Lindsey Graham Thinks It Should Be Illegal To Identify ICE Agents

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We’re just supposed to assume that the masked person brandishing a gun and ordering us to get into an unmarked vehicle is a federal agent, rather than a criminal. We’re just supposed to buy into this new, hideous version of immigration enforcement that utilizes military gear, long guns, and a complete lack of identification as normal stuff Americans should just put up with.

But various gods forbid we actually expect public servants to be a bit more forthcoming about their public duties. Using apparently completely made-up stats about “increases” in “attacks” on ICE agents, ICE’s enablers justify the complete erasure of public accountability — something that starts with informing people you are actually a law enforcement officer by… you know… behaving like a law enforcement officer. Your agency should be named prominently. Your face — unless you’re engaging in a truly covert operation — should be visible.

Raiding homes and businesses to round up anyone looking kind of Hispanic in broad daylight isn’t a covert operation. Do your job right or get the fuck out of the business. If you’re in public, you assume the risks. But lots of people in or orbiting the Trump administration seem to think the government should be allowed to spend tax dollars without feeling obligated in any way to the people paying their salaries.

Enter someone who definitely hasn’t earned his publicly-funded paycheck, Senator Lindsey Graham.

If you can’t read/see the embed, it’s a Xtwit from Lindsey Graham, which says he wants to make it illegal for anyone to name/shame ICE agents.

I will soon introduce new legislation that would increase penalties for existing statutes — or if necessary create new statutes — designed to protect ICE agents or other law enforcement officers involved in covert operations.

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Disclosing ICE agents’ identities, as threatened, could put the agents and their families in danger.

This is Senator Graham’s response to comments made by House minority leader Hakeem Jeffries during a press briefing last week.

Democrats and immigration rights advocates have criticized ICE agents for wearing masks, likening them to enforcers from fascist and communist regimes.

“This is America. This is not the Soviet Union,” Democratic House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries said at a press briefing on June 3.

“We’re not behind the Iron Curtain. This is not the 1930s. And every single one of them, no matter what it takes, no matter how long it takes, will of course be identified.”

Everything Jeffries said is true. We’re not behind the Iron Curtain. We’re not Hitler’s Germany. We should not have secret police. So, it stands to reason, officers carrying out federal government programs should be immediately identifiable via name tags, marked vehicles, and prominent display of the federal agency they’re working for. We expect this from regular law enforcement. Federal law enforcement shouldn’t be given a special exception to this assumption.

The only reason anyone would advocate for this is because they want to distance their stormtroopers from any form of accountability. When rights are violated (and they are… all the time) during migrant raids, masks and stripping of agency emblems makes it all but impossible to file complaints, much less lawsuits, against government agents who have violated rights. It also ensures officers won’t be named and shamed.

It also protects officers from any internal attempts at accountability, however unlikely they might be under this administration. Ensuring officers always remain unidentifiable hamstrings internal investigations by making any outside recordings of public interactions with officers completely useless.

Any speculation about the danger posed to ICE agents’ “families” is exactly that: speculation. There is no evidence suggesting this sort of threatening is so commonplace it justifies the continuous hiding of agents’ identities. If it was, you’d expect to see more protesters or undocumented migrants facing criminal charges for these threats.

This is Graham, once again, rolling over to show Trump his exposed belly. And that would be fine if it only ensured Graham was beholden to Trump as long as Trump remains in power. But this move affects everyone. And it’s hard to believe it would survive a review by the courts, despite the pre-loading of federal courts Trump performed during his last term.

This is cowardice in service of cowards who claim to fear for their safety even as they wage a war of terror on migrant-heavy neighborhoods and businesses. If you want to wear the jackboots, you should be willing to take everything that comes with it, including the fact that you’re still a public servant carrying out your duties in public. If you don’t like that part of the job or your obligations to the American public, you’re more than welcome to leave the job. And the country.

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Koby (profile) says:

You Got It Backwards

The Iron Curtain was designed to keep the Soviet population trapped inside. Folks who tried to escape were fired upon with rifles. As the old saying goes, socialism never works if there’s an escape hatch.

America, by contrast, has folks trying to get INSIDE. The direction of people points to the direction of freedom.

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MrWilson (profile) says:

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The point about the Iron Curtain wasn’t about keeping people in or out. It was about pointing out that we shouldn’t be an authoritarian society with secret police who can just disappear people as they like without due process.

Way to miss the obvious point.

And the “freedom” and people trying to get inside argument doesn’t work as a bragging point if you’re supporting a regime that is actively trying to kick those seeking asylum out based on the color of their skin or their country of origin, especially when that seeking of freedom lands innocent people in foreign prisons.

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Koby (profile) says:

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You are not in authoritarian society. The people have voted for the chief executive to enforce existing law. Nobody is being “disappeared”. The government knows that identity fraud and identity theft are occurring at particular businesses when the SSN info for the W-2 is clearly bogus or mismatched. Warrants are being carried out, and the illegals who snuck into the country are getting their deportation hearing.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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You are not in authoritarian society.

Trump acts as if his word is law. He demands loyalty not to the country or the Constitution, but to him and him alone; anyone he perceives as disloyal by following U.S. law instead of his law is eventually booted from his regime. He demands investigations into his enemies and fealty from those who could be his enemies if he so demands. He is working to dismantle government agencies such as FEMA because he doesn’t think the federal government should be in the business of helping the people of this country. And he’s pardoned the insurrectionists from the 6th of January 2021 as well as a convicted murderer, and there’s a good chance he’ll pardon anyone he perceives as “friendly” or loyal to him even if they’ve been fairly convicted of serious crimes.

Trump is a fascist. His regime is all but begging to send the military into Los Angeles and declare martial law within a state run by someone vehemently opposed to Trump’s bullshit. You can keep whitewashing his actions the same way his regime wants to whitewash American history (and subtly supporting the ideals of segregationists), but everyone who hasn’t been brainwashed by Fox News and OANN knows better.

Nobody is being “disappeared”.

Only because the Trump regime hasn’t figured out how to get people out of the country without courts, lawyers, and regular citizens finding out and fighting back. But you should know by now that if anyone loses their right to due process, so does everyone else. After all, if Trump and his cronies can get away with declaring that people who aren’t citizens don’t have rights and can be treated any way the regime wants, what’s to stop them from declaring that I’m not a citizen and stripping my rights?

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MrWilson (profile) says:

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You are not in authoritarian society.

In many cases, we are and we’re escalating further in that direction and you’re cheerleading for it. You’re literally in the other thread advocating for murdering people over their free speech expressions. You’ve literally claimed anything Trump does is legal, in direct contradiction of the Constitution.

The people have voted for the chief executive to enforce existing law.

We’re a constitutional democracy, meaning that there are some things elections aren’t able to cover, such as voting in favor of constitutional violations. You can’t elect a person for the purpose of violating the law. They can’t violate the law with impunity simply because they got elected. That you pretend this is the case proves that you’re an authoritarian. You think Trump has greater authority than the president is actually provided by the Constitution.

Nobody is being “disappeared”.

People are being abducted off the streets by masked men in paramilitary garb who do not identify themselves and the abductees are showing up many states away and in some cases in other countries before the family or lawyers hear about their status.

The government knows that identity fraud and identity theft are occurring at particular businesses when the SSN info for the W-2 is clearly bogus or mismatched.

Sure, and Dubya knew where the WMDs were in Iraq that we never found. Your faith in fascists making excuses is misplaced.

Warrants are being carried out,

ICE agents are literally on film claiming they don’t need warrants.

and the illegals who snuck into the country are getting their deportation hearing.

Except they’re literally not in all cases. And in some cases, they’re getting a hearing, being allowed to stay by the court until further hearings, and the government is deporting them anyway against court orders.

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Scott_in_MI says:

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America, by contrast, has folks trying to get INSIDE. The direction of people points to the direction of freedom.

The implication, then, is that the collapse in encounter numbers at the border signals a recognition that the country is much less free than it used to be.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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How am I imagining myself the victim here if I’m a born-and-raised American born to American citizens who doesn’t even live in LA? My point is that if the LAPD, ICE, the National Guard, and/or the Marines kill one of the undocumented immigrants they’re rounding up, you⁠—being a part of the GOP death cult⁠—would have absolutely no problem with their death because you see that immigrant not as a person, but as a pest to be either ejected from the country or eradicted to prevent further “infestation”. That’s who you are, Koby: a sociopath who doesn’t care if people you see as “the enemy” are killed by your always righteous, always correct, always morally superior Dear Leader and the loyal lackeys of his regime.

You wanna know what’s funny? I see all these stories about people leaving various government agencies because they don’t want to be seen as collaborting with or acting in service of the Trump regime. None of those stories are about ICE agents. All the thuggery, the fearmongering, all the morally repugnant bullshit⁠—like blackbagging college students off the street⁠—is what they want to be doing. They want to hurt people, even if you (or they) don’t see those people as people. They want violence to happen so they have an excuse to hurt people worse…or even kill them, for that matter. What do they have to worry about? They could slaughter a whole room of undocumented immigrants and Trump would pardon them for running “pest control”. So remember this, Koby: You’re putting an awful lot of trust in the idea that the leopards won’t eat your face when they’re hungry and yours is the only face around.

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BernardoVerda (profile) says:

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“You’re putting an awful lot of trust in the idea that the leopards won’t eat your face when they’re hungry and yours is the only face around.”

It’s worse than that. There’s no safety in numbers here. What our dearest (and densest) authoritarianism advocate is overlooking, is that chosen victims aren’t necessarily “the only one around” but merely any expedient or convenient one, that happens to be ready to hand at the moment.

And without any concern for (or even lip service to) due process, in the end that means pretty much anybody that somebody else wants gone, out of the way, or simply doesn’t like, is only another victim-in-waiting that just hasn’t been taken down yet.

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Constitutional Conservative says:

Standing our ground

As a gun-owning former Republican of 30+ years, I’d suggest that Lindsay is a reckless fool that wants people to get killed by not thinking this one through.

You’d better believe that if plainsclothes ICE thugs knock down our home door refusing to identify they’re government employees with a warrant to enter, they’re going to discover what Stand Your Ground laws are about. And those ICE officials know that in our red states, a jury isn’t going to convict someone defending their family and home from violent intruders who failed to identify their authority and enter legally.

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Sok Puppette says:

Re: Re: Careful...

Using apparently completely made-up stats about “increases” in “attacks” on ICE agents, ICE’s enablers justify the complete erasure of public accountability

It’s probably bad to give any ammo by making it a central issue that they’re making it up. Even if there were a real spike in attacks on ICE agents, it wouldn’t be OK for them to not identify themselves (and prove their identity).

That matters because ICE is out there provoking people (partly by not identifying themselves). There almost certainly will be attacks on ICE agents. The Trump administration wants there to be attacks on ICE agents, so the attacks can be used as “justifications” for more draconian and more generalized crackdowns on the populace. If nobody takes them up on their current provocations, they’ll keep ramping them up until somebody does.

When attacks start happening, ICE will still not be justified in going around masked.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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ICE has nothing to fear in “red states” because those are the states where ICE is practically welcome to do as they please. They’re the same states that voted for Trump and his “Mass Deportation Now” promises; why wouldn’t ICE be able to walk around unbothered in such places?

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Captain Spicy says:

It’s truly frightening how quickly rights and liberties that Americans have taken for granted for decades, if not centuries, can be eroded. The sheer speed that extreme authoritarianism can become “business as usual” should set pulses racing in every person in every country.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

What they SAY versus what they DO

If he actually cared about the safety of the modern gestapo that is ICE then he would be going the other way entirely, requiring uniforms and easily visible forms of identification on them so that when one of them crosses the line their bosses can publicly condemn them and show the public that illegal and/or unethical actions are not tolerated among their members.

By doing everything they can to hide the identifies of individuals they instead give the public very solid reasons to distrust all of them and every reason to expect that no efforts will be taken to hold their own accountable because even they will have no idea which particular goon is responsible for which rights violation.

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