out at someone who’s shittalking a man you don’t even personally know and will never give you the time of day. Parasocial relationships are even more fucked up when they’re totally one-way, you know.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

Re: Re: Re:2

Masnick’s mindless shit talking while pretending to be an “expert” somehow, without basis, really does anger me.

I never made any pretensions otherwise, but it’s nice to know that you get me. (I don’t particularly care about Musk beyond that he’s funny and is furthering my interests, however)

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Masnick’s mindless shit talking while pretending to be an “expert” somehow, without basis, really does anger me.

Why? Why lose your temper over one person your team continuously insists is a meaningless, uninfluential nobody who Musk is going to absolutely eviscerate?

The only reason why you’d have such a reaction is because you, indeed, fear that he commands more influence than you’d like, and Musk isn’t any closer to destroying this site like Shiva Ayyadurai was.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

wouldn’t care if he did

Apparently you do, because Musk getting insulted is the one thing you keep bitching about constantly.

I was kinda a fan once, 20 years ago

And then people realized you like people who regularly insult racial and sexual minorities and you started feeling insecure about it.

That’s… not really any skin off my nose.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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AD,

There was/were no insults intended, there was only a valid question, as evidenced by the scribblings of Bratty Matty. A logical conclusion, and then a valid offer, do not an insult make.

Besides, where did/does homophobia enter into the picture? Two (presumably) adults can enter into sexual congress if they so wish, no ‘fear’ or phobia need be considered when such happens.

Either that, or it’s all a matter of ‘twisted’ humor. In that case, please be advised that the sarcasm tag was inadvertently omitted.

Thanks.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:7

I personally perceive Toom 1275 to be the Zen-master of Techdirt’s comment section. Others here may or may not agree with my assessment.

It’s not that he *could* easily pin you to the mat, it’s that he *has* pinned you to the mat, and you don’t even recognize that fact. (Or if you do, your responses don’t give that impression.)

Your life would be much more pleasant were you to ask yourself one question: “Am I really accomplishing anything here in Techdirt’s comment section?” If you’re honest with yourself, a short introspection will lead you to realize that you’re in the minority here, and that the majority of us don’t particularly care for evangelists of any stripe. IOW, if you really wish to persuade us to come to your point of view, you’ll get more desirable results with honey than with lemons. Think about it.

* Evangelism is defined as proselytizing a belief that has no basis in reality. A belief is a holding (opinion) that one needs no facts that can be independently tested and verified in order get along in life. It has been noted by scholars of many fields that such states of mentality are not the ideal way to interact with a society at large, let alone on a one-to-one basis. Think about that, too.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

Re: Re:

Again:

Adoption doesn’t spike, fade, and then start rising again.

I mean, miracles could happen, I suppose, but they usually don’t. Once a platform has lost half the active users off it’s peak it’s done.

Nothing scientific but at least 95% of cases. Barring some giant investment and marketing push which obviously isn’t going to happen. (it’s not a commercial effort) Masnick and fellow MDS sufferers are the best they got, really.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Showing the chart leading up to 2.6 million users is cool and all but that’s not the important bit, the important but is that they’re DOWN to 1.8 million users (as of early January, haven’t seen a stat since).

So you can’t read? The 1.8 million is just Mastodon users. The chart Mike posted (which looks current as of today) is total fediverse users.

And yeah, buddy, “Active Users” is the important stat.

The chart above is active users.

Registered users basically never goes down, people just stop using a platform.

It’s not registered users. It literally shows “active last month.”

Next time, try reading before doing your usual shit.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

Re: Re:

So you can’t read? The 1.8 million is just Mastodon users. The chart Mike posted (which looks current as of today) is total fediverse users.

I can read, that’s part of the gaslighting (and perhaps picking up the goalposts). No one has heard of the other platforms, they’re irrelevant, Masnick is just making excuses.

The chart above is active users.

Yes, I know. Can you read? My point is it’s a misleadingly cropped chart and then his talking about total users was meaningless.

It’s not registered users. It literally shows “active last month.”

Seriously, can you read? I have my doubts.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

I can read, that’s part of the gaslighting (and perhaps picking up the goalposts). No one has heard of the other platforms, they’re irrelevant

They’re not irrelevant. They’re part of the wider fediverse. This is the issue that many people (apparently including you and the reporters) don’t seem to comprehend. The people using those other platforms are still communicating with people on Mastodon. I’m personally not on Mastodon, because I’m using Pleroma. But for all intents and purposes it’s the same. I follow people on Mastodon and mostly interact with them. The full fediverse number is the only ones that matter. It’s just that people who don’t understand how it works (you) only look at Mastodon. But, as someone else noted, that’s like looking just at Verizon and saying its numbers are the total US mobile phone market. It’s just fundamentally wrong.

My point is it’s a misleadingly cropped chart and then his talking about total users was meaningless.

The chart isn’t cropped. And he doesn’t talk about total users.

I’m again going to question whether or not you can actually read.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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I am 0% afraid of Mastodon.

If you are 0% afraid of Mastodon, then why do you keep demanding that Mike quit writing about Mastodon?

Seriously, if you don’t think Techdirt has a large readership, then why waste your time telling the owner to quit writing about it, it’s not like it really matters now does it?

Or, you know that Mike is correct and since you can’t stand anybody criticizing your wanna be lover Musk, you have to lash out so you can keep telling yourself that Musk will one day let you touch it.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Lets assume your correct for just a moment and mastodon is “not happening” (what ever that means).

Why are you here raving at people who are wrong (and according to you “have not reach”). Why does it seem to just get your goat that they might dare to be “wrong on the internet”?

There are lots of people who are wrong on the internet.

And back in the real world: It’s ironic that you repeat the very same arguments that… the article debunks.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: Re:

An honesty person isn’t going to constantly tell you how honest they are.

A confident person isn’t going to constantly feel the need to remind you how confident they are.

And someone sure that a platform is going to fail wouldn’t feel the need to repeatedly tell people to stop talking about it and stop pointing out when it’s doing just fine.

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nasch (profile) says:

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Showing the chart leading up to 2.6 million users is cool and all but that’s not the important bit, the important but is that they’re DOWN to 1.8 million users (as of early January, haven’t seen a stat since).

Credit where credit is due. You’re right, the important part is that Mastodon has grown from 600,000 to 1.8 million users in three months. Though I don’t think that’s quite the point that you think it is.

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mick says:

Mastodon taught me a lesson

I joined, followed a ton of reporters and news site (since I generally used Twitter for news), and was endlessly regaled by people (including Masnick) doing nothing but bitching about Twitter and Musk. Meanwhile, my goal was to get away from Musk.

I just checked my Mastodon account for the first time this week, and literally 5 minutes ago (and again 30 seconds ago!) Masnick posted some inane Twitter comment.

If the fediverse ever becomes about something other than “lol twitter sucks!!1!” maybe it’ll be worth something. But so far the whole ordeal taught me one very important thing: I don’t really need any sort of social media in my life.

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Anathema Device (profile) says:

Mastodon is great

I’m having a wonderful time at Mastodon. My stress levels are much lower since I ditched Twitter completely, even though last year the prospect of losing it sent me into a serious depressive spiral. That was because there was no obvious replacement.

Now there is. Social media is important to me and a vital way to combat isolation. There really are as diverse a range of people to follow on Mastodon as there are on Twitter, with far fewer of them there to drive engagement with their blogs, TV appearances, or books, or to sell something. Follow freely, mute liberally, reboost joyfully and often.

If I can manage to build a nice happy niche for myself there, anyone can 😉

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That One Guy (profile) says:

I’m curious if the same people saying Mastodon is experiencing a slump are applying that same standard to Twitter because if ‘a bunch of people tried it out and not all of them stuck with it’ counts as a failure how much worse is the platform that’s being run so badly that it pushed them to even try an alternative?

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

How to tell when someone is intentionally dishonest, they pretend African American encompasses anyone who lived in Africa and then moved to the US.

How are they dishonest you ask? Well, African American denotes someone belonging to an ethnic group of Black African descent. It’s sometimes also used to refer to descendants of other non-white ethnic groups that exists in Africa.

Drew Wilson (user link) says:

I Like Mastodon

I’ve been enjoying Mastodon quite a bit. The performance alone is a massive improvement over Twitter. Just today, Twitter has been kicking out error messages just to load a few feeds. Mastodon hasn’t had so much as a 404 error message that I’ve seen all year this year so far.

Plus, my follower count for my site’s official account on Mastodon has been higher than on Twitter for quite a while now.

I honestly prefer interacting on Mastodon over Twitter at this point. So much less spam and hate mongering.

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Nemo_bis (profile) says:

Transparency and confusing activity statistics

The nonsense reporting stems from the confusing definition of (monthly) active users in Mastodon. It could have been excused last year, but nowadays
https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/discussions/18920

If Mastodon (the software and the promotional website) had instead promoted the daily active users, the figure would probably have jumped up and down for a while and this confusion would probably have been averted. Instead it went up monotonically for 30 days during the peak and then obviously went down for a while as a portion of the new users didn’t login for 30 days (as it happens).

This actually proves that Mastodon and the fediverse are better and healthier than the proprietary services, where any activity statistics are carefully massaged before being made public in order to create a sense of momentum that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Anonymous Coward says:

some people just ... left

This “Mastodon is losing people” argument only seems relevant if those people are going back to Twitter (otherwise, by definition, they’re not Twitter users and hence not helping Elon make $$).

But after all the bullshit at Musk’s Twitter, many of just realized … “I don’t need ANY of this” and we just left it all behind. No Twitter. No Mastodon. No Tribel. I’ll just go read a book or whatever.

That’s still a loss for Twitter (and a loss that was caused by Elon).

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