Some (Slightly Biased) Thoughts On The State Of Decentralized Social Media

from the decentralize-all-the-things dept

Last week, Bluesky, where I am on the board (so feel free to consider this as biased as can be), announced that it had raised a $15 million seed round, and with it announced some plans for building out subscription plans and helping to make the site sustainable (some of which may be very cool — stay tuned). A few days prior to that happening, Bluesky hit 13 million users and continues to grow. It’s still relatively small, but it has now done way more with a smaller team and less money than Twitter did at a similar point in its evolution.

I’m excited with where things are trending with Bluesky for a few reasons, but I wanted to actually talk about something else. Just before I joined the board, I had met up with a group of supporters of “decentralized social media,” who more leaned towards ActivityPub/Mastodon/Threads over Bluesky. Even though I wasn’t officially representing Bluesky, they knew I was a fan of Bluesky and asked me how I viewed the overall decentralized social media landscape.

Similar questions have come up a few times in the last few months, and I thought that it made sense to write about my thoughts on the wider decentralized social media ecosystem, just as we’ve hit the two year anniversary of Elon Musk taking over Twitter. Since then, he’s wiped out billions of dollars in value and revenue, turned what had been a pretty neutral open speech platform that fought globally for free speech, into a one-sided, bot-filled partisan platform that only fights for free speech when it disagrees with the government, but is happy to cave if the authoritarians in charge are friendly with Musk.

But the one key thing is that the decentralized social media landscape has been invigorated and supercharged, almost entirely because of Elon Musk. Thank you, Elon.

I previously told the story of my attendance at a conference in New York in October of 2022, where there was a very interesting presentation predicting the adoption of decentralized alternatives to centralized social media with this chart being shown:

As I noted, this chart and the “events that trigger disillusion” in particular struck me as a bit too underpants gnomey:

What those “events that trigger disillusion” actually are becomes pretty damn important. So, I had asked a question to that effect at the event. For years since my Protocols, Not Platforms paper came out, I had struggled with what would actually lead to real change. I didn’t find the presenter’s answer all that satisfying, but little did I know that literally while that presentation was happening, Elon Musk was officially saying that he would drop his attempt to get out of buying Twitter, and would move forward with the acquisition.

At that point, Bluesky was still just a concept of a protocol. It was far from any sort of app (it wasn’t even clear it was going to be an app). But in the events that followed over the next few weeks and months, as Elon’s approach to dismantling basically everything that he claimed he supported with ExTwitter became clear, Bluesky realized it needed to build its own app.

Indeed, it’s astounding how much Elon has become the one man “events that trigger disillusion” from that chart above. With it, he has become a singular driving force towards driving adoption in alternative platforms.

I’m not betraying any internal secrets in noting that people within Bluesky have referred to some of the big influxes of new users on the platform to “EME: Elon Musk Events.” Whenever he chooses to do something reckless — ban popular users, launch a poorly planned fight with a Brazilian judge, take away the block feature — it seems to drive floods of traffic to Bluesky. But also to other new alternative platforms.

Thank you, Elon, for continuing to supply “events that trigger disillusion.”

But waiting for Elon to fuck up again and again is not a long-term strategy, even if it keeps happening. It is introducing more and more people to the alternatives, and many people are liking what they’ve found. For example, well-known engineer Kelsey Hightower recently left ExTwitter and explained how ATProtocol (which underlies Bluesky and enables much of what’s great about it from a technical standpoint) is one of the most exciting things he’s seen in years.

The more I dig into Bluesky, and more importantly the AT Protocol, the more I get that feeling I had when I first got involved with the Kubernetes project.

Kelsey Hightower (@kelseyhightower.com) 2024-10-20T19:01:10.972Z

But, the reality is that no one quite knows what is going to really “click” to make decentralized social media more appealing long term and for more people than centralized social media. Many of us have theories, but the reality is that what makes something really click and go from a niche (or dying!) thing to essential is only possible to understand in retrospect, rather than prospectively.

Just as I spent a few years trying to work out what kinds of things might be “events that trigger disillusion,” I think we’re still in the discovery stage of “events that trigger lasting value.” People leaving the old place because they’re disillusioned is a starting point. It’s an opportunity to show them there are alternatives. But to make it last, we need to create things that people find real value out of that weren’t available at the old place.

The key to every “killer app” on a new system, even ones that start out mimicking the old paradigm, is enabling something that couldn’t be done on the old system. That’s when things get really fun. Early TV was just radio with video until people figured out to embrace the medium. Smartphones were initially just tiny computers, until services that embraced native features like location were better understood.

We need that for decentralized social media.

But right now, we don’t really know what that trigger is going to be. I can think that some of Bluesky’s features — things like domains as handles, using standardized decentralized IDs, composable and stackable moderation, and algorithmic choice — are part of what will get us there, but I don’t know for sure what the big breakthroughs will be. And neither does anyone else.

As such, we need more experiments and experimenting, and not all of that should be done directly within the ATProtocol system (the ATmosphere). Because, even while I think it’s extremely clever in what it enables, the choices made in its approach might limit somethings enabled by other approaches. So I don’t so much see other decentralized social media systems like ActivityPub (Mastodon, Threads, etc.), nostr, Farcaster, Lens, DSNP, etc., as competitors.

Rather, I see them as all presenting unique experiments to see where the real value can show up. I think there’s a ton to learn from all of them. For example, I think Mastodon’s focus on local community and the power of defederation is a fascinating experiment. We’re also seeing some interesting new systems built on ActivityPub that challenge the way we think about decentralized apps. I think that nostr’s simplicity that makes it ridiculously easy for anyone to build clients and relays is important. Farcaster has a number of really cool ideas, including things like Frames that allow you to create apps within social feeds.

In other words, there is a lot of experimentation going on right now, and all of that helps the wider ecosystem of decentralized social media, because we can all learn from each other. We already see that Mastodon has been making changes in response to the things that people like about Bluesky. I’m sure that everyone working on all of these systems are looking at what others are doing and learning from each other.

The simple reality is that right now, no one really knows what will “click.” We don’t know what the real “killer app” is that convinces more people to switch over from centralized systems to decentralized ones. “Events that trigger disillusion” are great for getting people to look. But, getting people to stay and eagerly participate requires adding real value.

I’m happy to see all this experimentation going on to figure out what that is. Just “being decentralized” is not a value that attracts most users. It has to be what that decentralization enables, preferably the kinds of things that a centralized system can’t actually match, that will create the next breakthrough.

Since no one can predict exactly what that breakthrough is, the best way to find out what will really make it work is having the wider decentralized ecosystem all experimenting. This isn’t even a “rising tide lifts all boats” kinda thing. It’s more of a “we need lots of folks digging holes to see where the oil is” kinda thing. Letting each of these systems test things out with their own unique approach is the best way to discover what will actually excite and attract users positively, rather than just in response to yet another Elon Musk Event.

I’m enthusiastic about Bluesky’s approach. I think the ATProtocol gives us the best chance of reaching that breakthrough. But I’m happy to see others trying different ideas as well, because all of these experiments will help bring us to a world where more people embrace decentralized systems (whether they know it or not) and move away from old walled gardens. Not because of “events that trigger disillusion” but because what’s happening over here is just that much more useful and powerful.

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Grant Gould says:

Is Bluesky still trying to be federated?

My impression was that with its pursuit of client-only features like suppressing quote posts, bluesky was in effect abandoning “protocols not platforms” and moving to a single-client model.
Is that not correct? Does bluesky have a plan for how it will force novel client features to be respected by federated nodes that don’t choose to provide them?

Anonymous Coward says:

Moderation

Bluesky talks a lot about putting control in the hands of users, but when it comes to moderation this mostly seems like lip service to me. I’m not sure if their community guides are overly restrictive or what, but their moderators seem very trigger happy. Does Bluesky have any intention of becoming more permissive about what sorts of content they allow? Because if not, what’s the point of “stackable moderation?”

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

Why didn’t you google it?

Because I don’t trust Alphabet Inc. not to sell my personal data down the river, so I use other search engines instead.

It’s Latin.

Yes, I could tell, and that’s why I used the search term ‘Latin to English translation’, which resulted in the output I stated. Don’t ascribe motives of your own to me.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:6

Because I don’t trust Alphabet Inc. not to sell my personal data down the river, so I use other search engines instead.

“Google” is a genericized verb that just means to search. Use whatever search engine you want. You don’t need to go on a rant about your personal hang-ups.

Don’t ascribe motives of your own to me.

I wouldn’t dare think you share a motive with me. You wanted to know something and have the tools available to find out, but you’re lazy and want other people to work for you.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

https://www.techdirt.com/2024/10/29/some-slightly-biased-thoughts-on-the-state-of-decentralized-social-media/#comment-4081195
According to one of your other posts though, you don’t use Bluesky’s servers, you use your own. If you want to say that Bluesky has one policy, and your server has another, then fine, but the way you put it here is misleading.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

I’m sure, but merely pointing out the fact that there’s some adult content ignores what I’m actually saying. I’m mostly thinking of things like that fact that certain forms of fetish content (e.g. non-con) is explicitly against their terms.

They don’t have to be Ao3 or anything, but I’m surprised they’re more restrictive than Twitter in this regard.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

They’re only picking it up from seeing countless people getting permanently banned on the spot for posting NSFW content, in fact, people are getting permanently banned for content which isn’t even remotely NSFW.

This doesn’t strike me as a particularly permissive platform. Even Twitter moved past firing off permanent bans for minor infractions.

labeller fan says:

Re: Re: Re:

Most of the things flagged “adult” or adjacent are hidden or minimized (they call that “warn”) by default. The auto-detection is also a little trigger happy.

You can, as I have, dial that back a bit so that those posts will still appear. Always an interesting experience to be scrolling through the “catch up” feed of the most popular posts in the last day and getting too used to unhiding twitter screenshots (there’s a labeller for that) then getting surprised by a full-frontal shot when you don’t read why that image was minimized.

Favorite social site I’ve ever used. Love it.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

It’s a good example of where the fediverse trumps Bluesky.

Even though a number of instances on the fediverse can be censorious (and it’s silly how many U.K. based instances there are, when the U.K. is a bad place to host an instance in), it’s not as if you can’t ask why they deemed a post as violating.

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Ducky says:

Re: Re:

In the ATProto world, these servers are called “PDSs” and there is a lot: https://github.com/mary-ext/atproto-scraping. I myself run my own.

The PDS is the thing that centralizes data for you, so I can use other ATProto-powered things (like https://frontpage.fyi or https://psky.social) with that one account.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

It feels a lot like the “federation” with Bluesky is an imaginary element to distract from the fact that they’re just pushing a very censorious website which they can market as a “utopia” to superficial pundits.

As you said, it is extremely censorious. People are banned on the spot for posting very clearly SFW content because some idiot moderator decided it was “NSFW”. The moderation has become a joke even with people complaining about it being far more puritanical than even Twitter.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

It feels a lot like the “federation” with Bluesky is an imaginary element to distract from the fact that they’re just pushing a very censorious website which they can market as a “utopia” to superficial pundits.

The problem here is a lot of silly people who think decentralization means Mastodon-style federation don’t understand that Bluesky is decentralized already in a way that is different than Mastodon federation, and they can’t wrap their heads around it.

It’s not imaginary. Bluesky is already decentralized.

As you said, it is extremely censorious.

Lol. No it’s not.

The moderation has become a joke even with people complaining about it being far more puritanical than even Twitter.

There’s no doubt that some idiots got banned and whined, but no one actually believes this.

And, it doesn’t matter, because they are free to set up their own PDS.

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Drew Wilson (user link) says:

Honestly, 13 million users is still a heck of a lot better than 145 million bots and a half a million real(ly toxic) users (which is a rough picture of what X/Twitter has become in the last year).

Bluesky is probably one of the top platforms I wish I was active on, but simply don’t have enough time (I work a part time day job). I’m already managing a website, a growing YouTube channel (just hit 155 subscribers!), and am active on Mastodon, so my time is pretty much stretched thin as it is. I think Twitch and TikTok are the only other platforms that I kind of wish I was on as well.

My understanding is that it’s supposed to be possible for Bluesky users to communicate with Mastodon users (maybe I’m wrong?), but when I tried searching for my Mastodon account on Bluesky, it doesn’t appear. I think it would be fantastic to be able to follow Mastodon users on Bluesky while sharing and boosting posts from one app to another. I mean, I think it would be absolutely amazing that a Mastodon user could boost a Bluesky post because they share the same protocol, but I’m not sure it’s all that possible as of yet. I think if that sort of thing happens, it would be another nail in the X/Twitter coffin.

Arianity says:

But waiting for Elon to fuck up again and again is not a long-term strategy, even if it keeps happening.

Normally I’d agree, but I think there’s a clear niche for “Twitter but without Elon”. Not sure if you really need anything extra, as long as you hit big enough size for network effects. Which at 13m, I think is pretty close to snowball?

Usually incumbents don’t have the “Elon” downside, so you need something else to differentiate.

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No Thank says:

ToS

Currently I don’t see any waiving of rights or binding arbitration in the Mastodon.social ToS. I don’t even see a Mastodon ToS, nor do I see a requirement for Mastodon to store personal information like my birth date in their Privacy Policy. Sure, individual instances could certainly do so, but still.

I’ll be giving BlueSky a wide berth, tyvm.

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NerdyCanuck (profile) says:

What about getting govt's to move over?

I can’t help but think that part of the strategy has to be to get government agencies (of all sizes) to move over to Bluesky – right now there are still an awful lot of government agencies, like municipal governments, fire services, weather services, police agencies, universities, members of Congress, state agencies etc. who still post updates mainly to Xitter. not to mention news agencies and journalists (tho that’s a different battle, as journos are pretty addicted to it, but I am inclined to think that if governments were to move over, more of them would be forced to follow to get those updates they need for thier news coverage).

Does Bluesky have a strategy to actively woo/entice those kinds of groups to move over?

It seems to me if BS was able to offer affordable , secure, verified account options for those kinds of groups, that it would really help the service become more essential for many users/bring in new users and provide value to them that a lot of people do still get from Xitter. Yes it’s not a brand new feature, but it’s something core that seems important and the benefits of decentralization, especially of having thier own servers and the interoperability with other services, would be really good for governments and other public agencies to embrace, so that they too aren’t so trapped in the walled gardens and have more control of thier own data and audiences.

gettfout (user link) says:

Re:

If you want more people to join Bluesky, I can tell you what I’ve been doing. On the morning after Election Day, I deactivated my old X account, created my first Bluesky account and have since been promoting it hard to people I see in person, friends, on FB, on IG, on Threads. I’ve been telling everyone about Meta’s connection to Project 2025: one of their public policy directors was a Project 2025 employee and Ron DeSantis chief of staff and his hiring coincided with an increase in hateful content and de-prioritizing of LGBTQ profiles.

People are very interested, but most haven’t even heard of Bluesky. And they are ready to get tf out of the Metasphere. Let’s go! It’s not just people escaping from Elon’s vortex anymore. Musk’s vortex is working together with Elon’s to suppress leftist political discourse.

Follow me, my username is gettfout.

gettfout (user link) says:

Re: Re:

Also please follow me on there (gettfout) if you like what I had to say. I’m focusing on Bluesky as my contribution to the Resistance. Just made an account the day after Election Day and have been promoting Bluesky everywhere. I think the state of the social media world is why things turned out the way they did, and I want to be at the frontlines of changing that.

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Anonymous Coward says:

One of the fundamental problems with the fediverse (the one with Mastodon) is that having servers spread throughout the world is supposed to lead to more freedom.

In practice, there are a couple of countries which are particularly awful like the U.K. (the government comes up with all kinds of weird rules) which then expect the rest of the network to moderate along the same lines of how they moderate. This leads to expression being severely stifled.

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