Low Orbit Satellite Companies Respond To Scientists’ Concerns About Light And Environmental Pollution With Even Bigger, Brighter Satellites
from the blot-out-the-sun-for-the-sake-of-innovation dept
Scientists say that low earth orbit (LEO) satellite constellations being built by Amazon, Starlink, and AT&T pose a dire threat to astronomy and scientific research, and that too little is being done to address the issue.
Back in 2022, scientists declared Starlink satellite constellations an “existential threat for astronomy,” noting that the reflection and light pollution (Musk claimed would never happen in the first place) is making it far more difficult to study the night sky, a problem researchers say can be mitigated somewhat but never fully eliminated. That’s bad.
Worse, perhaps, is that more recent studies have shown that the disposable nature of these satellites means a lot of them will be constantly burning up in orbit, releasing all kinds of problematic chemicals and metals upon re-entry. It’s bad enough that scientists say it could imperil the repairs we’ve made to the ozone layer. That, is also, in case it’s not clear, bad.
In response, companies like AT&T and their Texas-based startup partners have responded by launching hundreds of even larger and brighter low-Earth orbit disposable satellites:
“The prototype satellite, BlueWalker 3, launched in September 2022 and unfurled its array around two months later. The company was quite proud of its size, “Made in TX—size matters!” Avellan boasted on Twitter, when referring to BlueWalker 3. Astronomers, however, were not amused.
BlueWalker 3 appeared as bright as two of the ten brightest stars in the night sky, Procyon and Achernar, through the lenses of different telescopes, according to a Nature study published in October 2023. Before unfurling its array, the satellite had a brightness magnitude of around +3.5, making it visible to the naked eye. However, after deploying its antenna array, its brightness increased by about two magnitudes.”
The justification for these services is that the companies are helping connect the disconnected. But the high price tag of services like Starlink means that the people most in need of connection (tribal, rural areas) often can’t afford them (AT&T has never been known for affordability).
Basic physics and capacity issues mean these services often don’t scale well, inevitably resulting in weird network throttling, caps, and other restrictions you’re not going to see on traditional fiber or even 5G wireless. Such networks are also expensive to maintain.
Low-Earth orbit satellite service definitely has its place. It’s great for niche applications (disaster recovery, war, some scattered rural access for those who can afford it), but it’s not really any sort of broad panacea for U.S. broadband access. In many instances, you’re still better off pushing “future proof” fiber deeper into rural areas and then using 5G or fixed wireless to deliver last mile access. Especially once you factor in the potential harm to the environment or scientific research.
U.S. regulators have taken a mostly hands-off approach to the disposable satellite market for fear of “stifling innovation” with anything even vaguely resembling competent corporate oversight.
There have been some recently-passed FCC rules designed to ensure companies don’t just leave space junk in orbit permanently, but they’ve yet to be meaningfully enforced at scale, and the agency’s authority is in jeopardy thanks to recent Supreme Court rulings designed to undermine regulatory independence.
Barely or badly regulated companies flinging mountains of metal into orbit with an almost total disregard for significant harms to scientific research and the environment? All so a few folks with disposable income can get a hundred megabits per second at their second vacation home or RV? I mean, really, what could possibly go wrong.
Filed Under: 5g, bluewalker 3, broadband, fiber, high speed internet, leo, low earth orbit, satellites, telecom, wireless
Companies: at&t


Comments on “Low Orbit Satellite Companies Respond To Scientists’ Concerns About Light And Environmental Pollution With Even Bigger, Brighter Satellites”
'Sure the world will be on fire tomorrow but look at how much we're making today!'
Scientists: This will almost certainly have devastating long-term costs both to scientific investigation and potentially the world itself.
Company Execs: Sorry to break it to you but we stopped listening at ‘long-term’ as that’s a problem for future people and all we care about is how much money we’re making right now.
In america, bigger is always better, and if you say otherwise, you’re a god damn hippie communist.
Lasers: good for turning big chunks of satellite into small chunks of satellite.
Of course, whether the satellite was functional or not doesn’t matter to the laser. Or to a sufficiently annoyed astronomer.
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That would make matters worse.
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Also, if scientists could put giant laser weapons up there, they’d be better off sending space telescopes. It wouldn’t help the ozone layer, but at least they’d have a vantage point without the light pollution.
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I’m pretty sure that ground based operations are way less expensive than their space borne counterparts .. when they have good conditions.
and space lasers?
starting forest fires?? lol
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Only if they’re Jewish space lasers, according to that most eminently knowledgeable consultant, MTG.
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Of course. But if the crazy billionaires cluttering up the sky would also throw the occasional telescope up there, they’d at least be helping solve the problem they’re creating. Money’s really the only reason we’re not doing all our astronomy with space telescopes, which are mostly unaffected by light and environmental pollution. (Space telescopes are also much more difficult to maintain, but that can be seen as a financial problem too.)
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The laser can be fired from the ground.
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With enough power to “[turn] big chunks of satellite into small chunks of satellite”? But even if it can be done, perhaps we should stop to think if it should.
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Not how lasers work. The US government had a project during the Cold War to try and figure out space/laser weapons. They spent over a billion dollars on it. Nothing came of it.
Not sure to what extent federal regulation would be useful. If China (or Hamas) decides to put a big honking nuke into orbit, I don’t think they’ll pay any attention to any regs.
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But Mom!
Everyone else is doing it!!!
AND?
“Supreme Court rulings designed to undermine regulatory independence. ”
A bunch of know nothings that know Nothing of the problems, get to Solve a problem they know Nothing about.
Everyone send up Cheap, simple Sats, that dont last very long. That have to compete with Space/room in LEO.
Im waiting for 1 to hit a returning Capsule from the Science station.
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So, we should send the Supreme Court out there on their very own satellite. Problem solved!
There used to be a tv show about some dude who made his own spaceship and used it to collect space garbage.
Re: Salvage 1
Salvage 1 staring Andy Griffith.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvage_1
I keep thinking that it’s a missed opportunity for these satellite companies to not have outward facing cameras and radio receivers.
But space weight is expensive, and these companies aren’t interested in doing science. Or even in enabling science.
for fear of “stifling innovation”
How is this working out for us?
Plastic harms ignored
PFA’s harms ignored
Asbestos harms ignored
Fracking next to an aquifer harms ignored
Tesla deathtraps harms ignored
CFA’s harms ignored
Pollution harms ignored
I’d totes go on but my depression is bad enough already.
Perhaps letting the stupidly rich continue to gather wealth at the expense of lives & the planet is a really bad idea.
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But, the USA for all its Glory. Is no longer top of the list. NOT even NEAR IT.
This nation doesn’t even Look at/to other countries to see how they have done things, BETTER.
USA is number 1. Food exports and oil. Which is a Hidden lie Not easily reported.
How can a nation with ‘To much Food’ need to raise Food prices? A Nation with So much Oil, that we can Supply Most of the world then Buy up the other nations, and OVER CHARGE for it. Because our Corps dont want to spen $0.35 to process the oil to get rid of the Excess Sulfur. They dont even want you to know the Pipeline Accidents that have happened over the years.
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Fake carbon capture and storage not just ignored, but encouraged.
What humanity desperately needs
For the benefit of all humanity we need to develop big bright beautiful orbiting advertising billboard satellites.
Re: Satellites
Billboards in space? What a —— ——- stupid idea
Study abroad
In India we always ready for these type of concern
Satellites
Theyve ruined the night sky for all mankind So a handful of rich men can get richer what the actual hell?! The beauty of the stars forever ruined Earth is really going to hell and now our atmosphere too
Starlink
For rural and tribal connections? Baloney! You need electric connections before you can use this satellite crap And phones laptops Tribal areas have that? Thats just an excuse to fill the majesty of the night skies with JUNK So some people can make money! We are the first humans in the history of mankind to see the night sky full of these moving satellites all over Thats not anything to celebrate or be happy about Its sickening