RFK Jr. Wipes His Hands Of This Whole Measles Outbreak Thing

from the CYA-jr. dept

In the year 2,000 (cue the Conan O’Brien music), America had so successfully defeated measles as a disease that we were awarded elimination status for the disease. Then Trump was elected to a second term, for reasons I still can’t fully explain, after which RFK Jr. somehow was confirmed as the Secretary of HHS. Almost simultaneously, a massive measles outbreak began in Texas, spreading to most of the other states in the union, with particularly bad outbreaks in Arizona, Utah, and North Carolina. The reason for the outbreak is clear in the CDC statistics: falling vaccination rates for the MMR vaccine allowed the disease to gain a foothold and spread. Meanwhile, Kennedy offered up confused and confusing messaging to the public as to what do about it, oscillating between muted calls for vaccinations, musing that everyone should just get measles for natural immunity, and declaring out loud that measles victims were at fault for not being healthy enough.

Because of his inept leadership on the matter, measles in 2026 is going to be even worse than 2025. We’re on pace to blow past last year’s numbers and, again, it’s because not enough people are getting vaccinated.

Kennedy is, of course, the living avatar of the anti-vaxxer movement. He didn’t create it, but he has worked very hard to propel it into popularity and, now, into government policy. He has everything to do with the current outbreak. But he recently faced Congress and said with a straight face that it has nothing to do with him. Instead, it was those dirty immigrants that are to blame.

But despite Kennedy being the most vocal source of vaccine misinformation, the secretary tried to blame the outbreaks entirely on immigrants who come to the U.S. from countries where measles is not eliminated — framing the issue as a global epidemic rather than a national public health crisis.

“It has nothing to do with me,” he told lawmakers. “If you’re worried about polio and tuberculosis, you should look at the immigration policies in this country. ’Cause the place where it’s occurring are the place[s] where the immigrants are going, because they’re not vaccinated.”

So, a couple of things to say here, both equally important. The scapegoating of immigrants over disease outbreaks is an American tradition going back centuries. It’s stupid, it’s wrong, and it’s plainly racist. I have no doubt that diseases can be spread through foreign visitors, as they can be by domestic travelers as well. But the desire to blame immigrants for whatever the outbreak du jour happens to be is so reliable and predictable that it’s silly. And if you don’t believe that this happens as a result of bigotry, well, you’re just plain wrong.

The other item on which to take note is the complete failure of leadership exhibited by Kennedy. In his remarks, Kennedy went into full CYA mode. He said he’s not anti-vaxx, but he absolutely is. He said the measles outbreak isn’t his responsibility, but he’s the fucking Secretary of Health and Human Services, and it absolutely is. He said dropping vaccination rates are due solely to how the American government responded to COVID-19, but that isn’t remotely the full story, given that vaccination rates experienced declines long before 2020, after which they fell sharply.

And the question that remains for Kennedy is a simple one: what are you doing about all of this? What do you even plan to do about all of this? The job doesn’t end by saying it’s immigrants at fault and then we move on. The disease still has to be combated and, right now, nobody is fighting the fight at the federal level. Instead, we’re talking about curtailing vaccine schedule guidance even further, or eliminating childhood vaccines altogether. Even if Kennedy sincerely wants to help in all of this, his messaging is so muddled and misguided that it isn’t getting through to the public.

Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-Mich.) expressed concern to Kennedy, a longtime anti-vaxxer, over the rising number of infectious disease cases such as measles and polio.

“Every patient, every child with measles should be treated with compassion. But I had seven cases just in the last couple of weeks in my county. The contagious spots have been grocery stores and colleges, you can’t stop it,” Dingell said of measles, the highly contagious disease that U.S. officials announced they eliminated in 2000.

“I’ve met with the family of one of them, and I said, ‘Why didn’t you get immunized?’” she continued. “And they said, ‘We’re listening to our government. Our government tells us not to.’”

Even if you wanted to argue that those people are wrong, they’re not making up lies when they say this. The message they’re getting from HHS is to not vaccinate. This is why public health policy needs to be very clear and in a language the average person can understand. These are life and death situations we’re talking about.

Kennedy’s comments read like an abdication of his responsibility. I can’t think of another way to describe his hand-washing of our current measles fiasco. And that’s one of many reasons he has to go.

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frankcox (profile) says:

So many things can't be contained

I’m not American and if all of the things that Trump and his circus clowns were just contained to and affected only the USA I would just be sitting back and saying, “You voted for this (twice, no less) so please continue to enjoy everything that you voted for.”

But this measles oubreak, and the Iran stuff, international trade, defense, and so many other things are being broken by a toddler who doesn’t understand what it is that he’s breaking.

If someone had come along in 2010 and prophesied that this would happen fifteen years later everyone would have written that prophet off as a crank.

I guess this (on top of the Covid fiasco) demonstrates the fragility of modern society and civilization.

Everything works fine, right up to the point that it doesn’t.

I don’t know if there is a way to shore it up and make the world’s operating principles more robust but if there is then it’s well past time to start working on that.

frankcox (profile) says:

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Do you enjoy demonstrating your brainlessness for all to see?

“Fuck yourself” is a last refuge taken idiots and incompetents who are incapable of handling a rational argument based on facts.

Furthermore, if Trump is getting elected by exploiting your system, then it’s on you to fix your system to prevent it.

You’ve only had 250 years to do that.

Until then, as I said, you’re welcome to enjoy the fruits of what you have voted for. The really unfortunate part is the spillover to the rest of the world.

MrWilson (profile) says:

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Do you enjoy demonstrating your brainlessness for all to see?

No, on the contrary, we all see that you’re full of shit. Thad speaks for a lot of us on this particular topic.

“Fuck yourself” is a last refuge taken idiots and incompetents who are incapable of handling a rational argument based on facts.

It’s very rational to blame an entire nation for a minority wielding unequal power through gerrymandering, voter suppression, corruption, et al.

“Fuck yourself” is also the only reasoned and well-cited response bullshit arguments deserve.

Furthermore, if Trump is getting elected by exploiting your system, then it’s on you to fix your system to prevent it.

You’ve only had 250 years to do that.

Everyone knows individuals are individually to blame for things completely outside of their individual power, including anything that occurred well before their lifetime. You are very smart, yes.

Until then, as I said, you’re welcome to enjoy the fruits of what you have voted for. The really unfortunate part is the spillover to the rest of the world.

Most Americans have not voted for Trump.

“…you can go fuck yourself” (Thad 5280589).

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Thad. Comment on “RFK Jr. Wipes His Hands Of This Whole Measles Outbreak Thing.” Techdirt, April 24th, 2026, https://www.techdirt.com/2026/04/23/rfk-jr-wipes-his-hands-of-this-whole-measles-outbreak-thing/#comment-5280589

MrWilson (profile) says:

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And the proverbial “ugly American” is heard from again.

Nah, telling off assholes who blame guiltless parties is a pretty universal human activity dating back to well before Vespucci got an unwarranted toponym.

It’s truly sad what has happened to your country.

You mean the world? Rob Ford was Canadian. Margaret Thatcher was British. Brexit didn’t happen in the US. Viktor Orbán didn’t lose his re-election bid in New York State. The Taliban might as well be the Southern Baptist Convention, but Afghanistan is a long plane ride from Georgia.

I sincerely hope you can fix it sometime,

Dragging innocent people is definitely the encouragement we need. Thanks, bro.

but I also hate to see you flushing the rest of the world down the drain along with you.

All people within arbitrary borders are the same and share equal guilt for anything assigned to them by third parties. This is known and valid. So say we all!

MrWilson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Ah, fuck me, I forgot this:

“…you can go fuck yourself” (Thad 5280589).

Works Cited

Thad. Comment on “RFK Jr. Wipes His Hands Of This Whole Measles Outbreak Thing.” Techdirt, April 24th, 2026, https://www.techdirt.com/2026/04/23/rfk-jr-wipes-his-hands-of-this-whole-measles-outbreak-thing/#comment-5280589

frankcox (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

It’s your country, you are a citizen of your country and it’s generally agreed that your country is descending into fascism (if it hasn’t already arrived).

So what action have you, personally, taken to fix your country? And no, posting comments on techdirt anonymously and under a pseudonym doesn’t count.

Have you voted? Have you personally run for office and/or taken concrete steps to support someone “sane” who is running for office by, I don’t’ know, handing out flyers, posting lawn signs, answering questions from prospective supporters who call in…?

Have you contacted your elected officials and provided your input and perspective? Have you volunteered with any civic organizations that may be able to influence your government?

Etc.

frankcox (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6

Frankly, no I haven’t.

I don’t understand why, when I raise what seem to me to be legitimate questions, your response is juvenile insults and profanity instead of addressing any of the points that I make. Do you consider that a rational and reasonable way to engage in a debate? “I know how to swear, so that means I win?”

What I’ve asked here over and over again, with no reasonable response ever received, is what has happened to the United States? For decades I’ve been hearing “Live free or die”, “Shining city on the hill”, “Land of the free” and on and on. But now, when you have literal masked secret police kidnapping people off of your streets, by and large everyone’s response is… crickets?

Where is the public outrage? Where are the immediate removals of the obviously unfit and unqualified from office? Where are the trials for treason against your country’s interest, not to mention stuff like insider trading and profiteering?

Was all of that earlier sloganeering just that? Empty slogans that never actually meant anything?

The major problem facing the world at the moment is what Donald Trump is doing to your country. People outside of your country can’t fix it for you since you would object to that and it wouldn’t work anyway. (Ask the Iranians how that whole regime change thing is working out for them.)

So… where’s the action? When were you planning to start fixing things for yourselves?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:7

“I don’t understand why, when I raise what seem to me to be legitimate questions, your response is juvenile insults and profanity instead of addressing any of the points that I make. Do you consider that a rational and reasonable way to engage in a debate? “I know how to swear, so that means I win?””

Newsflash: “I didn’t swear, so that means I win” isn’t a valid line of argument either, and the questions aren’t still legitimate when they’ve already been answered but you act like they haven’t and that you have the right for someone else to explain it to you again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

MrWilson (profile) says:

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I don’t understand why, when I raise what seem to me to be legitimate questions,>

I’ll stop you right there and say that your questions aren’t legitimate. You operate on a weird theory of moral liability that is about one (il)logical step away from blaming the Jews for not stopping the Holocaust.

You’re sealioning. You’re not actually being reasonable.

What I’ve asked here over and over again, with no reasonable response ever received,

You’re not the sole arbiter of what’s reasonable.

is what has happened to the United States?

Why are random Techdirt commenters required to provide you with a dissertation on America’s political history?

For decades I’ve been hearing “Live free or die”, “Shining city on the hill”, “Land of the free” and on and on.

A lot of the people who touted those phrases were just as disingenuous as you.

But now, when you have literal masked secret police kidnapping people off of your streets, by and large everyone’s response is… crickets?

You’re just admitting your ignorance here. Have you not read any US news since January of last year? This isn’t on Techdirt commenters. You’re calling citizens getting murdered while trying to stop illegal activities by the government crickets? Yeah, get the fuck out.

Where is the public outrage?

In the streets, getting tear gassed and beaten. Where is your ability to google the news coverage?

Where are the immediate removals of the obviously unfit and unqualified from office? Where are the trials for treason against your country’s interest, not to mention stuff like insider trading and profiteering?

Your questions answer themselves. If those things were easily done, we wouldn’t be in this situation in the first place.

Was all of that earlier sloganeering just that? Empty slogans that never actually meant anything?

You don’t appear to know enough to speculate on the topic.

So… where’s the action? When were you planning to start fixing things for yourselves?

If you can’t see that people are actually trying to do things, but are facing difficult odds, you’re not actually looking.

So yeah, fuck off with your ignorance and assumptions.

MrWilson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:9

I don’t live there so I’ll admit that maybe there’s something going on that I don’t know about.

So why would you ask questions that assume no one is doing anything and assert moral liability based on that assumption? You literally assigned blame and asserted just deserts. That’s not asking reasonable questions. That’s being an asshole.

But from where I sit, I haven’t seen anything change in your country other than for the worse.

Perhaps maybe random citizens aren’t capable of changing things on their own and we don’t possess magic mind control powers to force others to do what we want them to do. It’s like you’ve never met human beings before.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:7

I don’t understand why, when I raise what seem to me to be legitimate questions, your response is juvenile insults and profanity instead of addressing any of the points that I make.

The people who regularly comment here have seen your brand of bullshit before. It wasn’t any more endearing in the past than it is right now.

Consider the following: A week or so ago, I asked you whether AI-generated content that used the likenesses of famous actors (especially if they didn’t consent to that use) would ever be morally and ethically acceptable, and you responded with this: “What is your position on Elvis impersonators, and ‘tribute bands’ in general?” Rather than address the central premise of the question⁠—which you never did, by the by⁠—you asked a question that is only tangentially related (at best) to mine so you could dodge my question. You’re not looking to have a sincere exchange of ideas in the hopes of a shared understanding. No, you’re looking for an argument you have a better chance of “winning” and ducking out when you realize you’re out of your rhetorical league.

We’ve had plenty of trolls around here pull similar bullshit over the years. You won’t find many regulars around here willing to entertain it in good faith. If I’ve done it to you, it’s only because I’m too fucked up to know better⁠—but you can be sure that you won’t get the benefit of my doubt any more.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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And when you can’t win an argument or don’t understand how to debate a point, you regress to being about three years old and hurl insults, invective and profanity.

I understand how to debate a point: You look at the premise of the argument/question and address it directly. Being all stoic and “above emotion” while acting like a disingenuous asshole and JAQing off/sealioning doesn’t make your bullshit any less bullshit.

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MrWilson (profile) says:

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First, no one owes you an answer. The idea that you’re owed a response to disingenuous questions based on your bullshit premise of moral liability is just a conceit.

You know nothing about anyone else on this website, so why do you ask questions that assume no one has done anything?

Plenty of people have voted, have run for office, have contacted their representatives.

For those who have, do you expect even more? Should I build a billion dollar corporation so I can afford to more effectively lobby corrupt government officials, since that is far more influential than all the things you mentioned?

Do you expect me to storm the Bastille to meet your expectations?

Fuck right off.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:7

it’s your country and it’s up to you to fix it. “Outsiders” like me can’t do it for you.

Nobody asked you to fix it. You were asked about what actions you think people should be taking to fix it. So I’ll copypasta this question for you: What is something you believe like-minded Americans can band together and do to change anything in re: politics that is simultaneously possible, practical, and ethical?

frankcox (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:8

Again, I don’t believe it’s my place or my job to fix your country.

However, if you seriously want a suggestion that may even be actionable (and if you’re not going to have another toddler tantrum), my first recommendation is that you should form citizen’s committees or whatever it takes (petitions?) to ban gerrymandering and establish term limits for your senators and representatives.

Voting districts should be established solely on the basis of the distribution of population, and no representative should serve a term of more than, say, ten years. That gives enough time for the representative to learn the job and understand the issues without allowing “being a politician” to become a career.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:9

my first recommendation is that you should form citizen’s committees or whatever it takes (petitions?) to ban gerrymandering

Well, fun fact about that: Congressional Democrats introduced a bill to ban partisan gerrymandering, and the Republicans shot it down. The redistricting fights you’re seeing as of late are the direct result of Democrats metaphorically throwing elbows at the GOP and all but telling them “we’ll stop if you stop, assholes”.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:11

where are the citizen’s committees and the petitions and the demonstrations and the overwhelming push by the public to get this done?

You underestimate how hard it is for the average American to be involved in even local-level civics. It often takes more time than many Americans can afford to use on such endeavours, especially since more Americans are one missed paycheck away from homelessness than are one full paycheck away form being millionaires.

“We introduced a bill, it was defeated, I guess we’re done now” isn’t a great response

That’s why Democrats started putting redistricting up for votes to the general public⁠—like the redistricting push in Virginia that was recently approved by voters. The key difference is the Dems put the plan up for voters to decide on, whereas the GOP dictated redistricting through the legislature. And again, the whole point is for the Dems to play the same crooked game as the GOP until the GOP agrees to play fair (i.e., ban gerrymandering). This is actually a new development for Democrats, who’ve by and large been cowards about this sort of thing.

frankcox (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:12

I gotta say, that’s a much better and more interesting and informative response than “fuck off”. See, you can really do it when you try! Please attempt to continue to be civil.

So, to continue then: If you agree that this is a good thing that should be done, are there any steps you can take to move it along?

Would you like another suggestion, or at least something to think about? Remember, all of this is pretty much just off of the top of my head based on what I read about what’s going on in your country.

A lot of folks seem to live in a self-reinforcing echo chamber and are never exposed to a competing view or what you might call the “real world”. What is the origin of this? Your education system? Media capture? Something else?

Whatever it is (and I genuinely don’t know), is there anything you can do to expose people to a wider range of viewpoints and maybe show them how things really work? I know it’s tough to do when you’re talking to a 40-something redneck in a backwoods bar, but maybe there’s a less extreme “mushy middle” that would be receptive to a genuine dialog?

I’ve said here before that I always had a positive view of the USA, pre-Donald Trump. He (and his henchmen) have managed to destroy that reputation in my eyes and in the eyes of most of the people who I associate with on a daily basis. It’s a damn shame and I really, sincerely, hope you can fix it.

My grandmother used to tell me that it takes a lifetime to build a reputation and three minutes to destroy it.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:13

Please attempt to continue to be civil.

For that, please attempt to go fuck yourself at your earliest convenience.

If you agree that this is a good thing that should be done, are there any steps you can take to move it along?

Not really. You vastly overestimate the sociopolitical power of anyone who isn’t already in office or worth at least eight figures. Well, that, or you’re doing some sort of “I’m being an ignorant dumbass on purpose” schtick⁠—which seems far more likely, given the overall vibe of your posts.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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There’s a simultaneous measles outbreak in Canada — which of course Techdirt, as Amerocentric as it is, probably doesn’t even know is happening — and it sure as hell ain’t being driven by ‘illegals’: it’s unvaccinated locals. In particular, it’s rural folk, religious folk, and people who bought into anti-vax nonsense over COVID.

It’s fortunate that there’s still a strong baseline vaccination rate in the major cities to firebreak things, but there are rural towns where the vaccination rate drops well below herd immunity levels that this outbreak is going through like the Grim Reaper.

On the one hand this means that fingering Mr. Kennedy as the sole reason the U.S. outbreak is this bad isn’t entirely accurate (because there are other outbreaks in places he has no jurisdiction), but, on the other, all the outbreaks are getting made worse or were allowed to happen by anti-vaccination sentiments being tolerated or even encouraged by governments, so he can’t evade responsibility for that.

MrWilson (profile) says:

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On the one hand this means that fingering Mr. Kennedy as the sole reason the U.S. outbreak is this bad isn’t entirely accurate (because there are other outbreaks in places he has no jurisdiction),

Wait, you can’t blame him for the outbreak under his purview because there are outbreaks in areas that aren’t under his purview? That doesn’t make any sense. If we claimed he was responsible for all outbreaks everywhere, you might have a point. But he’s specifically responsible for the area under his purview, whether or not he’s contributed to it. It’s worse that he’s making it worse, but even if he just weren’t doing anything, it would still be bad because it’s his fucking job to deal with this situation regardless of the cause.

but, on the other, all the outbreaks are getting made worse or were allowed to happen by anti-vaccination sentiments being tolerated or even encouraged by governments, so he can’t evade responsibility for that.

He’s also actively contributed to the anti-vaccine sentiments elsewhere. In the same way that measles doesn’t give a fuck about borders, stupidity can cross borders.

Anonymous Coward says:

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I think you’ve misread my point.

Kennedy can’t be the only reason the U.S. has an outbreak, because outbreaks are happening in places he can’t strongly influence, and those other outbreaks also point to the fact that even if Kennedy was responding in better fashion the U.S. might well be suffering one.

The upshot of this is not that Kennedy isn’t a lying fraud who should be tried for crimes against humanity, like the rest of the Trump regime, but that he cannot be treated as a scapegoat — removing him from any power is a necessary first step but the antivaccination movement is not a one-man operation, and it needs to be countered root and branch somehow.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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Kennedy can’t be the only reason the U.S. has an outbreak

Given his anti-vax views, the position of power in which he currently sits, and the willingness of his fans/followers/fellow MAGA cult members to listen to him? He is, at the bare minimum, one of the primary factors behind the measles outbreak in the U.S.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4

I think you’d be having a measles outbreak with or without him, since places without him are also having one and for reasons that are common with the one in the U.S.

What he’s doing is making it worse than it might otherwise be. The point here, though, is that if you fired him today and replaced him with someone sane, all those other factors would remain and still have to be dealt with.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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if you fired him today and replaced him with someone sane, all those other factors would remain and still have to be dealt with

And I’d bet on someone sane trying harder than RFK is right now to get the outbreak under better control and prevent the next one from happening/getting larger than a handful of people. That sane person would still have to deal with anti-vaxxers, yes, but at least they’d be able to act like they give a shit about science and public health beyond “maybe we all just need to eat better”.

MrWilson (profile) says:

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No, I got your point. And I’m saying it’s downplaying his role.

I’m not saying Junior is the cause for measles existing in the US. But he is responsible for dealing with it and his response has been to make it worse by encouraging anti-vax stances and policies and silencing the voices of experts and scientists and doctors.

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MrWilson (profile) says:

To be fair to Junior, the Health and Human Services Secretary, he doesn’t consider immigrants to be human, so it wouldn’t occur to him that even if his bigoted scapegoating of immigrants as the source of the outbreak were actually true, it would still fall under the purview of his job to address it.

Which brings me back to my assertion that the only humanity you have the power to deny is your own. Junior isn’t just a worm-ridden racist. He’s made himself inhuman by being inhumane.

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Walsh says:

Measles is still a trivial health problem in U.S., but seems a handy political weapon to some partisans.

According to NIH, in the 1950s an annual average of about 500,000 cases of measles and nearly 500 deaths due to measles were reported in the United States.
Surveys indicated that 95% of the population had been infected with Measles by age 15.

The Measles vaccine arrived in 1963.

Then and today the Seasonal FLU is a vastly greater health issue, but not easy to exploit politically.

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Rocky (profile) says:

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It’s only trivial if you ignore the lasting health problems associated with having had measles which can lead to deaths later on and which aren’t attributed to measles in the statistics – like pneumonia and encephalitis.

You should really look up the health risks associated with measles before calling it “trivial”.

MrWilson (profile) says:

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Measles is still a trivial health problem in U.S., but seems a handy political weapon to some partisans.

“It’s fine to let people be infected by preventable diseases as long as there are worse diseases they can also be infected by!”

Great logic here. Everyone knows diseases and health issues are always mutually exclusive. Measles shows up in the body and puts out an “occupied” sign and all the other diseases just keep moving. That’s why you’re safe to eat medium rare chicken tenders when you have the measles because salmonella is told by the body that there are no vacancies.

Then and today the Seasonal FLU is a vastly greater health issue, but not easy to exploit politically.

I recall this being a common talking point among the “let Grandma die of covid because I want to lick doorknobs” crowd during the pandemic.

David says:

The hearings were an idiocy

Basically they went “Is it your fault?” “No, it isn’t” all the way through.

What they should have been is “Is it your responsibility?”.

No → “what are you being paid for again?”
Yes → “what are you doing about it?”

Congress is too focused about fault-finding to bother with finding solutions. It is pretty clear that no solution will be arrived at with RJK Jr at the helm of the HHS agency, so clearly he needs to be removed. But people are too focused on what cause they may remove him for when they really should be clear for what purpose they need to get him out of the way.

Putting an idiot at the helm of HHS is a huge waste of resources. To recognize that, you don’t need to find the idiot at fault. You just need to get rid of him.

Kinetic Gothic says:

For every question, there is an answer that is simple, easy to understand, and wrong…

“it’s those d*mn brown people” , works until you point out that these outbreaks are spreading in communities of vaccine adverse white US born Christian Fundamentalists. So even if they were brought in by an immigrant (and not an unvaxxed US Citizen traveling abroad , as has been documented repeatedly) these unvaxxed clusters of US citizens, are what offer the outbreak fertile ground to grow.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

RFK Jr. is a eugenicist who seems to think of healthy and sick people as two distinct ontological categories⁠—both of which are (to him and other like-minded people) functions of race, class, and perceived dietary purity⁠—where neither group needs modern healthcare because they’re either not sick or too sick to be saved. I’d love to see someone prove me wrong, especially RFK himself, but I’d also bet money that it won’t happen in my lifetime.

Wombat says:

If you look at the chart, a couple things come out. To me, at least.

First, the spikes in 2014 and 2019 do not correlate with lower vaccination rates.

Second, the vaccination rates in the chart vary by up to about 3 percent.

Third, no source for the chart is provided. Thus, no source for the data is provided. Mean/median from what measurements? Of what population? Don’t know from the chart.

I do not doubt that our author here came by the chart honestly, but that does me little good in trying to understand what it is trying to portray.

A fairly obvious thing it is saying is “vaccination rates dipped ‘dramatically’ after the 2019 outbreak.” But… dramatically? 2.5%?

One possible conclusion is that “herd immunity” and containment of outbreaks is exceptionally sensitive to how close to 100% the immunization rate is.

Another possible conclusion is that clusters of anti-vaxers have increased (the median rate being much lower than the mean rate).

Something I need to know, though, is whether these are mean and median rates of “the population as a whole”, or just “the population who would be qualified on the immunization schedule”. “3% of people who would normally get vaccinated” is a whole lot less than “3% of everyone”.

And yes, nuances make for a story that is less clear. But that holds true for Section 230 stories, for immigration stories, for ALL stories.

Not saying that RFK jr is not an evil and incompetent f#$* who needs to be removed from office. Just that the chart provided as evidence of vaccination vs measles cases isn’t doing the story any favors.

Kinetic Gothic says:

Re:

The biggest problem with the chart, is not what you pointed out, it’s that it doesn’t include 2025, and 2026, so far.

But for your points, the majority of the 2014, and 2019 outbreaks were in the Ohio Amish, and NY, Orthodox Jewish communities , which have a very historically low vaccination rate, but since that’s a constant and the communties are fairly small, so it doesn’t show as a drop in the national average.

And yes, that 2.5 percent drop can be a big thing, because it pushes the average under the ideal 95% percent threshold, that means that the disease , once introduced, can get “out of the box” so to speak.. it’s below the threshold that stops community spread.

Anonymous Coward says:

“I’ve met with the family of one of them, and I said, ‘Why didn’t you get immunized?’” she continued. “And they said, ‘We’re listening to our government. Our government tells us not to.’”

They’re only willing to listen to– and claim as “our government”– this regime. If Democrats were in power they’d be doing neither of those things.

But, they’re perfectly happy to listen to the current government, because it eagerly validates all their idiocy for them. And of course it does, it’s full of sociopathic con artists and morons as willfully ignorant as the maga themselves.

terribly tired (profile) says:

If someone had come along in 2010 […]

I’ve been absolutely certain the US was headed to where it’s currently at since the Patriot Act, and nothing I’ve seen or heard since has changed my outlook in the slightest. At least not for the better.

And yes, I’ve been called any number of things by pretty much everyone I’ve ever told, including close friends and family. I’ve been calling Israel genocidal cockwombles for just as long, and the same has applied, with similar results.

It’s been a few years since any of them last piped up.

I guess this (on top of the Covid fiasco) demonstrates the fragility of modern society and civilization.

Yeah, I’m pretty sure we’re fucked when the next pandemic comes along. The US and a few other places are going to be the end of us all.

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dfbomb (profile) says:

All I’m going to say is that when I snorted cocaine off toilet seats in shitty dive bars I never once thought “Hey you know what? I should be the head of HHS and lead global scientific medicinal practice and thought.”

Apparently I was underestimating myself.

This fucking leathery, human-shaped whoopie-cushion can fuck all the goddamned way off.

That One Guy (profile) says:

'Just because I'm in charge doesn't mean I have any power to DO anything!'

I mean I get RFK Jr’s frustration, why in the world would congress be grilling him over something that he has no responsibility for or any influence to change, it’s not like he was given a position where he’d have any authority on how the government responds to diseases or anything and has spent the entire time since then sabotaging it and filling it with pro-plague lunatics and/or frauds…

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