ACIP Decides More Newborns Do Need To Catch Hepatitis B
from the tiny-little-coffins dept
The fucking maniacs did it.
We talked yesterday about how newborn vaccinations for hepatitis B were on the agenda for this latest meeting at ACIP, the CDC’s immunization advisory panel. You likely know all this already, but RFK Jr. fired all ACIP panel members earlier this year, replacing them with hand-picked anti-vaxxer quack-jobs who are aligned with Kennedy’s anti-medicine, anti-science stances on vaccines. No matter the nonsense you hear out of Kennedy’s grumbly mouth, these are deeply unserious people that have been given an enormous responsibility that they are in no way qualified to have. ACIP recommendations are really important, with its guidance driving everything from what private insurers will or are mandated to cover, guiding medical professionals on how to advise their patients, and guiding the public on the types of immunization decisions they ought to be making.
ACIP just told all of those groups that whether or not newborns catch hep B and/or ultimately reach an untimely and painful death is a personal choice they should discuss with their doctors. Doctors that may now advise against vaccination within 24 hours of birth.
On Friday morning, the ACIP voted 8-3 to remove its previous recommendation that all children in the U.S. be vaccinated against hepatitis B starting at birth. In its place, the panel is endorsing “individual-based decision-making” for determining when most children should get their first hepatitis B shot. Many outside groups and experts have sharply criticized the ACIP’s about-face, noting that scant credible data was presented to justify such a dramatic reversal.
“If that recommendation goes forward, it will be without evidence and will ignore over 30 years of existing evidence and gambles with the safety of children,” James Campbell, vice chair of the Committee on Infectious Diseases at the American Academy of Pediatrics, told Gizmodo.
CDC staff and outside experts tried. They really did. They explained what this disease is, what is does, how infectious it is, and how the mass immunization program starting in the early 90s saved thousands of children from infection, from long term complications, and an ultimately early death for some. Here is one simple chart that CDC staff presented to ACIP earlier this year on the matter.

How in the actual hell do you look at that chart and decide vaccinations have to go? Like measles, this is another disease for which we were on the cusp of achieving elimination status. 90% of infections in children become chronic infections. Something like 25% of those infected as children will develop liver cancer or cirrhosis. The fatality rate for both is enormous, even as deaths during the acute phase of the disease are low. In other words, this is a disease that rips years of life away from those infected long after their initial symptoms disappear. Worse, most infections are asymptomatic during the acute infection stage, meaning many of the infected don’t even know it until they get cancer or cirrhosis.
And ACIP has decided we need more of this.
For children born to mothers who test negative for antibodies to hepatitis B, the ACIP is now pushing for an individualized approach, one where “parents should consult with health care providers and decide when or if their child will begin the HBV vaccine series.” And for families who choose not to start vaccination at birth, the ACIP recommended that vaccination not start any earlier than two months (the ACIP offered no clear rationale or evidence for this specific cut-off).
This is incredibly stupid. Even if the CDC adopts the recommendation, I am sure most doctors will still recommend vaccination at birth, since they can read the damned chart above as well or better than I can. But it won’t be all doctors. What insurance companies do as a result of this change is anyone’s guess. Some states are already stating that they’ll go against ACIP’s change and follow the old guidance.
But again, it won’t be all of them. I am confident that a non-zero number of children will get infected with hepatitis B and die an early death as a result of this. I’m confident that some newborns will suffer chronically from the disease as a result of this.
RFK Jr. is harming the health of American newborns. Full stop. Period, paragraph. Hey, Bill Cassidy: anytime you want to do something about this, feel free.
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Comments on “ACIP Decides More Newborns Do Need To Catch Hepatitis B”
I don’t think you realize (or you do):
If Cassidy tries to impeach RFK, Trump will endorse someone against Cassidy.
After all, Cassidy was one of the people who voted to impeach Trump.
And he knows it. He wants to get re-elected, he wants to keep Trump happy, even though he doesn’t approve of what RFK or Trump do. I imagine he wishes he could impeach RFK, but those problems I listed mean he’s unfortunately tied up.
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So what? At some point of time Republican candidates for Congress have to stop assuming that their constituents are all morons. Because if they are, they get the representation they deserve. Democracy is about choice leading to justification of the governing form. It becomes pointless without choice.
So it is the job of politicians to stand for something, to give their winning or losing meaning.
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Weird I thought being a public servant meant acting for the good of the public, not your own self interest.
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Ah yes (re) election. The thing that let’s you violate all the principles you supposedly ran on in the first place.
Re: Do the right thing
It’s a shame that the concept of doing the right thing never seems to enter into these calculations.
Doing the right thing, even when it comes with consequences, shows moral integrity and a sense of personal ethics that seem to be altogether missing in today’s politicians.
And that’s truly a shame.
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Thing is, doing the right thing can get you voted out & replaced with someone much worse.
But yeah, it’s a shame.
I’m sure Cassidy wants to, but again, see the points above your comment.
Re: 'Fixing my mistake might require me to get a real job, guess not then...'
All I’m hearing is that Cassidy is a coward who cares more about his own political career than the lives of hundreds of millions of people, so if that’s the message you were trying to get across with your comment then congrats I guess?
Bet they strip MMRV back down to MMR before a full assault on that one. Just the
chickenpoxtip.Re:
i think an assault with MERVs is the better response.
At least they're consistent...
About believing that the government shouldn’t pick winners and losers.
I think RFK jr and Kegsbreath are having a competition on who can kill the most innocent people.
RFK thinks he’s playing the long game, Hegseth is pitching for all-out war.
Re: Mascot?
Republicans have the elephant. I think the sigil for the MAGA bunch should be a gilded coprolite. A truly elegant representation of not only the movement but its leader, as well.
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We have War and Pestilence, hmm, who is in charge of SNAP cuts again? We’re rapidly approaching a full set of horsemen.
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This is just more evidence that the GOP only care about children from conception to birth. From the moment they’re expelled screaming from the birth canal, they are ON THEIR OWN.
Also, they’d better be White, or they could be ON A PLANE, too.
Re: They're pro-BIRTH, not pro-LIFE
“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. It’s almost as if, by being born, they have died to you.
You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.
Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.
— Dr. Dave Barnhart, Christian Minister
RFK: Well, the graph approaches zero cases, so Hepatitis B doesn’t exist no more, right? Who wants to be fired because it disagrees with me, nobody? Great.
Cranks are going to crank.
I can only hope they can be levered out before things get so much worse.
Trump's droogs
Hey, if you aren’t fucking people’s lives up, you have no business being in this administration.
How in the actual hell do you look at that chart and decide vaccinations have to go?
Easy: you’re more concerned about your own status as a “wellness leader” than about other people’s kids.
Being ignorant of both medicine and statistics makes this far easier. Unfortunately, the American public likes to have its wrong ideas confirmed far more than it likes to be told it is wrong. So it voted for conspiracy theories.
'Who cares if more babies die horribly, my ego matters more!'
There are only so many times you can be told by actual experts that being anti-vax is a deadly position to hold…
Only so many times that you can be presented with verifiable, repeated and consistent evidence that being pro-plague will get people maimed and killed…
… before any benefit of the doubt that you ‘just didn’t know or understand’ gets thrown out the window and replaced with ‘You do not care if you’re getting people maimed and killed, it’s more important to you and your ego to maintain the delusion that you’re a freedom fighter sticking up for the rights of the little people.’
Forget long term for a second, the death toll just in the next decade from this regime is going to make the global death toll from Covid look like a mild summer sniffle in comparison.
Nuremberg
Kennedy and the rest of this entire administration, from the top down, must stand trial. With ALL punishments on the table, no exceptions.
President Trump has ordered that our childhood vaccine schedules be changed to be more in-line with the vaccination schedules of countries like Japan, Germany and others. That is why changes like this are happening.
reuters(dot)com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/trump-signs-memo-align-us-child-vaccines-with-certain-other-countries-2025-12-06/
So I’m not against these changes as a parent.
Re: You may or may not be a parent, but if you're anti-vax you're not a GOOD one
Unless Japan, Germany and ‘others’ also have lunatic anti-vax/pro-plague people in charge of their healthcare recommendations no, the US is not trying to undermine vaccinations in order to better match other countries, they’re doing it because the US put a delusional pro-plaguer in charge of the country’s health and safety and he decided that all the position of note in the government health and safety field should be filled with fellow lunatics and psychopaths that think vaccines cause autism and/or other miscellaneous health risks.
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After the public lies (everyone is guilty), data obfuscation (nationally and internationally), inaccurate information surrounding Covid 19 (everyone is guilty) … I honestly don’t know is the sheer ridiculous number of childhood vaccines individually or collectively have any influence on childhood autism rates or not and I sure as hell don’t know which sides to trust or believe. So I say it’s better to air on the side of caution.
Personally I believe the only solution to this quagmire is for the exact formulas of each vaccine, manufacturing process and all scientific data both public and private be published. Including any and all reports and/or documentation of any side-effects known or theoretical be published in a publicly accessible online portal.
Why do American children need at last count 70+ vaccines but in countries like Japan they receive approximately 15(ish) last I read?
Thought: what I said about vaccines I now think should apply to every single drug that is delivered by pill and injection on the market.
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So I say it’s better to air on the side of caution.
Except you’re not doing that, because ‘erring on the side of caution’ would be to take the gorram vaccines and get your kid(s) vaccinated.
It’s demonstrable that vaccine-preventable illnesses have and can maim and even kill people including(if not especially) children. Even if you believed the lie that vaccines have a chance to cause autism you can live a healthy and happy life with autism, when it comes to diseases that vaccines are meant to keep you from getting or at least reduce the impact they have on you the same can not be necessarily said.
In case you missed it just a few weeks ago TD had another article about the result of parents ‘erring on the side of caution’ and refusing to get their infants vaccinated. You wanna guess what the results are so far? Literally hundreds of children with whooping cough and three dead unvaccinated infants in a single state.
Personally I believe the only solution to this quagmire is for the exact formulas of each vaccine, manufacturing process and all scientific data both public and private be published. Including any and all reports and/or documentation of any side-effects known or theoretical be published in a publicly accessible online portal.
Either you’re got bad doctors or you’re not paying attention, I’m guessing it’s the latter, because every time I’ve picked up a prescription or gone in to get a vaccination it’s included one or more sheet of paper that are nothing but information about possible side effects and what the drug does. Hell I just checked and the huge double-sided piece of paper I’ve got for one of my drugs literally has a diagram of the chemical make-up of the drug.
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You’re almost certainly a shitty parent. Also, most countries (that can afford it) recommend universal hep B birth dose vaccine.
Re: The graph is still better information
What we see is that in the US 20,000 babies a year used to contract Hep B, and now nearly none do, thanks to the changes.
It may be that those other countries have less Hep B in their populations so they don’t have as strong a signal. It might be that their health care networks do a better job of getting infants vaccinated at 2 months than ours does. It can also be that infants in those countries would be better off if they vaccinated newborns at birth.
What we don’t see is that there’s any advantage at all to waiting. No evidence of side effects prevented or better health or any of that. If anything, if you’re worried about adverse reactions, way better to have them in the hospital where babies are well monitored by medical personnel, rather than in the car seat on the ride home.
If it were true that older infants tolerated the vaccine better, I’d be all in favor of seeing that data and reacting to it. No such data has been presented and as far as I know, it doesn’t exist.