I Still Hope Twitter Succeeds
from the but-i-have-a-sinking-feeling dept
The last few weeks of Elon craziness regarding Twitter has been kind of shocking in all sorts of ways. We knew, going in, that he didn’t appear to understand the challenges of running a social media website. His statements regarding free speech suggested that he really didn’t understand that concept either. But, every time I point this stuff out, people (often on Twitter) start yelling at me that I’m being unfair to him, not giving him a chance, or they say I’m “jealous” (of what?!?) and that we just needed to let him do his thing.
Well.
We’re seeing that now. And… it’s been a mess. Casey Newton’s latest Platformer is almost shocking in how dysfunctional Twitter currently is under Musk. Lots of people are focusing on the headline of the article, in which Musk and his trusty (but equally clueless) team of close advisors tossed around the idea of putting Twitter behind a paywall (you could use it for free for a certain amount of time, and would then need to pay). That idea would destroy the site even more, but whatever. The more interesting bits are just the crazy chaos.
The layoff process has been a disaster to the point that Twitter is now begging some of the people they laid off to come back (from what I’ve heard, it’s not working very well):
Some teams were cut more than others; several were wiped out entirely. As it turned out, though, the company went too far. As I was the first to report on Saturday, within hours of the layoffs, some managers were already being told to ask select laid-off employees if they wanted their old jobs back.
It began as a rumor on Blind, the app where employees of various companies can chat anonymously with their coworkers. But within a day it was being posted in public Slack channels.
“Sorry to @- everybody on the weekend but I wanted to pass along that we have the opportunity to ask folks that were left off if they will come back. I need to put together names and rationales by 4 PM PST on Sunday,” one such message from a manager to employees read. “I’ll do some research but if any of you have been in contact with folks who might come back and who we think will help us, please nominate before 4.”
Then, they screwed up the rollout of the key feature that Musk insisted was necessary to pay the bills. A new version of the Twitter Blue subscription plan, that he’s confusingly merged with the verification system, but without the verification (whatever, the details don’t seem to matter much to him, so I’m not going to explain them much better than that). Apparently, so far, that’s going just great as well.
The company rolled out a new version of the app on Saturday with release notes that said the new Blue was now available. (The copy, written by Calacanis, was widely derided for sounding like a phishing email.) The problem is that Blue was not available, and so those who did subscribe found that they had merely gotten access to the current version of Blue.
Then, after a debate about the potential effects of unleashing thousands of new verified accounts onto the platforms in the middle of the US midterm elections, the company postponed the launch.
And, even then, it turns out that the economics of the new Twitter Blue, which, again, is Elon’s baby, don’t… actually add up.
But the new Blue likely faces larger problems. The existing version only had a little more than 100,000 active subscribers, Platformer has learned. The new version will be 37.5 percent more expensive, and its value seems murky for most regular users of the platform. It’s unclear how the company will persuade enough people to subscribe to justify the effort.
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Other employees have warned about a secondary feature of the new Blue that Musk added at the last minute: reducing ad load in the Twitter app by half. Estimates showed that Twitter will lose about $6 in ad revenue per user in the United States by making that change, sources said. Factoring in Apple and Google’s share of the $8 monthly subscription, Twitter would likely lose money on Blue if the ad-light plan is enacted.
For what it’s worth, I’ve got fairly decent information suggesting that the loss is actually more than $6. Of course, what that likely means is that Musk’s promise that Twitter Blue subscribers will get “half the ads” is bullshit. He’s going to need to keep the ad rate up higher.
And, yes, Elon is now trying to claim that users are up under his leadership, but (1) it’s funny that he’s using the same mDAU stat that his own lawsuit mocked as fake and made up and (2) it’s extremely unclear if that matters if all the advertisers bail on the site (and given the initial users Elon attracted, it seems like advertisers might stay away).
Anyway, there certainly are many people who are looking at all of this and laughing. There’s a certain schadenfreude in watching the world’s richest man, who insisted he knew better, show that… maybe he doesn’t (though he can’t seem to admit that).
And this is leading some to accuse anyone who is pointing all this out of “wanting Elon to fail.” Again, I know that’s true of some people. But I doubt it’s the view of most. In my case, I really, really want him to succeed. I’ve written multiple posts explaining how Elon could actually be good for Twitter. Twitter, historically, has had trouble adapting with the times, rolling out new and useful features, and getting pulled in all sorts of short-term focused directions by a board that was upset that the company wasn’t making as much money as others in the space. A singular focus and no Wall St. pressure could do wonders. If that focus were based in reality. And, right now it looks like Elon traded the pressure of quarterly reporting… for the pressure of having to pay off the interest on $13 billion in loans. Not great.
But, Twitter still strikes me (as Elon claimed it did to him) as an extremely important platform regarding the public discourse. I’d like to see the site survive, certainly, but thrive would be even better. I don’t care if I’m proven wrong in my predictions, because predictions are there to be proven wrong. Having the site thrive would be even better.
The problem is that Musk seems to be driving the thing off a cliff with surprising speed. His freak-outs over impersonation (which just demonstrate his hypocrisy on the speech issues) are not helping. His similar freak-outs over advertisers bailing (rapidly) are equally distracting and problematic. I wrote the post about Elon speedrunning the content moderation learning curve in hopes that, you know, he might actually do the speedrun and realize that he inherited a system that was actually working quite well already, and the drastic changes he’s discussed and keeps threatening (but not implementing yet) are going to create more problems than they solve.
No one is arguing that he can’t do whatever he wants with the site. He bought it. He can break it. But all of the chaos and nonsense and the simple refusal to understand what makes Twitter work for people who are not billionaires with a deep-seeded need to be adored, is a problem. I don’t want him to fail. I want him to stop messing things up and to make Twitter better, not worse.
So far, he’s done the opposite, and it’s not… looking good.
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Comments on “I Still Hope Twitter Succeeds”
And then there are the people who require a constant drip feed of small animal pictures that most other sides either don’t have (Mastodon’s instances) or don’t bother to try to promote (Facebook).
And the journalists. And the actual free speech advocates who aren’t rich, hyperprivileged WHITE SOUTH AFRICANS used to having everything going right for them to the point that they forgot their post-apartheid past. And struggling artists who promote on Twitter. And so on.
He probably doesn’t care that he’s hurting millions of people. I bet he thinks they all should go get “real” jobs or something once the AI takeover is complete and their jobs are replaced by AI generation (which isn’t gonna happen anytime soon, even WITH quantum computing).
One of the things I am waiting to happen, is for their network / server infrastructure to start shitting the can.
I’ve read all sorts of horror stories (don’t know if true or not, but appear to be valid from a cursory overview) from ex-Twitter employees who manage the different parts of the infrastructure basically stating that their systems needs constant care and feeding to maintain reliability, but entire teams that would manage their infrastructure have been laid off.
Once their network starts failing, that’s when we’ll see the mass exodus from Twitter, far surpassing what has been currently happening.
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An interesting article on that: https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/11/08/1062886/heres-how-a-twitter-engineer-says-it-will-break-in-the-coming-weeks/
Re: Re: Exponential collapse
One problem today, two problems tomorrow, four problems the day after that and so on, all of which a handful of people have to manage and scramble to keep on top of with the worry that if they don’t succeed well enough they’ll get canned just like their former co-workers.
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Hate to say it, Mike, but for once I have to heartily disagree with one of your core assertions.
When Musk cast his eyes on Twitter that was it. The fat lady sang. The daisies were pushed up. The grieving family assembled at the bedside waiting for a somber doctor to disconnect life support.
Because although you could argue that Musk is a mixed bag of a few good things (pioneering EV’s, for instance), putting him in charge of a social network was always going to be like putting Edison in charge of a sensitivity training course or Dahmer in charge of a class on human rights.
The man just does not grok communication except as it pertains to him giving unreasonable orders to staff and getting butthurt when his blurbs catch fire in the social sphere.
I expect to see a few twitter clones beginning to fight for the social media throne within the next few years – and sadly expect Gab and Weibo showing up among the contenders…
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Based on every article I see, I don’t think it’s too early to expect Mastodon will be Twitter’s successor before Twitter is entirely dead. It probably already is at this point, without being visible as such.
Of course, that may be Mastodon’s undoing in turn. And then another contender climbs atop the radioactive wasteland that’s social media mountain to die and spread irradiated rot across the internet. Huzzah.
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Not Your Recipe
I remember similar “chaos and dysfunction” adjectives being used four years ago to describe the White House by its detractors. Meanwhile, its supporters saw those same activities as beneficial policy outcomes. If you watch a chef bake a chocolate cake, and it looks like he’s doing it all wrong, except that the chef wasn’t listening to you and he’s actually making cinnamon rolls… yeah, that’s going to look like chaos. But only to you.
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And rightfully so.
The Trump White House was utter chaos for his entire stint in office.
And even out of office it’s chaos… To wit: his handling of sensitive documents, documents that belong to NARA, and please explain why he would have classified folders missing the documents that are actually classified.
(and if you say that he mind-declassified them, that just proves that you have consumed the kool-aid, are wearing the tin-foil hat and probably have Q tattooed on your ass.
Oh and you are addicted to the Trump taint odor.)
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But, if I ask a chef to bake a cake and he makes cinnamon roles, I fire the chef.
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I remember similar “chaos and dysfunction” adjectives being used just months ago to describe the White House by the people that actually worked there. Keep wishing it wasn’t as bad as we all know it was.
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Except for the part where he claimed he was going to make chocolate cake, the recipe for chocolate cake is very simple and has been right in front of him (ignored) the whole time, what he’s actually making is merde á la mode, and you only think there’s cinnamon rolls involved anywhere because of what you just smoked.
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“I remember similar “chaos and dysfunction” adjectives being used four years ago to describe the White House by its detractors”
I’m still awaiting evidence that this wasn’t true. We seem to have had a slow drip of people coming out to tell their stories of what happened in that period, but no positive corrections. Not surprising, given the criminal con artist man baby in office at the time, but the descriptions seem to be apt.
“If you watch a chef bake a chocolate cake, and it looks like he’s doing it all wrong, except that the chef wasn’t listening to you and he’s actually making cinnamon rolls… yeah, that’s going to look like chaos. But only to you.”
What did you order? If you wanted a cake, he still screwed it up even if he baked the most perfect rolls.
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“Mind declassification” means he had the power to declassify them so the act of removing them declassified them (his wording was poor).
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As with other forms of telepathy, there’s no proof that Presidential telepathy exists.
And it doesn’t take James Randi to figure that out.
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“the act of removing them declassified them”
…which under any other administration involved a paper trail. Provide the executive order where he removed the requirement for such paperwork, or the documents where he ordered the declassification. Most people are quite reasonable, we just don’t consider psychic classification to be a thing.
For a bunch of people who lost their shit over the potential for Clinton’s emails to have been leaked, you guys sure seem to be quite chilled over literal felony removal of classified documents just because your guy said it didn’t matter.
Re: Re: 'What' doesn't matter, only 'what political affiliation'
Hilary might have classified documents on her private email server: ‘Lock her up, lock her up!’
Trump has piles of classified documents at his golf course: ‘The libs are freaking out over nothing, he thought ‘declassify’ so there’s nothing wrong with him having all of those.’
Step one: Realize and admit when YOU are the problem
From the sounds of it while it might not be impossible to stop the site from burning down the first step of that will require Musk to admit that he screwed up and that all the derision aimed at moderators and those that have that as their job was grossly unfair because it turns out those people actually did/do know what they were talking about.
If he can set aside his ego and admit that he was dead wrong about moderation then it might be possible to salvage the site, though it’s going to be a seriously uphill battle convincing the people who were canned or left to come back and it’s going to get a lot of Very Fine People angry with him.
If he can’t set aside his ego… break out the hotdogs and smores kits because the place is likely to go down in flames and there’s not much else anyone else can do at that point but enjoy the spectacle.
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Even if he did a complete 180 and publicly admitted he screwed everything up, nothing will bring back most of the canned staff, and it will take too long to regain that expertise through new hires. Users and advertisers won’t wait. It might takes months to die or it might limp on for a few years, but I wouldn’t bet a single dollar on it getting back to where it was. Time to move on to the next thing.
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Yeah he really is his own worst enemy here. With his opening salvo to fire a bunch of people and give others a ‘do the impossible in a week or be fired’ ultimatum someone would have to be really desperate to go back to work for him, as that strikes me as a very high-stress job where you’d be one tantrum away from being canned again.
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It’s not like we don’t have a very public record of what it can be like to work for him at Tesla to predict how he’ll run Twitter.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jun/13/tesla-workers-pay-price-elon-musk-failed-promises
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-temper-rage-tesla-book-power-play-meetings-employees-2021-8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Tesla,_Inc.#Musk's_work_behavior
Jeez that Wiki page is an eye-opener…
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I found it interesting to look at the Blind pages for his companies. And then compare them to other companies in the same industries.
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..and when he fails to do that and numbers keep dropping he’ll throw a hail Mary and let Trump back the platform! Then he can introduce ‘Twitter-red’, MAGA VERIFIED for only $49.99 p/m
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CALLED IT! :/
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Three days in the future, it keeps being that way. This is a painfully predictable trajectory and requires some real tunnel vision on his part I guess.
Well, you know...
a very stable genius and all…
Just saying.
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Elon is being “Good Elon” and “Bad Elon” (a classic abuser pattern) and it is going to bankrupt twitter in 2023. The advertisers who paid the bills aren’t coming back unless Elon fires himself. Elon has no idea how isolated he is in his sycophant bubble; he proceeded to block the most important spokesman for his advertisers who pay twitter’s bills.
What was wrong with pre-Elon twitter was insufficiently rich feedback from the crowd for effective moderation. That is, remember the mDAU audits where they went through samples with humans to figure out if users were correctly classified as monetizable, and were running about 95% accurate?
You could classify users feedback for accuracy the same way…so you’d generally have not only reports, but also reputation scores for those doing the reporting. And you could certainly have more nuance (checkboxes) in the user reporting checkboxes. They probably could have done that last year…if not for Elon.
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I don’t know if you (or anyone) wants to subject yourself to the transcript of his first meeting with employees (over on The Verge), but it was pretty clear that even in the areas where he had relevant experience it was irrelevant at best and generally decades out of date.
He seems to be retreating into that same past like a turtle into its shelf, given that it sounds like his plan for Twitter is simply to make it his dream version of PayPal. The version of PayPal full of weird features on the roadmap that were never ever even being close to implemented. On the daily he continues to demonstrate ignorance of Twitter that a casual user should have already had.
It’s almost like the only tweets he cared about were his own and those of people disagreeing with him that had a loud enough platform he’d hear about it from someone he knows literally in person. He is an old man demanding in person meetings while running a social media company and failing to see the irony of that. And now that he’s got a bit of an education on how ignorant he’s been, he’s rebelling against by trying to gut Twitter and become an online bank that also does social media and video on the side.
What he doesn’t do is give concrete and useful answers; and it’s no wonder why his employees keep leaving. I’m wondering what kind of deathwish the ones who are staying on have, because continuing to work there sounds like a short path to self-annihilation. Is it like the Twitter doomers who want to wreck Twitter’s value like Tumblr’s supposedly was?
Those are the brave souls I have fond wishes for. Not for anyone who gives a shit about Twitter at this point, because it was a cesspool of hate well before the offer was even tendered. That’s why it appeals to a gaslighting turd like Musk. It’s not worth the stench or the resulting tears, there’s fresh air elsewhere.
Dear Elon
“The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common: They don’t alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views—-Which can be uncomfortable if you’re one of the facts that needs changing.
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hell yeah, Fourth Doctor
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The Left's whipping boy is getting vindictive
https://www.semafor.com/article/11/04/2022/list-of-companies-pausing-twitter-ads (Not the best source) listed the Corporations that are pausing Twitter ads as of Friday:
Volkswagen (Largest TSLA competitor, blocking the Berlin Gigafactory)
General Mills (Junk food like Cheerios, Lucky Charms, Trix, Cocoa Puffs and Count Chocula & Musk has 8-10 children)
Pfizer ( 4,300 volunteers all of whom were employees at Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX) that were followed from April 2020, including SARS-CoV-2 receptor-binding domain (RBD) antibody testing, and detailed symptomatology See https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-21336-8 ) General Motors (Who Killed the Electric Car?), Mondelez International (Junk food like Oreo and Ritz).
Non-Sequitur: November 2, 2022;
https://www.niemanlab.org/2022/11/npr-launches-a-paid-podcast-bundle-hoping-to-convert-a-national-audience-into-local-donors/ @ $8/month or $96 a year
Meanwhile as the fire in the dumpster grows, Elon & Jack are fighting over Birdwatch/Community Notes
(insert the bugs & daffy gif in your mind here).
Sorry all I hear is: “this is a great time to start up a new social media site of a certain type. A growing hole in the supply, and a growing supply up talent looking for jobs”
Too bad I’m neither an investor, nor an entrepreneur.
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People are leaving for Mastodon, which already exists.
since this post, Bloomburg has stated that it will NOT reimburse it’s reporters and staff for Twitter blue…
If BLOOMBURG isn’t going along with this debacle, how many other companies are not either?
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Source:
https://twitter.com/maxwelltani/status/1590003946843942912
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Oof.
‘Yeah you can get it, but we consider it so useless and lacking in any sort of worth to your job that we won’t reimburse you for it so the price will be entirely on you.’
All I'll say is this:
Mike Masnick, you are indeed a better man than I for not wishing any ill will on Elon Musk (and so many other reasons).
Future of twitter? …crash & burn… just like so many of his Tesla vehicles on Full Self Driving mode.
One day, the old god retired to beachfront property in the Divine Realm. He sold his old universe for 44 billion divine coins to a new god, Divine Musk.
Divine Musk immediately fired all of the angels running the universe, without really understanding what they did. And everything went into chaos.
That is why the universe you live in is the way it is.
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Nah, the apocalypse would have come and gone millions if not billions of years ago already and there would be no life in the universe by now.
Just dead barren rocks, though still a more exciting place that Elon Musk’s brain.
Elon succeeds, Elon fails, either way I’m covered.
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“I Still Hope Twitter Succeeds”
Well, that makes two of you.
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I have a more pessimistic view – the claim isn’t bullshit. Twitter will just start serving the plebs twice the ads. He doesn’t say “half the ads you see now”, just “half the ads of non-Blue”. The only thing that remains to be seen is if these ads are for anything other than crypto-spam and shitty pillows.
I was really, really hoping the sale would go wrong and Musk only had to pay some fine and move on. Now it seems the only way to enjoy Twitter as it was pre-Musk is to hope Dorsey will actually start another Twitter with another name.
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You mean Bluesky?
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Dorsey is too busy trying to look innocently naive by throwing himself under the bus for the an he trusts to… something about the ‘light of human consciousness’ or somesuch other Yogic Flyer businessman nonsense.
Somewhere several tabs of knock-off acid (or million-dollar spiritual retreats if he’s straight-edge) ago, I guess Dorsey forget that a half-assed mea culpa often looks even worse than failing to admit you’re wrong at all. And he didn’t admit to being wrong about the big stuff, which means he’s as ill-suited to making a ‘new Twitter’ as his other longtermist cosmic consciousness bros.
Does anyone actually think Bluesky will be worth using or do people realize that it’s already obsolete?
shareholder interest v. stakeholder interest?
Twitter’s legal department served their ownership extremely well by locking Musk into an expensive buyout before he had time for second thoughts. But others who cared about the company might have wished that Musk was given a way out (even though an expensive one) once it was clear he had lost all enthusiasm for the deal.
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It comes down to the board’s legal requirement to maximise benefits to shareholders, who were never going to make more money from Twitter than this deal.
Re: Re: Killing the golden goose works great if all you care about it today
If the only thing they care about and take into consideration is how much they are making now then sure, but in any long term outlook it’s certainly looking like the sale was/is the worst thing they could have done for those shareholders.
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Not convinced. The newspaper reports say that Twitter lost money nearly every year. That was before it had to service the $13B debt tht Musk incurred in buying it.
If the juice is about $1B/year, and the net income before debt service and taxes was negative, then you need one of two things:
1. a real plan to turn things around
2. some rich sucker to buy you out
I see no evidence of a real plan to turn things around. I do see some rich sucker who paid substantially more per share than the business was worth according to the share price on the market.
The former Twitter board did well for their shareholders, getting them more than the market value of their shares and delivering cash in hand rather than some dim future prospect of dividends if the business ever became profitable. I presume those investors can turn around and buy stock in the next big thing.
On the other hand, Musk paying $44B (or $31B plus borrowed money) for a company driving straight for bankruptcy might not have been a good plan for him. Fortunately, that is neither the former Twitter board’s problem, nor the former stockholders’ problem.
Twitter does nothing of importance
What we really need is someone to innovate news on the internet/on streaming, that doesn’t rely on the Twitter hellscape. Cable and broadcast are dying, being replaced by Apple, Netflix, Disney, Amazon…where’s the news? They are avoiding it like the proverbial plague.
Twitter was never going to deliver free speech. It’s ad-based and the last thing advertisers want is free speech that puts Nazi rants next to ads for their fine products.
If you charge people, that’s not free speech either. People are like advertisers, if they pay money, the expect to be catered to. People might pay for the right to never see opinions they detest. They’re not going to be any happier with the Nazi rants than advertisers unless they are actual Nazis, in which case, their curated experience is, only Nazi rants.
People won’t pay for free speech. They’ll pay for an experience they can control to suit them. If Twitter wants to evolve or devolve into a subscription service that offers that, then who knows, a miracle could still happen I suppose, but it won’t be free speech and it won’t be a town square. It will just be taking people’s money to give them the BS they want.
But Elon can’t pay a billion dollars a year to service the debt so Twitter is doomed.
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I see you think that free speech means somebody else should pay the bills. That is not free speech, that is parasitism.
I don’t.
I hope Elon runs it into the ground. Then sets fire to it. Then sets fire to the ashes.
Fuck Twitter.
Agreed...
I still hope Twitter succeeds too; just at lasting only long enough to bankrupt their new techbro CEO-wner.
The best outcome as that Twitter’s new owner doesn’t ever lose confidence in his bad decisions, continues to double down by selling stock to fund those bad decisions, and ends up a forgotten pauper that the rest of his relatives (besides his daughter) have disowned.
Hopefully he’ll have divested enough from the one company of his that actually does something worthwhile so Gwynne Shotwell can ensure that one company actually continues to do useful things. They still might end up needing a DOD bailout though. And if they don’t make it, some other space startup will just do it better. NBD.
This is a good article. Please do more of these. And drop Karl Bode. That bigot once sent me a profane note making fun of my disability. This bigot should not be a journalist.