But Her Emails Redux: Team Trump Makes CIA Send List Of All Recently Hired Employees Over Unclassified Email

from the everything-is-just-so-stupid-now dept

Remember when Donald Trump and the MAGA universe wanted to “lock her up!” over Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal email server for State Department business?

Let’s be clear, we found Clinton’s use of a personal email server, which she claimed to have used “for convenience”, deeply problematic but pretty clearly not criminal. And, as we’ve covered for years now, it’s unfortunately (tragically) common for government officials to use personal emails from Colin Powell to many Trump officials, including Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump. This is the same administration, mind you, that later mishandled classified documents at Mar-a-Lago and various other properties. During the first Trump admin, the NSA kept trying to warn admin officials to stop using their personal email, which you’d think they’d know, given the whole “but her emails” stuff.

So, really, if anyone were briefed on how emails can be insecure, you would hope it was the Trump administration.

About that… Yesterday, the NY Times revealed that the Trump administration demanded that the CIA hand over the names of everyone the CIA hired in the last two years which, for fairly obvious reasons, could contain some pretty sensitive information.

So, of course, the White House demanded this sensitive information be sent via unclassified email.

The C.I.A. sent the White House an unclassified email listing all employees hired by the spy agency over the last two years to comply with an executive order to shrink the federal work force, in a move that former officials say risked the list leaking to adversaries.

The list included first names and the first initial of the last name of the new hires, who are still on probation — and thus easy to dismiss. It included a large crop of young analysts and operatives who were hired specifically to focus on China, and whose identities are usually closely guarded because Chinese hackers are constantly seeking to identify them.

Let that sink in: The same administration that wanted Clinton jailed over email security just demanded the CIA expose its newest China-focused recruits through unsecured channels.

Surprisingly, the Trump admin didn’t deny any of this, but just said they were sure it was no big deal.

Current officials confirmed that the C.I.A. had sent the names of employees to the White House’s Office of Management and Budget, complying with an executive order signed by President Trump. But the officials downplayed security concerns. By sending just the first names and initials of the probationary employees, one U.S. official said, they hoped the information would be protected.

That, of course, is fucking nonsense:

One former agency officer called the reporting of the names in an unclassified email a “counterintelligence disaster.”

[…..]

[F]ormer officials scoffed at the explanation, saying that the names and initials could be combined with other information — from driver’s license and car registration systems, social media accounts and publicly available data from universities that the agency uses as recruiting grounds — to piece together a more complete list.

Any competent intelligence operation – like, say, China’s – can easily cross-reference this information with publicly available data and standard OSINT techniques to identify these recruits. It’s literally Intelligence 101. Hell, we even published a card game years ago based on the CIA’s internal training tool that tells analysts to do exactly that!

As for why it was sent as an unclassified mailing, the ranking House Intelligence Committee member, Rep. Jim Himes, says the White House “insisted” on the CIA sending the list in an unclassified email.

It’s worth asking: If a hostile foreign power wanted to compromise US intelligence capabilities, would their wishlist look any different from what the Trump administration is actually doing?

Apparently, the reason that the admin wanted this list is because they’re basically trying to get a huge portion of the CIA to quit (they just offered the highly questionable mass resignation offer to the CIA), and they’re so completely terrified of the word “diversity” that they’ve decided the most recent hires are “DEI.”

Why? Because the CIA realized recently that it needed more diverse agents and analysts in order to better understand what was happening in places like China:

Under William J. Burns, the former C.I.A. director, the agency put a new emphasis on trying to recruit a diverse group of officers, arguing that overseas spying operations required people with an array of language skills and cultural knowledge. He focused particularly on expanding the agency’s coverage of China, creating a China center at the headquarters that included analysts, operatives and others. When Mr. Burns arrived at the agency in 2021, about 9 percent of the agency’s budget was devoted to China-related analysis and espionage; today it is closer to 20 percent.

Let’s spell this out: The CIA recognized that to effectively spy on and analyze China, they needed people who actually understand Chinese language, culture, and society. You know, the kind of basic competence you’d expect from an intelligence agency. The “diversity” they sought wasn’t about checking boxes — it was about having agents and analysts who could actually do the job.

But it sounds like the Trump admin saw the word “diverse,” collapsed upon their fainting couch while clutching their pearls, and demanded all the names of these “diverse” new recruits to prepare to shed all those pesky “DEI” hires. Because apparently, in their world, having Mandarin-speaking analysts focusing on China is just woke virtue signaling.

What could possibly go wrong?

As Daniel Drezner notes, this story almost perfectly encapsulates the absolute idiocy that is the current Trump administration:

So, to sum up: in order to comply with the Trump White House’s myriad edicts, the CIA has:

  • Burned its most recent cadre of recruits;
  • Weakened its ability to focus intelligence assets on China;
  • Undermined its recruitment capacity for the future; and
  • Unwittingly demonstrated why a jihad against DEI weakens rather than strengthens U.S. foreign policy competence.

The irony is almost perfect: An administration that campaigned on email security is now deliberately exposing our intelligence apparatus through unsecured emails, all because they’ve turned “diversity” into such a boogeyman that they can’t tell the difference between basic operational competence and their imagined DEI crisis.

Ah, but her emails!

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Anonymous Coward says:

It’s worth asking: If a hostile foreign power wanted to compromise US intelligence capabilities, would their wishlist look any different from what the Trump administration is actually doing?

Sure that’s worth asking. But begs another question: Why would any hostile foreign power bother compromising US intelligence? At this point we’re[0] blowing holes in our own systems as fast as we can. I think the only “risk” this poses for foreign entity, is that the US might itself completely lose the (uncorrupted) data they wish to obtain.

[0] A figurative “we”. Hopefully everyone knows I mean “they”

Anonymous Coward says:

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We’ve still got assets, both human and informational.

Our adversaries are watching us destroy ourselves. That doesn’t mean things kept secret up until now have lost value.

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David Longfellow says:

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“Let’s be clear, we found Clinton’s use of a personal email server, which she claimed to have used “for convenience”, deeply problematic but pretty clearly not criminal.”
Let’s be clear. The writers at Techdirt wouldn’t find anything any democrat did criminal.
EVER.

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Maaatt says:

Yeah, her emails.

SHe willfully broke classified handling rules, exposed REAL spies to the internet. If you don’t realize that, MM, you’re even dumber than I thought (which is hard).

By comparison, a list of very junior analysts is not a big deal, yes. And their identities won’t really matter when they’re no longer employed by the CIA, will it?

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Strawb (profile) says:

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SHe willfully broke classified handling rules

So did Trump.

exposed REAL spies to the internet

So did Trump.

By comparison, a list of very junior analysts is not a big deal, yes.

Fuck you. The list contained all hires for the last two years. I know you have the brain of an infant, but thinking that every single new hire for two years are all “junior analysts” is particularly brain-dead, even for you. It’s so stupid that I’m fairly certain you know how ridiculous this is, but you’re so blinded by your hate for the left that you’d rather downplay this monumental intelligence fuckup by Trump.

But keep celebrating, racist. Trump’s race to the bottom will include you eventually.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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And their identities won’t really matter when they’re no longer employed by the CIA, will it?

Yeah that’s totally how intelligence operations normally work – well spotted. They should make you CIA director. Or maybe you already are, and we’ll find out after you quit, because that’s how it works.

Anonymous Coward says:

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SHe willfully broke classified handling rules, exposed REAL spies to the internet.

If only there was someone who had the balls to arrest her, you wouldn’t still be complaining about it.

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Mamba (profile) says:

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No. Fucking No.

The people that broke the law were the people that took the classified material out of the SCIF and then put it on an unsecure system and then emailed it to Hilary. Not Hilary.

Previous Secretaries of States used their personal email….that was hosted elsewhere.

Bush the Lesser used an email server that was hosted by the RNC, and up to 55 million emails were lost.

You don’t give a shit about the proper handling of secrets.

You’ve been told this over and over but you’re either incredibly dumb, or hopelessly partisan. Probably both.

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Beehive (profile) says:

I love how they decided to oust a whole sector of their intelligence against a global superpower (one that is, at this point, more swaying than the US is, but I digress), just to follow some sort of ‘anti-DEI’ policy, despite the fact that you need to SPEAK MANDARIN to GATHER INFORMATION PRIMARILY TRANSMITTED IN MANDARIN. What an absolute shitshow.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Not only reading and understanding mandarin, knowing there is hundred other languages spoken in China, but also knowing the local cultures and way to communicate.
US Marines used the Navajo’s and Cherokee’s languages during WWII to communicate without being by enemies.
I’m pretty sure that China is limited to Beijing in narrow Trump’s mind but all Chinese are certainly not as intellectually challenged as him as he’s constantly trying to prove for himself.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Are you implying that 3 mandarin speakers is more than enough to watch a country of more than 1 billion people and about 300 minority languages?
If so, you’re the perfect fit for a job at DOGE.

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NerdyCanuck (profile) says:

Re: I know your comment is a joke but it's super ignorant, here's why.

You clearly don’t know anything about Chinese culture – almost all Chinese people also have an English given name. They are given at birth for all chinese-heritage people who live in western countries, and people who live in China in big cities are almost always given them as well. If they’re not given at birth, many choose an English name to go by once they are an adult and have a need for it.

They are listed out on western documents usually as the English first name, then the Chinese first name is given as the middle name, then the family/surname last (this works because Chinese naming conventions include only a first/given name and a family name, whereas western countries also give middle names, so Chinese immigrants in western countries combine the two quite effectively).

Thus in your example, there are likely in fact many many people named John C., because thier real name would be something like John Wei Fang Cho.

That said, I have family members who when giving English names to thier kids like to choose something unique (just like western parents!), so people can have very unique and/or old-fashioned first names, like Augustine, Violet, Ruby, Constantine, etc. SO if someone on this CIA list has a decently unique first name, then that plus the last initial, plus knowing they work at the CIA and where all the offices are, it would not be difficult to identify them, especially when combined with all the other data that Mike points out in this article that is publicly available. Plus the CCP is well known to closely track many many Chinese immigrants and communities, even second and third generation, who live in western countries, to watch for any signs of dissidence and/or anti-CCP rhetoric (and so they can support pro-CCP politicians at the local level – this has been happening in Canada and was a big scandal last year).

Source – a white Canadian with multiple close Chinese family members by marriage, who thus grew up in that culture.

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Pixelation says:

This is Trump administration counterintelligence. It is counter to intelligence.

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Strawb (profile) says:

I’m not surprised the Trump admin demanded intelligence over unsecured email, but I’m honestly surprised the CIA obliged. Could there really have been any serious ramifications if they had used a more secure method?

terribly tired (profile) says:

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I was wondering that, too. Feels like the sort of thing that would have been an instant career-ender since time immemorial. If nothing else, then considering one E. Snowden and his antics I had sort of assumed the entire US government took its internal comms protocols quite seriously by now. Apparently not so much.

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mcinsand says:

protecting classified information should not have partisan exemptions!

Mike,

Thank you for approaching this evenly, and the lack of accountability for mishandling information in government is disturbing for someone like me. I don’t deal in classified information or any information that could get an asset killed, but I would lose my job instantly if I was caught doing what is far to common in our government. That this isn’t criminal should be criminal! We desperately need laws with teeth that prosecute anyone and everyone that mishandles our most secret state data.

Anonymous Coward says:

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We desperately need laws with teeth that prosecute anyone and everyone that mishandles our most secret state data.

This is a… VERY delicate balance. Snowden, hopefully, made that obvious. I agree that this reckless disregard for… sanity should be criminal. But we should make sure that the laws protect, and not prosecute, whistle blowers. However… I suspect that invoke’s Masnick’s impossibility theorem (in principle, if not in fact). I don’t really want the Federal executive branch having the power to decide what is whistle blowing and what not. It is rather ironic that this situation gives us one of the clear cases where it’s definitely incompetence &| recklessness, and NOT whistle blowing.

History suggest that, once passed, such a law would be abused to suppress whistle blowing. Ironically by the very same sorts of people that are, rightfully, inspiring it now.

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Anonymous Coward says:

It’s particularly ironic that the administration is just like “okay, whatever” about this, while Elmo accuses anyone who publishes any of the names of his young goon squad of criming.

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Anonymous Coward says:

It’s gonna be great if there are multiple pieces published here daily about how awesome the Trump admin is compared to what came before it!

Your tears are ddelicious!

Anonymous Coward says:

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It’s gonna be great if there are multiple pieces published here daily about how awesome the Trump admin is compared to what came before it!

Most definitely! The amount of leaks, despite his extensive ‘vetting’ is the most I’ve seen from a president ever!

BTW, how’s the inflation thing coming along?

Anonymous Coward says:

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“ddelicious”

Honestly, I’m not sure why you think our tears would shed their leaves at the end of a growing season and regrowing them at the beginning of the next growing season.

Anonymous Coward says:

It is possible for both things to be true.

Clinton’s email shenanigans were (and still remain) completely inexcusable. “Problematic” does not accurately describe the severity of the issue. Yelling at your coworkers is problematic. Accidentally forgetting to encrypt secret information is problematic. Running a secret unsecured email server out of your bathroom with the obvious intent to dodge every measure of accountability that should apply to such communications is far beyond that. How much farther? I guess it depends on the prosecutor.

That said…

Yes, everything Trump and his lackeys have done and continue to do is far far worse, but let’s not give Beelzebub an honorary halo because Satan is showing him how evil is really done.

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Citizen (profile) says:

Variation on an Old Joke

An elite American spy from the now DEI-free CIA, after extensive and grueling preparation, is parachuted over Manchuria in the dead of winter. He quickly gets rid of the parachute, dons local garments and starts to wade through the snow. After a lengthy march he finds a lonely hut, knocks at the door, and is allowed to enter by an elderly lady living in it. She invites him for a snack, and after some time asks:
Lady: You’re an American, aren’t you?
Spy: But Ma’am, how could you?! Don’t I speak perfect Mandarin?
Lady: You do!
Spy: Am I not dressed like a Chinese person?
Lady: You are!
Spy: Are my mannerisms not typical of a Chinese person?
Lady: They certainly are!
Spy: Then why are you saying such things?!
Lady: You see, son… it’s because you’re white.

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Koby (profile) says:

Overblown

Unclassified does not mean the communication was intercepted. The email communications pipeline between the CIA and the White House is no doubt encrypted and very secure.

Unclassified is a document marking which determines who is allowed to see the information once received. Folks at the White House seeing the employee list is going to be just fine. Nearly all of them have been vetted by the CIA anyhow.

Anonymous Coward says:

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The email communications pipeline between the CIA and the White House is no doubt encrypted and very secure.

Folks at the White House seeing the employee list is going to be just fine.

If that’s true, how is it that we know about it?

Trump’s white house leaks like his Depends do. Does that mean ‘secure’ in your empty head?

Mamba (profile) says:

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Dude.

Duuuude.

We know the Chinese are reading out shit. Several months ago the DoD directed everyone to use only secure communication means and to assume anything not secured was compromised.

Fuck.

Checkout Salt Typhoon and Volt Typhoon.

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mick says:

Valerie Plame

I’m old enough to remember the Bush administration outing a covert CIA operative (Valerie Plame), costing tens of millions in blown covert businesses and contacts, and potentially putting American lives in danger.

Republicans have always been traitors.

Anonymous Coward says:

About those emails...

The same administration that wanted Clinton jailed over email security just demanded the CIA expose its newest China-focused recruits through unsecured channels.

Have you perhaps forgotten that this is the team that simply waltzed into OPM and attached an unknown (and thus insecure!) email server to the OPM network?

Sending sensitive emails over unsecured email boxes pales in comparison to adding a trojan horse to an otherwise-secure network.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

'Join the CIA, are you insane?! Everyone saw what happened to the last guys!'

Well that’s certainly one way to not only provide a country you’ve been fearmongering about the perfect chance to identify and either eliminate or flip intel assets in their country but also ensure that you never get any takers for others to replace them.

Arijirija says:

This reminds me of something I read a few years back, at a website calling itself Tomdispatch, publishing various dissident views of America and the world:

https://tomdispatch.com/alfred-mccoy-trumping-the-empire/

“Yet just 60 years ago, a crisis in the ever-volatile Middle East overseen by a bumbling, mistake-prone British leader helped create a great power debacle that offers insight into the Trumpian moment, a glimpse into possible futures, and a sense of the kind of decline that could lie in the imperial future of the United States.”

Didn’t PT Barnum prophesy that “there’s one born every minute“? Donald J. Trump is that one – though to be fair to his poor mother, PT Barnum had to dial the “every minute” to “yesterday“, so if Donald J. Trump’s passport doesn’t read “Yesterday” in the DOB field, it’s a fake.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Congress and the House of Representatives disagreed and refused to impeach Trump for that, unfortunately. Melania, do the world a favor and constantly jump out on your husband from hidden corners in the White House. Hopefully, both you and us will be rid of him very soon that way.

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