I never hear solutions.

Abolish ICE. Stop violating the Constitution and human rights. Respect due process and habeas corpus. Open more immigration courts. Change the legal process to citizenship.

I only hear bitching.

That’s your intentional filtering. You don’t want to hear what is being suggested. What is being done now is the choice of Trump and his officials. They could simply choose not to violate the law. And the criticism is a valid rebuke of illegal activity. It doesn’t need to be more complicated than that. To quote Liar Liar again: “STOP BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLE!”

Wouldn’t it be better if Minnesota kept these people in jail on an ICE hold so they can be retrieved peacefully?

Non-violent community members? You seem to operate on the idea that ICE is actually arresting the worst of the worst when the numbers of criminal immigrants was always inflated bullshit propaganda. They’re actively roaming the streets and just picking up people with skin below the red line on the Family Guy meme.

There probably won’t be any 5 year olds in the jail with them.

The government is under no obligation to hunt or abduct 5 year olds in the first place. Aren’t 5 year olds safer at home with their families than in measles-ridden concentration camps?

There probably won’t be any US citizens wrongfully detained if the illegals are collected at the jails.

Sure, it’s the fault of the city and state that the federal administration has decided to break the law and violate human rights. You’re blaming the victim here. All of this is entirely due to the choices and actions of the federal government, regardless of whether or not anyone at the state or local level cooperates. Morality and legality are not relative. There is no scenario in which it is okay to violate the law or human rights simply because someone else didn’t do what you wanted. The Constitution specifically does not put the responsibility for immigration enforcement in the hands of state or local authorities. IT IS LITERALLY NOT THEIR JOB! But more than that, there would be wrongfully detained US citizens because the federal agents don’t have to detain them in the first place. They currently have the option not to do that, but they choose to.

But, once they are let off the hook and thrown back into the pond, occasionally securing illegals will have unintended second order effects.

They are indiscriminately abducting people. They are not seeking criminal immigrants. They know who the criminal immigrants are. I’ve worked for a law enforcement agency. Arrest records are a simple search in a nation-wide database. You’re pretending that they’re targeting criminals when there aren’t enough to target and that would involve investigation before confronting anyone on the street.

You keep using weasel wording to describe human and constitutional rights violations as if it can’t be helped. “You know, when you’re bad at your job and a hateful bigot, you might just accidentally have to murder citizens!”

If you can’t enforce the law ethically, then you shouldn’t enforce the law.

Y’all like to bitch about all of the problems Y’ALL caused by supporting the policy of not honoring ICE holds.

I’m a single individual. I’m not “y’all.” I don’t have any political influence in Minnesota.

But again, you’re gaslighting and victim-blaming. Liam didn’t have a criminal record and wouldn’t have been in jail in order to have an ICE hold, so honoring them would not have saved him from the administration’s actions. Good and Pretti aren’t criminals or immigrants, so honoring ICE holds wouldn’t have anything to do with them. Teargassing children in Portland just peacefully marching in front of a building is not affected by honoring ICE holds.

Just that one simple change would have made sure the monsters didn’t kill Alex Pretti or that other one.

The federal government insisted on surging in Minneapolis. It was their direct choices. You don’t invade and brutalize and violate human and constitutional rights and expect residents to roll over and accept authoritarian violence and injustice. You’re still victim-blaming.

Obama deported 2.7 million during his 8 years in office and actually focused on deporting criminals. He didn’t need to surge ICE and CBP in cities to accomplish that. He didn’t need to teargas children or shoot citizens.

The facts don’t support your assertions that this is somehow necessary. Trump and Miller and others like the cruelty. That’s the point for them, which is why they’re abducting random people, citizen or immigrant, and teargassing and pepper spraying peaceful observers.

But, this solution would deprive you of the self-righteousness of engaging in your “protests.”

“I’d stop beating my wife, but then she calls me a brute and that makes me hit her again. If she’d just stop saying I’m a violent brute, then I’d be able to stop abusing her!”

You’re engaging that sports team mentality that everyone who disagrees with you is the same and all on one side. You’re attributing to me things I haven’t said or supported. And that’s on top of the straw men you create in general.

I’d rather not have a reason for anyone to protest. The protests will go away when the feds stop violating human and constitutional rights. Renee Good wouldn’t have anyone to observe if ICE and CBP weren’t in Minneapolis. Pretti wouldn’t have been helping that woman up if she hadn’t been extrajudicially assaulted by a federal agent falsely acting under the color of law.

I don’t see an suggestions other than “don’t enforce the law.”

You haven’t heard “don’t enforce the law.” People are literally saying, “enforce the law,” specifically the 5th Amendment, specifically due process, specifically habeas corpus, specifically the 1st Amendment, specifically freedom of speech, freedom of the press, the right of redress.

You’re just pretending like the intentional misinterpretation by conservatives of immigration law is the only law that needs to be enforced and even must be enforced without regard to any other law or ethical concern.

What other laws should not he enforced? I think it’s clear that one of you would lynch someone if given the opportunity. Make a valid suggestion. Put it to a vote.

There is only one of me and that’s a complete straw man. “I perceive you as violent therefore you’re a bad person!”

I believe in due process even for the worst people in the world. I’d love to see officials in this administration who have committed human rights violations get all the benefits of due process that they have denied to others. They can have fancy lawyers and we can have trials that include discovery of all of their communications in their officials roles.

The problem of course is that the courts have been stacked with conservative federalist society judges who don’t actually believe in the Constitution, so I doubt it’ll ever come to that even if the Democrats grow a pair and pursue justice instead of “healing the nation” by letting injustice fester.

When Trump dies, there will likely be some effort to offload all crimes onto him as a scape goat and other officials will escape without repercussions.

I promise the side of compassion and empathy will not win if this revolves into a real civil war.

There it is! Holy fuck, mask off! Whenever there is discussion of civil war, it is almost always a conservative suggesting that it’s coming or inevitable and that they are willing to be brutal and vicious. This is an admission on your part that you are willing to murder people you disagree with politically. This is an admission that you consider it unlikely that you will ever be compassionate or empathetic. You are telling on yourself so much with this. It is the language of an abuser. “Look what you made me do.”

Minnesota should do the honorable thing and secede from the Union.

Because Trump and his officials are violating human and constitutional rights? Why would they abdicate their role in protecting their citizens and let other states continue to endure the violations? Why do you think Minnesota is alone in this stance? Less than half of the country voted in the 2024 election and less than half of those voters voted for Trump. Why do you think there’s some kind of majority and mandate for whatever Trump wants, irrespective of the Constitution?

And then we can send all of the illegals there and let them deal with it.

There are more undocumented immigrants in Texas and Florida than Minnesota. Weird how Trump didn’t send agents there en masse to brutalize the populace. It’s almost like they’re only going after blue states and blue cities rather than trying to get actual criminals…

But, instead, Minnesota wants the benefits of statehood without any of the responsibilities. Laughable. And repugnant.

Are you suggesting that the state has an obligation to enforce federal law that the Constitution has not allotted to it? Are you suggesting that Minnesotans don’t pay federal taxes? Are you suggesting that it is the responsibility of state and local officials to follow the orders of federal officials for whom they do not work instead of the democratic will of the people for whom they do actually work?

Again, again, for claiming to be a lawyer, you don’t seem to know much about how laws or the government actually works.

Y’all don’t want solitions;

We have plenty. They’re just not compatible with your hatred and bigotry and desire for violence. Which, to be fair, they aren’t. But that says everything about you and nothing about us.

you want chaos.

There wasn’t chaos until the ramp up in violence by the feds. You’re projecting.

And you want someone else to pay for that chaos.

We’re paying for the federal government to brutalize people. We’re all paying for that, not just with money, but with lives. That you pretend there’s no cost to opposing injustice and violence wielded by brutal sociopathic authoritarians is…well, exactly what you might expect from a bootlicker. In Portland, they literally teargassed a non-violent crowd including many children. Don’t talk to me about cost as if this costs you anything close to as much as other people are experiencing.

Put you money and your liberty where your mouth. Stand up for what you believe.

We literally are. Good and Pretti did it with their goddamn lives, you privileged bigot.

Just say you want to take my money and give it to someone else. Be honest for once.

And it comes full circle to money. You’re afraid your taxes will help poor people and immigrants instead of just getting funneled to billionaires who wouldn’t even wipe their asses with you. There’s a human and ethical cost to what’s happening and you falsely believe you were in the terrible danger of having your precious taxes go to someone you deemed undeserving. For all your discourse, it comes down to your paranoid sense of financial insecurity (despite supposedly being a lawyer). You will waste your time moralizing brutality because you think it will save you a few bucks.

And the saddest, most grotesque irony is that undocumented immigrants contribute to taxes and social security without being able to draw benefits. You have literally benefited from their contributions more than they have and yet you’re too stupid to see it. You’re gleefully supporting the murder of innocent people because you are stupid on the level of a person who made fart jokes instead of listening during a 10th grade social science class.

There’s also a simple solution to not having your tax dollars go to people you deem undeserving. Stop paying taxes. If you’re afraid of the IRS coming after you for not paying your taxes, you just have to not make a lot of money. Plenty of people are too poor to pay the minimum amount of taxes. You could choose to be one of them, where most of them don’t choose to be poor. Put your lack of money where your mouth is.

But you won’t. You want the benefits of society which is funded by the collective taxes of everyone, including immigrants who benefit from them less than others. You are the goddamn mooch you pretend others are.