Everything Is A Conspiracy Theory When You Don’t Bother To Educate Yourself

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I talk a lot about confirmation bias here because it’s at the heart of many of the debates and discussions regarding disinformation. It’s something we can all fall prey to, at times. But lately, I’ve been thinking a lot more about what makes one more susceptible to confirmation bias, and I’m increasingly coming around to the idea that it has to do with a combination of intellectual curiosity and trust.

I had a bit of a Baader-Meinhof moment over the weekend, when I heard variations on the same phrase twice, in two completely unrelated contexts. The first was in an MSNBC article by former Twitter employee Eddie Perez talking about how little Elon Musk understands how elections work. He started out his piece with this phrase:

Here’s a timeless dictum that aptly applies to election administration: Everything looks suspicious when you don’t know how anything works.

There are some really good points in Perez’s article, including this tidbit:

Perhaps Musk’s most bizarre argument came when he argued U.S. elections are vulnerable due to a lack of paper ballots. “The last thing I would do is trust a computer program,” he told the audience. This was a very strange comment from a businessman who is pitching automated driverless robotaxis and robovans that depend on computer-driven artificial intelligence to protect human lives, as well as computer-driven rockets that hope to extend human civilization through the colonization of Mars.

I’m certainly sensitive to questions around electronic voting, as someone who spent many of the early years of this blog calling out sketchy electronic voting schemes. However, really over the last decade, there have been vast improvements in the security and process behind electronic voting, such that most such systems now include important safety valves and backstops, including voter-verified paper trails and risk-limiting audits. Not every state has those systems yet (even though they should!) but calling for such things is very, very different from saying that all electronic voting is untrustworthy.

But, by now it’s clear that if anyone lacks intellectual curiosity to understand reality, it’s Elon Musk. After all, he’s not only (falsely) trashing electronic voting, but he’s also been trashing mail-in ballots (which he calls “insane”), even as his own Super PAC is pushing people to vote early by mail. Oh, and also, Elon himself has regularly voted by mail.

But, back to that statement. The same day I read Eddie’s piece, I also saw the recent Hank Green video in which he talks about how he received his election ballot in Montana, and at first worried that something nefarious was underfoot. On his ballot, he noticed that in every category, the Democrat was listed last on the ballot, and he wondered if it was an attempt to sway votes (there is some science suggesting that people lower on a ballot get fewer votes).

However, Hank (unlike Elon) didn’t just run with his hunch. He investigated things and found that his worry was not valid. Montana “randomizes” the ballots by starting in alphabetical order by candidates, but then rotating the candidates down one on different ballots, so that each candidate appears on the bottom and the top of the list an equal amount of times.

In other words, election officials in Montana do something right, even if seeing just the one bit of info caused Hank to worry they might have done something wrong. Hank calls out a (more popular) variation on the quote that Eddie uses above, citing the saying:

“Everything is a conspiracy theory when you don’t understand how anything works.”

I like that formulation even better. But, as Hank points out, this saying is a bit too mean and inaccurate. A more accurate version would be:

“Everything is a conspiracy theory when you don’t trust anything.

I’d add a caveat to that as well, though. You have to not trust anything and also not have the intellectual curiosity to find out what’s true. Hank is the kind of person who does have that intellectual curiosity. Even though he was initially concerned, before he spouted off, he did the research and found out that his concerns were unfounded.

Elon Musk, somewhat incredibly, seems to lack the basic intellectual curiosity to ever try to seek out why something is the way it is. He always assumes he can somehow “reason from first principles” as to why things are the way they are. This makes him ever more susceptible to the dumbest fucking conspiracy theories around. He’s constructed for himself a media environment mostly designed to reinforce those biases, rather than challenge them.

In the long run, I’d say folks are better off being more like Hank Green (intellectually curious, willing to seek out information and be proven wrong) and less like Elon Musk (intellectually uncurious, willing to believe utter nonsense so long as it reinforces your priors).

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Anonymous Coward says:

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IMplying that the worst case scenarios of a second trump presidency being discussed are no longer derranged to consider? Since 2021 Trump criticism is no longer derranged? So like, that history suggests the “trump derangement syndrome” label was heavily overused and simply a tool tool to dismiss criticism of Trump. The criticism of Trump has only gotten worse, but its reasonable now?

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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TDS era

That started the day he announced his candidacy in 2015; it continues to this day. The problem for you? The people most deranged about Trump aren’t the people who criticize him for every shitty thing he did during his presidency and all the shitty things he’s said in all three of his presidential campaigns. No, the people most deranged about Trump are the people who debase themselves by worshipping him like he’s the second coming of Jesus and excusing away everything he says and does that makes him awful. An actual Trump Derangement Syndrome would be far, far, far less about hating Trump for who he is and far, far, far more about loving him to the point of idolatrous worship. Only the deranged and debased would lift up Donald Trump, whose entire life spits in the face of every value that their religion professes to preach, and say “this is the only man who can save us all”.

Rocky says:

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Trump (paraphrased): “Let’s turn the National Guard or the military on the enemy within, which consists of evil people like Shiff and Pelosi”
Someone suffering from TDS: “He’s talking about using the National Guard and the military to keep the peace in our streets.”
Another one suffering from TDS: “I guess what I want to just make very clear is that it’s my belief that what former President Trump is talking about are the people that are coming over the border, that, in fact, are committing crimes, that are bringing drugs, that are trafficking humans, and that are turning every state into a border state.”

It’s telling that those suffering from TDS have an absolute need to reinterpret all the stupid and dangerous shit Trump say and do into something more politically palatable and benign, because if they didn’t they know they wouldn’t have any excuses left why they are supporting him.

It’s no wonder a lot of people think Trump-supporters are in a cult because once you become a fanatic, factual reality doesn’t matter – only belief propped up by circular reasoning, alternate facts and a lot of excuses for Trump.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

'I reject your demonstrable reality and substitute the one given to me'

“Everything is a conspiracy theory when you don’t trust anything.”

I’m not sure this one is quite accurate either since I’d argue that not trusting things is only half the problem, with the other, more impactful half being the trust in people that definitely should not be trusted over demonstrable, observable reality, such that what the person says is given higher priority over what can be observed, tested and measured.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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To prevent you doubling down on your lies (like another named troll recently), the link is here and the quote follows:

How could you possibly legislate away “hate speech” in a way that censors such speech in the most narrow context possible without also censoring a lot of speech that would otherwise be protected by the First Amendment?

The above is you basically saying that the American legislature cannot possibly detect the difference between holding up a sign saying “Keep immigrants out!” outside the White House and holding up the same sign a block away from where an anti-ethnic minority riot is going on.

Anonymous Coward says:

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To prevent you doubling down on your lies

You sound like Bratty Matty who think that opinions are lies.

The above is you basically saying that the American legislature cannot possibly detect the difference between holding up a sign saying “Keep immigrants out!” outside the White House and holding up the same sign a block away from where an anti-ethnic minority riot is going on.

When you have to use the phrase “is basically saying” you are reinterpreting what was said to fit your argument, aka other wording.

Then you proceed with your argument as if it refutes what Stephen said while ignoring context and the simple fact that no legislation about speech can fit all situations without having a lot of collateral damage.

Any idiot can make up an example but no one can write a law that cover all the things idiots do or say. Which one are you?

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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The above is you basically saying that the American legislature cannot possibly detect the difference between holding up a sign saying “Keep immigrants out!” outside the White House and holding up the same sign a block away from where an anti-ethnic minority riot is going on.

I had hoped you would say something like this to me. It gives me a chance to present a pertinent and timely counterpoint:

Pro-Palestinian protests.

Plenty of them have happened since Israel began its “war” in Gaza. Plenty of them have been absolutely peaceful. Yes, some of those protests have been less-than-peaceful. And yes, some protestors have expressed some level of support for Hamas and/or antisemitic rhetoric. I’m not going to lie and say otherwise because that would be foolish of me. Now, with all that said, here comes the fun question: If the law criminalizes hate speech, at what specific point does a protest that criticizes the Israeli government become hate speech for which a person can be arrested and punished under the law⁠—especially when a large number of Jewish Americans see any criticism of the Israeli government and/or any expressed support for Palestinians as “antisemitic”?

And that raises a bunch of other questions I’m sure you’ll avoid so you can (try and fail to) guilt trip me into believing your position. For example: Who gets to decide whether criticism of the Israeli government is antisemitic? What exact speech would be antisemitic in that regard? If the protest is deemed a “hate speech rally”, how many people should be arrested for participating in that protest? How many of those people should be charged with a hate crime? What possible defense, if any, should they be allowed to present at their trial? What should be the extent of their punishment when (not if) they’re found guilty? How many of their rights, if any, should they lose once they’re found guilty? (We must assume that if the law treats hate speech as a hate crime, the criminal charge itself would be a felony.) And most importantly, how do you think that’s actually going to stop people from holding antisemitic beliefs when a lot of people who hold those beliefs would see people punished for “hate speech against Jews” and double down on those beliefs? I mean, the whole point of a hate speech law would have to be “we need to rid the world of hateful and bigoted thinking”, but such a law would probably drive the bigots further underground and entrench their hatred because “don’t be a bigot out loud or else” isn’t going to make them change their minds.

Of all the people to whine about nuance and depth, you’re the one who jumps to simplistic visions of “we can and should arrest people for hate speech” without a thought as to how that process would work and the consequences of that process playing out. I’ve repeatedly laid out the concerns I have with such a process. Every time I’ve done so, you’ve avoided those questions and tried to guilt trip me into accepting your ideas. All you ever do is try to shame me into being a “good” person (i.e., thinking like you). The problem with that tactic? You can shame someone out of being a bad person, but you can’t shame them into being a good person.

Your guilt trips and insults won’t work here. Neither will deflecting my questions. You need to put in the work if you want me to change my mind on the matter. I want you to put in that work and convince me your idea is worth supporting. But come at me with your usual “oh you’re just being a stupid bitch who wants bigots to win” bullshit again and I promise that you’ll never come close to changing my mind. So you can either address my concerns with your idea or fuck all the way off.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Based on the pattern, this appears to be Arianity while signed out. Keeps calling people trolls who aren’t trolls. Keeps claiming people are doubling down when being consistent in their denial of the straw man Arianity is using. Links to comments that don’t say what they claim. Ironically trolling (i.e. intentionally trying to annoy people) while calling other people trolls with a made-up definition of what trolling is.

Anonymous Coward says:

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You’re confused. I’m not saying they’re a troll because they’re not signed into an account. I’m saying they are troll based on their behavior and they also appeared to be a person who is otherwise known to sign a name to their posts sometimes. I do very clearly not like trolls (great detective work!). Is that something I’m supposed to be ashamed of? Where’s the hypocrisy?

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Anonymous Coward says:

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with the other, more impactful half being the trust in people that definitely should not be trusted over demonstrable, observable reality, such that what the person says is given higher priority over what can be observed, tested and measured

You get insightful, I agree and get flagged.

Talk about bias…

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Yes, bias against stupid assholes who think they can take something out of context to support their shitty arguments.

If you were a bit smarter perhaps you could have made an argument that was somewhat persuasive but due to your lack of intellectual curiosity that’s impossible.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Because you responded to the comment that responded to my comment as if you made my comment.

I accused someone (you?) of not knowing punctuation and gaslighting. Someone said “Every accusation…” then you responded as if the “Every accusation…” comment was in response to you instead of me. Are you not tracking the thread? Did you think you actually wrote my comment?

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Anonymous Coward says:

It's not just a lack of intellectual curiosity

Elon’s not educated. Yes, I know about his putative education, but it seems clear at this point that it was purchased with daddy’s money and that he didn’t actually learn anything.

He doesn’t understand how Tesla’s vehicles work. He doesn’t understand orbital dynamics (at even a cursory level). He doesn’t understand the Internet. He doesn’t have a basic grasp of any of the disciplines that he ought to, and that’s before we even get into things like election procedures — where everything he thinks he knows is wrong, as evidenced repeatedly by his own statements.

This is an apartheid trust fund baby who never grew up, never matured, never learned, never studied, never became a functioning adult with expertise. He is truly an inferior little man — and he knows it, which is why much of his behavior is clearly an attempt to deflect from it.

And the thing is: he could have been so much more. He had every possible advantage in life. He could have been the person his delusional fanboys thinks he is. But he chose otherwise, and now he’s just another rich, racist, misogynist, bigoted, clueless Nazi fuckstick. Worthless. Disposable.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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You can literally google it. If you google it, you should find that Musk denied getting any funding or that his dad owned a mine. Then his dad came out and said it wasn’t a mine, per se, but a source of emeralds that he did invest in under the table and from which he did get money and some of that money went to help Musk when he was getting started.

Anonymous Coward says:

“Everything is a conspiracy theory when you don’t trust anything.”

This touched an existential nerve. I would re-word this to “Everything is a conspiracy theory when you can’t trust anything and you are not at the point of admitting that you can’t trust anything yet.”

With the list of USDA recalls, do you trust every product on your grocery store’s shelves?

Is the TV ad to report civil rights abuses legitimate or a scam?

Can you trust your doctor to cover everything in the allotted 15 minute appointments? Now pretend that you are not an otherwise healthy individual.

Does the floor lamp you just bought have a microphone in it so some company can sell the data about your usage of the lamp?

And on and on…

When folks can’t trust anything, is it easier (better?) to believe everything is a conspiracy or acknowledge that this may not be Denmark but something…a lot of things… are rotten? Do we want to be in a place where folks are calling into question everything.

Intellectually, I do want to live in that place. But contemplate the society where everyone grasps that they cannot trust anyone. …that’s not even society anymore.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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With the list of USDA recalls, do you trust every product on your grocery store’s shelves?

I trust them enough to keep buying them until and unless I get sick from them. Any food is going to carry a risk of making someone sick in some way. That includes food people grow for themselves.

Is the TV ad to report civil rights abuses legitimate or a scam?

You can do research on the Internet to figure this out.

Can you trust your doctor to cover everything in the allotted 15 minute appointments? Now pretend that you are not an otherwise healthy individual.

15 minutes? Probably not. But I trust them to talk about any major issues I already have and ones I might be developing.

Does the floor lamp you just bought have a microphone in it so some company can sell the data about your usage of the lamp?

Two things.

  1. I can look up whether my floor lamp has a microphone in it.
  2. If a floor lamp has a microphone, I’m probably not going to buy it.

All your concerns are rooted in reality, but you take them too far and sound too distrusting of everything. That level of paranoia doesn’t do you any favors. Living in the modern world will always have risks that we can’t 100% control. The best any of us can do is mitigate risks, be cautious without being overly paranoid, and otherwise hope for the best. Sheltering yourself from fear all the time won’t do you any good.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Meh. I don’t go for conspirary theories myself. There’s just not any really, really good ones. C’mon, people! Creativity! You think you’ve found a good one and BAM! someone already did it back in 1547.

However, I am surrounded by them.

I’ve just resorted to, “Sorry, sweet pea, that business model has changed.” for all of my little loonies. 😉

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Anonymous Coward says:

Elon Musk, somewhat incredibly, seems to lack the basic intellectual curiosity to ever try to seek out why something is the way it is. He always assumes he can somehow “reason from first principles” as to why things are the way they are.

Sounds a lot like Dunning-Kruger, where he believes he knows all the factors involved.

One theoretically could reason it out from first principles, but only if you know what **all* the factors are, and can weight them appropriately. … which is several orders of magnitude more easily done iteratively and through feedback than all in your skull. And that ain’t Our Hero Elon, no.

The difference between Theory and Practice is that in Theory, there is no difference.

Rich says:

It's not the things, it's the people

It should also be stressed that educating oneself on a topic does not stop the instant one sees something that might bolster one’s previously held opinion. The boss move is to find understandable reasons for an opposing viewpoint, that’s when learning really begins.

But aside from that, I trust things.

To elaborate on That One Guy’s post, I would take it further and slide the trust scale 100% away from people, and go all in with things. To trust is to put one’s faith in the honesty, integrity, and honor of something, someone, or collective, the sentience of which would be a unavoidable prerequisite.

I have been accused of being a conspiracy theorist for decades, not because I pushed any particular viewpoint, or angrily frothed some “Duchovnean” leap to connect otherwise unrelated events, but usually just because I reapplied Occam’s razor while keeping the frailty of the human condition in the forefront.
Ok, so just to appease the imagined voices of my family and friends yelling in my head, I should admit that my superpower is cynicism, heavily salted with pessimism, which certainly puts quite the inevitable tinge on all of my perceptions.

ECA (profile) says:

I wonder

IF’ The people had control over their Gov. and the religions, How many Popes And Church leaders of the past would have been KICKED OUT OF THE CHURCH.
A bit of knowledge can do great things. But didnt the USA Created Gov. have Checks and balance? Or does the PEOPLE in “We the People” have to Stop everything and FIX IT.
What a debate that will be.

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Anonymous Coward says:

In the long run, I’d say folks are better off being more like Hank Green (intellectually curious, willing to seek out information and be proven wrong) and less like Elon Musk (intellectually uncurious, willing to believe utter nonsense so long as it reinforces your priors).

Interested to see how that gets reflected by commenters on this site.

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reallytired112 says:

Completely Dishonest....

I find it amusing that this author uses “risk limiting audits” as a reason for electronic ballots. Why does Taiwan, a country of 23 Million, use paper ballots exclusively? Why do they carry out voting in full view of observers? & why are their results counted and released by midnight of election day?

I guess you could say everything isn’t a conspiracy when Mike is running hatchet man straw man arguments for needless tech in the most important day for a country. & most important to be fully trusted.

Anonymous Coward says:

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find it amusing that this author uses “risk limiting audits” as a reason for electronic ballots. Why does Taiwan, a country of 23 Million, use paper ballots exclusively?

Because conspiracy theorists like yourself threatened to use disinformation and nonsense peddling to undermine the Taiwanese elections, so they fought back by using the not only less efficient, but less accurate system of paper ballots.

All US e-voting machines include paper ballots as a part of the process, so they can, indeed, be recounted.

So your “aha” is not an “aha” it shows that you’re just full of conspiracy theories becuase you didn’t educate yourself.

Just like the article says.

MrWilson (profile) says:

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And Taiwan’s labor ministry will fine companies that don’t give workers the day off to vote. Ask a Republican about making election day a national holiday or a mandatory day off.

Taiwan also has 19.5 million registered voters, with about 12.7 million who turn out to vote on average. In contrast, the US has ~160 million for voter turn out. Significantly different scale.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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Also: Some states have laws passed by Republicans in the wake of the 2020 election that forbids election workers from counting votes cast in early voting periods until after the polls close on Election Day. We also have to count the ballots from Americans serving in the military who are stationed overseas. And some states allow a grace period for mail-in votes received two or three days after Election Day so that people who mailed their ballots late or had them lost in the mail or whatever can still have their votes counted. As in 2020, we likely won’t know for sure who won the election until several days after Election Day.

And that assumes Republicans actually let the process play out instead of trying to screw over voters through Trump-friendly courts or a straight-up coup backed by armed right-wing militias.

JR says:

What’s missing in this piece is how a lack of intellectual curiosity is or becomes self-serving. Elon is clearly finding this personally rewarding and it may put him in a position of greater power. Why seek clarity if it’s unclear how that benefits you and it may well not? For those of us who aren’t looking at a cabinet position and who will likely continue to find their politics unrewarding in the long run, there’s some hope in understanding the incentives and possible disincentives for conspiratorial thinking.

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