Community And Choice Are Not Bubbles

from the communities-aren't-bubbles dept

Disclosure: I am on the board of Bluesky and am inherently biased. Adjust your skepticism of what I write on this topic accordingly.

It seems a bit odd: when something is supposedly dying or irrelevant, journalists can’t stop writing about it. Consider the curious case of Bluesky, which, according to various pundits, is a failed “liberal echo chamber” that nobody uses anymore. And yet the Washington Post’s Megan McArdle argues that “The Bluesky bubble hurts liberals and their causes,” Josh Barro insists “Bluesky Isn’t a Bubble. It’s a Containment Dome,” and multiple outlets have breathlessly reported on Mark Cuban’s complaints about his personal Bluesky experience as if they were definitive proof of platform failure. Not to be left out, Slate published not one, but two separate articles complaining about Bluesky.

For a supposedly dying bubble that no one wants to use, Bluesky sure generates a lot of traffic-driving hot takes. Which suggests that maybe—just maybe—the entire premise is wrong.

The real story isn’t about Bluesky’s supposed failures—it’s about how these critiques fundamentally misunderstand what people want from social media and who gets to decide what constitutes healthy discourse.

The “echo chamber” myth

Now, you might think that if everyone is complaining about “echo chambers” and “bubbles,” that there must be solid research showing that social media creates them. You would be wrong. The “echo chamber” critique of social media has been thoroughly debunked by researchers, who have consistently found the opposite to be true: people not on social media live in more sheltered information environments than those who are. Professor Michael Bang Petersen gave an interview about his research on the topic where he noted the following:

One way to think about social media in this particular regard is to turn all of our notions about social media upside down. And here I’m thinking about the notion of ‘echo chambers.’ So we’ve been talking a lot about echo chambers and how social media creates echo chambers. But, in reality, the biggest echo chamber that we all live in is the one that we live in in our everyday lives.

I’m a university professor. I’m not really exposed to any person who has a radically different world view or radically different life from me in my everyday life. But when I’m online, I can see all sorts of opinions that I may disagree with. And that might trigger me if I’m a hostile person and encourage me to reach out to tell these people that I think they are wrong.

But that’s because social media essentially breaks down the echo chambers. I can see the views of other people — what they are saying behind my back. That’s where a lot of the felt hostility of social media comes from. Not because they make us behave differently, but because they are exposing us to a lot of things that we’re not exposed in our everyday lives.

Power, not purity

So the “bubble” critique is empirically wrong. But even if it were right, it misses the more important point: this isn’t really about ideological diversity. It’s about who controls the microphone. When critics argue that people should have stayed on ExTwitter to “engage across difference,” they’re ignoring a fundamental reality: Elon Musk controls the algorithm and actively throttles content he dislikes. The NY Times documented how Musk minimizes the reach of those expressing views he disagrees with.

So when McArdle suggests that “liberals” made some mistake by leaving ExTwitter, she’s essentially arguing that people should willingly subject themselves to algorithmic suppression by someone who has explicitly welcomed extremist content back onto the platform. This isn’t about “engaging across difference”—it’s about accepting a rigged game where one side controls the megaphone.

Community, not performance

The “bubble” framing also fundamentally misunderstands what most people want from social media. When you go to a knitting circle, are you disappointed that most people there want to talk about knitting? When you join a book club, do you complain that everyone seems interested in books? Pundits and politicians may want to broadcast to the largest possible audience, but most people are looking for community, not maximum reach.

Most people aren’t looking for a debating arena. They want to talk with people they like about topics they care about—whether that’s knitting, local politics, or professional interests.

This becomes impossible when the platform owner has hung out a shingle for Nazis, and your attempts to discuss your hobbies get drowned out by fascist propaganda algorithmically pushed into your timeline. That’s not “diverse discourse”—it’s just a bad user experience.

Communities have social norms, which can evolve over time

Any community—online or off—develops social norms. These cultural expectations show up as “we don’t do that here” or “we encourage this behavior” signals. Critics complaining about Bluesky’s norms are often just upset that those norms don’t align with their preferences. It’s a bit like complaining that different neighborhoods have different vibes.

Yes, some users can be overly aggressive in enforcing norms, and some reactions can be trigger-happy (I’ve certainly been on the receiving end of some angry responses). But this is true of every community, online and off. If you’ve ever accidentally worn the wrong team’s jersey to a sports bar, you understand how community norms work. The difference is that Bluesky users have actual tools to address these issues themselves, rather than begging platform owners to fix things for them.

Many of the tensions critics point to aren’t unique to Bluesky—they reflect how people are processing a world where fascism is rising in America and democratic institutions are under attack. When people are dealing with existential threats, online interactions can get heated. That’s not a platform problem; it’s a human problem.

But, also, part of the benefit of a system like Bluesky is that it puts users in much greater control over their own experience, meaning they can actually take charge themselves and craft better communities around them, rather than demanding that “the company” fix things. I’m thinking of things like Blacksky, that Rudy Fraser is building. He took the initiative to build community features (custom feeds, custom labelers, etc.) catered to an audience of Black users who want tools for greater self-governance within the ATprotocol ecosystem.

User agency changes everything

This is the fundamental point that critics miss: Bluesky isn’t just another Twitter clone. It’s a demonstration of what happens when you give users actual control over their social media experience instead of forcing them to rely on the whims of billionaires.

For the past decade, social media users have been like restaurant diners who can only eat at one restaurant, where they can’t see the menu in advance, the chef changes the recipes based on his mood, and the only thing diners can do if they don’t like the menu is yell loudly and hope the chef makes something different. Bluesky is more like a food court where you can choose from multiple vendors, see what each one offers, and even set up your own stand if you want. Some people still yell loudly, but out of the learned habit that that’s the only thing you can do.

Most users don’t actually need to know about this, and they don’t need to buy into the ideology of decentralization and user empowerment, but it’s really all about giving the users more control over their social media experience whether directly on a single platform like Bluesky (with things like custom feeds, custom labelers, self-hosted data servers) or through the rapidly growing set of third-party services and apps, some of which have nothing to do with Bluesky.

This represents a fundamental shift from the past decade of social media, where users had to conform to whatever made billionaires happy (posting to the algorithm, accepting whatever content moderation decisions were made) to a system where users can customize their experience to work for them.

The “Twitter competitor” framing is the Trojan Horse. Bluesky demonstrates just one type of service that can be built on an open social protocol—but the real revolution is in returning agency to users.

That kind of user agency and control is part of what also makes some of the other complaints silly. There are better and better tools for taking control over your own experience on Bluesky, and focusing on finding your community. For example, I recently saw that there are labelers that people use to block out talk of US politics (often used by people not in the US and who don’t want to see it).

We need to unlearn the lessons many people have internalized over the past decade and a half. You shouldn’t be at the whims of any billionaire. You should chart your own course, having it set up to work for you, not the billionaire’s best interests. Critics demanding that people return to X are essentially arguing that users should give up this agency and go back to being at the mercy of Elon Musk’s mood swings and algorithmic manipulation.

That kind of user agency and control makes Elon Musk’s version of “free speech” look like what it really is: a billionaire’s right to control the conversation.

The premise is wrong

Finally, the entire premise is wrong. Anyone who actually spends time using Bluesky knows that it’s vibrant and active with a wide variety of discussion topics (and plenty of disagreements and debates, contrary to the whole “bubble” concept). It’s also well aware of what’s happening elsewhere, as there are plenty of discussions about what viewpoints are happening on the wider internet.

The idea that cultural discussions are somehow missing is ridiculous.

The data totally undermines the “dying platform no one uses” narrative: multiple media properties have noted that they get way more traffic from Bluesky than sites like Threads and ExTwitter (both of which throttle posts that include links). And a recent Pew study found that so-called “news influencers” are increasingly on Bluesky.

So we have a platform that publishers say drives more engaged traffic than the “mainstream” alternatives, where news influencers are increasingly active, and which generates enough interest that major media outlets regularly write trend pieces about it. This is not what “failure” looks like.

So basically none of the premises behind those “woe is Bluesky” articles make any sense at all.

About the only context they make sense in is as arguments from people who know they should give up on the sewage drain that ExTwitter has become, but refuse to do so. Rather than deal with their own failings, they are blaming those who have made the leap to a better place and a better system.

So, sure, some people have complaints about Bluesky. But people have complaints about any community they’re in. And Bluesky lets people have way more control over those norms and experiences than any other platform and doesn’t support fascist billionaires at the same time. And, as multiple people have already realized, embracing the Bluesky community already works much better than the billionaire-owned platforms do.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Well, consider how… let’s say, ‘informationally lazy’ most people are.

Social media is a way to passively get a lot of information (in the broadest possible sense of the word), from many sources, delivered to you.

I personally am not a social media kinda guy, but I get a lot of information because I’ve done a lot of work to curate a fairly large selection of various sources, and do the work of actively going to them, and following their links to check their sources, sometimes adding those sources to my roster.

I– and you, if you are like me– are the weirdos in this case. Most people are simply not going to do that much work if they don’t have to.

Ngita (profile) says:

Re: Re: Is techdirt social media?

I would disagree,

I am not on bluesky but I am not on twitter either, I am barely on Facebook, but I rarely go outside my family and friends.

I feel like I have plenty of exposure to dissenting voices, perhaps all the exposure I actually want.

news media dont all agree with each other, what you see on the bbc or abc Australia varies quite a bit from say the daily mail.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

In some countries, an individual’s previous bad actions are allowed to count against them in courts of law. I think Bluesky should do something similar whereby if any public figure has ever engaged in actions violative of Bluesky’s rules before joining, then they are automatically banned and a period of two years’ good behavior (including before sign-up) is required for the ban to be lifted.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2

From what I hear, Vance has become Bluesky’s most blocked user, and the number of people who’ve blocked him far outweighs the number of people following him. Seems like he was expecting to drop into Bluesky and stir up a shitload of trouble so he could earn his conservative troll bona fides, but people have generally been saying “lol no” and blocking him instead of interacting with him, and it’s made Vance basically irrelevant on Bluesky. (It’s also an extension of the whole “Vance is a socially clumsy jackass” thing, where he seemingly thought he could be Bluesky’s Trump.)

A lot of people are tired of dealing with shitheads like him and his supporters, and they’re especially tired of hearing the bullshit they spew over and over. Bluesky’s client-side moderation features⁠—including its comprehensive blocking and its letting people detach their posts from quote-posts⁠—have made it easier for the average person to make that bullshit irrelevant to their social media experience. That will always be a good thing.

Anonymous Coward says:

I’m one of those folks who like to share links in general. So, yes, platforms that throttle such posts are indeed worse for me.

Ironically, this is specifically one reason why FIRE decided to publish more on Substack…

“Over 20% of Americans now regularly get their news from social media platforms. But there’s a catch: Platforms, particularly X, punish users for sharing links in their posts, throttling traffic to other websites, including ours. Historically, FIRE’s website got a significant portion of its traffic from social media posts. Those days are long gone, and AI platforms don’t want you to click any links at all.”

https://www.thefire.org/news/introducing-expression-fires-official-new-substack

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Koby (profile) says:

Purity Test... Test.... test..... tst......

Update: Vice President JD Vance created an account yesterday on Bluesky, but was promptly banned within 20 minutes. Other administrators then overruled the ban and reinstated the JD Vance account. BS spokesmen tried to claim that the ban was an automated system attempting to detect impersonation accounts, despite no other celebrities or politicians being banned.

Despite the reinstatement, the account has now been blocked by over 100k other users.

Rocky (profile) says:

Re: Re:

You know that Koby lives in his little faction optional reality-distorted bubble when he doesn’t even know the basics facts behind why new accounts using the names of public figures will most likely be banned: They don’t do the new verification process BlueSky rolled out in the end of April, a process Vance skipped.

It’s not the most stupid or evil thing Koby stumped for, but stumping for a politicians stupid user error means that Koby doesn’t think anymore – it’s just regurgitation of shit he gets fed from the echo chamber he inhabits.

Brianne Croke says:

Re: He came to troll.

He came to troll. We shut the door in his face. That’s the system working.

He immediately started posting a bunch of incendiary nonsense.

We’ve come to bluesky because there we don’t have to suffer trolls.

Free speech also means I get to decide who I choose to associate with, and if one’s way of saying hello is to try to pick a fight, yeah I’m going to walk away

Citizen (profile) says:

Re: Running from flies

I’ve shared this story a few times, and I think it’s a fitting allegory for the practice of blocking.

Every day, weather, health, and schedule permitting, I go on a walk around my neighborhood. One day, a fly took an interest in me. It constantly buzzed around my head. It never stayed on one place long enough for me to clap it in mid-air, nor did swatting it away with one hand keep it away. It turns out, however, that flies are slower than their incredible dodging abilities would have you believe. I managed to rid myself of the fly simply by sprinting a block or two.

That fly may have been a foreseeable consequence of going on a walk, but that didn’t mean I was under any obligation to put up with its presence. Given my experience with flies, I also had no reason to believe I had anything to gain from continuing to let it pester me; it’s not as if it had a realistic chance of eventually delivering an important message from God if I let it continue annoying me. If I actually did miss out on such a message… well… too bad. Maybe God should have chosen a less annoying messenger, then. If you’re willing to put up with flies on the off chance one will tell you something important, you do you, but that doesn’t mean we reasonable folk are going to follow your lead.

It’s the same way with MAGA. Every MAGA I’ve met on Bluesky is just there to get under liberals’ and leftists’ skin, not have a good-faith conversation. I’m no more obligated to put up with them than I am obligated to put up with a fly buzzing around my head.

Bloof (profile) says:

Re:

Conservatives took over what they described as the town square and filled it with garbage, screaming that they hated the libs. You can’t then turn around and demand that the libs let you join them in their garden because the Town Square is icky now and boring without libs to own.

You made Twitter what it is now, you aren’t going to be welcomed elsewhere. Enjoy getting sick from the ratbites you entitled fascist dweeb.

dirtyyellowmilkcrates (profile) says:

Re: So what.

Verification of such people is good. I saw first hand multiple impostor accounts for certain celebrities, before verification was implemented.

All those blocking him shows that he’s unpopular. We already know he’s a liar, and covered extensively in the media. While I have not blocked him (yet?), I can understand why many do – they don’t need or want he crap directly in their feed.

Citizen (profile) says:

Re: Shoo, fly!

I have a story for you, pesky one:

Every day, weather, health, and schedule permitting, I go on a walk around my neighborhood. During one of those walks, I attracted the attention of a fly. While that is a foreseeable consequence of going on a walk, it is not among my reasons for going on one. This fly simply would not get the message that I wanted it to leave me alone. I could swat it aside with one hand, but it came right back. It never stayed in sight long enough for me to clap it in midair, either. It eventually occurred to me that I might be able to rid myself of it by sprinting, so I tried that. It worked. It turns out that despite their incredible reflexes, flies actually aren’t that fast.

Why do I tell you this story? Because just as I want to go on a walk without having to put up with flies buzzing around my head, so, too, do I want to use social media without having to listen to MAGA propagandists and trolls. Just because you might find value in their drivel does not mean I do; to me, they are simply a nuisance, never saying anything interesting or enlightening. Bluesky gives me the tools to limit my exposure to them. My experience with MAGAs is that they are never there for good-faith debate; most are just there to be annoying and the few that are more than just trolls either lie or “presume a well-hidden fire based on the lack of smoke” when engaged with. To put up with MAGAs on social media on the off chance that one has something to say that’s worth listening to is akin to putting up with flies on my walk on the off chance that one of them is an angel in disguise with an important message from God.

Phil Snead says:

BluesGuy

Props to BS for having you on their Board. I’ll find something to whine about soon. I find Blue Sky pretty harmless but of course since JD’s there now I’ve logged out permanently. Somehow just blocking him seemed to fall short of a proportionate counterstrike so me staying off the platform delivers IMPACT. Pwn the Maga.

Anonymous Coward says:

Most people aren’t looking for a debating arena.

This is perhaps the core problem. People should be more open to different views and willing to engage with others who disagree but on the whole they are not.

Anyone who actually spends time using Bluesky knows that it’s vibrant and active with a wide variety of discussion topics (and plenty of disagreements and debates, contrary to the whole “bubble” concept).

Yes but the range of discussion is confined to a relatively narrow set of views.

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TKnarr (profile) says:

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This is perhaps the core problem. People should be more open to different views and willing to engage with others who disagree but on the whole they are not.

Why? If I want to talk with other techies about code and programming languages, why should I have to engage with people who want to argue politics? And if I do want to argue politics, why should I have to engage with people who don’t want to argue in good faith?

I’ve found more and more that the people most vehement about “echo chambers” and most insistent on “engaging with other views” are the ones least open to other views and are frustrated that other people can tell them to sod off and make it stick.

Citizen (profile) says:

Re: Online arguments ≠ academic debate

While I agree with the principle that it’s good to have an open mind, the trick is doing so without wasting time on trolls and other bad actors who aren’t actually interested in taking a serious look at the topic at hand. If you have the patience to engage with trolls and bad actors on the off chance that you’ll eventually run into who shares the aforementioned people’s political views and is willing to engage in a serious and honest discussion, good for you. I think most of us would rather not dig through a cesspit in search of a gem that allegedly is hidden in the muck, though, and I do not appreciate being implicitly accused of narrowmindedness for prioritizing my mental health. I didn’t join Bluesky to listen to the same tired arguments for right-wing tyranny that I routinely hear from Koby right here in Techdirt comments sections, let alone put up with mockery from a bunch of people who are only there to “own the libs.”

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Hmmm that OP AC seems to not be responding. Does that mean they are unwilling to engage with people who disagree with them about this topic?[0]

[0] Another perfectly valid possibility is: they made their comment and then went on deal with the rest of their life… which I guess still suggests they aren’t willing to invest the life energy to deal with those who disagree.

Drew Wilson (user link) says:

This is just par for the course for mainstream media. As a general rule, mainstream media hates all things internet and social media. So, they do everything to dig deep and make it look as bad as possible. Did someone do something stupid on social media? It’s part of a massive trend on social media! Did someone say something mean on social media? Social media is a toxic place completely filled with uncontrollable hate speech! A lot of these media outlets want to go back to the bad old days when they exclusively controlled the microphone and not ordinary people who would otherwise be beholden to every tidbit of information they were willing to tip their hand to. Those days are long gone, but they are still fighting to turn back the hands of time to before the internet was a big thing.

I still remember busting an outlet for faking evidence of a “trend” on Tiktok which supposedly featured Joe Biden swearing at people. They breathlessly say that TikTok is doing nothing to fight against fake AI generated video’s. Yet, the hit piece was so bad, the screen shots of those “viral videos” on TikTok left the traffic statistics in where some examples got zero likes while others only got two or three. I know Mike reported on several fake “trends” as well that the media were pushing as if it were a real thing when, in fact, it largely wasn’t “a thing”.

Large media outlets will never stop running hit pieces on social media. They’ve long made it their mission to lie their asses off to make social media seem like an out of control menace to society that must be shut down. The fact that they are attacking Bluesky should be seen as a good development because they are threatened enough by its existence to attack it.

Tim W says:

BlueSky is dying for a lot of people. They signed up and post and nobody interacts with their content. On Twitter/X, at least they get a statistic confirming that someone has “viewed” their post. BlueSky doesn’t collect view stats. It’s driven a lot of people back to Twitter. If you do a search on BlueSky, you’ll find a lot of people complaining that it seems like nobody reads their posts.

This is even more suprising considering that BlueSky recently implemented some very useless post stats, “likes on retweets.” This is so contradictory, giving more stats to people who already have a superabundance of data, but keeping newcomers in the dark by failing to provide view counts. No wonder they go back to Twitter/X.

People who begged for “likes on retweets” should realize how important post views are to people and give it to them.

Andrew Johnston (user link) says:

The Incuriosity of the Chattering Class

What kills me about the kind of commentary you get from McArdle, Barro et al. is that all of these people assume that the median American is as obsessed with political drama as they are. Part of that is that they figure that anyone on Bluesky must be there because they’re a liberal weenie unable to engage with the serious ideas of people with accounts named after jokes you told in the third grade.

It never occurs to them that there are pragmatic reasons to opt out of the wonderful Twitter experience. A lot of my writer/creative friends abandoned the site once Musk started playing games with outbound links because it made Twitter less useful. I write for a website where both the owner and many of the writers have political disagreements with Musk and his bigoted buddies, but the reasons they finally decamped were down to Twitter’s increasing unreliability. Bluesky is more useful for us right now.

One thing that kills me about these centrist types in the break-the-internet crowd is how incurious they are. They don’t know how anyone not involved in political commentary engages with the internet or what their experiences are like. What’s more, they don’t care.

Drew Wilson (user link) says:

Re:

Absolutely agree. What gets lost on the pundits is that people engage with social media for a whole variety of reasons. It’s about everything. Some people go on social media to talk about poker. Some people go on social media to talk about games. Others go on social media to discuss art and artistic techniques. You name it, it’s on there somewhere.

For certain pundits, though, that doesn’t count as “real” topics worth looking at. Therefore, they basically blocked it all out of their minds when discussing social media in general and pretend that the only “real” conversations are the ones they personally happen to be interested in.

Arianity (profile) says:

The “echo chamber” critique of social media has been thoroughly debunked by researchers, who have consistently found the opposite to be true:

One minor quibble- the fact that social media in general isn’t a bubble doesn’t necessarily imply a new social media platform can’t be a bubble. (ie, Truth Social or Gab are bubbles. Post-Musk Twitter as well.)

I’d also be careful with that quote. The fact that real life is a bubble doesn’t mean that social media isn’t a lesser bubble. (Aside: that link also doesn’t really seem to go back to a thorough debunking)

The “bubble” framing also fundamentally misunderstands what most people want from social media…But, also, part of the benefit of a system like Bluesky is that it puts users in much greater control over their own experience, meaning they can actually take charge themselves and craft better communities

I mean, they’re not mutually exclusive. To the extent that people want things that reaffirm their worldview, that will contribute to a bubble. That’s kind of the entire problem. We saw this with traditional media- conservatives didn’t want a Cronkite, and when Fox came along in the food court, they went to Fox. To the extent that stuff like social media feeds into polarization, part of it is precisely that feeds into people’s wants.

Yes, some users can be overly aggressive in enforcing norms, and some reactions can be trigger-happy

The thing is, Twitter’s enforcement of norms is also just… screaming at people. These days, it’s even Nazi’s screaming at you. I’m not the first to make this observation, but it is really telling when people are bothered more by a random lefty account screaming at them over (many more) Nazis.

That all said, the people complaining are pretty clearly just mad they’re not in the cool kids club. It’s not a coincidence that it’s the Barros and McArdles of the world- right wing gadflies whose job is to annoy liberals. And the irony of it all is that the best way to fix the supposed echo chamber would be for them to go onto Bluesky. They would add a lot of diversity! The fact that they’re completely uninterested gives up the game.

The data totally undermines the “dying platform no one uses” narrative:

What do you think about things like unique users/likes/posts being down, that was going around about a month ago? (I’m aware that some of this is normal after a big user acquisition spike. I’m curious if Bsky see this as transient, or existential)

Doctor Biobrain says:

Re:

I think the point is that framing it as a bubble is inaccurate. Nobody calls their friend group a bubble. It’s only a bubble if you assume you’re required to interact with people you dislike. I myself prefer to interact with people I disagree with, which is why I’m responding to you. But that’s not me going outside of a bubble. I just like debating people as a hobby and consider it a plus if anyone agrees with me.

And I don’t think anyone on the left is looking to reaffirm our beliefs. It’s about having people you enjoy being with and sharing news and other stories. Only the right wants affirmation because everything they believe is a lie and it’s so hard for them to find anything that supports the narratives they’re told. They all need to be told they’re the special ones and it’s the fault of liberals and the Bogeyman that life doesn’t work the way they’re told it does. But even they don’t like right-only spaces since they’re only on the right to spite the left. That’s why they want us back on Twitter.

That’s not to say all lefties are unbiased or don’t suffer from groupthink, but that’s not what they’re going for. They just want a place where they can feel comfortable, without constantly being told that they’re stupid evil marxist communist socialists who hate America and want sadness, suffering, and crime for everyone. I mean, I take those insults as a badge of honor but not everyone is the same.

Doctor Biobrain says:

This reminds me of the Usenet days when a vocal minority on alt.atheism wanted to ban theists, even though the rest of us were only there to dogpile on any Christians foolish enough to show up for a debate. Like…what would atheists even talk about if we weren’t debunking religion? The weather? I was fine with Christian groups banning us but it made no sense for us to exclude the people we were there to debate. Different strokes for different folks.

But that’s why I don’t like any of the Twitter style sites including Bluesky and Mastodon cuz it’s such a terrible format for debate. I can’t even fart in fewer than 500 characters. I actually got in a debate earlier this year during a short time I used my old Twitter account when I had six morons who proclaimed themselves to be the foremost experts on the Kyle Rittenhouse trial try to defeat me in a 6-on-1 debate which was only challenging due to the terrible Twitter format. It’s like shouting across a crowded room.

But I actually tried signing up at Bluesky awhile ago just to pump the numbers but some jerk already stole my username even though it’s not his real name. No chance I’m posting as DoctorBiobrain69 or whatever so I just gave up. There can be only one!

Doctor Biobrain says:

Re: Re:

This is a distinction I don’t make. We don’t say that Christians are different from christians. An atheist is anyone who doesn’t worship a god. I refer to the rude ones as militant atheists and I’ve always pushed back against them because they’re rude and make the rest of us look bad.

I don’t dunk on Christians ever and respect anyone who has a positive belief system. If they say something factually incorrect, I politely correct them; the same as I do with everyone. But if they want a debate, I debate on whatever topic they want. Like I said, I always respected their spaces. But if they come to an atheist space looking for a fight, they’ll get a fight. That’s what they were there for.

morganwick (profile) says:

I wonder if part of what makes people think Bluesky or any other social media is an echo chamber is precisely because it isn’t. Social media exposes you to a wide variety of perspectives from all across the political spectrum, and it’s often easy to tune out those ideas you disagree with while listening to people who have more extreme versions of ideas you agree with. People who considered themselves leftists would have never dreamed of interacting with full-on communists, and the same with conservatives and fascists, but social media gives them much more of a voice. The result is that you, and those that think similarly to you, end up getting radicalized into the most absolutist version of your most core principles, whereas before the local ideology of the people you know would have been relatively stable and sane.

Jooc Ifer says:

BlueSky behavior

The insta-block response typical on Bluesky is enjoyable and advantageous, but I suspect there’s data available that shows that level of blocking also harms engagement on a site

Once the scolds block the assholes, a level of equilibrium is reached where most posts are a variation of “I know, right?”

.. and “I know, right?” singing to the choir itself gets boring, which affects engagement negatively as well.

I wonder how BS will address this

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