JD Vance: Children Of People Seeking Asylum Are Illegals That Need To Be Deported
from the all-ghouls-all-the-time dept
Mr. Bovino said Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers and Border Patrol agents were probably more experienced at handling young people than “any domestic law enforcement agency.”
“I will say unequivocally that we are experts in dealing with children,” he said. “Not because we want to be, but because we have to be.”
Granted, the punchline is weak and the person delivering it is even weaker, but for ex-Border Patrol commander Greg Bovino — he of the routine violation of court orders and a predilection for Nazi-esque outerwear — to suggest that any part of the anti-migrant hate train is good with children is laughable. That’s some gallows ass humor right there.
Trump didn’t invent separating children from parents when detaining and deporting migrants, but he was the first to turn it into the rule, rather than the tragic exception. His second administration is definitely the one filled with people whose eyes absolutely light up every time they destroy the life of an immigrant.
Here’s what Bovino was defending, while doing his best to talk around the issue. This photo is courtesy of the school that 5-year-old Liam Conejo Ramos attended before being arrested (along with his father) and sent to a detention center more than 1,000 miles away from their home.
That’s a federal officer holding onto the child’s backpack, as if the frightened child might make a run for freedom at any point.
Since that moment went viral, tons of conflicting narratives have been sent out into the public domain. The government has said the usual moronic, hateful stuff about the father being an illegal immigrant who abandoned his child at school when officers closed in on him. The father’s lawyer claims the father has a pending asylum claim, which doesn’t actually make him an illegal immigrant. In fact, it means he can’t be detained or deported until his case is heard.
Stumbling onto the scene following the second execution of a Minneapolis resident in the past three weeks is JD Vance, who was apparently sent out by the president to charm their critics into submission. But being charming or empathetic or otherwise projecting something resembling “normal human being” has never been one of Vance’s skills. So, while he opened up with something approaching respecting the humanity of others — that being that he has a five-year-old of his own — he soon veered in the direction of MAGA incantations to claim the child got everything that was coming to him.
In Minneapolis, Vance sought to appear empathetic toward the child. He declared that he too has a 5-year-old, and said he’d been moved by the story. However, he said he’d done “follow-up research” and discovered that the father was an “illegal alien.”
“Are they not supposed to arrest an illegal alien in the United States of America?” asked Vance, speaking of ICE. He then scoffed: “If the argument is that you can’t arrest people who have violated our laws because they have children, then every single parent is going to be completely given immunity.”
“Follow up research” of course means “handed DHS talking points.” And referring to the father as an illegal alien (repeatedly) is just a lie of convenience. And it’s probably not even an intentional lie, as Greg Sargent points out in The New Republic. It’s just Vance’s worldview — one shared by plenty of people in the administration — getting out ahead of his pathetic attempt to calm the Minnesota waters.
But an even more grotesque Trump-Vance stance here is going unnoticed. Vance simply doesn’t think it’s a misnomer to call the father an “illegal alien,” despite his asylum claim. That’s because Vance plainly doesn’t believe those awaiting asylum adjudication are here legitimately at all. He and Trump have adopted the position that legal loopholes allow them to deport asylum-seekers before their claims are heard.
Everyone Trump wants gone can be labeled an illegal immigrant. All federal officers and prosecutors need to do is strip them of their protected status, revoke their visas, void asylum applications, or dismiss pending immigration cases to convert people following legal pathways towards permanent residence into “illegals” who are supposedly “invading” our country.
And it will do this even though there are vulnerable people — children, the elderly, parents with newborns, people who are likely to be tortured or killed if deported to the countries they fled — in the mix. And then they’ll send someone who’s not quite as abrasive as Trump, Noem, Bovino, Bondi, etc. to soft-sell the horrors the administration will continue to inflict on this nation for the rest of whatever. It’s callous, malicious, and above all, evil for its own sake. It does nothing to make America greater or safer. All it does is make it whiter.
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Comments on “JD Vance: Children Of People Seeking Asylum Are Illegals That Need To Be Deported”
Any one immigrant is infinitely more American than the entirety of the MAGA insurrection.
When people love to arrest small children, or love the idea or the sight of other people arresting small children, there is a fairly unpleasant explanation for why they love those things so much which is a lot more plausible than the competing explanation that they somehow “understand” that it is “unfortunately” “necessary” to arrest small children.
So, how “good” are you with small children, Mr. Bovino? And in which ways? Inquiring minds want to know.
JD. My man. Your children legit look like that kid, and largely thanks to the politics of your administration, they too can now be arrested and detained based on their melanin proportions. That’s cool, though. Racist cops have never targeted elite non whites on purpose or accident 🙄.
This just proves yet again that the cruelty is the point for Rethuglicans.
This is just conservativism writ large. You declare who someone is (an outgroup member) and then you use that label, regardless of any evidence to the contrary, as evidence to justify your hatred and persecution and exploitation of them.
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Conservatism is an ideology of destruction and regression. There is no “better world” under conservatism, for the ideology sees the world as nothing but a threat. Whether that means seeing the world as either evil enough to refusing saving it, fearsome enough to justify any cruelty, or both at the same time is ultimately irrelevant.
Consider the “problem” of illegal immigration. Sure, having more people in this country puts a strain on our resources. But by and large, the people who come here are seeking a better life and are less likely to break the law than born-and-raised Americans. Those immigrants also work jobs that might not get done unless Americans get desperate enough to accept wages lower than the federal minimum wage. On the whole, immigrants make this country better. Ask a conservative, however, and they’ll most likely tell you that getting all “the illegals” out of the country is the only way to “save” the nation. Saving it from what, exactly, will change from person to person. And rare is the conservative who will say that giving undocumented immigrants a legal path to citizenship is a good thing.
Name an issue and the mainstream conservative position on it is, by and large, regressive in some way. Abortion, climate change/clean energy, vaccines—all issues where conservatives demand a regression to an imagined “golden age” that once existed but no longer does. Under conservatism, there is no progress because they don’t believe “a better world” is possible. Hell, there’s enough true-blue believers in Rapture theology that those conservatives literally want to usher in the end of the world. How anyone can think any Republican/conservative/right-winger wants to improve the world in any way when all the evidence suggests otherwise is beyond my understanding.
And that explains why Convicted Felon Donald Trump was like Thierry Meyssan, saying lies about Abrego Garcia like how Thierry Meyssan spreads extremely harmful lies about Flight 77 (to the point the US declared him persona non grata). They don’t recognize legal asylum.
They too will be persona non grata soon.
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They all need to be deported.
The “asylum” thing was always made up, and you knew it, too.
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Just because you’re a disgusting, hateful shitbird, doesn’t mean others aren’t as well. Granting asylum to those genuinely at risk of harm is a standard, long-term, important humanitarian practice.
That you deny its existence says a fuckton more about what a horrible human being you are.
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What do you mean by “made up” in this context? Which supposed falsehoods are supposedly involved? Who made what claims up?
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Made up is presumably used as a synonym for exaggerate or perhaps present in the most favourable terms.
I presume you don’t want an exact example from a specific immigrant?
But caught on film throwing your phone overboard would be something that I regard as an exaggeration, or perhaps going on holiday to visit the country you said you needed to leave because it was too dangerous to live there.
But unless your response to asylum seekers is to just throw them in jail I don’t see why you need to seperate the child and parent.
They are not illegal until your bureaucracy have worked through the process, presumed innocent until proven guilty(cough)
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If “made up” is your standard for rejecting something, all human systems are made up. Governments, borders, laws, etc. are made up. Race as a non-scientific taxonomy using dubious ideas like people with similar color who aren’t related genetically must be part of the same group is definitely made up (by racists seeking to create outgroups to dehumanize and exploit).
You’re really just saying you get to arbitrarily decide which made up things are “legitimate” based on your bigotry and bias.
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I could not agree more. The administration’s claims against Asylum claimants were always made up, and sure, everyone involved in these atrocities should all be deported. I would suggest to somewhere like Antarctica, drop them off the coast, naked, in a small boat. See how they enjoy all the “benefits” of being made stateless.
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I’d normally care enough to be more polite, but I can’t be bothered. In the least antipodean sense possible, you are a cunt and should fuck off back to the 30s.
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The “asylum” thing was always made up, and you knew it, too
Made up? You’re a fucking fool. It’s so ‘made up’ that there’s a process defined for it and everything?
https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-in-the-united-states
Trying to substitute your own reality? Protip: just because you want it to be that way, doesn’t mean that is, you fucking scumbag.
How authoritarians work
This is how an authoritarian regime normalizes the police state, while simultaneously normalizing the restrictions of citizens rights.
This admin is playing the authoritarian playbook page by page.
Hmm...
Turning the US (or UK) into a neo-feudalistic pariah state that no-one wants to live in (and immigrate to) is one type of solution to illegal immigration, I guess 😛
I’m scared of the thought that as bad as Trump is, Vance will be so much worse. A) because he’s not old and senile, a B) because he’s so utterly unlikeable that he’s going to triple down on trumpian tactics in order to hold onto the maga base.
Our only hope is that he is so unlikeable even that’s not enough to keep him around.
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I used to worry about Vance until he started actually talking. Dude’s so stupid that he literally compared the US economy to the Titanic without even realizing what he was doing. If Trump kicks the bucket before his term is done, Vance won’t have the same support behind him even if he quadruples down on Trumpism. Hell, American conservatism really doesn’t have a successor beyond Trump because he was and still is the final form of American conservatism wrapped in a package most of his supporters like. Trump is the extinction burst of the GOP; once he’s gone, no one’s going to be able to root all the branches of the right-wing into one cohesive tree. The next GOP presidential candidate will be either too extreme for moderates or too moderate for extremes. He (and it will be a man) will split the base; if he wins, it will be because the Dems fielded an even shittier candidate than Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. (I know, I know: “What, like it’s hard?”) Trump is the last gasp of conservatism in the US because enough people have finally started realizing that Republicans offer nothing but lies and destruction and regression. It sucks that we’re living through it, but if we can make it, something better can be found on the other side.
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Vance doesn’t have the businesses to personally profit as much from being president. Some of what Trump does is motivated by personal financial self-interest rather than just senility and hate. Vance won’t be able to exploit such opportunities as much or as well. He’ll certainly want to be corrupt and make deals that will enrich him, but he won’t have as effective at it. You won’t see Vance’s name on everything for one thing. Vance will be able to be influenced more by other Republicans, which could go either way. Trump seems to expect Republicans to follow his meandering, random lead. Vance will try to throw Trump’s corpse under the bus and say everything was Trump’s fault when push comes to shove.
All that said, if I had to guess, the next GOP Republican candidate for president will either be a milquetoast wannabe that we’ve seen from previous primaries (Rubio, Cruz, maybe a random governor or senator), but some other billionaire is also going to throw his hat into the ring. That’s when the divide between the tech bros and the traditional conservatives will come to a head. Hopefully, that division will also mean a Democratic victory. Hopefully, Newsom will get defeated in the primary and a decent candidate becomes the next president.
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Yeah, I’d rather not vote for any Democrat who believes in some “we have to be friends with Republicans and reach across the aisle” centrist bullshit. That said: I will vote for him if I have to because voting Republican is out of the question and voting for a third party candidate without ranked-choice voting is as much of a waste as not voting at all.
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Agreed. My pattern recognition and cynicism tells me Newsom is a likely next president, but it won’t be my ideal outcome.
We all knew that the “for the children” argument the conservatives love to yield is bullshit for ages. We are now finding out how bullshit it is. We know now it’s an excuse for either ped****lia or plain evilness. Or most commonly both.
Defamation...
Trump and Vance calling a person who is hear legally and awaiting an asylum hearing an “illegal immigrant” is defamation and since they are both aware of the person’s asylum status it passes the test for “actual malice” which allows a defamation claim against a government employee or elected offical to move forward.