America’s Diminished Place In The World And The Consequences Of Not Impeaching

from the forfeiting-the-future dept

It has long been clear: Trump needs to be removed from office before he can inflict even more damage than he already has. But he doesn’t just need to be stopped; for America to have a future he also needs to be repudiated. Impeachment speaks to each need, to both make clear his behavior is beyond anything we would ever tolerate as well as remove his capacity to continue it.

But by not even attempting to impeach him, or any of his malign administration officials, he not only remains able to wreak more destruction but he now does it with Congress’s blessing. Instead of being repudiated, his behavior is endorsed. Because one could fairly conclude that if anyone in Congress had an issue with what Trump is doing, then surely they would try to do something to stop it with the power they have. Yet, with the so far sole exception of Representative Green, who has actually tried, twice, to file impeachment articles against Trump, no one—from any party—has filed any against anyone.

Obviously many in Congress do in fact object to what Trump does—there are tweets and speeches saying as much. But it’s all sound and fury signifying nothing. Tweets and speeches do not amount to any sort of useful action. And through inaction the only message we’re sending is that no one thinks it is worth doing anything more.

A stunned and increasingly wounded world is now coming to terms with the realization that Trump’s disqualifying misbehavior is the sort of thing can happen in America, and moreover, the sort of thing that will be allowed to happen in America. His abuse of power—as well as his warmongering, war criming, corruption, ignorance, incompetence, racism, and range of other unconstitutional, illegal, and even criminal activities—is apparently something not just possible under our constitutional order but enabled. As we watch an addled monster drive us all towards disaster, with the rest of the U.S. government willingly along for the ride and no one with the constitutional authority even trying to apply the brakes, one is left to conclude that, at best, our vaunted Constitution must not provide an effective immune system to address Trump’s antidemocratic malfeasance, or, worse, that Americans are fine with all of it, because, even if there were a mechanism to stop him, there’s apparently no one with the authority to trigger it who thinks it’s worth bothering with. Both conclusions paint a very different picture of what sort of country the United States is than most had previously imagined, and it is this re-envisioning of America that will affect how others let the country and its people live in the wider world even after Trump is finally gone.

Of course, there is actually an immune system. The fundamental power to remove Trump from office—impeachment—is still there, as provided by the Constitution; the issue is that no one is willing to use it. And that unwillingness is ultimately what the world is judging, because when they wonder why no one is using it, it’s impossible to avoid concluding that no one else in the government of the United States of America, despite everything Trump is doing, thinks there’s actually a problem to address.

Perhaps this conclusion is unfair, though, so let’s take a moment to consider whether there could be any sort justification for Congress’s inaction. And, more specifically, the Democratic members of Congress, because while it’s an indefensible abdication of their own oath of office for Republican members of Congress to refuse to police Trump, because in theory he’s their guy, it’s something else for the political opposition to also refuse to, especially when he’s supposedly not their guy at all.

Perhaps that opposition may begin to explain the reluctance to take action: for better or worse, Trump was duly elected President and in general it is a good thing if democratic expressions of political will are respected, even, and especially, by those who disagree with them. As Trump himself illustrates, de-legitimizing election results is not healthy for a sustainable democracy. There may also be the pragmatic concern that taking aim at someone the people chose is bad politics, because it will antagonize the electorate so that they never vote for you, although recent polls and election results strongly suggest that this fear is unfounded. Furthermore, Trump never should have been on the ballot in the first place. As an ineligible insurrectionist he never was someone that Americans should have been able to choose to be President, and that he was nevertheless voted into office already means his reign is inherently illegitimate, and in a way that undermines our democracy more than if its legitimacy were challenged. But even setting his eligibility doubts aside, it’s one thing to acknowledge Trump as the legitimately-elected President. But it’s another entirely to allow him, as President, more power than the office actually grants him and shrug off the unconstitutional ways he abuses it. The Constitution only grants him so much, and no one has the right to grant him more by failing to check him when he has nevertheless taken it.

Perhaps some of the reluctance to press for impeachment is out of the concern that, terrible president or no, Congress still has a job to do to run the country, and bad things can happen if it turns its attention away. But this sort of mis-prioritization can’t withstand scrutiny either. For one thing, bad things are already happening by not acting to stop Trump. And not just all the bad things he’s doing, but all the bad things that Congress is doing too, like not passing ACA subsidies, or spending its time instead doing antidemocratic things like trying to pass First Amendment-violating legislation to censor the Internet, as if this moment of looming autocracy were a good time to join in on the constitutional violations too.

Perhaps the reticence to pursue impeachment is motivated by the desire to remain cordial with colleagues across the aisle, in the hopes that it could lead to mutually-negotiated solutions. If so, however, it doesn’t seem like such politesse is paying off particularly well—after all, those ACA subsidies still haven’t been passed, and Trump remains in office, doing things that hurt Americans, including the constituents of both Democrats and Republicans, along with the rest of the world and our standing in it. While it is true that there have been some small successes managing to restrain Trump here and there using more traditional political pressure, at best such efforts are like trying to drain the ocean with a teaspoon, one issue at a time, while meanwhile a deluge of chaos drowns us all. Congress has still left us all defenseless to danger that by not even trying to do what it would take to stop it.

And even if the concern about bringing impeachment now is that it wouldn’t have the votes to pass, it would still be bad math. First, by not pressing impeachment it prevents the political calculus from evolving so that there could come to be enough votes—no one needs to join the push for it if there’s no push happening. And it makes it doubtful that there would ever be enough votes, not even after midterms—assuming, of course, that an unchecked Trump doesn’t do something to interfere with them happening. If Congress is waiting for voters to send them more colleagues who will join them in impeaching, voters will need to know that there is an impeachment effort to be joined. Yet so far there is none. Not impeaching sends the signal that impeachment isn’t warranted, and if it isn’t warranted by now, there’s little reason for anyone to think that those already not bothering to try are ever going to change their mind and start.

Ultimately, no matter what members of Congress tell themselves to try to justify why they have acquiesced to Trump instead of playing the best card the Constitution gave them to stop him, all of those excuses ultimately fall flat. Trump is destroying America, but by refusing to use the tools the Constitution gave them to stop him, it is Congress that is finishing it off for good. Not just by letting him wreck everything we’ve built for 250 years, and the lives and liberties—as well as global and economic stability—that depended on the Constitution’s promise being fulfilled. But by doing nothing it instead sends the very loud message, now reverberating around the globe, that everything he and his subordinates are doing is fine, when the reality is anything but.

And the world is noticing. When they look at America they see it not as a strong, stalwart ally, but a frail country with weak civic institutions vulnerable to capture, indifferent to such a fate as long as it doesn’t affect the price of eggs, and possibly not even then. Worse, as Congress refuses to defend America from the exigent danger Trump represents to it and the world, and through its inaction instead enable it, the world is left to conclude that Trump is what America wants, because no one governing it is saying otherwise.

Without a sign that America does not want Trump, other countries are forced to presume it does and act accordingly, even when doing so is bad for themselves and the future—and even us. Not only does it mean they can’t support us in our effort to rid ourselves of him, because there is no effort to support, but in the absence of any official pushback they have little choice but to accept him as legitimate, even though doing so only reinforces the power he is abusing and makes reclaiming America from his lawless grasp that much harder to eventually effect.

Yet there seems to be this naïve belief held by many of the same cowered members of Congress currently doing nothing that somehow the problem will magically resolve, and once Trump is somehow eventually out of office America will simply be welcomed back to the world stage as a respected member of the global order. As if all we need to do is wait for his chaotic storm to pass and then we can all pick up where we left off. And as if the world will simply forgive and forget the real and often irreparable harm Trump has been inflicting, far beyond America’s borders, and that America has been refusing to even try to lift a finger to stop.

The world will not. Failing to impeach, among all its other infirmities, is a long-term foreign policy problem. Without impeachment, to not just dislodge Trump from office so he can no longer hurt us anymore but unequivocally condemn the harm he has already inflicted, and not just on ourselves, we will be resented, and rightly so. Not for what Trump has himself done, but for what we have been glad to let him do to us all.

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frankcox (profile) says:

I never thought I would be in this position

I am not an American but all of my life it’s been pretty much taken for granted by both me and everyone around me that the US is a benign force for good in the world.

Not that everything has always worked out as well as it might have, of course, but we’ve generally accepted that if the USA is doing (or not doing) something, then there’s probably a good reason for it.

This applies to everything from drug approvals to, I suppose, declarations of war.

No more, though. I no longer believe that the USA has the best interests of the wider world (let alone Americans themselves) at heart when they act.

And this should be a real ignominy and embarassment for everyone involved.

I still don’t see how Donald Trump was elected once, let alone for a second time.

Are Americans really that illiterate and unenlightened? On the available evidence, apparently so.

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Thad (profile) says:

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Not that everything has always worked out as well as it might have, of course, but we’ve generally accepted that if the USA is doing (or not doing) something, then there’s probably a good reason for it.

I dunno, man, that’s a hell of a thing to say after Vietnam and Iraq.

Yes, Trump is the worst and most destructive president yet. But it’s not like he came out of nowhere. This has been building for over fifty years. There were signs.

Are Americans really that illiterate and unenlightened?

I make no excuses for my countrymen who thought putting Trump back into office was a swell idea. But it seems like they’re hardly the only ones who’ve had trouble drawing obvious conclusions from ample historical evidence.

frankcox (profile) says:

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The original intent of the Vietnam war was to attempt to bottle up the Soviet Union and prevent the spread of their ideology/interest through South Asia. If the Viet Cong succeeded it could lead to the collapse of other democratic governments in that area.

Iraq was intended to prevent the development and use of “weapons of mass destruction”.

Both of those are examples of stuff that started out with some semblance of good intentions. Neither worked out well, of course, but that part came later on. Sadly, Iraq ultimately ended up worse off than it was originally and Vietnam was just an overall fiasco with great losses of life.

Since nobody has a crystal ball, I still credit the USA with at least a modicum of good intentions in both cases.

Today, though, not so much.

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MrWilson (profile) says:

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Iraq was intended to prevent the development and use of “weapons of mass destruction”.

Both of those are examples of stuff that started out with some semblance of good intentions.

Holy fuck no. Dubya had no good intentions. He started a useless war knowing full well that there was no reliable intelligence indicating Hussein had any WMD capabilities. And the US had armed Iraq against Iran in the 80s, so we already knew a lot on top of current intelligence and satellite footage and human intel sources.

Have you not read the news since 2002?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

Anonymous Coward says:

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When those ideas have a high body count?

The ideas don’t have a body count; the people co-opting and perverting the ideas created that. And I don’t get the impression that the people of Vietnam are generally grateful to the U.S. for “saving” them.

If the U.S. doesn’t like some country’s government, they can try to convince the people to turn against it. Like with Voice of America or by dropping pamphlets.

Anonymous Coward says:

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From a utilitarian perspective, it would just invite more retaliation from Trump

And?

Even if it fails it still signals what he is doing is not okay. And if he retaliates because of it you have more ammo for the next attempt.

Trump is a bully and will always act like a bully. If you dont stand up to him he will keep walking over you and just threaten to do worse next time. If you stand up to him then he chickens out.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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From a utilitarian perspective, it would just invite more retaliation from Trump.

So what?

Donald Trump will not suddenly become a better person if the House and the Senate fall under enough Democratic control that impeachment and conviction are all but assured. If someone refuses to impeach Donald Trump because they fear what he might do if he’s impeached, they’re a coward. And that besides, what he does in retaliation might itself be worthy of impeachment⁠—which is all the more reason to impeach him in the first place.

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Heart of Dawn (profile) says:

Electing Trump once was a mistake. Electing him again was a choice. And even once Trump is gone, there is absolutely no sign from anyone that America won’t make the same choice over and over again. Hell, looking at his probable successors, Vance and Johnson, I fully expect things to get worse.

As it stands, it looks like the only hope for the rest of us is that they double down on the isolationist “America First” policies and continue to slide the country into economic, political, cultural, and militarial irrelevance. The rest of the world is already looking to move on without you.

Candescence (profile) says:

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I think you’re worrying a bit too much here. Trump was elected on the back of the inflation-driven anti-incumbent wave that destroyed multiple incumbent governments in elections around that time period, on top of Biden’s advanced age, Harris having a limited time to establish herself in the public sphere as the Democrat candidate and her refusal to form a clean break from herself and Biden – rightly or wrongly, people perceived Biden as having not done nearly enough on inflation and cost of living issues. Trump has done literally nothing to deal with affordability issues, if anything he’s only made things worse, and the electorate have noticed that in a big way.

The other thing to keep in mind that Trump has a cultural foothold few other people have, and a bizarre “charisma” that draws a specific type of voter that normally doesn’t turn out for elections. When he’s not on the ballot, the Republicans tend to do horribly (and they’re already doing really badly in special elections). Trump literally can’t run again, all of his potential successors have the charisma of a dead fish (the very idea of JD Vance running as the GOP nominee is hilarious, he has no fucking chance in hell), and Trump in his second term is now so unpopular already that anyone associated with his administration will have him as an albatross around their necks.

I’m not exaggerating when I say that 2028 may end up being a shoe-in for the Democrats – even the worst viable candidate would trounce anyone the Republicans might nominate. Hell, it might be the best possible opportunity for someone like AOC to take a shot at it. And that’s not even getting into how much the Democrats can do if they have the senate alongside a Dem president post-2028, which would likely mean the death of the filibuster, establishing DC as a state, major voting reforms that Biden couldn’t pass because of Manchin and Sinema, Medicare-For-All (or even just a public option), etc.

terribly tired (profile) says:

Re: Re: "Worrying a bit too much"?

From the outside, it sure do be looking to me like you lot are worrying way, way less than you should be. Not a single brownshirt killed to date, that I’m aware of. In the gun-and-death-worshipping nation that has spent the better part of a century shouting about how they saved everyone from fascism and how no one else did a damn thing in comparison. How many of you are they going to be allowed to kill, maim, deport, stuff in concentration camps, or all of the above, before you wake up to what needs doing?

Dems could completely steamroll the repugnants in the next election, and it wouldn’t matter much. The US has now repeatedly demonstrated it’s broadly fine with fascism and paedophilia in highest office. No one with half a brain expects that to magically change over night.

Given the long, steady decline of US public education, one catastrofuck of a President could maybe be swept under the (extremely large) rug, if I were feeling incredibly generous, but this time they knew full well what they were voting for – still they chose the orange Halfwit King.

The US currently represents a national-security threat to quite literally everyone, and that leaves governments with no choice but to plan accordingly. Pax Americana is no more. Thank your repbulican neighbours.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Tbf, most of them voted for Kamala.

Problem is, others wanted Biden, despite his horrendous debate against Trump.

That, her laugh (a minor one, but still), and the fact she didn’t rule out helping Israel very much killed her momentum.

Given the long, steady decline of US public education
Something the dems can & will fix.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Given the long, steady decline of US public education
Something the dems can & will fix.

Sure they will.

If the democrats have taught me anything these last 10 years, its that they won’t miss a chance to fail.

They may not be as evil as republicans. There are a few that actually try hard and are good. But collectively they are ineffective at government.

If only our voting choices were not between picking the better of two turds. 3rd party is a nice dream but they dont have enough support to actually be elected into meaningful positions of power in high enough numbers.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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her laugh

At best, someone who has trouble articulating why they didn’t vote for Kamala will bring up her laugh and say “yeah, that’s why” because it’s a tangible detail about her that they remember. At worst, someone who claims they didn’t vote for her because of her laugh is outright lying to you.

MrWilson (profile) says:

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“Her laugh” was seen by some very stupid people who thought it was a believable excuse instead of their bigotry. She wasn’t perfect, but the people who didn’t like her for legitimate reasons could at least name them. I don’t think any of them justified letting Trump back in, but at least they were honest.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Thank your repbulican neighbours.

We can also thank people like Stephen T. Stone who think that we should only fight back as the absolute total last resort, which just so happens to be when we have next to no chance of winning after the fascists gain control of all levers of power.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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Three things.

  1. I voted for Kamala, not Trump, so I did my part in trying to keep the bastard out of office.
  2. “Fighting back” does not always mean “violence”, and I will not endorse violence as anything but a tool of last resort to be used only when all other options for resistance are non-viable.
  3. That “let’s shame the guy I don’t know but have an obsession with because he isn’t full of unbridled bloodlust for the GOP” bullshit should have stayed where I thought you left it months ago: in your head.
Anonymous Coward says:

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The government is building a registry of trans people, a registry of people on the autism spectrum, and a registry of legal immigrants, all to target those groups. I don’t want to get sent to one of RFK Jr.’s “wellness farms” because people like you preached non-violent protest all the way up until they start really rounding people up.

And when your idea of “fighting back” and “consequences” includes “Courts giving the Trump Administration a 100th warning and finger-wag with nothing actually happening”, then yeah, I think you deserve some flak. I mean, you’ve also said “Institutions will not save you” but then said “Finally, consequences!” when the courts got angry but did literally nothing yet again.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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For God knows how long, you’ve been trying to emotionally blackmail me into abandoning my beliefs about violence and endorsing violence (possibly including lethal violence) against the state. I am fully aware that things are fucking dire for a lot of people in the US right now⁠—especially transgender people. But I am not ready to call for a civil war, which is the endgame of the kind of violence you apparently want me to endorse, and start killing people in the streets.

The problem with your emotional blackmail attempts is that they have no bottom. You’ll either demand that I endorse greater violence or beg me to endorse violence in defense of ever-broadening demographics until you’re basically asking me to be violent for the sake of violence. I will do neither of those things, no matter how much you try to make me feel shame or guilt for all the bad things happening that are entirely out of my control.

You might think I believe in suicidal pacifism; I do not. You might think I believe defense of self or others can only be justified one picosecond before a bullet enters a body; I do not. You might want to be violent; I do not. My beliefs about violence remind me how violence is easy to perform and the consequences of violence are impossible to undo, which is why I believe violence should absolutely be the option of last resort.

I know that I sit from a place of privilege when I say these things. I’m not in the line of fire, so to speak. And people whose lives are in more immediate danger will think of violence much differently than I do. But despite what you think about me, I’m not going to tell those people “hey, let the state kill you, it’s better than being violent” because I’m not that fucking stupid.

I’m not too proud to beg, so I’m begging you: Stop obsessing over my position on violence as if I’m a world-renowned philosopher or important media figure instead of a random shithead with way too much free time.

MrWilson (profile) says:

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I don’t want to get sent to one of RFK Jr.’s “wellness farms” because people like you preached non-violent protest all the way up until they start really rounding people up.

Holy misdirected outrage, Batman!

Yes, it will definitely be Stephen’s fault for making comments on a random website instead of the fault of…you know…the actual fascists doing actual fascism!

Read up on the Spanish Civil War, specifically about how the Republicans (as in Spanish Republic centrists, not GOP style conservatives) and those further left (anarcho-syndicalists, communists, etc.) ended up in-fighting to the benefit of the fascists. Foreign support from Nazi Germany and fascist Italy helped the fascists significantly, but strangling the guy next to you because he’s not extreme enough for your preferences is the real suicidal act you’re embracing here.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Stop focusing ion politics...start focusing on people (you chose them, and let them roll)

I am actually glad for where you are (not for those of you living there), but our own politicians have watched it and walked back from just blindly following the US. Thank you. Unfortunately, you’re still exporting your radical extremist violent religions…please take them back and send them to Mormon counselling :), or shoot them; you do have the guns for it. PS – how’s your murdered terrorist school deaths this year?? Once a great country – now we all like China better – hey at least they are upfront on the whole 1942 thing. (yep my opinion in 32 words or less, it’s actually way more nuanced but who listens these days)

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MrWilson (profile) says:

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Your comment is a prime example of the fact that TDS is a term used by sycophantic bootlickers who pretend like being legitimately concerned about the destructive narcissistic malicious machinations of a child-raping greedy corrupt president of a large country with global influence and nuclear weapons is “derangement.” Derangement would be like thinking immigrants were eating dogs or committing massive amounts of voter fraud without any evidence.

I am not a Trump fan, but

This phrase always precedes absolute bullshit and lies.

ECA (profile) says:

The Difficulty Iv seen

Tends to be HOW to get rid of ALL the Idiots in state and federal gov.
Running petitions is getting harder and harder, as they have Specific rules to do so. And most time they only hit the Metro area’s.
Even heard about a state congress ignoring petitions.
I love comments I see, that deny Socialism, but dont give an alternative, as the USA seems to be Some sort of Communalist or Capitalist Combo.
Its an internal battle of Corps trying to control Rich persons incharge. And its working.
I like asking others, Which they like best, Socialism or Corps controlling everything. Problem is they dont know the difference. All they have been told is Socialism is Bad.

Anonymous Coward says:

It does seem a little premature to blame Democrats for not trying to impeach when they don’t have enough votes to succeed. At least let them win the midterms first.

Because then you can reprint this exact article in December and it will be 100% spot on. And don’t get me wrong, I’m 100% sure Democrats won’t move to impeach even if they win a majority, but until they have a majority, they also have a pretty good excuse for waiting. Not that they should, but if they’re guaranteed to fail (because no Republican is jumping ship) then, well, they have a point.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Hooray to all you giants of perception and analysis.

Perhaps you coukd explain this in relation to all the other performative nonsense and straight-up awful ideas and legislation on which they spend their time. An impeachment attempt at any time may be performative, but it isn’t nonsense, it is a valid message and staking of a position.

JasonC (profile) says:

America does not have the stomach to deal with the deliberate malfeasance as it should be dealt with.

Republicans should be ostracized into the same inhospitable land as Nazis once were, but even if Democrats gain control of the government, they won’t do a damn thing to actually ensure this never happens again.

America is already lost. People are just sticking around for the credits now.

Anonymous Coward says:

Well, there’s your blind spot.

The article manages to ignore the role of money in politics, and of wealth inequality as the driving force behind the destruction of democracy.

American democracy is practically dead. Research has shown that the will of the average voter is powerless against the funds of rich donors. Citizens United put the final nail in the coffin. After that, it was just a matter of time for a wrecking ball like Trump to turn up. He is a symptom, not the disease.

Poor people don’t care for democracy, because it has served them badly. Rich people don’t care for democracy, because it (or what remains of it) hinders them in extracting even more wealth.

Do not hope for impeachment or any other procedure to save you. The balance of power has shifted too far to the side of money.

Candescence (profile) says:

For what it’s worth, the Democrats probably will impeach after the midterms, especially if they regain control of the senate. But right now it’ll likely not even get a floor vote. That’s pretty much the reason why they haven’t tried impeaching Trump a third time. The Jan 6th impeachment got the most senate votes for conviction in history, but possibly not as many as could be because McConnell punted the whole thing until the new congress when Trump was out of office anyway, making it easier for Republicans to justify voting for acquittal.

Unfortunately, the vote threshold to convict was set up at a time when many of the founding fathers had active disdain for the concept of political parties and the idea of today’s hyper-partisanship was virtually unthinkable. The only time when it was really possible was during Nixon’s tenure, only for him to resign willingly and get pardoned by his successor. Fox News was literally established in response to Watergate, by political operators who wanted to make sure that another Republican president would never be brought down in the same way again.

The US constitution and systems of government need major reforms. It would be difficult to enact, but trying and failing is better than not trying at all.

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MrWilson (profile) says:

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“…for free.”

Sure, aside from the billions in oil we’re taking.

We’re not freeing Iran, we’re murdering children. The regime is still in power. And that’s also not free as in beer. We’re paying more for almost everything when oil prices increase. And we aren’t getting the illegal tariff pay.ents back either.

When you say “free,” you mean neither libre or gratis.

You also don’t get to vote for illegal wars. That’s not how democracy or representation works in a constitutional democratic republic.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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We freed Venezuela

Didn’t the people working under Maduro immediately take power and do pretty much nothing to change anything Maduro was doing before he was abducted by the United States military on specious criminal charges?

are freeing Iran

Didn’t the leaders in Iran who weren’t killed by the US and Israel immediately pick up where Ayatollah Khamenei left off, and didn’t the people of Iran by and large refuse (for whatever reason) to rise up against those leaders when the US expected the Iranian people to rise up?

are about to liberate Cuba

Didn’t the United States put so many embargoes and sanctions on Cuba that the current state of the country can be blamed largely on the economic policy enforced upon the country by the United States? Furthermore, through which method of regime change does the United States plan to “liberate” Cuba: kidnapping or murder?

If this is “diminished in the world” it’s just cuz they hate winners

Yes, because when I think “winners”, I think of a country whose leader⁠—an elderly pants-shitter who is also an adjudicated sex offender who doesn’t see sexual assault as a big deal and a former friend to a sex trafficker who specialized in trafficking children⁠—enjoys sowing chaos and disorder in both his country and others around the world only because he thinks the presidency is a reality show and he believes his position entitles him to do anything he wants~.

I literally voted for this

I want you to remember that when Trump finally does something that even you refuse to justify. When it happens, don’t come here looking for pity. You will find none here, and you will deserve none.

cope and seethe

You’re the one who seems so angry about having to defend and justify Trump’s actions all the time, yet you’re the one telling everyone else to “cope and seethe”. Curious. 🤔

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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That was a civil trial

I believe a man who once professed he could “grab [women] by the pussy” and get away with it would only be found liable for rape if he committed that rape. A jury believed E. Jean Carroll over Donald Trump. You don’t have to like that fact, but you do have to acknowledge it.

MrWilson (profile) says:

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A Guy was nitpicking the term murder as applied to the deaths of school children in Iran because he thinks being at “war” means it’s okay to kill innocent people and it’s just “war casualties.” Aside from the fact that he’s apparently never heard of the My Lai massacre, he apparently also thinks you can play semantic games to get out of moral responsibility.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

There is no strategy to Trump’s policy; he is a man-child with no impulse control who would prefer to be a king instead of a diplomat. Also, are you saying that despite running under the GOP banner and pushing policies that the GOP largely agrees with and champions, Trump is a Democrat because of his well-documented ties to Jeffrey Epstein⁠—including the possibility that Trump knew Epstein was “stealing” young female employees from Mar-a-Lago for sex trafficking purposes?

Oh, and one more thing:

Cope and seethe.

Why does it feel like every time you come here, you’re angrier about defending and justifying Trump than everyone else is about attacking him?

MrWilson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2

Why does it feel like every time you come here, you’re angrier about defending and justifying Trump than everyone else is about attacking him?

I’m picturing him pounding the keys hard enough that he has a bunch of replacement keyboard caps in a nearby bag like Scrabble tiles ready to replace the ones he breaks. The only reason the frothing rage post isn’t in all caps is that he broke the caps lock and holding shift down while typing every letter is too hard for him.

He also has a really bland portrait of Trump in a fake gold foil frame to which he prefaces his furious typing, “don’t worry, sir, I’ll defend your honor!”

Cathay (profile) says:

". . . America will simply be welcomed back to the world stage as a respected member of the global order."

Impeachment now or later makes little difference to that. It was clear after George W Bush that the US can go crazy in one presidential election. Trump 2 shows that enough of the US population likes being crazy that it isn’t going to stop.

Trump’s wrecking of the country’s international reputation means the USA’s importance will steadily decline. That’s fortunate for the survival of the human species, but it’s probably too late for the survival of high-tech civilisation. Rampant egotism seems to be the Great Filter, at least in our case.

Sidney F Gale says:

America's Diminished Place in the World

Excellent assessment.

The problem is much deeper than Trump, as you correctly allude. It is the pervasive moral and ethical rot that has evolved in our society that allowed him to take root and grow like the malignant weed that he is or, more aptly, an invasive species from within.

The remaining question is: what replaces him, and will it be any better, or merely more subtle, but just as toxic and destructive of the public good?

Anonymous Coward says:

a frail country with weak civic institutions vulnerable to capture, indifferent to such a fate as long as it doesn’t affect the price of eggs

Yeah this does actually sum up this country pretty well.

Last year I compared the U.S. to a stumbling drunk. The country needs to go to rehab itself, or other countries will force the U.S. to go to rehab, or, worst-case, the country winds up dead in a ditch after one last self-desctructive bender, leaving the survivors (everyone living here in the U.S.) to pick up the pieces and build something new and, hopefully, better.

My bet right now is on the third option happening. It’s not looking good.

And like… there’s no getting around it: Our systems & institutions failed to stop Trump from taking office again. They failed before that in letting him walk free after Jan 6th. The Constitution and the Courts and more that led us to this point need a fundamental restructuring, even a tossing-out and replacement if need be.

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