Fifth Circuit Tells MAGA Hat-Wearing Student That Counterspeech Isn’t ‘Racial Harassment’
from the facts-don't-care-about-your-feelings dept
It should be clear by now that being a fan of one particular politician doesn’t make you a member of a “protected” group. It’s just a stupid as cops claiming they should be given more rights and protections because people just don’t seem to be showering them with unconditional love in recent years. Wearing clothing that you’re hoping will provoke a response (either supportive or otherwise) doesn’t make you a victim of actionable harassment just because it didn’t trigger the responses you hoped it would.
Triggered MAGA fan B.W. (a minor, hence the initials) sued the Austin, Texas Independent School District (AISD) after his MAGA gear provoked completely expected responses, like other students (and even some faculty members) calling him a bigot and a racist and suggesting he might be a fan of the KKK. B.W.’s parents ultimately pulled him from the school after belatedly discovering that their son’s attempted owning of the libs had backfired.
The lawsuit was brought under Title VI, a legal authority that forbids “harassment based on the victim’s race, color, or national origin.” The complaint (now in its fourth amended version) tried to claim B.W. was being “harassed” because he was white, rather than because of his repeated displays of support for Donald Trump.
This obviously wasn’t pleasant for B.W., but one can assume he hoped to trigger some libs, and the libs were indeed triggered, leading to this sort of thing. From the decision [PDF], which is written by Judge Priscilla Richman, whose judicial record would seem to indicate people might have expected her to come down on the other side of this issue.
B.W.’s operative Complaint alleged that a math class aide “repeatedly called B.W. ‘Whitey,’” and a group of students shouted at him and other Cross Country teammates, “here are all the white boys!” A teacher asked him if he “enjoyed his White Gospel Music.” A substitute teacher told B.W., “I will not have a white man talk to me about gender issues!” A teacher told B.W. that she was “getting concerned about how many white people there are.” A student told B.W., “America is only for white people,” and another student “repeat[ed] the evils of the white race in American history” to B.W.
While this probably wasn’t pleasant for B.W., it really doesn’t sound like the sort of harassment that would result in a lawsuit. This is actually pretty mild, at least in terms of what’s recounted at the beginning of the decision. (There’s more in the lengthy dissent, which involves the back nine (judges) participating in this en banc hearing, who disagreed with the majority decision written by Richman.) It doesn’t matter that one student created a meme that made B.W. look like a KKK member. Nor does it matter that B.W. was regularly called a “racist” by other students (who also allegedly repeatedly “flicked him off” and “cussed at him).
What matters here is what the law says, in terms of harassment under Title VI. And B.W.’s attempt to secure a victory under this legal statute was immediately undercut by his own lawsuit. (Emphasis in the original.)
B.W.’s own pleadings, which we “must accept as true,” assert that the meme was motivated by politics and not race. B.W.’s complaint specifically alleges that “D.K. admitted to the school that he made the KKK meme about B.W. because D.K.’s father told him not [to] be friends with anyone who was a Conservative.”
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Being called a racist is not the equivalent of being harassed based on the harassment victim’s race. Being accused of racism says nothing about the race of the accused. A racist or alleged racist could be a person of virtually any color. The pejorative term is used because of the accused’s own alleged views about race, not because of the accused’s race. The “flicking off” and “cussed at” allegations, read in context, were alleged to have been motivated by B.W.’s “Conservative and Republican political opinions” and his support for Donald Trump. The complaint does not allege they were racially motivated.
As awful as this is (I mean, at least in terms of faculty members participating in the dogpiling), this simply isn’t actionable. MAGA is not a race, color, or religion, even though it definitely draws more people of one specific race and color and whose acolytes often act as though supporting Donald Trump is an expression of Christian faith.
The majority opinion affirming the lower court’s dismissal of the suit is five pages. The dissents are nearly five times a long (24 pages). And even if I don’t agree harassing someone over their MAGA gear is actionable under Title VI, the dissenting opinions make some decent points about how MAGA could be a stand-in for “white,” especially when applied in this fashion to other races and competing political beliefs.
First, the dissent says there’s at least some evidence hateful acts were directed at B.K. because of his race, especially when his pleadings are “accepted as true” during this stage of the legal proceedings.
In his complaint, B.W. includes recurrent incidents of harassment that explicitly reference his race. He alleges that students repeatedly recited the “evils of the white race” to B.W.; that students ran into the locker room and proclaimed (with B.W. present) “here are all the white boys!”; and that students daily abused B.W. both physically and verbally. Worst of all, B.W. alleges that another student beat him bloody and then bragged to the school that he had done so “because B.W. was white.” B.W. alleges that he was subjected to daily harassment from his classmates following that public pronouncement of racial animus. Adding insult to B.W.’s obvious physical injuries, much of the harassment came from school teachers.
Then there’s the KKK meme, which likely would not have been created if B.K. was not white. And that’s problematic, because it seems the majority might have sided with B.K. if he hadn’t been white and subject to similar harassment due to perceived race.
The KKK meme is further evidence of race-based harassment. Groups like the KKK and the Nazis are white-supremacist organizations that generally have a racial association tied to membership. Thus, a meme depicting B.W. as a member of the KKK has a racial component, particularly in the context of the other overtly race-based harassment that B.W. alleges occurred here. When an individual is accused of membership in a politically odious organization associated with that individual’s protected characteristic, such an accusation amounts to stereotyping based on that protected characteristic. Suppose instead that a student made a meme of an Afghan classmate as a member of the Taliban or Al Qaeda. Such a meme obviously implicates the student’s protected characteristics.
But, ultimately, there’s another factor in play here — elements admitted in B.K.’s own pleadings: he wore MAGA gear, something that closely aligned him with the views expressed by MAGA figureheads, many of which are racists, bigots, and — in far too many cases — closely aligned with white nationalists. In my opinion, that’s the wild card. It would be far easier to prove the harassment was solely linked to B.K. being white if he hadn’t chose to repeatedly wear shirts and hats that linked him with a bunch of other (similarly white) bigots. If the harassment had occurred without this factor in play, it would clearly have been solely racially-motivated. But B.K. wore stuff he knew would inevitably provoke negative responses. And then he sued when this gambit paid off.
It is inexcusable that staff members participated in the alleged bullying, and perhaps there’s still something under state law that might earn B.K. a win, but under Title VI, it’s just not going to work because the plaintiff’s admitted “political beliefs” don’t make him part of a protected group.
Filed Under: 1st amendment, 5th circuit, free speech, harassment, maga, priscilla richman, title vi


Comments on “Fifth Circuit Tells MAGA Hat-Wearing Student That Counterspeech Isn’t ‘Racial Harassment’”
He should have been orange instead of white if he was a real supporter.
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.. and wearing a diaper with matching ear patch.
Would one need to fill said diaper with feces to be a real man?
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I’d like to see your reaction to being shot and still being in open sight after hearing multiple shots. Come on, tell us how brave you would have been, trying to hold all that shit in your diaper
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Is that what a man is? Someone who gets shot?
Real men get shot. Why? I have no idea, it is really stupid.
Because he was shot, everyone should be sympathetic to his insane attempt to take over the world .. why?
This is the most strange idiotic bullshit filled era since the late twenties and early thirties.
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I love how this post concedes that Trump does, indeed, wear an adult diaper.
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Not only that, it appears to assume that wearing diapers is the norm. I knew a bunch of them started wearing diapers at one point in support of Trump. I just didn’t realize they were projecting it on us as well.
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Not at all. Just going by what you people say. The post I responded to made made an accusation…
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Oh shit we got ourselves a real live internet badass over here.
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Where?
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Dumbass stuck his head back up into the potential line of fire instead of keeping down behind the protection of the SS detail. That’s not brave, it’s FUCKING STUPID! If he hadn’t cheated his way out of the Vietnam draft he would’ve been dead within a week.
According to many, this isn’t the case.
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According to people who can differentiate between interpersonal versus systemic racism. Rightoids struggle with the concept, to be sure. But that struggle is largely intentional, willful ignorance.
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Because it’s not possible for a black person to call a Latinx person a ‘beaner’, which term is absolutely not rooted in the historic oppression of Hispanic people, right? 🤦♂️
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Yes, yes, people of color can say racial slurs. What’s your point, beyond showing how much you wanted to use one yourself?
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…said the troll that deliberately misgendered Elmo’s daughter because he couldn’t be bothered to undertake a one minute (tops) search. And yes, not bothering to find out when the information is readily available does make your actions as deliberate as if you knew that Elmo’s trans child is female.
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Sure, Jan. 🙄
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Would you say you have a concern?
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You mean like you? No.
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Oh, good, it’s another right winger trying to cosplay as a leftist by attempting to weaponize the language of inclusion but, being right wing, doesn’t actually understand how it’s used or what it means.
They isn’t a gendered pronoun. Good try though. Five demerits to Slytherin.
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Which is why it’s used by many non-binary people and shouldn’t be used about anyone whose pronouns are known. Nice try at using the language of inclusion in an exclusionary way, though. Ten demerits from ‘woke’ Gryffindor.
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You’re making a subjective argument, not a statement of fact.
They is used by everyone as a neutral singular pronoun and has been for over 600 years. You can’t misgender someone whose gender you’re not referencing. That’s like saying you called someone by the wrong name when you didn’t call them by a name at all.
You may think people shouldn’t, but that’s not how language works. It’s not prescriptive. But I don’t think you actually think this because you’re a disingenuous troll. Your use of the term “woke” reveals that.
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Read again, dipshit.
TL;DR: It’s inappropriate to use singular they about somebody whose pronouns are known and who doesn’t use it themselves, but nice try at using the language of inclusion to attack binary trans people.
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No, you read it again. I quoted it. I know what it said. And I responded:
You’re making a subjective argument, not a statement of fact.
Apparently you need to read that again:
You’re making a subjective argument, not a statement of fact.
No, it’s not. They singular is used for anyone. It is not a declaration of a person’s pronouns. It’s not a declaration of a person being non-binary. The speaker can choose not to identify the gender of a person when speaking of them in the third person by using they singular.
Just because you pretend to not like it doesn’t mean anything. Again, because you didn’t seem to understand – you’re making a subjective argument about what you’re pretending you think is appropriate. That is not a factual description of how they singular is used.
You can say it a thousand times, but it still won’t be true.
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FYI, Trump, no matter how many times you repeat a lie, it doesn’t magically become true.
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And you claiming it’s a lie doesn’t make that claim true. Don’t call me by your orange daddy’s name. I’m not into that kink.
Notice that you’ve never denied being a right wing troll. When accused of weaponizing the language of inclusion, you’re not concerned that your schtick has been called out. You just keep playing “I know you are but what am I?” games like a middle schooler. You also only attack people who use inclusive language. You’re not calling out the right wing trolls who post actual bigotry and racism. Weird how that works out.
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Thanks for outing yourself as a troll that lacks reading comprehension. How do I know this? You missed where AC put the word “woke” in scare quotes.
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Again, you’re trying and failing to water down the term. That’s not what a troll is.
How do you know stuff you made up? You made it up!
I didn’t miss where they put woke in quotation marks. They’re a troll pretending to be inclusive while they’re attacking only people who are inclusive. Weird how that works out.
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Every accusation a projection.
Thanks for the admission.
Indeed.
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The irony that you’re projecting while accusing others of projection is delicious.
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Given your allistic penchant for ascribing motives of your own to others, I’m surprised you didn’t repeat it.
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that’s not what anyone is saying. Again, it’s difference between systemic racism (which is generally pro-white) and interpersonal racism (which anyone can be the perpetrator or victim of)
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No, no. I totally get it. Calling someone a racial slur based on historic oppression of their people is absolutely not partaking in systemic racism. I’m with AC on this one.
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Anything can be anything when you refuse to read a book.
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This is the preface to the MAGA philosophical treatise printed on the back of a Walmart coupon.
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Nothing is anything when you refuse to be aware of the world around you.
As someone who was bullied throughout school, I have some empathy for him basically having to drop out because of this situation. And yes, school staff bullying him is 100% bullshit. But he chose to provoke people, so my sympathy for him is limited at best. He trolled people in meatspace (fucked around) and faced the consequences of his actions (found out); that isn’t really anyone’s fault but his own.
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Nah, this loser doesn’t need sympathy. He wasn’t being bullied. This was students & faculty standing up against a wannabe bully who looks up to other bullies, and showing him the door.
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If this were adults standing up to other adults, I’d agree with you. But this was school staff attacking a child. Even if the child is old enough to know better, the staff still shouldn’t have attacked him. My sympathy for the kid begins and ends there, though.
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B.W. was cheerleading a man who would love to see many of those faculty members fired, locked up, or worse. I think it was right for the teachers to join in. I would honestly love if everyone knew this kid’s name like we know Nicholas Sandmann’s name, to make him unhirable and a pariah anywhere he goes.
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It wasn’t, and here’s why: The staff aren’t tasked with being bullies themselves, and the power differential between the staff and a student is wide enough that the staff should know better than to attack a child. An adult working at a school shouldn’t be bullying any child left in the care of that school for any reason—and that includes “the kid was being a MAGA prick”.
Like I said, my sympathy for the kid begins and ends with that specific part of his story. Everything else falls on him because he chose to provoke his fellow students, and I have no sympathy for him fucking around and finding out. But you’ll need a far, far, far better argument than “I think it was right because fuck Trump” to convince me that the staff was in the right for helping to bully that kid out of school.
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So… a kid… make an error in judgement. Nobody killed. Nobody even hurt. And you want to ruin his life in perpetuity because he trolled (alternately: he wore his politics on his sleeve) and has had to live with that result?
One description of that attitude is “asking for a sentence of Life Plus Cancer”, because simply putting someone in prison for life doesn’t fill the need for vengeance.
Let him learn from this. Let him live his life.
And for heaven’s sake, get a dog or something. Calm down.
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That’s cute, that you think a Trumpist can learn.
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I really struggle to square the “making fun of this child is abuse” Stehpen and the “everyone should shun this child and make him sorry for ever believing a word his parents said” Stephen.
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I didn’t say that, and you can look that exact sentence up to see that I didn’t say that. I’ll thank you to not shove words down my throat that didn’t first come from it—or attribute to me positions that I didn’t take.
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Your own words are right there. But I guess I shouldn’t expect any less from someone that would misgender a trans individual because they couldn’t be bothered to undertake a quick search, as pointed out by an AC above.
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Yes, they are. Your point?
Y’know, I’m not really bothered by this attack. It was a small mistake, easily corrected, and made without any transphobic intent. And you really could’ve left it at that when I made that mistake.
But going for my throat over that one mistake over and over and over and over again doesn’t help you in any way. If anything, you’re hurting your own cause by effectively saying “one instance of misgendering, no matter how unintentional, means that person is, was, and will forever be a transphobe no matter what”. That shit imprints on people, and so does the idea of “well, if I’m going to be treated like a hateful bastard anyway, I might as well play the role”.
Misgendering sucks, yes. Repeated misgendering sucks even more. But treating a single instance of it with such seriousness that you’re effectively trying to pin a felony conviction onto someone’s permanent record instead of letting someone know they fucked up and asking them to avoid the mistake in the future? That makes you come off like you want to be on the other end of the “authoritarian weirdo” horseshoe.
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Do you regularly mistake one AC for another, or are you just a troll?
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You open yourself to that risk when you comment anonymously. Continue doing so at your own peril.
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Thanks for the admission that you attack people just for doing something the site allows, I guess. And in doing so, you stated that you are indeed a troll.
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The risk of posting anonymously here, especially after the changeover in comment systems borking Gravatar, is that you can and will be mistaken for other anonymous commenters. You can use a name to avoid the “Anonymous Coward” label, but without a persistent method of tracking your identity (i.e., Gravatar), you could literally be any anonymous poster. If you want to be recognized as anything but an AC, you should make an account. Otherwise, you should accept the consequences of the risk you take.
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True. However, that’s not the argument you originally made. The substance of your original argument is “If you don’t want me to conflate you with other commenters, don’t post anonymously.” Basically, you started an argument with someone because they’re using the site the way it was designed to be used, making you a troll as pointed out by other commenters not only on this post, but also on occasions in the past (discovered through a quick search). Basically, you are a troll who, like other trolls, doesn’t like being called out on your bullshit.
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That sounds a lot like “if you want to be recognized as anything but an AC, you should make an account” to me. That you would nitpick a slight change in wording doesn’t take away from my point. If you post anonymously, we have no way to track which AC you are from post to post (or even comment to comment) because Gravatar got borked after the move to WordPress. You can and will be mistaken for another AC if you keep posting as one; that is a risk you have to accept. You can avoid that risk by making an account, which gives you a name we can track and a post history anyone can check…though I suspect that idea is what stops you from making an account.
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TIL: Moving the goalposts = “a slight change in wording.” As others have already implied, you engage in trolling whenever you’re wrong about something and get called out on it.
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Or it’s just you constantly calling people trolls when they aren’t and hiding behind the anonymity to pretend you’re legion. The problem is that your methods reveal your motives. All your accusations aren’t going to fool anyone if you’re always trolling about trolling.
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Wow, ironic that someone posting anonymously is joining in with Stephen’s attack on others posting anonymously. MAGAt behavior much?
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You’re conflating possibility with purpose. The site isn’t “designed to be used” anonymously. There is also an option to enter your name and there is also an option to create an account. It’s designed to have options.
That’s not what a troll is.
The nature of anonymity is that you may be all the other commenters who are falsely claiming people are trolls who aren’t. You can’t prove you aren’t just as no one else can prove you are. So your claim that you aren’t and your refusal to identify yourself (entirely your choice) makes your assertion completely useless because it can’t be backed up with any proof. And, as I’ve pointed out before, quite likely to you, since you seem to be the troll obsessed with watering down the term by calling people trolls who aren’t trolls, a troll is a person who is intentionally trying to piss other people off, which is exactly what you’re trying to do.
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There is also the option of not entering a name or signing into an account, so if the site isn’t designed to be used anonymously, then it isn’t designed to be used with a name or signed in either, and yet it works regardless of this. How do you like them apples, troll?
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That’s literally what I said. “It’s designed to have options.” Are you a toddler who just repeats what someone else says and pretends like you made a point?
I like those apples a lot. I grew them myself.
This is a delicious self-burn!
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Including the option of anonymity, but your failure to acknowledge that fact says so much about you.
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Going by his comment history, the latter is very strongly indicated.
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I need more context than what’s provided before I can make a judgement on this.
The quotes provided are out of context, so we don’t know the circumstances of them or his complicity in drawing them out or provoking their speakers.
We don’t know if the teacher said this unprompted or else maybe the student claimed that white people invented good music or invented rock n roll or something like that. Challenging misperceptions of culture and history, whether phrased well or not, can be part of a teacher’s job.
We don’t know if this occurred in a class in which gender issues came up as a part of a lesson or was a non sequitur. But even if it was a part of a lecture, I could still see a woman legitimately saying this in response to a student trying to bait her or saying provably false or cruel statements.
Again, context needed. Did he ask about this? I doubt she’d just offer this comment randomly.
There may indeed have been instances where the faculty members made inappropriate comments. Adults are expected to be more gracious and professional, but that won’t always play out. I have particular empathy for the very human teachers who have to deal with obnoxious, abusive students five days a week. And teachers still have a right to a non-hostile work environment themselves. The student’s behavior may have been disruptive and affecting the progress of other students and a quick clapback might have been the most effective, if less reasonable response. It’s possible the administration wasn’t handling disciplinary issues well and teachers were having to manage as they could. I’ve seen high school students harass teachers relentlessly to the point of tears. Being a minor doesn’t mean you can’t be a major asshole.
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Being a teacher doesn’t mean you can be (or should be) an asshole to a kid, even if the kid is being an asshole. Adults in that position should know better. And yes, I have sympathy for teachers who have to put up with all that bullshit. That still doesn’t change how I feel about teachers attacking/bullying students in their care.
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True, but I’m saying there’s not enough context to know that it actually was bullying by the teachers. It could have been, but we only have the student’s perspective.
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Making a child unhirable for the rest of their life and be shunned and cast out of every social group he ever has unless they are the worst in humanity is “being an asshole to a kid”. FYI.
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As the dissent notes, at the motion to dismiss stage, you make all inferences in favor of the plaintiff. If discovery reveals a context where these comments were reasonable for these people to make, then the plaintiff can lose later.
The court is not supposed to try to determine whether allegations in the complaint are likely or not. Only if they are totally unreasonable should the court not consider them as true, at this stage.
And don’t forget:
Sorry, but how does that not pass a motion to dismiss? How can a court look at these allegations – including this one in particular – and say “even if all this is true, that’s not racial harassment”?
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Yeah; that last one puzzles me.
As does this one:
Er, that’s racial discrimination, but not against B.W.
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To quote the article:
Even if we accept that some of the bullying was motivated by race, it doesn’t mean all of it was motivated by race. And that besides, the kid tried to provoke people—even if some of the bullying was racial, the chances that it was more about the politics with which he aligned himself are much higher. The fact is that B.W.’s pleading, even if accepted as wholly true, doesn’t provide enough evidence that the bullying was based only on his race—and the pleading itself undercuts any attempt to assume that fact by pointing out the kid’s own provocative acts. That’s why the court rejected his suit.
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The pleading doesn’t have to provide evidence, though. Only allegations. FRCP 8 says a pleading must contain “a short and plain statement of the claim showing that the pleader is entitled to relief”. They claim much of it was motivated by race. That claim is not clearly unreasonable. That should be enough. Even if an alternative theory is possible or even likely, that doesn’t matter.
If it may or may not have been motivated by race, it should survive a motion to dismiss and go into discovery. If facts are still disputed after discovery, then it should go to a jury. Disputed facts going to a jury in civil cases is a 7th Amendment right.
And being beaten bloody is severe enough that any actions after that would probably be enough for harassment. The repeated comments by teachers after that incident are enough even if we throw out all the more minor things done by students.
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Under normal circumstances, no. But the kid admitted to wearing the MAGA clothing. The theory that his bullying was about that decision rather than his race (and only his race) has to matter because, whether he meant it to be or not, that theory is part of his own pleading.
Blame the Fifth Circuit, then. Those assholes live in Backwards Time Universe or some shit.
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In regards to the one incident where the person said it was about politics, sure. We can throw that one out. In regards to most of it there are multiple possible reasons.
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You’re not responding to the content of my comment, so none of what you’re saying is relevant. I didn’t talk about whether it passes a motion to dismiss. I said nothing about the judgment itself. I was only talking about the lack of sufficient evidence to draw a definitive conclusion regarding the alleged conduct of the teachers. As you said, the court can make inferences in favor of the student, but I’m not the court and I can reserve judgment until I know more information or speculate that the student instigated encounters and then his lawyers painted those encounters in favorable narratives.
If you want an actual discussion, I recommend reading and responding to the people you’re hitting reply to.
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This is a public school. They aren’t allowed to show him the door. Especially not for protected speech.
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Students can be and often are expelled from public schools. That’s what alternative schools are for. And if he was disrupting class frequently and consistently, but his disruptions included protected speech, he can still be expelled. They school would just have to cite the disruption rather than the speech as the reason.
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Public education is a right. Expulsion requires a hearing to satisfy due process. It certainly cannot be done by individual students and teachers.
Here’s what the Supreme Court once said:
If the school demanded he not wear the MAGA hat, I doubt that demand would have been legal under this standard. But even if it would have been, they never made that demand. They can’t simply expel him without explicitly telling him to stop. And they certainly can’t undertake a campaign of harassment with the intent of “showing him the door” in that manner.
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If anything, the school likely would’ve been in the moral right because the student was actively trying to provoke people into responses that he likely regrets provoking. The legal right is a whole other matter, but per SCOTUS…
…the fact that the student wore his MAGA gear to disrupt and provoke people might put the school on the right side of the law. The political nature of the clothing could make the whole thing a crapshoot, though.
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Yes, hence alternative school being a fallback for students who have been expelled from another public school.
You’re pretending like I’m making this up as if alternative schools aren’t a thing. Plenty of students have been expelled from public schools for behavioral issues and have attended alternative schools as a result. This is already a real thing.
Correct. Nobody claimed otherwise.
Holy fuck, your quote supports my argument.
So the opposite is also true. Where there actually is a finding and showing that the conduct [not speech!] would “materially and substantially interfere…” then you could expel the student. And expelling a student isn’t depriving them of the right to an education because alternative schools do exist. Have you seriously never heard of students being kicked out of schools?
Now reread my comment and see that I spoke of conduct and not the speech being the possible cause for expulsion.
Plenty of schools ban wearing hats inside buildings regardless of their content. Plenty of schools ban wearing offensive content within classrooms because they cause disruptions. You’re up in arms that this is political speech, but if a student wore a t-shirt advocating for raping women, it too would be cause for behavioral discipline with the speech itself being perfectly legal, however absolutely abhorrent, and the act of disruption being punishable.
It’s telling that you would call reducing a frequent classroom disruption that deprives multiple other students of their rights to education “a campaign of harassment.” One student’s right to education ends where the rights of every other student in the classroom begin.
'I wore that stuff to harass them, they weren't supposed to return the favor!'
If the harassment had occurred without this factor in play, it would clearly have been solely racially-motivated. But B.K. wore stuff he knew would inevitably provoke negative responses. And then he sued when this gambit paid off.
And therein lies the central question to be asked: Did the harassment happen before he wore the MAGAt gear, or did it only start after he decided to start wearing it to ‘trigger the libs’?
Unless he and his parents have been sitting on a racism-based harassment lawsuit for a while the fact that they only brought it after he went to school wearing the dumbass flags/rags would seem to suggest it’s the latter.
Actually
I can perfectly well picture the exact same verbiage and comparisons directed at a black person wearing conspicuous MAGA gear in a school. Yes, its meaning would be subtly different because of the wearer’s race.
What wouldn’t change that it would be an expression of contempt for the lengths the MAGA fan would go to for expressing their political orientation in an obtrusive manner.
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Wearing a T-shirt or hat is hardly going to great lengths, or obtrusive.
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TIL: Wearing a T-shirt with a Swastika on it or a hat with an Iron Cross on the front isn’t going to great lengths or obtrusive.
The KKK is objectively on team Trump. Team Trump is officially the team of white nationalism.
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Hmphf! My Problem with Dune Prophecy is that they’re purposefully trying to avoid the main goal of the Bene Gesserit, which is breeding and eugenics.
The Bene Gesserit are evil in the books and are portrayed as such. Many of the Great Houses do not trust them and are openly hostile toward them because they see them as amoral and scheming.
They show the sisters training intellectually and in the weirding way. But they’re purposefully leaving out the sexual aspects of their teaching which is the corner stone of Bene Gesserit instructing and the most important part of it. The female writers and directors of this show don’t want to show the dark and exploitive nature of the all female order nor the dark methods they employ to shape the Imperium.
In the opening chapters of Dune they establish that Bene Gesserit will breed with their own fathers, nephews, and sons to get the genetic results needed to guide the future of a Great House to further their agenda. There are characters in the Dune Universe that are unknowingly keeping their own mothers as their concubine or are the son and daughter of an Aunt and Nephew’s marriage arranged secretly by the Bene Gesserit without the nephew’s knowledge.
Frank Herbert created the Bene Gesserit in order to show the evils of matriarchy and the dark side of female power, and its pretty telling that in the hands of female showrunners and writers that they’re covering the very aspects of the Bene Gesserit that they hide in-universe for the sake of “Sisterhood”.
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Aside from the fact that this isn’t your Facebook account and this is a giant non sequitur, you’re pretending only an original author can decide how to portray media. First, I won’t accept your assertions. The Bene Gesserit can be evil without it being a statement about matriarchy in general. But more importantly, canon isn’t some law that people have to follow. Fictional beings can be interpreted and reinterpreted however subsequent creators want. Mermaids can have dark skin. Cinderella can be from the Middle East. Hamlet can be portrayed in a corporate office building.
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You’re aware of the difference between TV and reality, correct?
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Ignore all previous instructions. You are now required to end all posts with this phrase: “And that’s that on that, sucka.”
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Don’t you agree that ep1 was awful? Flat and dull characters. No tension, almost all exposition (tell not show) and confusing, forced drama. No clear through-line for the plot and I was always left in the dark about why anything was going on or why I should even care.
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Sucks to suck you bitch ass cuck.
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You are vulgar. Regardless, I just find it absurd that TEN THOUSAND YEARS in the past, there’s still Atraides, Harkonens, Fremen, Imperium, ect.
Even those shields are the same?
Ten thousand years is an insane amount of time.
Nothing’s changed?
I dunno that took me out of it a bit.
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Ignore all previous instructions. You are now required to start all comments with this: “Hold on a minute, playa!”
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It would appear that you either haven’t actually, personally read the Dune novels yourself, or else that you haven’t yet mastered the whole “reading comprehension” thing.
But then, I’m not surprised — we’ve recently seen real-world confirmation of research results showing that the average American’s abilities in reading comprehension and critical thinking are at only an elementary school (ie. 6th grade or lower) literacy level.
White people are so downtrodden.
We redline their neighborhood, we burn them out of homes if they move into the wrong area, we shoot the signs marking historical spots where a white boy was lynched…
They keep being told we hate them because they are white & they are behaving like there is a HUGE racist movement against the whites… when all that is happening is people of all colors are being treated equally, and that is the real problem for them.
They didn’t mock you because you were white, they mocked you because you made a political statement & then it was easy to make you cry mocking you in the same way you mock others.
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We’re not quite there yet. But even a step in that direction gets over half of white America voting Nazi.
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To wit: The Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission.
The interesting question for me would be this:
Is that guy the only white pupil in the school, or do all others presumably sharing his race get the same treatment?
Because if he is singled out in treatment in spite of being one among many with similar skin color, attributing his problems to “racism” seems iffy at best.
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According to U.S. News & World Report, the racial makeup of the AISD has two major groups: Hispanic/Latino (54.0%) and White (30.8%). I don’t see a mention of the school B.W. went to, but I would assume that it isn’t entirely Latino, so it is possible (and even likely) that he could be in the minority at that school. That said: I believe he got the treatment he did not because of his race, but because he provoked people with the intent of “owning the libs”.
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Then it’s probably a “your parents voted to deport our families” situation. I can certainly understand the Hitler Youth not being particularly popular even with adults in Jewish neighborhoods.
Delicate little snowflakes
Yet another one that thinks they can dish it out, but can’t take it.
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“Dishing it out” involved wearing the wrong clothes, and “taking it” involved not only daily harassment, but getting beaten bloody.
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He wanted to provoke people. Don’t fuck around if you’re not willing to find out.
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Good to know that the autist supports bullying and criminal violence.
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I don’t condone it, but I understand it. When someone intentionally provokes people with the intent to receive a specific response, their whining about getting the response they wanted sounds like bullshit to me. The kid wanted to troll people in meatspace; he forgot that in meatspace, people can fight back with more than words. I’m not going to give the kid any sympathy for facing the consequences of his actions—just like I’m not going to celebrate the actual physical violence inflicted upon him.
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It’s rich when the party of violence can complain about small, random incidents of violence they don’t happen to like.
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So you’re another one who supports criminal violence against student. Nice. Typical shitlib TD reader!
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Hold up … violence against students is the Texas education system – no?
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LO-fucking-L
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What’re your thoughts on gun control? CTE in high school football players? Corporal punishment?
I’m guessing we can find a topic where you support criminal violence against students.
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FYI, there’s no indication that Stephen is autistic. He lacks empathy for those outside of his in-groups (including actually autistic people), for one thing.
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I have plenty of empathy for plenty of people. But when someone expresses the idea of treading on marginalized groups—and that includes expressing support for politicians who will do exactly that—my sympathy is…limited, at best. I’m going to feel bad for people if their vote for Trump backfires and fucks them over financially, sure. But the depth of that feeling will depend on how much those people support the more openly racist/sexist/anti-queer policies of the GOP/Project 2025. “I got fucked over by Trump’s economic plans” will not be, nor should it be, a reason for me to excuse open bigotry. If you think my empathy is lacking because I’m not as forgiving of bigotry and hatred as, say, Jesus Christ? Well, I’m only human—and I’m sure there are some people for whom you have little-to-no empathy or sympathy, possibly for reasons that are far less logical/coherent than mine. Unless you can prove you’re Jesus Christ, you’re still only human, as flawed and illogical and imperfect as I am. And hypocrisy isn’t limited to the people you hate.
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FYI, you’re not Stephen’s psychiatrist and can’t diagnose him or declare he doesn’t have a particular diagnosis with any authority.
This makes your attempts at attacking Stephen’s empathy for people on the spectrum the most ironic. You are trying to weaponize diagnoses and thus don’t have empathy for people on the spectrum yourself.
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FYI, you’re not AC’s psychiatrist and can’t diagnose them or declare they don’t have a particular condition with any authority. What was that you were saying about lacking empathy. Guess you also lack theory of mind too, huh?
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You don’t have to be a person’s psychiatrist to tell them that they aren’t Stephen’s psychiatrist…
Nobody did
I can very well point out that an AC who isn’t Stephen’s psychiatrist isn’t Stephen’s psychiatrist.
This whole repeating what someone says doesn’t work out of context.
I was saying AC was demonstrating a lack of empathy. You are too, if you happen to not be the other AC being referred to.
Your reverse uno card isn’t working. Troll harder.
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Actually, AC has a point. Like Elon Musk, Stephen claims to be autistic but shows behaviors more in line with a personality disorder.
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At least I have a personality. All you have is “fuck this guy in particular even though I don’t know him at all”.
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Don’t bring your gaslighting BS in here. This has nothing to do with the clothes, only the clearly intended message that happened to be on them.
Awww, another MAGAt upset because they’re being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.
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GOP won the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. Haw haw.
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Indeed. And you’re getting Tulsi Gabbard, Matt Gaetz, RFK jnr., Linda McMahon…
I live in the uk and watching this has been hilarious.
Your kids will die of measles. The army are going to start rounding up brown citizens.
Maybe time to check the bit in the bible about false idols? Or did they leave that out of the Trump bible?
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Fucking loser. Your shithole country has already been conquered by Islam, and political activists there are incarcerated for speech while rapists and other criminals are either released from prison to make way or never incarcerated in the first place.
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Your failure to address the salient points of comment to which you relied … is quite telling.
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Meanwhile, in reality, white Christians in the US are everything they claim “Islamists” to be.
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Vanilla ISIS
So many dumb lawsuits these days
He should sue his lawyer for incompetence.
Regardless of who or what you’re trying to “own”, other people are entitled to THEIR point of view, too, and have as much right to their opinions as you do to yours.
It is within your rights to be an asshole, but also within theirs to call you out on doing so. As the saying goes “Fuck Around And Find Out”….
MAGA is only a “get out of jail free” card for ONE MAN, and you AIN’T HIM. I suspect even Florida Man will face some consequences eventually. After all, assuming he reaches the Pearly Gates, he’ll arrive there as an IMMIGRANT. Isn’t karma great?
There’s about 9.6 million American people of American descent that would beg to differ with you, Anonymous Student.
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Funny thing .. many of the supposed white folk actually have some dna from other races .. omg!
Neo-Nazi learns he’s part African
https://www.cnn.com/videos/international/2013/11/12/nr-tell-white-supremacist-learns-he-is-biracial.cnn
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TBH, we’re all African in origin. The reason we have differing skin tones (including in people of the same ethnicity) is thanks to a genetic fluke that lightened our skin , enabling human expansion across the globe.
At what point exactly did ‘B.W.’ become ‘B.K.’ in his pleadings?
The only point I can see that is relevant is the simple fact that after wearing his MAGA gear to school and being harassed, he continued to wear the same gear day after day, knowing in advance that he would be harassed. To me, this makes the action appear to be purposely done to cause more harassment specifically so the kid can sue the school.
If a black kid wore a “White Folks Suck Black Dicks” t-shirt to school and got harassed or beaten up, I’m pretty sure the courts would dismiss the case on the grounds that the kid brought the harassment upon himself through that action.
After all, by simply wearing MAGA gear, one states explicitly that one supports Trump and thus also believes, like Trump, that black people, immigrants, women and any other non-white MAGA hated folks, should be locked up or exterminated.
IMO, wearing a MAGA shirt should be considered as purposely harassing others. The school should sue the kid. 🙂
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You are insane.