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• On the post: Lawsuit Says Hudson County Jail Recorded Calls With Attorneys, Gave This Info To Prosecutors

  

  davec ( profile ), 18 Jan, 2024 @ 11:44am

  Wait, which fact? The fact that you’ve concluded something without evidence?

  No, Tim didn’t explain what notified the prison or the prosecutors that they were overhearing a client attorney conversation. GTL recorded the call because they record all calls. GTL gave it to the detective. The detective gave it to the prosecutor. The prosecutor gave it to the defense attorney. If you want a private attorney client conversation, you must either schedule a video conversation or an actual visitation. It is the attorney’s responsibility to know that. Attorney Visit - Hudson County (hcnj.us) https://www.hcnj.us/corrections/attorney-visit/

  Even if an attorney-client conversation were recorded because a suspect failed to notify the appropriate party not to record it, it would still be unconstitutional to use that recording against them, regardless of how the recording came to exist. And further, it would continue to be unconstitutional for a prison official to convey that recording to a prosecutor, who is not a party to the conversation nor constitutionally entitled to its contents. You’re still wrong even if you think you’re right about a point you’ve assumed.

  It doesn’t say that the conversation was used against Mr. Kidwai in court or even if the conversation made it to court.

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  davec ( profile ), 18 Jan, 2024 @ 11:04am

  That’s what LUDs are for. One look at the number Kidwai called would’ve told the prosecutors that Kidwai was talking to an attorney.

  All phone calls to the Hudson County jail are handled by a company called GTL and you have to have an account to talk to an inmate. When you sign up, this is on their website. Things you need to understand about Inmate Phone Calling • Phones are the only way for an inmate to hear your voice and temporarily 'escape' the loneliness of incarceration, so use your time well. Arguing about anything will leave you both feeling empty and guilty, so avoid it at all costs. • All phone conversations are recorded. Whatever either of you say can and will be used against your inmate in court. • Never discuss their pending criminal case! Even if you and your inmate believe that your 'coded' coversation will not be understood, or if you speak in another language thinking the jail staff will not understand, don't do it. The staff that monitors your recorded calls has heard it all... you are not fooling them... and you may find your conversation being used as evidence in their case... or even yours! • Also, be warned that some phone providers are collecting voice prints for a database which law enforcement agencies are building. Hudson County Adult Correctional Center, NJ Inmate Phone (jailexchange.com) https://www.jailexchange.com/city-and-county-jails/new-jersey/hudson-county/hudson-county-adult-correctional-center/inmate-phone-contact The mechanism for determining an attorney /client communication is--- Apparently, the only way to talk to your attorney is either through a visitation or a video call which have to be scheduled ahead of time. To answer your next question, no they are not monitored. Any and all attorneys would know this. Attorney Visit - Hudson County (hcnj.us) https://www.hcnj.us/corrections/attorney-visit/ If you want to contend that GTL listened in on a video call or somehow monitored a visitation, that is another issue.

• On the post: Ohio Court Says Calling Cincinnati Police Officer Ryan Olthaus A Racist Is Protected Speech

  

  davec ( profile ), 18 Jan, 2024 @ 09:36am

  Goddamn, you really are upset at someone so much as even implying that you could be even the slightest bit racist.

  I wonder if Jesus was upset about being called a racist?

  Please seek help.

  Arguing against viewpoints I disagree with helps me. Hiding viewpoints that I disagree with doesn’t. You should stop your book burning and open up your mind.

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  davec ( profile ), 18 Jan, 2024 @ 09:18am

  Tell that to the racists and white supremacists who use it. What you fail to take into consideration is that most racist and white supremacists aren’t big on brain-power, so them understanding that the origin of the sign was a prank doesn’t actually follow.

  So the people who aren’t white supremist started using the Okay hand gesture as a prank to somehow out real white supremist?

  That also means when they now use it, it’s not a prank anymore which seems to be something that eludes you.

  That’s brilliant! But the question now is--when who uses it? We know the people who aren’t white supremist are using it and now the people that are white supremist are using it. People who haven’t a clue of any racial meaning are using it. So, you have at the very least tripled the number of white supremist. They've made the OK hand gesture so terrifying that the ADL has listed it as a symbol of hate. Is that what you consider brain-power? The 'OK' Hand Gesture Is Now Listed As A Symbol Of Hate : NPR https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/764728163/the-ok-hand-gesture-is-now-listed-as-a-symbol-of-hate On Thursday, the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish civil rights organization, added 36 symbols to its "Hate on Display" database including the index finger-to-thumb sign that in some corners of the Internet has become associated with white supremacy and the far right.

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  davec ( profile ), 18 Jan, 2024 @ 08:40am

  The whole ok being a racist white power symbol is completely bogus, I cant believe that the 4chan propaganda campaign succeeded to this day. Anyone that actually believes it is super gullible.

  It seems to have fooled the ADL. Oren Segal, director of the ADL's Center on Extremism, told NPR that for years on fringe online message boards such as 4chan and 8chan, the "OK" sign has been deployed in memes and other images promoting hate. Given the number of white supremacists who have adopted it, he said it can now carry a nefarious message. The 'OK' Hand Gesture Is Now Listed As A Symbol Of Hate : NPR https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/764728163/the-ok-hand-gesture-is-now-listed-as-a-symbol-of-hate

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  davec ( profile ), 17 Jan, 2024 @ 04:46pm

  Dude, you’ve been arguing that people think apples⁠—not tech devices, but actual non-sentient fruits⁠—are racist. You need help.

  I have been arguing that people have LINKED everything to racism. I will confess that I have googled is [noun] racist to find something that hasn’t been linked to racism. As yet I haven’t found it. Maybe never will so I generally take the best headline and paste the link. The fact that I can ask such an absurd question as “are birds racist” and get hundreds of responses like this just shows how abscessed with race we are. Los Angeles birds are racist, apparently - Washington Examiner https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2582449/los-angeles-birds-are-racist-apparently/ From the article in case you don't want to follow the link. Left-wing media will do whatever it possibly can to find racism in anything. If a news story can provide some negative viewpoint, the Left will try to find a way to tie it with racism. The Los Angeles Times proved this point last week by claiming that the presence of birds in specific neighborhoods was, essentially, due to systemic racism. Redlining and income inequality influence L.A.'s bird biodiversity - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com) https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2023-10-11/historic-redlining-bird-biodiversity

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  davec ( profile ), 17 Jan, 2024 @ 04:07pm

  But apparently you think about it enough to constantly bitch about it.

  I bitch about people making everything about race. If you are an Anonymous Chickenshit, it's not because of your race.

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  davec ( profile ), 17 Jan, 2024 @ 03:45pm

  And yet, here you are, posting the first links you can find on Google searches of “is [noun] racist” (without taking the time to actually read the content of those links) all so you can proclaim how not-mad you are about being called a racist.

  At some point someone made a claim or asked a question linking whatever to racism and someone felt the need to write an article about it. Whether that article attempted to prove, disprove, satirize, or just analyze the issue, hundreds of articles were written. Did I read all of them—no. Will you read them all—no. Frankly I'm surprised you read the ones I posted.

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  davec ( profile ), 17 Jan, 2024 @ 03:37pm

  You care so fucking badly, we can taste it. If you didn’t, you wouldn’t lie about the links you’re posting. All of us can read, and we all know that nobody is calling apple pie, dogs, or God racist. If you actually read them, you’d see that as well.

  Lets take them one at a time. God is a White Racist Black theology wasn’t embraced by the mainstream black church, and it was considered seditious, possibly heretical by white theologians. Secularists thought it was an incomplete rehash of Marxism. In the ’70s, one man, William R. Jones, took the radicalism of black theology to a faith impasse. Jones’s book Is God a White Racist? suggested a negative approach to theology, an analysis of God as if he were man. “Until the alleged negative elements are appropriately reconciled with the alleged benevolence of God,” Jones wrote, “His goodness remains an open question.” There is an endlessly useful concept within, which Jones calls “divine racism.” The idea is that the benevolence or the wrath of God corresponds to ethnic lines in America. And in turn, an ethnic God practices tribalism. “Ethnic suffering does not strike quickly and then leave after a short and terrible siege,” he wrote. “Instead, it extends over long historical eras.” Jesus was a racist Why Do Some People Think Jesus Was a Racist? | Christianity Today https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/july-august/jesus-racism-syrophoenician-woman-bread-dogs.html Every few months, it seems, a new article pops up claiming that Jesus was racist. The claim is based on the story of Jesus healing the daughter of a Syrophoenician woman (Matt. 15:21–28; Mark 7:24–30). When the woman asks Jesus to heal her demon-possessed daughter, he says, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” The woman responds, “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table,” at which point Jesus commends her faith and heals her daughter instantly. Until now, the argument goes, Jesus has been racist, dismissing foreign people as “dogs.” Supposedly, this encounter shows him the error of his ways. Dogs are racist Systemic Racism In The Dog Community - K9 Turbo Training https://k9turbotraining.com/systemic-racism-in-the-dog-community/ Reframing “Can Dogs Be Racist” Into a More Scientific Conversation – An Interview (youtube.com) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edeBHO3ZyTA Apples racist? If you exclude a thousand articles about Apple or the term “As American as Apple Pie” being racist then there are a few stories about the term Apple being racist like Oreo, and coconut. Apple: (Skin to the Core) by Eric Gansworth / Birchark Books & Native Arts – Birchbark Books https://birchbarkbooks.com/products/apple-skin-to-the-core Eric Gansworth is telling his story in Apple (Skin to the Core). The story of his family, of Onondaga among Tuscaroras, of Native folks everywhere. From the horrible legacy of the government boarding schools, to a boy watching his siblings leave and return and leave again, to a young man fighting to be an artist who balances multiple worlds. Eric shatters that slur and reclaims it in verse and prose and imagery that truly lives up to the word heartbreaking. Let me know if you can find something not linked to race.

  I’m going to ask you a question. If I called you a pig, would that mean that pigs now hate cops?

  WTF? If you called me a lily-white pig that would probably be racist. Or if you referred to "pigs with guns" would indicate you hate cops. Why? Because someone made the connection between cops and pigs. If you said elks with guns there would be no connection to cops. A Brief History of the Word Pig as Slang for Police — NOISE (noiseomaha.com) https://www.noiseomaha.com/resources/2021/7/1/a-brief-history-of-the-word-pig-as-slang-for-police

  Or that everyone that uses the word hates cops?

  Not everyone, but often the link is clear. Flashback: Al Sharpton Screaming At A Crowd To 'Off The Pigs' And 'Crackers' (congress.gov) https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/109952/documents/HHRG-116-JU00-20190919-SD026.pdf

  Because that’s what you’re arguing. That pigs hate cops. Which is, I hope you can see, in-fucking-sane.

  That is not what I'm arguing but it differently sounds insane.

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  davec ( profile ), 17 Jan, 2024 @ 08:31am

  Oh, that one certainly is. He gets angry because countries exist where men don’t kiss men on the mouth in public.

  It still doesn’t make you not a complete sack of shit though. You and Stephan should have a sidebar.

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  davec ( profile ), 16 Jan, 2024 @ 05:18pm

  I see you still have no idea what bookburning actually is.

  It involves not letting others see what was written.

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  davec ( profile ), 16 Jan, 2024 @ 05:03pm

  The apple is still a fucking apple, you twit.

  I couldn’t give a rats ass whether you think I’m a racist or not. I didn’t write these fucking stories, some Woke asshole much like you who sees racism in rocks, trees, dogs and even God wrote them. A fucking apple is a fucking apple until some asshole like you gives it a racist meaning or claims it symbolizes racist intent. Food injustice has deep roots: let’s start with America’s apple pie | Food | The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/may/01/food-injustice-has-deep-roots-lets-start-with-americas-apple-pie Is apple pie racist? Column claiming dish has colonial roots sparks debate | The Independent (the-independent.com) https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/apple-pie-racism-guardian-b1862610.html You have your definition of a racist and I have mine. If you think everything is about race, then you are probably a racist. If you have to question whether your dog is a racist or even if God is, then you are probably a racist. Can Dogs Be Racist? | Psychology Today https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/canine-corner/201909/can-dogs-be-racist Is God a Racist? Theology, Race, and Divine Justice - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dSTqYDlOZI

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  davec ( profile ), 16 Jan, 2024 @ 09:47am

  You don’t “get” to bring it up because you’ve not only defended racist shitbag police officers, BUT ALSO RACIST POLICIES AND DEFENDED THE INSURRECTIONIST IN CHIEF, DONALD TRUMP. But you will anyway because none of you Nazis will care. I don’t get to bring it up in my COUNTRY, because there’s A NON-ZERO CHANCE, ALBEIT LOW, THAT I WILL EITHER GET ARRESTED OR SUED BY THE GOVERNMENT FOR MENTIONING THE TOPIC. Our fucking situations are not the same and any association to you Nazi filth makes me sick and angry.

  I suppose you are the Anonymous Chickenshit from Singapore (it’s hard to tell you guys apart). If you are frightened of your country our southern border is wide open. Walk right in and claim asylum. Oh yeah, that’s right. You would be walking into a country where all the police officers are racist shitbags. What a conundrum. Just stay where you're at.

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  davec ( profile ), 16 Jan, 2024 @ 09:34am

  You need to seek help.

  I see you are still doing your book burning.

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  davec ( profile ), 16 Jan, 2024 @ 09:25am

  Most people who find themselves in a hole wouldn’t make the hole bigger. You demand to be handed a shovel so you can keep digging.

  If you bring up race, it's because you are a racist. If you avoid talking about race, it is because you are a racist. If you don't understand that it is because you are a racist. The fact that I’m not even talking about race, I’m talking about everything being linked to racism proves what? Go ahead and say it. Put me in the same box with Jesus.

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  davec ( profile ), 16 Jan, 2024 @ 09:14am

  You act as though people should be thinking that no one in their right minds would seriously call Piers a racist, but I don’t see why. I have no idea why you’re bringing him up, specifically. So a lot of people call him a racist; so what?

  It is not about Piers Morgan, whales, rocks or Jesus. It is about EVERYTHING being linked to racism. Whether the article is satire, serious or scientific someone has attempted to link it or label it racist.

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  davec ( profile ), 16 Jan, 2024 @ 08:55am

  In your fevered quest to prove that everyone else but you is a racist, you not only didn’t read the articles, you misunderstood one of the headlines. You’re either intentionally ignoring your own fuck-up here to declare how not-mad you are at being called a racist or suffering from some sort of intellectual disability. I’m not sure which would be worse for you at this point.

  I’ve always said “if you think everything is about race, you’re probably a racist”. Yet somehow people claim not to be racist by linking everything to race. Dogs, cats, God, Jesus, and yes even whales. Do you know what Blackfishing is? I had to look it up. Blackfishing is the act of someone who is not Black pretending to be Black with the use of methods such as makeup, tanning, or technology like filters and Photoshop. Regardless of the intent behind blackfishing, doing it can have negative mental health effects on Black people. So when someone made a documentary about Orcas and referred to them as “Blackfish” and “Killer” whales it was now a microaggression intended to hurt Black people. It’s exhausting.

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  davec ( profile ), 16 Jan, 2024 @ 08:16am

  These are still just as fucking dumb as before. Apple is a term American Indians use as a slur for their peers.

  The apple was an apple until someone linked it to racism. Same as the OK hand jester was just a gesture to let people know “I’m ok” or “it’s ok” until someone linked it racism. Now we have all these racist scuba divers and construction workers flashing White Power signs in need of DEI.

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  davec ( profile ), 15 Jan, 2024 @ 03:34pm

  For FUCKS sake, please tell me you’re being sarcastic here.

  I don’t think for one second that everything is racist. I was initially shocked when someone wrote an article about dogs being racist. Then an article about cats being racist and apples are a racist term for Native Americans. Etc., etc. etc. etc . . . . . . . every time I checked, whatever it was, someone linked it to racism. You didn’t like the links I posted about whales being racist—to me the whole idea is stupid, but someone wrote an article linking whales to racism or a racist act. Most are too idiotic to read so I don’t. But here you might like these better. Warning—if you are offended by people referring to Orcas as Blackfish and Killer Whales, you may not want to continue. [Mythbusters] White Makes Right When It Comes to Whaling | JAPAN Forward (japan-forward.com) https://japan-forward.com/mythbusters-white-makes-right-when-it-comes-to-whaling/ jeff-cocci-persistance-in-the-north-pacificmakah.docx (live.com) https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ursinus.edu%2Flive%2Ffiles%2F4516-jeff-cocci-persistance-in-the-north-pacificmakah&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK No racism against world’s first white orca – Metro US https://www.metro.us/no-racism-against-worlds-first-white-orca/ what is the whale whale racism comment mean｜TikTok Search https://www.tiktok.com/@gloktimusprime/video/7267545393792044330 (1) Is it racist to boo Japanese foreign exchange students and chant 'stop killing whales'? - Quora https://www.quora.com/Is-it-racist-to-boo-Japanese-foreign-exchange-students-and-chant-stop-killing-whales

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  davec ( profile ), 15 Jan, 2024 @ 02:42pm

  Man, you are really hung up on people calling you a racist, huh.

  At one point I was but when they called Jesus Christ a racist it kind of took the sting out of it.

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