The Secretary Of Health & Human Services Doesn’t Believe In The Foundation Of Modern Medicine
from the medicine-101 dept
We discussed RFK Jr.’s recent appearance before Congress, where he bravely declared that the current measles outbreak in America has absolutely nothing to do with him, despite that definitely not being true. But, unsurprisingly, that wasn’t the only craziness that Kennedy put on display in the hearing.
The Secretary of HHS doesn’t believe in the foundational theory that powers modern medicine.
Read that again. It’s an insane sentence, the sort that should be fiction. What we’re talking about here is the germ theory of disease, which is the accepted science when it comes to how many diseases infect and spread through pathogens. We mentioned in a post last year, which was chiefly about how Kennedy decided to take his grandkids swimming in a creek filled with poop, that he had also written in a 2021 book that he doesn’t believe in germ theory, and instead believes in what he incorrectly labels “miasma theory”.
It’s one thing to write something in a book as we were mired in a global pandemic. But Kennedy both admitted that he doesn’t believe in germ theory, and defended that belief, before Congress.
In the hearing on Wednesday, Sanders called attention to Kennedy’s denial of germ theory while raising one of Kennedy’s shaky arguments for debunking. In opening statements, Sanders warned Kennedy that he wanted to question the “things that you have written which call in doubt the very existence of the germ theory.”
Sanders pointed out a 2024 study led by the World Health Organization and published in The Lancet that found that since 1974, vaccines had saved an estimated 154 million lives, including 146 million children under the age of 5—or, as WHO put it, vaccines saved the equivalent of six lives every minute of every year over the past 50 years.
“My question is a simple one,” Sanders said, “do you still believe that one of the central tenets of the germ theory, that vaccines sharply reduce infant mortality, is quote-unquote simply untrue?”
Kennedy first did what he always does: try to tell you that the experts and studies have no idea what they’re talking about, or are hopelessly corrupted tools of industry. He does this so often that you can set your watch by it. If a study agrees with him, it’s a good study. If it doesn’t, it’s bad. He’s more like Trump than any of us realized.
Then he launched into his own justification and offered up a 2000 study that he claimed demonstrated that it was improved nutrition and sanitation that reduced childhood deaths this century, and explicitly not medicines like vaccines. Unfortunately for Kennedy, Bill Cassidy piped up with a, oh, let’s call it a minor correction.
The study by Guyer notes that sanitation, among other public health strategies introduced in the first half of the 20th century, drove major declines in mortality. But, as Cassidy noted during the hearing, it’s not all that the study found. Cassidy looked up the studies Kennedy raised and read through them during the hearing.
The Guyer study highlighted that vaccination did not become widely used until after the middle of the century, thus it cannot account for mortality declines prior to that. But it concluded, as Cassidy read out loud at the hearing:
The reductions in vaccine-preventable diseases, however, are impressive. In the early 1920s, diphtheria accounted for about 175,000 cases annually and pertussis for nearly 150,000 cases; measles accounted for about half a million annual cases before the introduction of vaccine in the 1960s. Deaths from these diseases have been virtually eliminated, as have deaths from Haemophilus influenzae, tetanus, and poliomyelitis.
Kennedy tried again, with another study, but Cassidy pointed out that it had the same issue as Kennedy’s first: it measured data from the beginning of the century to the early 1970s. Many of the vaccines Kennedy rails against had barely been out during the period the study analyzed, or in many cases hadn’t come out at all. Speaking specifically to the measles vaccine, released in 1963, Cassidy said:
“There’s 3.5 million cases of measles per year before the vaccine came along and about 550 deaths, and then the vaccine took those to less than 100 [cases] and like zero deaths,” Cassidy said. “So a tremendous impact of the vaccination.”
The problem with Cassidy is that he’s acting like he’s trying to convince Kennedy to change his mind on this. He’s not going to. Not ever. He’s made that clear.
So impeach him or convince Trump to make Kennedy his next cabinet firing. That’s all that’s left to do. Because we certainly cannot continue having someone run HHS who doesn’t believe in the very baseline theory for medicine.
Filed Under: bill cassidy, germ theory, health & human services, rfk jr.


Comments on “The Secretary Of Health & Human Services Doesn’t Believe In The Foundation Of Modern Medicine”
Saying nobody knew a thing because you didn’t know it is a little bit Trumpy itself, Tim.
Re: Alright, but...
I mean, fair point. But dial the clock back 10 years and try to explain how RFK Jr. and Trump were going to be in any kind of political alliance.
That’s the point I was trying to make.
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Failed the bar exam after becoming assistant district attorney in the 1980s, convicted for heroin possession shortly thereafter, a financier by the end of the 1990s. Published “Deadly Immunity” in 2005 claiming that vaccines cause autism, and joined a group promoting such views in 2015.
There were signs of similarity, even if the actual alliance took us by surprise. And, sure, Kennedy spoke strongly against Trump ten years ago; but such an abrupt change in expressed viewpoint, with no apparent cause other than one’s own financial interest, is “Trumpy” itself.
Why not? It’d be a terrible idea, but is certainly possible. That’s been the story of the USA since early 2025.
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How about 9 years?
Trump asks vaccine critic to chair committee on vaccine safety
“You just don’t want the laws of science enforced!”
Polio actually got worse due to better sanitation. Almost everyone had it as a small child at least going back to the ancient Egyptians and the strains acted like the live polio vaccine to the vast majority of young people. Better sanitation prevented children from being exposed when very young and then they started getting paralyzed and dying when infected at an older age or with a worse strain.
Kennedy correctly believes that toxins, over processed foods, and the body’s microbiome play important roles in illness.
Otherwise, he is a nut job though.
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If you’re trying to pretend sanitation was a bad thing, actually, you are extra stupid.
By far the most childhood deaths were from diarrhea (kills a lot of adults, too) which sanitation greatly reduced the incidence of. (also mostly bacterial, can’t vaccinate against it)
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Techdirt ate my reply so I’ll state the gist of it. Vaccines that are effective against bacteria are also real.
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Allow me:
“A little apple pie mixed in with the cow pie does not improve the cow pie. A little cow pie mixed in with the apple pie ruins the entire apple pie.”
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The thing is, even in the instances where he’s right, he’s still an idiot who you can’t trust. He might also believe in gravity, but I still wouldn’t listen to him if he tried to explain any science to me. Middle school children who haven’t covered advanced science topics also believe some things that are true. They’re not viable candidates for running HHS. He doesn’t get credit for not always being stupid if he’s stupid about really basic stuff and specifically things that his agency covers, especially if his positions and policies get people killed. In a just world, he’d be held criminally liable for this.
Science, like comedians is a sorely misunderstood thing by the MAGA crowd.
How the fuck is this rodent eating imbecile fucking alive? As in how has he not poisoned himself or given himself some in/deadly virus or infection.
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Being rich is amazing for your health.
please tell me I'm joking
Between denying germ theory (and science in general), stripping women of their rights, thinking queer people are ontologically evil, and rounding up people based on nothing more than the color of their skin, the GOP want to take us back to not the 1950s, but the 1500s.
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you have to say something funny before I tell you that you are joking.
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And neither Trump or RFK would have lived that long in 1500s. So yes, maybe science has gone too far.
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At the very least, before 1776. Though England at that time was a parliamentary monarchy already, with royalty already wielding less power than Trump would accept.
So sometime before that is more what Trump and his lickspittles are aiming for.
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The problem is a long term result of many good people suffering from the Dunning Kreuger Effect and thinking ontology is a weird new venereal disease.
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Nah, too Catholic.
To be fair
Nutrition is an important part in how effective the body’s defenses can counteract infections. A healthy diet providing sufficient nutrients and essential fatty acids goes a long way towards ensuring sufficient resilience.
For example, fruits and nuts, nuts, nuuuuuts, nuuuuuuuuuuts. I am sorry, what were we talking about again? Oh yes, RFK Jr’s approach to making the U.S. healthy. Nuts, nuuuuuuts, nuuuuuuuuuuts…
I lived with a die hard rfk jr anti fauci believer for a while.
Ok enough guy as long as he talked about anything else, he had an encyclopedic knowledge of jazz for instance.
But his house had no reliable hot water, the town kept sending them notices about the overgrown eyesore yard, and oh so so many other things.
Kinda informative in its own way about true believers.
Of course be doesn’t, this is a regime where the sole purpose is to have malevolent idiots break as much as possible so nobody notices Trump and cronies ripping the wires out the walls. The only reason there isn’t a flat earther in charge of NASA is it’s keeping Elon’s business afloat and he needs it working, for now.
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Elon has managed to sell self-driving cars that crash into stalled trucks, tunnels that do nothing to solve traffic congestion, trains in a vacuum tube that will never work, and a “free speech absolutist” platform that censors people and is full of Nazis.
He’ll have no trouble selling the NASA boss a rocket that circles the Disc.
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You’re the guy who was gloating about Charlie Kirk being dead and mocking conservatives for being upset about it, right?
Not even vaguely what he said.
The “sanitation” bit is the “germ theory of disease” you anti-scientific dumbass. (nutrition is quite important too) Diarrhea (cholera and the like) was BY FAR the biggest killer of children for centuries. (the vast majority of it was bacterial, btw, so vaccinations do nothing)
Yes sanitation literally saved far more children’s lives than vaccination, you stupid ignorant retard. This is an indisputable, widely agreed upon, fact, not in any way dependant on one study or another.
I recently learned that 53k children die in Pakistan a year, still, because they have crappy sanitation.
You are awful and have no idea how anything anything works. Why are you talking?
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Hey, look, you used that same ableist slur again. Did a pedophile billionaire saying it was okay make it “cool” to you?
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It’s not a slur. We use it (overuse it, admittedly) because retards like you tried to pretend it was a slur, and failed, so now it’s extra funny.
I give no fucks what you think about the language I use, retard.
Just admit that I was right, next time. Because I was, and you had nothing to say in actual rebuttal.
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Developmentally disabled people and their advocates (including family members) would disagree with you. But when have you ever cared about the feelings of anyone but yourself and whoever pedophile billionaires tell you to defend?
Or I can point out that your (over)use of an ableist slur destroys your credibility even worse than your lack of a fact-based argument or your blatant “everything my guys do is okay and everything the other side does is literally worse than the Holocaust” bullshit. Like, you whine about people “celebrating” Charlie Kirk’s death, but where was your whole “don’t mock people who were murdered” act when Donald Trump mocked and celebrated Rob Reiner’s death after Reiner was murdered?
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Except that makes it even more of a slur than it already was. You being proud of being a bigot doesn’t make it less so, it makes it more.
This is of course the expected hypocrisy of a person who doesn’t understand anything beyond the thinnest veneer, but pretends others are as dense as he is.
You’re so confident in being right that you have to tacitly admit it’s not obvious and beg people to see it your way, again, on the basis of “trust me, bro.”
If you just wrote this bullshit to yourself and laughed at it since you’re the only person who thinks you’re funny or right, you could save yourself a lot of time. Or if you need the dopamine hit, talk to Grok and it can stroke your ego for you.
Anyone with critical analysis skills here is immune to your bullshit.
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I’m fairly convinced that the only reason that guy keeps coming back here is that he has a kink where he knows getting humiliated daily on this site is the only time he feels anything.
There is not a single thinking person who believes anything he says, and I imagine most people in his life have learned to just tune out his nonsense on the daily.
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“You’re the guy who was gloating about Charlie Kirk being dead and mocking conservatives for being upset about it, right?”
No, no I’m not. You must have the wrong person.
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It’s also darkly hilarious that he has a problem with people “celebrating” Charlie Kirk’s death but has no problem whatsoever with Trump celebrating the deaths of anyone who so much as slightly annoyed him.
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The “everyone named Tim is the same person” bingo square should just be the free square in the center of the card.
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Now say that to a mirror and you’ll be right at least once this week.
Would have been nice if he did that level of research BEFORE confirming Kennedy...
The problem with Cassidy is that he’s acting like he’s trying to convince Kennedy to change his mind on this. He’s not going to. Not ever. He’s made that clear.
If Cassidy wants to begin to try to fix the mess he left the nation in by voting in favor of RFK Jr’s nomination to his current position nothing short of constantly beating the ‘remove this lunatic from his position before he kills even more kids’ drum is going to do the trick.
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Not if he is killing more colored kids than white ones.
“You have measles. Here is a prescription for 3 leeches twice a day to suck out the poison and cow shit, crushed blow flies and stinging nettles (to help blood flow) poultices to be applied to the affected parts each night.”
So, does anyone know a good way to invest in leeches?
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There are companies that breed leeches that are actually used in healthcare. Leeches are for example used to promote blood-flow after a body part have been re-attached after an accident etc.
See ex https://www.biopharm-leeches.com
Note: This answer is the rational and mansplaining adjacent answer (or as some would say: ackshually) to a question posed because of RFK Jr’s irrational and non-scientific views on healthcare.
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All I’m saying is, the longer RFK and similar figures run the Department, the more money I’ll make in snake oil futures.
Re: Invest in leeches?
Do not. I’ve never met a leech who had a viable startup pitch.
All wrong
Pasteur was wrong.
Lister was wrong.
Koch was wrong.
And poor Fleming. Discovered penicillin, but there’s nothing harmful for it to cure.
At least that’s what Bobby’s brainworm says.