Trump Administration Now Murdering People In International Waters Just Because
from the 5th-avenue-but-it's-the-Caribbean dept
The “fresh hell” administration keeps on rolling. There’s no need to actually ask what fresh hell awaits. You need do nothing more than exist and a new fresh hell will be delivered, almost daily.
Here’s the freshest: the US military decided to blow up a boat traveling in international waters — one carrying eleven people, all definitely dead — because… well, no one really seems to be able to say definitively.
There’s a whole lot of vibes going on, but not much else. The man presumably capable of making a final call on extrajudicial killings during war time — famed accused day drinker and Signal chat enthusiast Pete Hegseth — said some stuff that lacked substance or, more importantly, any legal backing while being chatted up by PravdaUS:
The Trump administration has not offered any legal rationale. But Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said in an appearance on “Fox & Friends” on Wednesday that administration officials “knew exactly who was in that boat” and “exactly what they were doing,” although he did not offer evidence.
For whatever reason, Secretary of State Marco Rubio felt compelled to offer his comments on the offshore murders, which went about as well as anything ever does for Marco:
Mr. Rubio had said on Tuesday that it was going to Trinidad, while Mr. Trump said the United States. On Wednesday, Mr. Rubio changed his version, saying the drug-laden boat was bound for the United States.
The secretary said in Mexico City that drug cartels and traffickers, including those on the boat, “pose an immediate threat to the United States, period.”
But no one actually offered any rationale for what happened (and was boasted about by Trump on Truth Social). While officials said some vague stuff about drug trafficking and made unsubstantiated claims about the eleven victims of this attack being Tren de Aragua members, the government was busy working its way backwards from the killings to find some reason for having already killed people:
Pentagon officials were still working Wednesday on what legal authority they would tell the public was used to back up the extraordinary strike in international waters.
A day later, the Defense Department must still have been working on a semi-plausible excuse for breaking all the rules of crime-fighting — especially one in which it certainly appears the US government destroyed a boat carrying eleven people but probably not much (if any!) drugs. The footage of the strike shows a boat more likely carrying refugees/migrants to another country (possibly even Trinidad). Half-mumbled claims about drug dealing and terrorism being pretty much the same thing were made by many in Trump’s cabinet.
The only official comment offered after statements by Rubio and Hegseth was even more useless and insipid than the ones they delivered:
Anna Kelly, a White House spokeswoman, emphasized in a statement late on Wednesday that the strike took place in international waters and did not put American troops at risk. She said that Mr. Trump had directed the attack in “defense of vital U.S. national interests and in the collective self-defense of other nations who have long suffered due to the narcotics trafficking and violent cartel activities of such organizations.”
“The strike was fully consistent with the law of armed conflict,” Ms. Kelly said.
First things fucking last: NO ONE WAS EVER IN THE LEAST BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF US TROOPS. This answers a question no one asked and does nothing more than pad an answer that really isn’t an answer. It’s just more of the same deflection and dribble from the Trump administration. Saying it took place in international waters doesn’t mean — like far too many people believe — that all bets are off and any country can do whatever it wants in waters that don’t actually belong to any single country.
Finally, saying the strike was “consistent” with the “law of armed conflict” only means something if the strike, in fact, complied with law of armed conflict. Simply saying it does doesn’t actually make it legal. That’s what judges call a “conclusory statement” and that’s one of the most worthless things any entity can offer in defense of its actions.
If it was indeed “fully consistent” with the law, you’d think the administration would have already released a memo or statement from the White House Office of Legal Counsel explaining (with citations) why this strike complied with all applicable laws.
But that’s not what happened. Instead, we got some people saying it’s defensible because drug cartels have been called “terrorists” by Trump and another person saying “this was legal because I’m saying it was legal.” Instead, what we’ve been given is an extrajudicial killing, followed by some administration gloating, followed by some administration deflection, which is now followed by the unsettling feeling that this is just beginning of a new wave of awfulness. As Charlie Savage’s headline for the New York Times puts it plainly: Trump has claimed the power of summary execution, which aligns him directly with authoritarian leaders he so obviously admires.
And as if all of this weren’t horrifying enough, here’s the president’s official “War Room” account responding to Senator Rand Paul’s obvious question about the morality of summarily executing people only suspected of committing a crime:

This administration has no use for slippery slopes. It races all the way to the bottom of them and then dares anyone to do anything about it. There’s nothing too unethical, immoral, or illegal to be taken off the table when accomplishing its end goals. The justification for the means can always be generated after the fact and if that fails to hold up to judicial scrutiny, the administration will simply move on to the next lawless act on the authoritarian to-do list — whatever it takes to convert the land of the free into the “vast ecumenical holding company” of the GOP’s fever dreams.
Filed Under: defense department, dod, donald trump, evil, extrajudicial killing, marco rubio, murder, pete hegseth, tda, trump administration, venezuela, war on drugs
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Comments on “Trump Administration Now Murdering People In International Waters Just Because”
re: moment of agreement with rand paul–say what you will about the tenets of right-libertarianism, but at least it’s an ethos!
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Sadly he also went on a rant that being gay is a disqualification for a cdc role.
Make no mistake that he is still a pos
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Slope Already Slipped
Even Nancy Pelosi already said, years ago, that bombing operations like this against foreign terrorists don’t need some kind of special authorization.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkc6he96nZk
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And that was also bad.
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And where’s the evidence that they were terrorists, Koward?
Just kidding, I know there isn’t any.
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It’s sitting right next to the evidence of a billion illegal votes from 2020.
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Wait. Did the story change, and now it’s China that came out and voted for Bidden?
/s
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Nope, it was all one blue-haired non-binary liberal college student with a lot of time on their hands. That’s what I heard from my father’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s best friend’s former roommate at Liberty U, anyway.
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Oh, those votes existed, but after an investigation, they were discounted.
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Way to gloss over the question of whether these are “foreign terrorists”, dipshit. What makes them so, other than President Basketball saying so?
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Hi terrorist, expect a bomb soon
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That doesn’t (a) make Pelosi right or (b) turn drug smugglers into terrorists or (c) prove these actually were drug smugglers.
MAGA are the most credulous morons on the planet.
Quick. How many US troops/federal agents have been injured or killed by, oh let’s be generous, anyone in a boat in the past… uh, how about fifty years?
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57 total, according to this source, and that was just one incident.
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Liberal Trolls
It used to be fun and interesting to read TechDirt. But, since Trupm was elected, they have been on an unhinged rant. The spin on stories is just horrible.
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Door’s to your left! 👋
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No human has ever said that.
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Reality doesn’t need spin.
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TechDirt has always had a spin on stories, and they make no secret about being anti-Trump. But if you’re complaining about this story, maybe say what’s wrong with it. Because it sure looks like what the US did here was murder (and I’m using other sources, not TechDirt’s article, for that conclusion.)
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That’s an interesting way to attempt to disassociate yourself from your team with the crappy red baseball caps.
he can now murder anyone at any time
All he has to do is append the word terrorist. Soon he will be killing peta-terrorists, eco-terrorists, and maybe people disrupting traffic.
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Nothing new here.
The US has a long tradition of extrajudicial killings of suspected Al Quaeda members (plus any number of innocent bystanders).
The UK has determined that Palestine Action is a terrorist organization, even though they have not committed violent actions.
The actions of Israel in Iran, Lebanon, Yemen and Qatar should be called terrorism, were it not for the fact that Israel is a state. (When at least one former Israeli PM was a leader of Irgun, an actual terrorist organization.)
“Terrorism” is just an easy cop-out that governments use.
Has it happened in the “Pacific Ocean of America”, or the “Atlantic Ocean of America”, because Trump hasn’t declared yet which one, if not both, is owned by US.
Can they name even a single person on that boat? Was their justification simply from what they saw in their IR camera?
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Sure. Naming people is easy. Here are some names: Hunter Bradley, Valerie Allen, Darius Myers. But any relation to pre-existing names is purely coincidental.
Although, perhaps it’s worth noting that the United States never signed the Paris Declaration that banned privateering. They thought they might want to do it someday; and then after the Confederate States did it to them, said they wouldn’t (“the United States Government affirmed its policy of conducting hostilities in conformity with the dispositions of the declaration”), but apparently never signed the treaty to make that promise legally binding.
In February, two members of congress proposed to bring it back (guess which party they’re from!):
Strictly speaking, privateers didn’t have official licence to murder. But, hey, shit happens, right? (And let’s not forget about Kilmar Abrego Garcia when we see that the proposed law is ostensibly limited to targeting “cartel members”.)
TBH they might get more blowback for using SpongeBob in that bullshit response.
It remains deeply ironic that a man who has hidden behind due process for his entire (criminal) life sees fit to deny it to others based solely on racism.
But this actually never happened! Because “the USA doesn’t kill civilians”. /s
Cry me a river.
Are you aware that Obama signed the execution of hundreds of people without ever them seeing due process or a court ? He signed. They died. By the hundreds.
Of all the presidents of USA, Obama the sacred-democrat cow is the one with the most lomg murder sheet ever.
Hypocrisy at its finest, heh….
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[Citation needed]