Houston Police Chief Says He'll Prosecute People For False Statements About COVID-19 Response; Won't Debate 1st Amendment

from the that-constitution-thing-is-kinda-important dept

We already went over this with Newark, NJ, but now Houston's top law enforcement officer is falsely claiming he can and will prosecute people for making false statements about Houston's COVID-19 response. It started with rumors on social media that the city was going to go into lockdown -- which is not a crazy rumor given that plenty of other places in the country (and the world) have more or less done this exact thing already (including the entire state of California). But Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner tweeted that this was false information and he was asking law enforcement to investigate:

That says:

There is a video on social media of a person saying she was in a meeting with government officials confirming that there will be a city lockdown this weekend or Monday. All of this is false. I am asking HPD and Harris County DAs Office to investigate for possible prosecution.

Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo then responded to the mayor on Twitter, saying that the police "have launched an investigation" and something about "nation actors intentionally spreading misinformation."

Now, it should be noted that we've written about Art Acevedo a few times now, including his ridiculously bad response to his officers completely botched a no knock raid that killed two innocent people. Acevedo, who came to Texas (first to Austin, then to Houston) promising "reform" and cleaning up police departments hasn't always done such a great job of that -- but you'd at least expect him to know how the 1st Amendment works.

But, no, that's too much apparently. Also, when confronted on this... he trotted out the very wrong "fire in a crowded theater" line:

As a reminder, that line is not good law, and is the excuse most commonly used by bumbling idiots to defend unconstitutional censorship.

Even once a bunch of experts in this space piled on to point out to Acevedo he was wrong, he kept it up, with a ridiculous press conference in which he said that he had no time to debate 1st Amendment lawyers:

We have opened a multi-jurisdictional investigation. I had a 1st Amendment lawyer arguing with me on Twitter, and the mayor on his tweet. We're not gonna debate the law. I'll just say that the US Attorney's Office is now involved in this investigation. Our federal partners are now involved in this investigation and we will prosecute anyone to the fullest extent of the law. I've been in touch with the DA's office. I've been in touch with our federal partners. And the bottom line is that we have investigations ongoing.

Yeah, except (1) you can't prosecute people for mere rumors on social media, and (2) saying that you are going to prosecute false information is incredibly dangerous because it stops people from sharing valuable and useful information if they're afraid that it might not be fully verified. We saw this in China, where police went after the doctor who was trying to raise the alarm about COVID-19 and it silenced him and probably slowed worldwide (and local) attention to the risks of COVID-19.

Even more ridiculous, right before saying that he was going to prosecute people for false statements, Acevedo said (and I kid you not) that you shouldn't listen to anyone on social media, but you should listen to the President -- the very same President who has been a veritable fire hose of misinformation regarding COVID-19. Meanwhile, much of the good and useful information has been spreading by experts on social media, just as Acevedo is saying not to listen to any of it.

As it relates to the individuals who continue to spread false information: you should be ONLY listening to your elected officials, or to your appointed officials, for information on what is happening or is about to happen. If there's a change, only believe it when you hear it from the Mayor, the judge, the Governor, the President or the people that they appoint for these type of responses.

Now, sure, you should listen to officials to get specifics on the official response, but mentioning the President at a time when he's spewing so much disinformation and then immediately insisting that disinformation is criminal, is just crazy. Oh, and then he also insists that the misinformation is coming from foreign sources:

Secondly, the majority of this information, a lot of, it's not just coming from individuals, but from nation states. I'm gonna repeat: nation states, that are purposefully putting out information that try to cause pandemonium. That try to get a reaction from the public.

Citation needed, chief. Yes, I'm sure that some information on social media is being put out by nation state trolls trying to wreak havoc. But "the majority" of it? Come on. Also, again, importantly, there's been a ton of incredibly useful information and details on social media talking about how to best respond to this, from how to "flatten the curve," how to stay safe, how to wash your hands, how to practice social distancing, even to the point of how to help make medical equipment to help protect medical professionals. Telling everyone not to listen to any of it and that you'll prosecute people for posting that info is downright dangerous by itself.

I don't expect everyone to understand the ins-and-outs of the 1st Amendment, but a police chief of a major city, certainly should.

Filed Under: 1st amendment, art acevedo, false statements, free speech, houston, sylvester turner


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    Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 24 Mar 2020 @ 12:15pm

    Goose and gander, meet pot and kettle.

    The funny part is he is limiting false statements to Covid-19, but not any politicians campaign promises, or legislative rhetoric when they try to justify some of the crazy things they vote for.

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      Thad (profile), 24 Mar 2020 @ 12:54pm

      Re: Goose and gander, meet pot and kettle.

      The funny part is he is limiting false statements to Covid-19, but not any politicians campaign promises, or legislative rhetoric when they try to justify some of the crazy things they vote for.

      It's like you're so close to an epiphany.

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    crinisen (profile), 24 Mar 2020 @ 12:32pm

    Those darn Nation States!

    You know like Italy, Spain, France, and United Kingdom are all out to destroy our economies with all of that false "Please, don't do what we did. You still have time." nonsense.

    This is of course coming from the same place whose Lieutenant Governor is speaking on the behalf of every Grandparent saying they would be cool with dying for their Grandkid's financial benefit or some such.

    https://twitter.com/DanPatrick/status/1242280376069959680

    https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/s tatus/1242245135129346050

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    Pixelation, 24 Mar 2020 @ 1:14pm

    Acevedo needs to feel important. another, "Look at me and see how powerful I am" type. He's probably been a bully his whole life.

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      Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 25 Mar 2020 @ 1:38am

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      "He's probably been a bully his whole life."

      Well, in a somewhat aware society you'd expect those who govern police to realize that the concept of great power over their fellow man and a uniform tends to attract a certain type of person and take steps to implement proper supervision. Even in such societies this sometimes fails.

      In the US, it seems to be assumed that putting on the uniform magically infuses the wearer with morals so there's no actual need for effective supervision anymore.

      The result of which is such glorious examples of "uprightness, honesty, and toughness" as Bill Barr and Acevedo.

      Honestly, the US citizenry as a whole needs to start realizing that anyone operating according to fiat iustitia ruat caelum is NOT your friend or savior and that Draco has a shit rep for a reason.

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    ECA (profile), 24 Mar 2020 @ 1:15pm

    DOnt mind opinions..

    But an opinion Should be able to change.
    If you need more info to make a Decision, about how and what to say.. ASK someone that Knows something about something.

    Iv only had 1-2 posts on FB, about what the Virus does and is and HOW it works. Was a good explanation. Then I get warning from every site I goto telling Basic instructions, and not how this is a bad thing happening.

    I like good info, a Good Simple answer to it. Not everything. But this all started out as MR T, on TV telling everyone its all right.

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    Bt Garner (profile), 24 Mar 2020 @ 2:04pm

    How far up?

    There have been some wildly inaccurate statements from the top of the US government, wonder if he wants to investigate those falsehoods too?

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      Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 25 Mar 2020 @ 1:41am

      Re: How far up?

      "...wonder if he wants to investigate those falsehoods too?"

      If I were a cynic I'd say that his ability to investigate might be hampered by having his nose shoved up the posterior of his superiors so far all he can see is a pair of wrinkly butt-cheeks, giving him all the plausible deniability he needs to truthfully claim he can see no falsehoods there.

      Good thing I'm not a cynic.

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    Upstream (profile), 24 Mar 2020 @ 2:34pm

    Most LEO's, it seems, view the Constitution as not merely a quaint anachronism, but as an impediment to their power, an obstacle to be overcome by whatever means necessary, or to simply be ignored.

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      Norahc (profile), 24 Mar 2020 @ 3:20pm

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      The Constitution was damn well was meant to be an impediment to lae enforcement and the government. The issue isn't necessarily with lae enforcement working against it, but that the courts routinely allow them to do so with no repercussions (QI anyone?). If the courts would start cracking down on un-Constitutional activities by law enforcement, then the cops would learn to play by the rules.

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      Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 25 Mar 2020 @ 2:09am

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      "Most LEO's, it seems, view the Constitution as not merely a quaint anachronism, but as an impediment to their power..."

      Every even halfway liberal constitution or charter around the world explicitly states that the rights described exist in order to restrain law enforcement in order to guarantee LEO's remain enforcers of justice rather than just thugs in uniform.

      In civilized societies these restrictions exist to protect law enforcers as much as it does the citizenry. In the US that balance either never existed or has been irretrievably broken. A uniform doesn't magically infuse a person with morals. That appears hard for many people to realize.

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      Bergman (profile), 25 Mar 2020 @ 7:09am

      Re:

      Which is why I've been saying for years that we're going after dirty cops, prosecutors and even judges who violate rights in the wrong legal system.

      In civil court, they use other people's money for their defense and not a penny of their own. That's if you can get a court to even hear the case, since the doctrine of immunity says they don't have to accept the lawsuit if no court has ever ruled that such things are illegal, no matter how many laws there are that say so. Even if they lose the lawsuit, the payout to the plaintiffs comes from the taxpayers not the people who broke the law.

      But any rights violation you can sue an official for in federal civil court and win, is also a federal criminal court offense. One that carries sentences of decades in prison, for most offenses.

      Texas in particular is fertile ground for citizens to arrest rights-violating officials, since color of law rights violations while in possession of a firearm or with two or more people working together to violate rights are felonies, and the same Texas statute that authorizes a cop to arrest someone without a warrant also authorizes ANY citizen to make an arrest under the same circumstances.

      Lastly, the US Supreme Court has ruled that federal citizen's arrests are lawful in any state that authorizes state citizen's arrests. For a felony, that's every state except North Carolina.

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        Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 26 Mar 2020 @ 1:54am

        Re: Re:

        "Which is why I've been saying for years that we're going after dirty cops, prosecutors and even judges who violate rights in the wrong legal system."

        Correct. a LEO is tasked to wield the violence monopoly of government in order to uphold law. A breach of that trust must be considered a criminal offense, not a civil one. But the prosecutor who must raise the case is inherently beholden to the ones he must prosecute, and so the accountability chain breaks down.

        If a private corporation had similar chains of accountability the next audit would fail them.

        "In civil court, they use other people's money for their defense and not a penny of their own."

        And yet, in all too many cases tort law is shoehorned into service because it's the only instrument left for a citizen to gain relief from a wrong done by a LEO. I somehow wonder how many bad cops see fit to kill rather than merely abuse simply because that often guarantees they won't face the hassle of a suit.

        "But any rights violation you can sue an official for in federal civil court and win, is also a federal criminal court offense. One that carries sentences of decades in prison, for most offenses."

        Does this actually pass the practical test? I mean, in theory that might be good, but in practice I can only see a reality where the city ends up paying for an officer's infringements while the officer says that one line - "I feared for my life" - and walks without a single word of censure.

        "...the same Texas statute that authorizes a cop to arrest someone without a warrant also authorizes ANY citizen to make an arrest under the same circumstances."

        Sounds good. So when a texas citizen tries to arrest a LEO and the whole squad of LEO's then insist the corpse of said citizen is the result of him pulling a gun on them, placing them in fear of their lives, what happens, if anything?

        No, they key to righting the sinking ship of US "law" enforcement comes in two parts; separate the DA's from their reliance of police goodwill. And ensure that officers who commit wrong end up with black marks on their records which prevent them from just getting a new job in law enforcement.

        And that's going to be tough to implement because right now if there's ONE bad officer in any given precinct, every last officer in that precinct is to some degree culpable as well.

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    Art Assavedo, 24 Mar 2020 @ 3:41pm

    To be fair, he did say you should only believe what you hear from the Mayor, the judge, the Governor, the President or the people that they appoint for these type of responses - and he's none of those things.

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    Lawrence D’Oliveiro, 24 Mar 2020 @ 4:12pm

    Whom To Listen To

    Andrew Cuomo seems to be emerging as one outstanding voice of reason and calm.

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      Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 25 Mar 2020 @ 2:22am

      Re: Whom To Listen To

      Looks like a great guy - on paper.

      Either he's a carefully constructed political sock puppet the democrats will try to platform in some upcoming presidential election...or he'll never be allowed to progress beyond senate or congress.

      Everyone keeps focusing so hard on the republicans devolving into a frenzied mob of race hate and pseudoreligious cultism they keep forgetting that the democrats are still the party which will throw elections rather than allow a candidate to emerge who doesn't properly appreciate the game of mutual "backscratching" they keep playing.

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    That One Guy (profile), 24 Mar 2020 @ 4:28pm

    'I meant when OTHER people say wrong things, not me.'

    Person claiming that spreading misinformation is deserving of prosecution and damn the first amendment is himself spreading misinformation, which would be a crime under his 'interpretation' of the law but is in fact an act protected under the first amendment he is so dismissive of.

    Ah the gloriously hypocrisy, you just can't make this stuff up...

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Mar 2020 @ 4:45pm

    you should be ONLY listening to your elected officials, or to your appointed officials, for information on what is happening or is about to happen.

    Well hey. Yeah, I'll listen to the Mayor/Governor/President on what policy decisions have been made, regardless of the medical wisdom involved.

    But I didn't elect them Doctor, so I'll continue to get my medical advice from people I didn't vote for, regardless of the political policy involved.

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Mar 2020 @ 5:38pm

    so go arrest trump

    people are dying, man!

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    Smartassicus the Roman, 24 Mar 2020 @ 9:37pm

    Great Expectations

    You're expecting intelligence from a politician and a pig. Haven't you learned anything, Mike?

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Mar 2020 @ 10:26pm

    When you quit censoring speech on this very website then you can start lecturing others.

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      That One Guy (profile), 24 Mar 2020 @ 11:23pm

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      Someone who is either too clueless or too dishonest to figure out/acknowledge the difference between 'you've been flagged by the community on a private platform open to the public, with the truly heinous penalty of having your comment hidden behind a single mouse click' and 'calls for investigations by government actors to other government actors with threats of legal punishments for saying the wrong thing' really isn't in a position to throw that particular stone, but thanks for the laugh anyway.

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      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 24 Mar 2020 @ 11:48pm

      When you figure out that your speech isn’t being “censored” so much as being hidden behind a flag saying “this might not be worth your time to read” and that Techdirt has every right to flag your posts thanks to the First Amendment and 47 U.S.C. § 230, maybe you can start making posts worth a damn.

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        Anonymous Coward, 24 Mar 2020 @ 11:59pm

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        Go ahead, talk some more. Talk more and more. Talk talk talk. If you actually had any persuasive arguments, you wouldn’t act like a pathetic weak kneed schoolgirl and hide the speech of others. Talk. You have nothing to say that persuades ANYONE, you are the very definition of a pathological infection of an inferior ideology. Hide your critics, go ahead . It says more about how stupid and weak you are. Hide hide hide, you fucking ignorant totalitarian socialist pig.

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          Stephen T. Stone (profile), 25 Mar 2020 @ 1:45am

          If you actually had any persuasive arguments, you wouldn’t

          …have your comments hidden.

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          Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 25 Mar 2020 @ 2:28am

          Re: Re:

          "...If you actually had any persuasive arguments, you wouldn’t act like a pathetic weak kneed schoolgirl and hide the speech of others."

          And that, right there, is why everyone keeps flagging your commentary as "Not worth my time".

          The fact that no one really wants to listen to your bullshit is all on you. Maybe if you stopped being that wild-eyed shouty guy no one wants to listen to things would be different.
          Until then i think you'll have to get used to your comments being hidden under a "This is crap. Signed; The Community" label.

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          Anonymous Coward, 25 Mar 2020 @ 5:17am

          Re: Re:

          If you actually had any persuasive arguments, you wouldn’t act like a pathetic weak kneed schoolgirl and hide the speech of others.

          Don't be sad. It's just the community saying that what you have to say isn't worth much of a shit.

          Face it, you're just a complainer. A perpetual victim.

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      Anonymous Coward, 25 Mar 2020 @ 4:10am

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      When stop thinking that freedom of speech means that you can hijack any forum, you might become a reasonable person.

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      Anonymous Coward, 25 Mar 2020 @ 5:13am

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      You can call it "censored" when I can't unhide it and respond to it.

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        Anonymous Coward, 25 Mar 2020 @ 6:29am

        Re: Re:

        Oh, thank you for explaining your childish bullshit socialist rule book.

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          Anonymous Coward, 25 Mar 2020 @ 7:45am

          Re: Re: Re:

          You are very welcome. Glad I could help.

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          ROGueS, 25 Mar 2020 @ 9:32am

          its not just a "socialist" rule book these TD in-house trolls ar

          Its not just a "socialist" rule book that these Techdirt in-house trolls are following.

          Have a look at this:

          https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Institute_for_Statecraft

          If you examine them very closely- Stephen "T. is for TROLL" Stone, bhull, Scary Devil Monastery, Wendy Cockblock, et al, you will note that they are all quasi-religious, pro-police, neocon gate keepers and protectors ( no matter what their official banter says).

          Their pseudo-rational/ pseudo-sceptical form of argument always defaults to "CONSPIRACY THEORY" as soon as you scratch the surface of their pet causes (police who like te gays,te "deists" and te zionazis)NGO type trolling and derailing.

          Please help me flag them in the future, esp. Stone.

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            Anonymous Coward, 25 Mar 2020 @ 10:43am

            Re: its not just a "socialist" rule book these TD in-house troll

            Their pseudo-rational/ pseudo-sceptical form of argument always defaults to "CONSPIRACY THEORY" as soon as you scratch the surface of their pet causes (police who like te gays,te "deists" and te zionazis)NGO type trolling and derailing.

            Perhaps you should research the term "self-awareness."

            Hope this helps.

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            Stephen T. Stone (profile), 25 Mar 2020 @ 2:10pm

            Stephen T. Stone

            quasi-religious, pro-police

            Now that’s comedy.

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              ROGueS, 25 Mar 2020 @ 11:47pm

              Re: not exactly

              The real comedy is how you fake-leftists lack insight into your role as speech cops, but I appreciate that you appreciate my sense of humor.

              Whereas it may be hilarious to you to participate and suppress voices of dissent, or voices of inquiry, and YOU actively participate in speech policing using useful idiot styles of argumentum ad flag-the-fuck-out-of-dissent at Techdirt, I am always reminded of those who came before me as actual activists (unlike you) who were NOT pro-police in the dialectic.

              Crazy people like Stanley Cohen, Esq., and Lynne Stewart, Esq., and even men like Prince Ray Bullock, a former BPP organizer who dealt first hand with COINTELPRO 1.0

              https://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/about/

              And even dare I say it, even men and women like Rand Paul, (oh, look, the free speech debates are *curiously devoid of so-called women's voices! WHy IS that?)and others who-while they cannot be conformed to your binaries, stand for free speech, free assembly, and even the idea that commercial enterprises like Twitter, and even Techdirts comment forum are the modern town square; and other rights both enumerated and not.

              So, yeah, there's that.

              You just parrot stuff you read here, ad some inept snark, and sing along with the newly emerged status quo of the faux-left-centrist choir, which is notoriously pro-police unions, constantly singing "Citation! Evidence! Educate me for free, because I am too biased/lazy/stupid to do the research myself!"; much less the front lines work of actually speaking out and getting your head bashed in by some rando sadist pig who kicks down your door.

              So, yah, there's that.

              As for religion, your version of rational/ scepticism (and TDs in-house troll farms too) is curiously unwilling to engage in what you call debates of any kind, as your religious practice and ritual is pseudo-rational cockblocking (otherwise known as gate keeping against lashon hara) according to TDs Squad 8200/JTRIG/DoD/ADL monitored "community forum"rules (which you yourself have noted at some point "aren't written down, like every community," lol.)

              Seriously: there are either rules of civility or there are NOT rules of civility, and you, constantly acting as a foil against inquiry, speech and analysis of world events deliberately protects the exact religious Cathliobaptistprotestantopus/neocon/Israeli apartheid troll farms that I indict here.

              You do their work for free.

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                Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 26 Mar 2020 @ 2:22am

                Re: Re: not exactly

                "As for religion, your version of rational/ scepticism (and TDs in-house troll farms too) is curiously unwilling to engage in what you call debates of any kind"

                So again the actual opposite of what happens in reality, as observable by anyone capable of reading?

                I seem to recall numerous debates spanning some even dozen full-page scrolldowns right on these forums. Before you spent your credibility and everyone realized all you were interested in was pushing a faith-based agenda of global conspiracies - in the face of as much evidence to the contrary as the bibilical fairytales.

                Pro tip; You aren't building your cause by outright lying about observable reality, no matter how many inflammatory keywords you see fit to drop in your argument.

                You are also not making people listen by shrieking in hysterics about the Hidden Masters while insisting everyone who doubts the unrealistic assumptions you keep pushing with holy zeal.

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                  ROGueS, 26 Mar 2020 @ 7:35am

                  Re: Re: Re: not exactly, Claus Drusaa

                  Actual atheists have been taking note that people like you and your faux-scepticism is really just cover for deeply held religious confusions based in speech prohibitions aka "lashon hara" that derive from the pre-scientific era.

                  And, your confused types are very effective at derailing atheism/secularism/etc-ism precisely because you have co-opted rational discourse and sceptical inquiry with chronis dis-engagement from actual discourse, having replaced it with epic levels of Prove it or the puppy gets it! which is a classic disinformation tactic.

                  re: pushing a faith-based agenda of global conspiracies

                  Evidence or GTFO. Name one conspiracy that I have espoused, without evidence of actual conspiracy, I dare you.

                  And aren't building your cause by outright lying about observable reality

                  Well, you there, an overseas troll who does not live in the USA of which I write, certainly has little to say about the reality I observe there.

                  I have many causes, and I have changed the dialectic in many important ways, not least of which is outing intel trolls and spooks and people like you who are affilliated with private detectives and private contractors for what you are.

                  And, you are patently wrong on both points, and a proven liar to boot.

                  Observable reality says that you are a proven liar, as my entire body of writing attests that I am no religionist, and never was. You knew this when you lied there, and you know this the next time you lie again.

                  And now, you react to my accusation leveled at you, personally several threads ago, that your pseudo-rationalism is a front for yourself and other agnostics and deists, faux-profressives, and other malicious or confused fucks who cannot get rid of religion in their discourse entirelyas it is the underlying theme of everything you write.

                  But at least the onlookers now know that you are an actual liar. I am well in the record as a reaction formation against organized religion, and its hand up the ass of people like you, and your pet religionists.

                  I am about as Nietzsche as it gets around here, whereas you are a known derailing troll, and a proven liar.

                  AS for your now-latent attempt to counter my accusation that you are a useful idiot working on behalf of NGOs, and other known derailers, well, I get letters....

                  And believe me, some of my new readers/onlookers who peek in here have noted with glee that you are a known derailer, the bottom of the barrel of TDs in-house trolls, who have the act down well, but fall just short of actual rationalism.

                  Its easy to be chronically sceptical when you have never put forth anything meaningful, or original. You have that going for you, up there in your faux-ivory monastery.

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                    nasch (profile), 26 Mar 2020 @ 8:01am

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: not exactly, Claus Drusaa

                    Evidence or GTFO. Name one conspiracy that I have espoused, without evidence of actual conspiracy, I dare you.

                    Voted funny.

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                      ROGueS, 27 Mar 2020 @ 7:33am

                      Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: not exactly, Claus Drusaa

                      Thanks, nasch, that means a lot to me, coming from a guy/person/bot/you or whatever.

                      Haha, the good old days, when we used to agree that gang stalking by intel agencies, etal. is actually a real thing (search your own comments in the link below, concurring with my analysis of NGO, think tank, and intel agency level gang stalking):

                      https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131210/07555625519/lawsuit-claims-accidental-google-s earch-led-to-years-government-investigation-harrassment.shtml

                      but then, you flipsided and decided that gang stalking is delusion after something or other in our incredibly sceptical, reasonable and rational discourse.

                      ( I think it was my non-partial, egalitarian approach to protected species of humans and free speech for all, up to and including lashon hara, freezepeaches,bad wordz and of course, me taking craps all over the Freedum Lovin Murrican value system and its mob rule where we don't discuss politics or RELIGION in anything other than the most cloaked and daggered, Machiavellian terms.)

                      But thanks for the like....(TD so gameified, lol)

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                        nasch (profile), 27 Mar 2020 @ 10:26am

                        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: not exactly, Claus Drusaa

                        Haha, the good old days, when we used to agree that gang stalking by intel agencies, etal. is actually a real thing (search your own comments in the link below, concurring with my analysis of NGO, think tank, and intel agency level gang stalking):

                        We never actually agreed on that. What I said was:

                        "Not so long ago I would have said [it's schizophrenia]. Now it doesn't seem entirely far-fetched. Not that I would take that story at face value, but it doesn't sound totally impossible anymore."

                        So, 1) it is possible (not likely, but possible) any particular incident is real and not imagined 2) I would not take that story, or any other about gang stalking, at face value and 3) I have looked into it more since then, and mental illness seems to be overwhelmingly the most likely explanation.

                        I think it was my non-partial, egalitarian approach to protected species of humans and free speech for all

                        There were a few factors, but no that was not one of them.

                        But thanks for the like...

                        You're quite welcome.

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                    Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2020 @ 9:14am

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: not exactly, Claus Drusaa

                    I enjoyed your faux-intelligent comment.

                    Nice words. The best ones. Bigliest, bested, goodest words ever.

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                      ROGueS, 27 Mar 2020 @ 7:42am

                      Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: not exactly, Claus Drusaa

                      I enjoy your faux analysis, spoken so boldly with faux-rational commentary; and also real cowardice.

                      Amazing that you can live with yourself.You, yourself-urself-self...(plonk)

                      Du, Ick!

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                Stephen T. Stone (profile), 26 Mar 2020 @ 4:13am

                Look, I could do a typical breakdown of your post that I’m known around here for doing, but I’m busy with more important things (e.g., “enjoying” free PornHub Premium). So I’ll whittle this down to a handful of points:

                1. Criticism of speech is not suppression of speech, and neither is people flagging your speech (i.e., showing you the door). You’re free to post your speech anywhere else that will have you.

                2. Twitter may be a “public forum” in a colloquial sense of the term. But Twitter is not an actual public form in that it is owned by the general public or the government. No one can force it to host any kind of speech.

                3. When you make a claim of fact, you’re the one who must provide a citation for that claim. Responsibility for backing up a claim lies with the person who made it.

                4. I’ll gladly debate something with you when you provide a point worth debating instead of “ThE eViL jEwS aRe StIfLiNg My SpEeCh!”-level conspiracy theory bullshit. My religious beliefs (agnostic atheism, BTW) have nothing to do with that.

                5. Your version of “civility” is “nobody calls me on my bullshit”. You know what happens when someone rightfully calls me on my bullshit, regardless of whether they’re civil? I say “fair point” and try to learn from my mistake.

                6. Corollary to the last point: Your opinions deserve no respect for the fact you have them, and you deserve no respect in a discussion for the fact that you’re a part of it. You would likely refuse to kiss my ass only because I’m part of this comment thread; I see no reason to kiss yours for the same reason.

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            Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 26 Mar 2020 @ 2:09am

            Re: its not just a "socialist" rule book these TD in-house troll

            "If you examine them very closely- Stephen "T. is for TROLL" Stone, bhull, Scary Devil Monastery, Wendy Cockblock, et al, you will note that they are all quasi-religious, pro-police, neocon gate keepers and protectors ( no matter what their official banter says)."

            Except that every observation of what we say would produce the exact opposite result.

            "Their pseudo-rational/ pseudo-sceptical form of argument always defaults to "CONSPIRACY THEORY" "

            Because it is. If a tenth of what you keep spouting was true then there's apparently people around who are inhuman masterminds capable of mind control and, in many cases, actual time travel, who routinely release doomsday viruses and frame assorted people for crimes when the ability they'd need to pull that off would render all those convoluted plans completely unnecessary.

            You're not a truthsayer. You are just that wild-eyed screaming fanatic so eager to fit normal human sociology and avarice into a set of Plans By Hidden Masters it's become your article of faith.

            And it's somehow ironic that your response to ANY scepticism closely mimics that of a fundamentalist mullah or medieval priest confronted with a heretic.

            "...their pet causes (police who like te gays,te "deists" and te zionazis)NGO type trolling and derailing."

            You know how we can all tell rather easily that you're just a bigot desperately trying to find the Global Conspiracy to give his bigotry validity, dude? That right there.

            "Please help me flag them in the future, esp. Stone."

            I think you're in the wrong forum if you expect the community to flag the calm and coherent commentators rather than the shouty fanatics. But you do you.

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              ROGueS, 26 Mar 2020 @ 8:41am

              Re: Re: its not just a "socialist" rule book these TD

              OK, I will do it for you, considering as how you are so busy and all (spending your days so prolifically commenting here that TD awarded you the Golden Esther Award for Excessive Speech)

              You:

              Criticism of speech is not suppression of speech, and neither is people flagging your speech (i.e., showing you the door). You’re free to post your speech anywhere else that will have you

              Me: I never once claimed any of the above. I merely, and consistently have demonstrated the speech suppression mechanism of this forum (which was my stated goal), and yours and others roles as gate keepers, aka useful idiots; and coincidentally encountered the fact tat those who write the best about free speech, are actually part of why speech is not freebut in fact is a privileged American narrative that was usurped in the 1960's going forwards

              You:

              Twitter may be a “public forum” in a colloquial sense of the term. But Twitter is not an actual public form in that it is owned by the general public or the government. No one can force it to host any kind of speech

              Me: I never claimed Twitter was anything close to anything other than a corporate/private speech filtering mechanism, and that:

              • with a public face, infested by intelligence agency and NGO trolls who create speech crisis, and then police the speech crisis they create (The Hasbara-Nazi's-zionists problem; or the fact that we are all so concerned about Harvey Weinstein's fake rapes, more than the actual Prison Industrial Complex rape training grounds that create and nurture, and use rape as a tool of social control; and that spawns rape ideology)

              You:

              When you make a claim of fact, you’re the one who must provide a citation for that claim. Responsibility for backing up a claim lies with the person who made it

              Me: You and others here have never argued against any fact I have ever presented, ever, because that requires engagement with the facts at hand via the links provided, which you have never done. You and others are actually merely derailers and distractors, protecting your pet causes, and your non-rational allegiance to religious prohibitions on speech, aka lashon hara (in your case "deist" atheist-agnostic perspective, honestly, what the hell is that if not confusion?).

              You:

              *I’ll gladly debate something with you when you provide a point worth debating instead of “ThE eViL jEwS aRe StIfLiNg My SpEeCh!”-level conspiracy theory bullshit. My religious beliefs (agnostic atheism, BTW) have nothing to do with that.

              Me: Again, I never said any of that, and considering that I wrote the first story in the US, about the first post 911 manufactured Somali terrorist, you are beyond disingenuous.

              I cited known and specific efforts of the ADL (the Redirect method and Moonshot CVE, used by a racist group to literally subvert the thought processes of targeted audiences)and other US-FVEYs-Israeli intelligence affilliated shitbags who derail American law and culture. I am well aware of the many other religionists and shitbags that are involved in these actions too( but you have never seemed to acknowledge that-why, exactly? Yeah-thought so...).

              I suspect that somehow, you derive profit by always dragging the anti-Jewish trope into EVERY dissent. Why is that?

              For the record, ROGS is not anti-Jewish, nor do Jews call me such, ever. But I am also not pro-semitic

              As I stated, you are likely gaining culural capital and cache from such absurdity ( and really, your purported atheist agnosticism is incompatible with rationalism,and in fact agnosticism only indicates confusion, or fear of the unknown

              So, to be clear, you are essentially against my speech, because I put Jews (and the Jews among my own relations) on a level playing field: I consider Jews merely as human beings, no different, no better, and no worse than myself in any regards, and as myself, merely part of human kind.

              I consider organizations that claim to speak for all de Joos as involved in criminal activity, because that's what those highly vocal organizations(for which you are a very useful puppet) are descended from, which is historical fact.

              SO, most of your commentary runs this way, smearing me with antisemitic tropes, almost as if you work directly for Meyer Lansky and his klan, or the Bronfmans, who are heavily invested in pro-Israel, anti-Palestinian anti-America stances, and who historically have reduced discourse to the exact binary you are arguing.

              You:

              Your version of “civility” is “nobody calls me on my bullshit”. You know what happens when someone rightfully calls me on my bullshit, regardless of whether they’re civil? I say “fair point” and try to learn from my mistake

              Me: Since when is my bullshit some kind of evidentiary standard?

              I mean, for a rationalist/deist/agnostic/etc, you seem to once again confuse standards of evidence, which you have done on many occasions.

              You have never once clearly engaged nor argued, nor debated any point I ever made. And I will be glad to debate you on any front, on any topic, ever. But you yourself (enabled by TDs in-house gag of trolls) do not engage in debate of any kind, and certainly the NGO/intel troll farm/political think tank friendly flag button inhibits useful debate of any and every kind.

              Remember: I have been raising awareness of organized gang stalking and the groups that do it, or are invested in the private contractors that do it, for nearly ten years here and elsewhere (many elsewhere's, actually) and that dialectic has changed massively.

              Those groups range from Mormons to Baptists, to Catholics, to Jews, and its called "third party punishment" and goes on all over the world, where there is organized religion. You have never taken me to task for citing police union led mobs, Baptist mobs, or the Cathlioctocon, but you take umbrage that I include Jews on a level playing field; or that I not only include Jews(and invite their dissent too!), but nearly indict Jewish NGOs ad the ADL specifically in training cops in Israel, and sending them back here as zionists who shoot people in the back, and run hidden gangs in (militarized) policing.

              As such, I suspect that you are either gaining cultural capital, actual capital, or are deluded, or disingenuous, which is why I have called you a police apologist in the past.

              You:

              Corollary to the last point: Your opinions deserve no respect for the fact you have them, and you deserve no respect in a discussion for the fact that you’re a part of it. You would likely refuse to kiss my ass only because I’m part of this comment thread; I see no reason to kiss yours for the same reason

              Me: Um, weird. And interesting in the Freudian/evolutionary sense that you show your ass at this point. Greater and lesser apes do this for several reasons, and one of them is submission.

              I won't try to prove your motive here, but yeah, I don't kiss no asses, unless its in my porn stash, labelled as "WOW! Dat ASS!"

              Other times, in the country I live in, where porn is nearly un-necessary due to the constant supply of ACTUAL and REAL asses to kiss ( for free, for love, or for a small price), I do indeed kiss me some real asses, and I thoroughly enjoy every dirty bit of that well established and necessary rite of human interaction.

              On that note, sure, sometimes I am wrong, and have said so at those times. Whoop dee doo daa all day. But bullshit is NOT a form of evidence in a debate about facts and never was. So which is it? You are arguing factually, or from the standpoint of bullshittery? Cant have it both ways right? .

              But I am not wrong in general thrust of what I write or claim, and you and the TD troll brigade have never engaged with that in any substantive way, because you are a gate keeper; a foil against actual rational discourse; and a useful idiot and derailer by belief in the speech prohibition.

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                Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2020 @ 9:21am

                Re: Re: Re: its not just a "socialist" rule book these

                you missed

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                  ROGueS, 27 Mar 2020 @ 8:54am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: its not just a "socialist" rul

                  Yeah, it did miss (I didn't).

                  Many of us who are heavilly trolled, derailed, or moderated here have noted that this comment misplacement is a regular feature, not a bug of TDs NGO/DoD/intel/private contractor troll farm friendly policies.

                  Now on to Claus...

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                Stephen T. Stone (profile), 26 Mar 2020 @ 7:28pm

                Time for another lightning round.

                1. By referring to your speech as “suppressed” when it isn’t, you’re conflating criticism and people flagging your speech with censorship — and subtly implying that you believe you have the right to have your speech displayed without impediment and shielded from criticism.

                2. You have a disturbing obsession with rape.

                3. We haven’t argued with any facts you’ve presented because you’ve rarely, if ever, presented any facts.

                4. Agnostic atheism is a belief system in which one doesn’t believe in God, but cannot say “God does not exist” because we have no proof as to whether God exists.

                5. “I wrote the first story in the US, about the first post 911 manufactured Somali terrorist” — Assuming this isn’t bullshit: Congratulations on giving away particularly personal identifying information without being asked!

                6. I’m against your speech because it’s clearly anti-Semitic, evidenced by how you used “Joos” in a clearly derogatory fashion and how you keep whining about the ADL.

                7. I would debate a point you make if you would make a point worth debating. At best, your lenghty screeds come off as the unhinged ramblings of a conspiracy-theory-loving sociopath who is planning on shooting up a synagogue.

                8. I’m not gaining anything by posting here. I often have better things I could be doing — like masturbating to porn videos featuring Angela White.

                9. You kiss your monitor when an ass is on the screen? What the fuck.

                10. You’re wrong. You will be wrong 99% of the time. And your obsession with me should end here and now before you end up becoming the thing you claim to hate: someone who “gang stalks” me (whatever the fuck that means).

                Now go fuck your monitor, you sick freak.

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                  ROGueS, 27 Mar 2020 @ 9:57am

                  Re: Thanks for playing ROGS Bingo though

                  You lost the speed round, it took me 21 seconds to read. I like you better as an AC cowardly derailer/troll.

                  OK.

                  You:About rape/Stephen T. Stone's fetish with Angela whatever-her-name-is/and quote unquote you kiss your monitor when an ass is on the screen

                  Me:

                  Um, wut? I live in a country where sex abounds, even for the fat, the dilapidated, the beta, and the sperg. WHat are you on about? (Yeah, exactly! You are wanking it to your computer monitor, while I live it up overseas, having fled the US after being harassed for decades by religious nutcases)

                  You: Time for another lightning round.

                  Me: See above

                  You: By referring to your speech as “suppressed” when it isn’t, you’re conflating criticism and people flagging your speech with censorship — and subtly implying that you believe you have the right to have your speech displayed without impediment and shielded from criticism.

                  Me: I never said ANY of what you are implying or saying.

                  Yes, my speech is indeed suppressed at times, because I speak forbidden words. And as I noted repeatedly, it is demonstrative speech and I refuse to adhere to the conventions of three thousand five hundred years ago, aka "lashon hara speech prohibitions" (Have you looked that up yet, STEVE, lol. I bet you STILL do not even know what that means)

                  You: You have a disturbing obsession with rape

                  Me: Really? Where? Do you mean how I skillfully dissect and analyze the difference between Hollywood starlets accusing their former pimps of rape, versus what happens in US prisons, and third world oligarchies every day to people who are penniless?

                  Really, for a guy who is stuck at home watching internet porn, really....is your T-level acting up? I hear that by day 8 on lockdown, many Americans are performing fellation on their cats (feces encrusted) paws.

                  Easy bro, its just hormones-they cannot kill, or maim, much less rape. But while we are on the topic,one of my masseurs, a lovely country lass in her mid thirties keeps texting me to come for a stroke, but I keep deflecting by saying "well, you know, the VIRUS!!!" But she is persistent. And yes, sometimes I lie, because the TRUTH is I am waiting until after April Fools day to go Bunburying in the countryside in search of fun.

                  You: We haven’t argued with any facts you’ve presented because you’ve rarely, if ever, presented any facts

                  Me: OK, live in that virtual world bro. I bet its more comfy than yer moms house. And, you are obviously too busy to engage on substance, and busy writing sophomoric papers about installing cameras in private places or something.

                  You: Agnostic atheism is a belief system in which one doesn’t believe in God, but cannot say “God does not exist” because we have no proof as to whether God exists.

                  Me: For GODS SAKE can't you spell

                  CONFUSION

                  Bro, I have died the medical death once, and I assure you, and those who babble on about God, G-d, Gawd, etal. are absolutely a living death in and of themselves, murders each one; and a good reason to die, But I kept living just to spite them. Stop letting THEM, whoever THEY ARE confuse you.

                  You: “I wrote the first story in the US, about the first post 911 manufactured Somali terrorist” — Assuming this isn’t bullshit: Congratulations on giving away particularly personal identifying information without being asked!

                  Me: Well, you haven't earned any more freebies with your misanthropic snark here. But maybe it helps to know that I am very open about my identity, I routinely drop crumbs, and routinely am rewarded as these shitbags validate my narrative. I have made myself a target for that EXACT reason. It attracts flies, bro. ANd those can be trapped, each and every one in turn, revealing who, and what they are (pro-tip: in PsyWar, the dangle is a valuable weapon of discovery)

                  You I’m against your speech because it’s clearly anti-Semitic, evidenced by how you used “Joos” in a clearly derogatory fashion and how you keep whining about the ADL.

                  Me: Well, that's your opinion. A few lawyers I know, some radicals from years past, and some Jews who live in Iran, and the west bank, or even my father, and a few other good old tropes from my life might disagree with you. But hey, its ok to be wrong, right, Steve?

                  And again: you and the other in-house trolls, gate keepers and derailers here are simply not up to snuff (no, not YOUR porn) on coded speech. I mean, look at your own post a few up there, and your tHE jEws areBEhind..." bahblahblah.

                  Antishemitis!

                  You: I would debate a point you make if you would make a point worth debating. At best, your lenghty screeds come off as the unhinged ramblings of a conspiracy-theory-loving sociopath who is planning on shooting up a synagogue.

                  Me: AH! Shooting up a synagogue! I am reporting YOU immediately to the DHS for saying that. I am not kidding! Steven T. Stone, South Calanky, right?

                  Yeah, and you remind me of that guy in the IT department who installs hidden cameras in the toilet, and then live-streams it to his own office, thinking that other ITs don't have you on screencast already. I mean, its just my impression of YOU.

                  You: I’m not gaining anything by posting here. I often have better things I could be doing — like masturbating to porn videos featuring Angela White.

                  Me: Speaking of too much personal information....

                  You: You kiss your monitor when an ass is on the screen? What the fuckMe: see preface commentary

                  You: You’re wrong. You will be wrong 99% of the time. And your obsession with me should end here and now before you end up becoming the thing you claim to hate: someone who “gang stalks” me (whatever the fuck that means).

                  Me: Evidence or GTFO.

                  But I have the scars to prove I was security for well over ten major gay pride parades, and several decades intervening as the Russian/Arab/Israeli/Palestinian/Serbian/Croat/Somali/kenyan/etc. mobs fought over local turf in my area ,bro. Regardless of my opinion of you/them/etc., I still believe in speech, which comes at a cost. And, I know who the deal brokers are in such conversations.

                  As such, my commentary is a running defamation of the Defamers in Chief in every dialogue of any significance. Do you?

                  Because I notice that you are defaming me with an anti-Bantu smear, and you are also not sticking up for the Isaak or Benadiiri, or the Yanomami in Venezuela right now.

                  Why is that?

                  Oh, never mind: your true colors have flown the ever lovin' coop. But only after wanking it at your computer there, lol.

                  So, when I submit my anonymous tip about how

                  some rando on the internet named Stephen T. Stone mentioned shooting up a synagogue, should I point them to these conversations for context, or just let them kick down your door?

                  (gee, I hope the speech police don't monitor, trace, and shoot this postup in transit)

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        ROGueS, 25 Mar 2020 @ 10:26am

        its not censorship on a private/public forum/kill wordz NOW!!!

        Despite Techdirts own acknowledgement of how the Court has called Twitter a "public forum, much like ye olden tymes town sqware," here, in TDs public-facing, world-wide available forum,

        there is a form of exceptionalism because, reasons.

        Obviously, Techdirt does not host Israeli/Russian/JTRIG/ADL/AIPAC/DoD/FOP/other trolls/(full/s)

        I can't imagine what those exceptional reasons for why Techdirts world-wide audience and comment pool might feel exceptional, but I won;t hold my breath awaiting reasons either.

        Corporations are corporations, right? The Ye Olden Towne Sqware is Ye Olden Towne Sqware, right?

        Reasons

        might be that half of their comment pool is affilliated with notorious online troll farms, "liberal CIA/other" psyops,and alt-Left disinformation, much like these OTHER neocon funded shitbags:

        https://isgp-studies.com/media-recognizing-disinformation

        And the Anti Defamation League and its baby eating, bomb dropping Octopus of NGOs too.

        Oh, NOOOOES! ANtishemititiscismclysms!!!!

        The alt-left is every single bit as deceptive, scurrilous, and cowardly in its censorship as its alt-right wing counterparts. Both are totally co-opted dissent.

        I would love TD's community response, but all I get is that stupid sperg Stephen T. Stone, et al. and associated neo-Nazi's-cum-te-gayz-hurtzfeelz, and TDs useful idiot flag brigade.

        (I suspect and postulate that it is a highly ADL type trolled blog; much as Houstons Police Chief Art Acevedo is an Israeli puppet, policing speech hmself. Guess why?)

        Here's why: Art Acevedo is an Israel trained zionist, link provided above. There is a conclusive dialectical pattern in the data.

        Yup, if you guessed "exceptionalism is NOT censorship if performed by useful idiots and #fakeCommunity at Techdirt," you win a ROGS Bingo

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          Anonymous Coward, 25 Mar 2020 @ 10:44am

          Re: its not censorship on a private/public forum/kill wordz NOW!

          Show us on the doll where the Jew touched you...

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            ROGueS, 26 Mar 2020 @ 12:11am

            Your Barbie doll wears Swastikas and the Star of David together

            Right after you prove you are not a racist ADL parrot, or a Squad 8200 derailer (but since you brought up that guy with the camp tattoos...).

            And, you also brought up that Cathliobaptistprotestantopus, its Mormon FBI, and its related frauds and hoaxes, yeah, Kee McFarlane (who you reference via your bad touch/doll analogy) and her merry brood of Satanic Panic hoaxers are definitely human garbage.

            https://www.vox.com/2016/10/30/13413864/satanic-panic-ritual-abuse-history-explained

            Its not Jews, idiot, its religion, hidden in law, culture, and speech prohibitions.

            And, in your binary, tribal (and cowardly, for some reason) commentary too.

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              Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 26 Mar 2020 @ 2:26am

              Re: Your Barbie doll wears Swastikas and the Star of David toget

              "Right after you prove you are not a racist ADL parrot"

              The AC didn't comment on the ADL at all so he doesn't have to prove anything.

              You, on the other hand, are multiple times on record for spouting rhetoric identical to the one pushed by the skinhead crowd. When you keep hollering slogans usually employed by nazis the burden of proof is on you.

              Once again, no one will believe your statements about what Russel's Teapot looks like until you can demonstrate that it actually exists.

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                ROGueS, 26 Mar 2020 @ 9:44am

                Re: Re: Your Barbie doll wears Swastikas and the Star of David t

                Yeah, you got me there, detective SDM (easy on the lutefisk, pal)

                I spent years in the anti-racist movement, as it was co-opted by the ADL and the cops, back around the time of the birth of the DVIC upon us all, andthe ADL-police/prisons brand of race-battle at the behest of the One Percent, in a colliseum-based rhetorical battle grounds where the One Percent ALWAYS wins!(by coincidence, of course).

                Yeah, I was an anti-racist mohawk. (I'm so busted!) The irony of co-opting Native American hairstyles (that were worn by Irish/German/Russian bog bodies several thousands of years ago), and all that!

                I am such a racist POS....WAWAWAWAWAWAWA. My racial guilt is below sub-par.

                UN-like yours....

                Shoot me in the face, please please, please!

                You on the other hand are what I claim you to be: an anti-rationalist, Jew pandering sceptic-as-religionist, affilliated with private detectives.

                And even then, you are still too stupid to differentiate actual racist Skinhead rhetoric from that of orthodox rabbi's, or other informed and nuanced rhetoric of race, and those who divide us.

                White male much? Yeah, I thought so, Swediepie.

                Now, AGAIN, I ask you to support your blatant lies:

                when have I, ROGS EVER even engaged with, or debated Russells teapot here, or elsewhere?

                Scary Devil Monastery is a proven liar.

                re: your statements about what Russel's Teapot looks like

                Please show me exactly one...no, even one HALF of a statement about Russells that I ever made? (you cannot)

                Thought so, you liar.

                SO, all of your statements about your role as a gatekeeper here at TD are tossed out the window due to your loss of the tasty heat of fact, defined by truthful statements, via the Second Law of Thermo-dynamics.

                It predicted your form of disorder.

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                  Stephen T. Stone (profile), 26 Mar 2020 @ 7:30pm

                  Shoot me in the face, please please, please!

                  Sorry, this isn’t the assisted suicide forum that you’re looking for.

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                    ROGueS, 27 Mar 2020 @ 10:52am

                    Re:

                    Sorry, sperg, but I have outlived many, many real, actual bullets.

                    I don't need some corn-fed pig to do what I can do myself. And obviously, your ASPERGERS persona does not include actual nuance. I mean, if any of the purported "suicide by cop" people are to stupid to Google Mexico and pentobarbitol, well, maybe somethings wrong with their PERSONAL internet choices.

                    But I don't need, nor do I fear pig bullets. Pigs, you see, aren't smart enough to record themselves properly on body cams, as we saw in the Chicago case (but you know nothing about that case, right, sperg for a day?).

                    SO, you on the other hand probably should experience just one (yeah, they hurt) bullet. Who cares where it comes from? Bullets don't have brains-they cannot hit you if you say the magic words "I suck ADL dicks in the Land of the Freeeeee....splot!" it was brought to you by the Bronfmans, etal in the first place, bro.

                    So, when the DHS/FBI internet speech police and troll squad(they are one and the same) shows up at your door (soon) because you mentioned shooting up a synagogue (yes, YOU DID THAT Stephen T. Stone), and some anonymous cowardly asshole aka "anonymous tipster" aka ADL/NGO affilliated speech troll reported you to FBI death squads and manufactured terror plotters who all train in Israel), please just cower,try not to shit or piss your pants (first timers frequently do one or both) and claim that you love Jews first and foremost, especially if the body cam is rolling (we never know do we?) and say God Bluss Amurrica, and Zion!!!!, and that you will do anything to protect Jesuses right to withhold his Jewish/bastard culture origins, and that you LOVE the hate lobbyists with all of your goyish ability.

                    Its the right thing to do, according to your mentors and masters.

                    Otherwise, stop now,while you are kind of ahead, because your comment about

                    Stephen T. Stone North Carolina, writing at Techdirt.com, is talking about shooting up a synagogue

                    could get you in trouble. Lashon Hara, bad wordz, freezepeach! the death of free speech, and all that, because of WHAT YOU SAID there.

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              Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2020 @ 5:35am

              Re: Your Barbie doll wears Swastikas and the Star of David toget

              Just tell us where on the doll the Jew touched you.

              It's really best for you to let this out and start the healing process.

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                ROGueS, 26 Mar 2020 @ 10:03am

                Re: Re: Your Barbie doll wears Swastikas AND the Star of David

                Snipf, snipf ;-(

                Thanks for caring, my good, albeit over-flagging and somewhat cowardly, off topic, derailing troll friend.

                That bastard (conceived during his mothers menses) touched me on my...my...my Negev!

                ...WAWAWAWAWAWA....

                https://www.mintpressnews.com/cybereason-israel-tech-firm-doomsday-electi on-simulations/263886/

                I will never be the same again....I feel so unvalidated....Harvey Weinstein...WAWAWAWAWA....

                Harvey refused to advance my film career, after I watched that fucker wank himself in the bathtub-saunasnipfand wiggled his (surprisingly mutated and unrecognizable penis) for less than 100k! WAWAWAWAW!!!!

                And...and...finally all of those "free thinkers" are addressing a topic that I put into the millieu about ten years ago:

                https://thefreethoughtproject.com/not-just-catholics-rabbi-exposes-rampant-child-sex-abuse-by-h igh-level-jewish-clergy/

                WAWAWAWA!

                My weiner is so sore after that Golem tried to swipe it with a cleaver

                :-(

                Oh, I feel so much better now...thank you, AC....

                I heard there was a secret code, that always ends in "Hello Julia", for SOME REASON, but it escapes me right now.

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          Stephen T. Stone (profile), 25 Mar 2020 @ 2:12pm

          Please cite the law, statute, or “common law” court ruling that says you can force a platform into hosting your speech without hiding it or otherwise impeding access to it.

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            ROGueS, 26 Mar 2020 @ 6:55am

            Re: Not my argument, ever

            Stone, you keep trying to thrust that limp argument at me, when I never made that argument here at TD, ever.

            Somewhere in your binary Ich Du training, you have me confused with some metaphorical Bubba from the Boondocks who can't figure out whether TD, Twitter, or the Presidents account is "protected speech" covered by the first amendment

            I never said it was, EVER, but you are welcome to try to prove your evidence free assertion made over a span of nearly a year that I have tried to make that argument(which I never have, because my training as a journalist was filled with a couple years of first amendment law, accompanied by real world training in how empty free speech rhetoric is ).

            So lets recap, so you get it right next time (not that I expect you will, because your form of disingenuous trolling via mis-statement of my arguments is not designed for that effect):

            My argument:

            • TD is a heavily speech policed forum

            • TDs forum "community" is a misnomer, because by design, it attracts Dod/JTRIG/Hasbara/ADL/NGO/FOP/ Integrity Institute type intel trolls and others with a clear and indisputable speech crushing and derailing agenda

            • that you and other people like you are including in your hypothetical definition of a "community" bots, AI derailers, DoD trolls, FOP et alphabet professional PsyOps practitioners, Israeli hasbara and other paid shills who are not i fact residents of any "community" that you can identify; and other forms of internet trolling done from behind the cover of NGOs, etc.

            • TDs flag button is ill equipped to weed out the difference between bots and trolls from the above mentioned speech police, versus differentiating between genuine "community" members (unless of course you-cum-TDs King For A Day includes such NGOs and other paid troll armies and fake personas in your distorted version of a "community"to flag speech here)

            • that you and others here are willingly complicit with said fake personas/ACs/and in-house trolls as both useful idiots and active speech monitors, which historically is an action of the far right

            I mean, that's the basic argument.

            I could eleborate further, but you repeatedly resort to the same mis-characterizations and outright lies about my arguments, spread out over every thread, as if you are working the JTRIG or Intel community think tank playbook.

            So, no, there is no law, statute, or common law ruling that says anyone has to host my speech, anywhere. And, I never claimed there was

            What I did claim, is that TD willingly plays host to dubiously motivated spergs, bots, trolls, NGO scum, think tank affilliated speech crushers, and other derailers and troll farm oriented types; and that said in-house trolls are very well hidden here, disguised as ACs, and depending upon people LIKE YOU to assist them.

            So, thats why, a few threads ago, I said that you would make an ideal candidate for Nazi officers school, or any other zionist backed fascist group that will have you. Speech policing is a relic of the fascist religionist era, and you are participating in that.

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              Stephen T. Stone (profile), 26 Mar 2020 @ 7:03pm

              Why are you so obsessed with me?

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              teka, 27 Mar 2020 @ 6:10am

              Re: Re: Not my argument, ever

              This is getting thrilling

              Which kind of invisible enemy am I?
              I just Have to know.

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                ROGueS, 27 Mar 2020 @ 11:22am

                Re: Re: Re: Not my argument, ever

                Um...if you are thrilled by this, you are obviously overweight, unaffilliated with humans, and tied like a dog on a leash to your keyboard.

                But, let me guess anyways, just to enable you(summon?):

                • Techdirt in-house troll?Overweight librarian? Weird gay guy who cant get laid at a cowbarn? Maybe SDMs alter?

                But possibly one of many manifestations (infestations?) of zionized hasbara, cum rational discourse?

                Its hard to tell yet, because "teka" is a Swedish/Nordic brand of furniture and "other things", but also other things that I will not disclose...yet, indicating your origins, and discursive analysis.

                Time will reveal you. It always does

                ( like, as predicted Stephen Stone the synagogue bomber, and bhull, and Scary Devil Monastery are all ...well you know, right?).

                And really, what a stupid, blase, typical legend you are creating, actually. Teka.

                Sounds like a lapdog name for a troll farm pup, probably licks Russian balls, for all I know.

                And really, Who cares? You are just one of many inconsequential spergs here. Show some metal, or else!

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                  teka, 31 Mar 2020 @ 12:11pm

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Not my argument, ever

                  So I am either a paid state actor, a militant zionist infosec operative, some sort of fat basement dweller in bondage, an employee of techdirt or a homosexual, all things that you hate. You sure spend a lot of time thinking about things that disgust you, counting up the shudders like a miser counting coins.

                  And you cracked the code, despite everyone being out to get you and the many manifestations of the militant jew forces and feminists and socialist communist fascist nazis. You see the real truth, obviously, that is why so many random people dare disagree. They are not random at all, you know that they must be part of a secret plan, a plan with layers that you have allll figured out but don't want to disclose. You see through the masks that the lizard people wear and anyone who does not agree with you suddenly turns out to have a rubber face.

                  Sounds like a tough way to live.

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                    ROGS, 4 Apr 2020 @ 10:28am

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Not my argument, ever

                    I really admire people like you, who use the either/or convention, and then spew whatever random, Freudian projector garbage comes into your head.

                    re: either a 1) paid state actor, 2) a militant zionist 3) infosec operative, some sort of 4) fat basement dweller in bondage, 5) an employee of techdirt or 6)a homosexual, 7) all things that you hate.

                    Why can't you just pull yourself in one direction, and unite all those parts of yourself then? I mean, its ok if teka the TD troll is fragmented, I could care less. Why can't you just be all of those things? Its a good look, being multi-dimensional, for people like you whatever you are.

                    But right now, your seven-point self-narrative is looking a bit schizoid, and a bit pseudo-rationalist-ziocon-hasbarat-like.

                    But, yeah, I have cracked my share of codes, your just not one of them.

                    Yet.

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          Toom1275 (profile), 26 Mar 2020 @ 8:27pm

          Re: its not censorship on a private/public forum/kill wordz NOW!

          the Court has called Twitter a "public forum, much like ye olden tymes town sqware

          [Asserts facts not in evidence]

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        Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 26 Mar 2020 @ 1:58am

        Re: Re:

        "You can call it "censored" when I can't unhide it and respond to it."

        No, actually. If the government has a law preventing him from using his own soapbox to speak from - THAT is censorship.

        In a private community when someone is flagged or muted that's just the homeowner and his friends politely showing the shouty guy the door.

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        Anonymous Coward, 27 Mar 2020 @ 3:25am

        Re: Re:

        Fuck you

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    Anonymous Coward, 25 Mar 2020 @ 3:22am

    Cop-Speak Translation

    "...we will prosecute anyone to the fullest extent of the law."

    By which he meant, "we will persecute anyone to the fullest extent of our ability to evade the law."

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      Anonymous Coward, 25 Mar 2020 @ 6:56am

      Re: Cop-Speak Translation

      Yes, and they want to toss yer ass in prison without any due process - at all .... ever and they are serious.

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    Update Address (profile), 25 Mar 2020 @ 5:12am

    COVID-19

    The funny part is that it limits false claims to Covid-19, but no promises made by politicians or legislative rhetoric when they try to justify some of the crazy things they vote for.

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    Anonymous Coward, 25 Mar 2020 @ 6:57am

    Will this cop go after donny?

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    Joe Schlabotnik, 25 Mar 2020 @ 7:00am

    Chief Acevedo

    This coming from the same individual who originally communicated an enormous amount of misinformation regarding Detective Gerald Goines and the Harding Street raid . . .

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    ROGueS, 25 Mar 2020 @ 8:58am

    oh, lookie here! Speech prohibitions/Art Acevedo/Israel

    Art Acevedo is one of those who were militarized and trained in Israel under JINSA, notorious anti-free speech. militant lobbyist scum.

    https://palestineishere.org/places/police/page/10/

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      nasch (profile), 25 Mar 2020 @ 1:14pm

      Re: oh, lookie here! Speech prohibitions/Art Acevedo/Israel

      How strange, his name does not appear on that page.

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        Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 26 Mar 2020 @ 2:32am

        Re: Re: oh, lookie here! Speech prohibitions/Art Acevedo/Israel

        "How strange, his name does not appear on that page."

        Because all ROGS has is a decidedly partisan page authored by people with good motive to use any lever against Israel, merited or not, and a loose assumption that Acevedo, being a Person In Authority must be an attack dog for the Global Jewish Conspiracy.

        Saner and more rational minds would just say that the preponderance of the evidence suggests that Acevedo, much like Barr, is an all too human hard-on control freak eager to score a few political points with the incumbent administration in order to further his career and relieve himself of any accusation that he was "not doing anything" in a time of crisis.

        The likely assumption - Acevedo has no agenda beyond covering his own ass while either being too inept to realize the ramifications of his actions or being aware and not really giving a shit because politics.

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          nasch (profile), 26 Mar 2020 @ 7:54am

          Re: Re: Re: oh, lookie here! Speech prohibitions/Art Acevedo/Isr

          It also follows the pattern of his citations to sources (on the rare occasions that he actually makes any) that do not in any fashion back up his claims. But he seems convinced that they do. One reason I stopped arguing with him.

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            Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 27 Mar 2020 @ 8:55am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: oh, lookie here! Speech prohibitions/Art Acevedo

            "It also follows the pattern of his citations to sources (on the rare occasions that he actually makes any) that do not in any fashion back up his claims. But he seems convinced that they do."

            It's the point which makes any sufficiently advanced conspiracy theory akin to religion. ROGS continually conflates patterns of his own construction with empirical observable evidence. To him, any statement which fits his predesigned narrative IS fact.

            And of course that's where he gets frustrated when he presents a wordwall's worth of charts and tables demonstrating the exact axial spin of Russel's Teapot only to be met with the question "Uh, first of all, please show us proof that hypothetical teapot exists".

            Almost exactly like a medieval priest who's spent years figuring out the length and density of God's beard would react on meeting an atheist who insists he first show proof that God exists.

            There surely are conspiracies around - watergate, for instance, a few of the revelations in the wikileaks papers, and the - by now acknowledged - fact that the main cause of the US blunder in 9/11 was that the saudis planning the whole mess were politically untouchable. Al-Quaeda being the result of the US training muslim extremists in guerilla warfare to use against the soviets in afghanistan? Etc.

            But the common denominator of every conspiracy, ever is that secrecy is impossible whenever more than half a dozen people get involved. It always leaks, sooner or later. Because people are human. And if it isn't leaked by a Drake or Snowden it'll be leaked by geopolitic adversaries.

            And that's not counting all the "Well, D'oh" types of open fact being pushed as conspiracy.
            The use of dangerous medication as first response in the US as result of both pressure from the AMA and the obsession among americans to not trust the doctor until he prescribes the heftiest and most intimidating medication in the pharmacy. Or, in some cases, the way the US obesity problem has doctors in general prescribing high-risk heart medication in unbelievable amounts simply because they routinely receive obese teenagers and young adults teetering on the verge of cardiac arrest as a result of massive long-running sugar intake.

            But to the conspiracy theorist who has his pattern it's just another link in the puzzle of the Hidden Masters. It's like watching a sephardi kabbala mystic who "knows" God has put messages everywhere desperately using numerology to decipher the hidden messages in everyday life...

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              nasch (profile), 27 Mar 2020 @ 10:30am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: oh, lookie here! Speech prohibitions/Art Ace

              ROGS continually conflates patterns of his own construction with empirical observable evidence.

              Hit the nail on the head.

              And of course that's where he gets frustrated when he presents a wordwall's worth of charts and tables demonstrating the exact axial spin of Russel's Teapot only to be met with the question "Uh, first of all, please show us proof that hypothetical teapot exists".

              And then demands that you show him where he was ever arguing about a teapot. :facepalm:

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                ROGueS, 30 Mar 2020 @ 3:28am

                Nail/ head, Squeaky wheel/Grease, nasch/radical zionist

                nasch, why do you hide the evidence? Do you think it will disappear?

                Here it is again, if you are looking:

                Art Acevedo trained in Israel

                https://palestineishere.org/places/police/page/2/

                So, um, what's your definition of empirical evidence anyways? You and Claus seem to disagree, because Claus there is going on about conspiracies, while I am creating empirical evidence that you and others are actually part of the militarized police problem.

                For my part, every time TD publishes an article about the militarized police,or that many of these mass shootings are precipitated by bizarre contact with people like Rita Katz and SITE intelligence, and I point out that they are all training in Israel, you and the other in-house TD troll staples hide my post.

                So, I mean, that's empirical evidence of viewpoint discrimination; and that you and the Krew don't like these facts publicized.

                So, exactly what are you claiming, if not that you are yourself kind of a nutjob?

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                  nasch (profile), 30 Mar 2020 @ 8:45am

                  Re: Nail/ head, Squeaky wheel/Grease, nasch/radical zionist

                  Ah, using the search box I see you are actually correct! Which leads to the question... who cares? The fact that Acevedo trained in Israel is not the bombshell you seem to think it is. US police do so many things that are unambiguously terrible - why not focus on those?

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                    ROGS, 2 Apr 2020 @ 8:07am

                    Re: Re: Nail/ head, Squeaky wheel/Grease, nasch/radical zionist

                    Well, thanks for this affirmation, many years late:

                    using the search box I see you are actually correct!

                    What? ROGS is correct about something?

                    I appreciate your honesty there. That said, I never claimed bombshell status for that factoid.

                    But when we thread the foul, rotten dirty pigs" narrative together, and it happens-by coincidence, of course!- to implicate terror training in Israel as a precipitator of mass shootings, police brutality, and more (not least of which is all that bogus mind reading technology sold to US police, by shitbags from the IDF that targets our protesters), it is significant that these police chiefs are training in Israel*, and militarizing American police, which is an extremely important part of the narrative.

                    And that missing piece of the narrative casts most of TDs otherwise excellent dissent into a bad light.

                    Accountability only comes after we prove the narrative, and then, hold those accountable who should be held accountable.

                    SO, when I use words that are rendered taboo here by the High Proests of dissent and discourse, and then, hordes of Negevbillies, ADL trolls, and NGO scum, MIT AI bots, etc. flag my comments here, that is also part of the problem of holding people accountable.

                    So, for a real time example, are the curious deaths of every straight black male in the Ferguson protests, many of them found shot in the head, in burning cars, which is even WORSE tenfold than what happened to the couple in Houston.

                    In that case, we see that Darren Seals was himself rendered taboo as a speaker, for politically incorrect speech, and then, his linking his struggle with Palestinians, and then, he was summarily murdered.

                    It was Darren Seals arms into which Michael Brown's mother cried.

                    And he, too, was threading together the co-option of his legitimate dissent, and the monetization of his movement, and of course, he found the Ford Foundation and its white female/white liberal do-nothings at the forefront of that co-option.

                    More on him:

                    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ferguson-death-mystery-black-lives-matter-mic hael-brown-809407/

                    Yes, there is an ideological thread between cases like Acevedo's and Israelification, and some particularly noxious TD commenters(both real and AI bot)HATE me for bringing it up: white liberal, white christian, and white Jewish co-option of genuine protest movements.

                    Now I will wait, to see how quick this post gets flagged off of here. That's a demonstrated pattern here at Techdirt.

                    (not a good look, BTW, TD)

                    The joke of course, is on Darren Seals, as the so-called "liberal" Rolling Stone falsely ties Seals to Black Lives Matter, a movement that he distinctly repudiated, and claimed was the monetization of black suffering, and further exploitation of Ferguson activists, and the residents there who are brutalized by cops.

                    I call that the after death body punch, and its consistent across all of these cases too.

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              ROGueS, 30 Mar 2020 @ 3:04am

              the militarization of police, Ich/Du, Art Acevedo, and you.

              Well, seems a few folks here like the fact that militarized police forces, and US police chiefs are training in Israel, and Art Acevedo trained there too.

              Heres the evidence, Claus:

              https://palestineishere.org/places/police/page/2/

              Bro, they aren't currently training at the Vatican, or The Queens frozen bedroom, that I know of, and if they are, please point me to that evidence.

              And what are you on about here?

              • patterns of his own construction with empirical observable evidence*

              You and the other Squad 13 hasbarats here surely like to hide evidence of Art Acevedo training in Israel. That's sure a pattern.

              And that pattern has repeated for well over a span of YEARS, every time TD publishes an article about "militarized police"and then, I comment, and then, you trolls hide my comment about the ADL and its spawn in JINSA miltarizing US police.

              I mean, how do you define empirical evidence anyways? Seems you might be working from the wrong dictionary.

              Listen Claus, I have you on record in several threads now, throwing anti-Asian stereotypes around, claiming there's a global conspiracy for Fu Manchu and Charlie Chan to take over the world, and force us to eat dog chop suey, and give us pig-viruses, so if you want to speculate about racism, or racial motives in my post, lets look at a few of yours, howbout.

              But for the record,

              ROGS won't be dragged into the no-win binary (bi-polar) anti-semiticism bingo game, which was invented by a well known gangster, Meyer Lansky and his mafia associates in the JDL/ADL spectrum of NGOs.The odds of winning are worse than a Vegas craps table at Bugsies Pink Lady.

              Not being pro-semitic is not the same as what you are indicating, and I am certain many Jews would be offended at what a bumbling pro-semitic you are.

              That said, The Pilgrims Society, Opus Dei, Swedish intelligence, the so-called "Liberal CIA,"and the Cult of National Security trolls at Coast to Cast A.M. are every bit as culpable; yet you are right there in line with your gangster buddies up there, so, yah, its a few mafias, not just one; and yah, they kind of do control the world and its ideas right now.

              And they all suck pork boners at Bohemian Grove, and so on. With irony, I note that I actually know a clown or two who performs at Bohemian Grove as well, no shit.

              So, I don't know what you are on about, detective Claus, but so far, batting zero in the Antishemiticlismicist Bingo.

              You should try your hand at the Somerton Man mystery, or Bigfoot, its easier to solve.

              But thanks for the ROGS Bingo win on the useful idiot assisted smear campaign. Please, keep it up, you continue to prove my point somewhat eloquently for a notoriously low-T Nordic specimen.

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              ROGS, 3 Apr 2020 @ 9:53am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: oh, lookie here! Speech prohibitions/Art Ace

              It ain't the Russians, Inspector Clausbot.

              Here are just two groups that sought to influence/steal the last election:

              • British Intelligence

              https://thegrayzone.com/2019/01/08/new-documents-reveal-a-covert-british-military-intelligence-sme ar-machine-meddling-in-american-politics/

              • Israeli Intelligence firms

              https://www.mintpressnews.com/cybereason-investors-offer-israeli-spy-classified-intelligence/ 264095/#.Xh4xmU7rHo0.reddit

              "Through its main investors, SoftBank and Lockheed Martin, Cybereason not only has ties to the Trump administration but has its software running on some of the U.S. government’s most classified and secretive networks."

              Then, there's individual shitbags like Seth Klarman, who do stuff like the Iowa Votin App debacle too:

              https://thegrayzone.com/2020/02/04/pro-israel-buttigieg-seth-klarman-iowas-voting-app/

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          ROGS, 27 Mar 2020 @ 12:07pm

          Re: Re: Re: oh, lookie here! Speech prohibitions/Art Acevedo/Isr

          Hahaha.

          Its so nice arguing against the Meyer Lansky/Jewish Mafia/ADL speech police mechanisms(one and the same) here at Techdirt.com, and (of course!) their clearly sycophantic useful idiots and unwitting shabbos goy.

          ADL useful Idiots, and Todays Fresh Catch!(we promise, no bottom feeding shit eaters like Ugh! Clams! Carp! Trollobytes!), for the sake of cleanliness of discourse:

          Scary Devil Monastery, teka, Adolph Hitlers prosthetic penis, with micro-phallic feeding zionism gristing off of it like a veteranarians bottle-nipple in a rats face, and Joseph Goebbells talking dog( Stephen T. Stone):

          ROGS is so

          antishemisticiclismatical!

          (chucklefucking hilarious, this whole race-as-dialectic social contro/free speech disrupting angst-module/debacle)

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    John85851 (profile), 25 Mar 2020 @ 10:01am

    Don't believe his social media

    "Don't believe ANYTHING you read on social media!" he said in his Twitter feed. "Instead, check our Facebook page daily for updates about the virus."

    So if we shouldn't believe anything on social media, why should we believe his Twitter feed or Facebook page? Why should we even believe that statement?

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      Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 26 Mar 2020 @ 2:39am

      Re: Don't believe his social media

      "So if we shouldn't believe anything on social media, why should we believe his Twitter feed or Facebook page? Why should we even believe that statement?"

      It does beg the question whether Acevedo knows what Social Media is.

      It's pretty obvious that he's just pounding as big a drum as he can muster while shouting "I'm on the case. Trust me! All Is Well!!".

      The more learned may correct me on this, but last I checked the chief of police can't prosecute a damn thing. What he can do amounts to dropping a file on the DA's desk. A DA who may find himself pretty embarrassed about the unconstitutional promises the chief of police is issuing on his behalf.

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    Uriel-238 (profile), 25 Mar 2020 @ 12:04pm

    Fire in a crowded theater

    There seems to be a consensus that some speech is dangerous and might need to be regulated but none regarding the actual parameters on what constitutes dangerous speech.

    A recent case in point is the Arizona man who perished from drinking chloroquine phosphate after Trump👑 advocated the antimalarial chloroquine as a game changer that could be used to treat COVID-19. (It doesn't help.)

    But we've talked also about radicalizing speech and hate speech, which seem to drive some people to extremism and violence. The assassination of Dr. Tiller by Scott Roeder was driven by viewing over thirty Bill O'Reilly segments on Tiller the Baby Killer including bunches of lies.

    We seem to still be divided as to whether or not adult human beings have personal responsibility to exercise due vigilance regarding what is truth and what is actionable, or if enough of us are susceptible that certain kinds of speech must be limited.

    We've established there are limits to personal responsibility: Enough people cannot be trusted around casinos that they are prohibited with few exceptions, and that microtransactions in games (now a multi-billion-dollar industry) need to be regulated since people cannot be trusted around them either. (We've yet to pass actual laws, but there are dialogues and legal battles.)

    So where's the line? So far, hate speech and fake news are what other people say, and our peerless leader and FOX News seem exempt, even when they're totally saying someone should go kill that guy.

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      Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 26 Mar 2020 @ 2:46am

      Re: Fire in a crowded theater

      " recent case in point is the Arizona man who perished from drinking chloroquine phosphate after Trump👑 advocated the antimalarial chloroquine as a game changer that could be used to treat COVID-19. (It doesn't help.)"

      Actually there are some indications that Chloroquine may help, as verified by multiple research institutes. The issue being that chloroquine in itself brings hefty side effects to the table. It's not a harmless drug, especially not in the quantities estimated to be required.

      Self-medicating with a substance known to cause cardiac arrytmia, breathing difficulties and convulsions is risky at the best of times. Unless you are in a hospital, surrounded by doctors who know what they're doing, however, this is likely to be a "cure" as deadly as the disease.

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      ROGueS, 30 Mar 2020 @ 7:36am

      Re: Fire in a crowded (politicized dialectic space)

      You are positing right wing bad, left wing innocent, which is false.

      The Dayton OH shooter, Connor Betts was said to have done what he did in Dayton, because of the same argument you are making, with the exception that he was claimed to have been "radicalized" by pornography, and left wing music and ideologies.

      And with other shooters, we see the private contractors who harass these guys trying to pin blame on the other political party. on Reddit/ZeroHedge/Techdirt, etc(in the example above).

      So, politicizing it doesn't help. And, publicizing these nefarious and illegal high policing assaults on individuals aka "parallel colliding investigations" WILL help.

      What might also help is asking the right questions, like "why are the cops and undercover cops curiously close to the shooters in the seconds leading up to the events?"

      And my answer, which is replicated in shooting after shooting, is that the high policing that is going on, aka close contact surveillance and its bizarre surveillance role players and online/offline harassers under the community policing scheme is the problem.

      In Betts case, they were there in thirty seconds. That must be the fastest response time ever in history to any event, ever, much less one of these manufactured terrorist events.

      Or, they were there already, tailing the guy everywhere, which we also see in case after case, and which is written about online by both victims, and

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        Uriel-238 (profile), 30 Mar 2020 @ 11:58am

        "pornography, and left wing music and ideologies"

        And Dan White was allegedly radicalized by eating a Twinkie too many, rather than outrage at political rivalry (which is what most evidence points to, neither junk food nor homophobia).

        But after studies of countless failed suicide bombers, IRA attackers and other persons radicalized to violence, we've determined they're not very good at focusing on the object of radicalization. Current terrorism tactics (such as the magazines Dabiq and Inspire) seek to target people who are already radicalized, facilitate their means to act and direct them towards AQAP approved targets.

        This is to say, when we have a suicide attacker or rampage killer, their choice of targets or what they're angry about does not necessarily mesh with what radicalized them.

        Disclaimer: I don't posit anything about left wing or right wing because neither of the platforms are consistent, hence I seek to refine my positions to specific issues. In the current clime in the US, even moderatism is pretty far right, clinging to a system that allows for feudal stratification and mass peonage (both of which affect the public negatively). Hence, yes, a lot of my opinions are far left, because opinions that invoke rationality, parity and equality are far left.

        Also Disclaimer: Looking at your other posts, ROGueS I find them difficult to read, and have outright stopped a while ago. I read in this case because you replied directly to me, and responded with something that I thought could use follow-up. It's no guarantee I'll be able to read or respond to continuation of this thread.

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    ARt Acevedo, Cuban, 30 Mar 2020 @ 12:45pm

    Re:

    Ok, that's fair play. I agree with you on the right/left binary distraction. Indeed ISGP studies has documented as much via analysis of the Pilgrims Society and others.

    Andd yes, opinions that evoke actual as opposed to pseudo-rationality (the specialty of the NGOs and military trolls) are appreciated.

    As are opinions about " feudal stratification and mass peonage". On this we agree, 100%.

    Well, beyond the phony narrative of the Houston PD and Art Acevedo, we do see my thesis validated again, as the sister of the murdered Dennis Tuttle sides with the police, lol.

    https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/sister-of-man-killed-in-houston-police-gun-fight-speaks-out/3 687/

    And she's involved in real estate ( No shit: ROGS Analysis predicts this)

    Dan White is also an interesting case on many levels-presuming you are talking about the murderer of Harvey Milk? Thomas Szaz was an epic figure in that case, and later the great rise of Dianne Feinstein, by coincidence, of course.

    Of course!

    https://www.city-journal.org/dan-white

    Yeah, the bi-polar narrative is never clear cut, nor accurate. And, curiously, both Nancy Pelosi, AND Dianne Feinstein are the main gatekeepers of that narrative.

    Then, yes, many of my posts ARE hard to read, because I am frequently under attack by NGO/.mil/ spergs, and I deliberately utilize various ploys and personas to analyse the responses to my posts.

    Sorry about that. Which is why I spoke to you, directly this time.

    Your post on your blog (?) about how good guys with guns must analyze situations, and respond to bad guys still resonates with me. as does the movie "The Sergeant" with Rod Steiger.

    That was an excellent piece that you wrote.

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