Justice Thomas Seems More Willing To Kill A Possibly Innocent Person Than Mildly Impugn The Reputations Of Prosecutors
from the King-Thomas,-the-Pettily-Vindictive dept
There are few things the government loves less than admitting wrongdoing, especially when the admission might affect multiple levels of government. That’s why nearly every settlement paid out to litigants includes a disavowment of any wrongdoing. And that’s why courts — at multiple levels — are so extremely reluctant to give possibly innocent people an opportunity to plead their case.
Then there’s the wildcard: justices like Clarence Thomas, who don’t seem to care what the law says and continually seek to convert their own personal ideologies into precedent. While this is definitely something Thomas does more consistently than most, refusing to consider new evidence or any genuine questions of guilt is a common feature of all courts at all levels.
“Innocent until proven guilty” is the ideal. The reality — for far too many judges, prosecutors, and jurors — is the opposite: an indictment or arrest makes a person guilty and places the burden on them to prove their innocence. When the system gets rigged through police or prosecutorial misconduct, it’s almost impossible to overturn this presumption of guilt, even via multiple visits to courts, which are supposed to be doing all they can to prevent miscarriages of justice.
The case of Richard Glossip has made it clear most courts don’t care what happens to people once they’ve been convicted, no matter how much exculpatory evidence is uncovered following the conviction. Glossip is on death row at the Oklahoma State Penitentiary, allegedly for hiring 19-year-old Justin Sneed to kill Barry Van Treese back in 1997. He was convicted in 1998 but had his conviction thrown out in 2001 by the Oklahoma District Court of Appeals, which called the prosecution’s case “extremely weak” and finding Glossip had received ineffective assistance of counsel.
Nearly a quarter-century later, this is still somehow being litigated. Glossip was convicted again by a new jury in 2004 and his conviction was affirmed by the same court that found the prosecution lacking the first time around. Multiple appeals, a bunch of new evidence pointing to Glossip’s supposed “accomplice” acting alone, support from local politicians, and questionable acts by the prosecutors handling the case have managed to keep Glossip from being executed, along with various challenges over Oklahoma’s constantly morphing execution cocktail recipe.
At this point, even the Oklahoma state Attorney General, Gentner Drummond, is unwilling to argue against Glossip in court. For some reason, the Supreme Court has decided someone should argue against Glossip, so it hired a former clerk who worked for two current justices (John Roberts, Brett Kavanaugh) to argue the state’s case on its behalf.
The Supreme Court’s hired gun, Christopher Michel — one with ties to two conservative justices — did exactly what was asked of him: he argued it didn’t matter the state AG thought the case was indefensible. The Supreme Court should still consider it defensible and ignore the public disavowal of this conviction.
Michel argues that the court should pay no mind to Drummond’s concerns about the legality of executing Glossip. “Nothing in the Constitution compels a state court to provide a particular measure of deference to a state official’s confession of error,” Michel wrote. In other words, it doesn’t matter how flawed Drummond believes the case is, the court is under no obligation to take those concerns seriously.
Chances are, Justice Clarence Thomas would have said what he said, even if he hadn’t been prompted by Roberts and Kavanaugh’s former foot soldier. Thomas has never met a right he isn’t willing to violate if it means helping cops/prosecutors or any right he isn’t willing to imagine into existence if it helps his far-right buddies (Donald Trump, Trump supporters, anti-choice legislators, Republicans complaining about internet “censorship,” etc.) get what they want.
So, he went all in against Glossip and those advocating for him. The real problem here, said Justice Thomas, is that people are maligning prosecutors who seemingly engaged in a whole bunch of misconduct.
Responding to Glossip’s attorney’s assertions that key information was withheld by prosecutors about the actual killer (Justin Sneed) would have given the accused man a chance to challenge the sole witness’s credibility, Thomas acted as though it was unfair the prosecutors were never given a chance to defend themselves from these accusations, despite having had nearly a quarter-decade to do so.
These omissions are no small matter. The due process clause requires prosecutors to turn over potentially favorable evidence to the defense, and compels them to correct false testimony. [State prosectuors] Smothermon and Ackley did neither. If they had, Glossip’s attorneys might have undermined Sneed’s credibility by proving that he lied on the stand. They may have more persuasively painted him as the lone killer, too, since [Sneed’s psychiatrist, Dr.] Trombka believed Sneed was capable of violent “manic episodes.” Because prosecutors chose to stay silent, Glossip’s attorneys could not make the strongest case for their client.
Yet during Wednesday’s arguments, Thomas sought to recast Smothermon and Ackley as innocent victims of a smear campaign. He immediately asked Seth Waxman, Glossip’s lawyer: “Did you at any point get a statement from either one of the prosecutors?” Waxman told him that he did, in fact, get a sworn statement from Ackley, and that Smothermon was interviewed by an independent counsel appointed by Drummond. So yes: Both prosecutors provided statements. Yet Thomas persisted as if they hadn’t. “It would seem that because not only their reputations are being impugned, but they are central to this case—it would seem that an interview of these two prosecutors would be central.” Waxman protested that, again, both prosecutors were given an opportunity to tell their side of the story. And again, Thomas refused to accept it: “They suggest,” the justice said, “that they were not sought out and given an opportunity to give detailed accounts of what those notes meant.”
That’s the take Thomas makes: that the notes referring to things said about Justin Sneed by his therapist (a therapist he denied seeing while testifying against Glossip), including the fact Dr. Trombka thought Sneed was “capable of violent manic episodes,” were simply misinterpreted by Glossip’s lawyers. And since the prosecutors who wrote the notes have never testified directly that they say the things they say, they’ve somehow been unfairly forced out of this court battle to prevent Glossip from being executed for a crime he didn’t commit.
This is garbage law work. If an attorney tried to make the same arguments in front of the court, they’d be shut down and/or berated by the judges on the bench. But if a justice says it, I guess it’s all ok. But Supreme Court justices are expected to be the best at lawyering, since they’re tasked with making final determinations that not only affect the parties in the current case, but the entirety of judicial system across America. But instead of seriously and neutrally considering the facts of the case, activist justices like Clarence Thomas are making things worse for millions of Americans because they’ve decided their own moral compasses (such as they are, especially in Thomas’s case) are the gold standard for constitutional law.
Filed Under: clarence thomas, death penalty, law enforcement misconduct, prosecutorial misconduct, richard glossip, supreme court


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Awww, somebody doesn’t like law & order and crime deterrence!
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The act of killing an innocent man because the legal system says “kill him no matter what” does not deter crime. It only lessens any faith in the legal system that people may have held before that act.
The state should want to be sure it convicts the right person. It should also want to free someone if they are proven innocent by credible evidence or malfeasance from prosecutors. Jailing and/or killing the innocent does nothing but make people believe the state is corrupt.
Violence never redeems. Violence against the innocent by the state will always make the state look worse. But do go on about how killing an innocent man will make people trust the state and follow the law. You and I both know it’s a bullshit assertion, but when has that ever stopped you?
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You.
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Where did you see any of either of those things?
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Well at least you didn’t say “first”
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“But when innocence itself, is brought to the bar and condemned, especially to die, the subject will exclaim, it is immaterial to me, whether I behave well or ill; for virtue itself, is no security. And if such a sentiment as this, should take place in the mind of the subject, there would be an end to all security what so ever.”
-John Adams
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And in what way does locking up innocent people contribute to law and order and crime deterrence, pray tell? Stop me if you’ve heard this one “It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.” ~ William Blackstone
The judicial system’s doomed, isn’t it?
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Unfortunately, it is more the people caught up in its dysfunction who may be doomed. Peace to you.
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If the system is dooming the innocent, then the system itself is doomed.
Ain’t no justice in jailing the innocent, or worse.
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3/5 Compromise > Confederacy > Jim Crow > War on “Drugs” > War on “Terror”
The abridged history of American Conservatism.
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There was actually an infamous Austrian guy in the early 20th century who took a lot of inspiration from the Jim Crow South. Got real big in Germany.
And thus is Blackstone’s Formulation denied in US Jurisprudence.
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“Blood for The Blood God” is in, though.
“Why can’t I write shit like this?” Whoopi Goldberg in Soapdish
Says it all.
“seems”
Today (Oct 17) has another entry from the State Ordered Murder files as Robert Leslie Roberson III, on death row for 22 years, is almost certain to be killed.
The basis for the case against him has been considered faulty medicine for more than ten years and pretty much every person involved in the original trial thinks it was the wrong outcome. More than half the state house, many other lawyers, doctors and detectives, even John Grisham all filed for commutation for life in prison.
The state is on track to kill an innocent man because Abbot can’t make any of the publicicity he thrives on by pardoning, stopping or even just delaying the execution and the Supreme Court has been uninterested in the matter.
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Remember that Donald Trump has never apologized for calling for the execution of the Central Park Five. Conservatives like him and Abbot tend to hate the idea of letting innocent people go free if they were convicted of a crime; doing so runs counter to their “law and order at any cost” image. They believe innocence is not, in and of itself, a good enough reason to let an innocent person go free.
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Conservatives like him and Abbot tend to hate the idea of letting innocent people go free if they were convicted of a crime; doing so runs counter to their “law and order at any cost” image. They believe innocence is not, in and of itself, a good enough reason to let an innocent person go free.
Unless it’s one of their theirs in which case they will bend over backwards to excuse any crime committed, throwing fits and declaring any conviction as not valid because clearly the ‘liberal judge'(no matter the actual political leaning) had it out for them.
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“For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law.”
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The Central Park Five WERE guilty and SHOULD’VE been executed! Rape of a White woman should be punishable by death regardless of perpetrators’ race or political affiliation!
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Mimicking the intentional ignorance of Donald Trump in a lazy attempt to garner angry replies is weird as hell.
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They weren’t and you’re an idiot.
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Not according to this. Another fact for you: four of the six (originally) suspects were minors, but were nevertheless interrogated outside of the presence of their parents.
And how is rape not bad regardless of the survivor/victim’s race or political affiliation, hmmm?
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They hate letting people go if they were merely accused of a crime, or less. Except anyone who seems to be in their tribe, then no matter what the evidence, it’s all just a giant witch hunt.
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Robert Roberson Will Be Executed Because It’s Legal to Execute Innocent People in the US
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/robert-roberson-execution-innocent
'YOUR life matters less than MY win record in court.'
Here’s a thought: If the poor, fragile prosecutors don’t want people to be real meanies and call them out for deliberately withholding exculpatory evidence, in a trial where they are aiming for the death penalty then maybe they should treat justice as the goal rather than just ‘winning’ cases no matter what.
As for Justice Thomas the fact that he asked the same question three times despite having been answered makes clear that he wasn’t interested in an honest answer, he was just using the situation as an excuse to throw a petulant tantrum over the ‘injustice’ of people being so mean to the prosecutor who rigged a murder case against the defendant by withholding evidence.
Above all else, Republicans’ goal is to kill innocent Americans.
He was convicted in 1998 but had his conviction thrown out in 2001 by the Oklahoma District Court of Appeals
Glossip was convicted again by a new jury in 2004 and his conviction was affirmed
How many times can a person be tried for the same crime?
I am not a lawyer and double jeopardy may have strange exceptions and/or requirements, idk, but this seems like it is the same thing again.
The conviction was thrown out, does that mean he was acquitted?
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It means the conviction was vacated. That meant the state could try him again if it so chose, which it did.
Republicans, bringing back the 1650s!
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Actually, the Republicans never left the 1650s!
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“Republicans, bringing back the 1650s!”
Back when America was great .. amirite?
It was prior to the European invasion, illegal immigrants and all. Bringing disease and violence, they did not send their best.
For the love of fuck, just kill the poor man, or release him. This sort of torture is precisely the reason I’m against capital punishment. It manages to torture over decades and effectively kill without ever having to actually kill. A life’s functionally ended either way.
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Agreed. Carry out death sentence immediately, Soviet-style (.32 ACP to base of neck)!
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I’m against capitol punishment if for no other reason than because there’s a non-zero and 100% respectively chance that an innocent person will be and has been killed due to it, but there is at last one good reason not to make it immediate, and that is it allows wrongfully convicted people the time to contest their conviction and potentially get it overturned, something that would not be the case if it was as simple as ‘found guilty today, executed tomorrow’.
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And that’s the whole problem right there. The State Capitol will never see punishment for the state mandated murder of innocent suspects.
No one wants to admit the system is flawed or that the system, even on the rare occasions its forced to admit it was wrong, never compensated those its screwed.
“Regular” people believe that they never target innocent people, there are no false confessions, there are no interrogations that last days, all rights are afforded.
“Regular” people also believe that on those ‘super rare’ occasions when an innocent is jailed the system will compensate them.
The truth is the nation has executed innocent people.
The nation has executed innocent people by ignoring evidence of their innocence.
The nation accepts justice being denied because it might offend a former prosecutor or because some date has passed.
The system can not be just when it incarcerates and murders innocent people.
The system can not be just when prisoners are dying from neglect by the system.
The system can not be just as long as it pretends it can never make mistakes, there are no bad apples, & even if they planted fake evidence the prisoner has no right to have the conviction reviewed or overturned.
The same system that bends over backwards to protect cops who literally executed people by shooting them in the back, can’t begin to imagine that sometimes it screws up and condemns to death someone the cops just didn’t like.
The same system refuses to ask questions when the “top of the line high tech” “science” used to send people to their death or life in prison are shown to be completely flawed and can not provide any actual evidence.
Have we gotten everyone convicted using bite-marks a review yet? How about hair comparison? Or 101 other “sciences” that are as accurate as astrology?
DNA is the gold standard!!!
Funny, I remember the man they arrested for murder based on DNA despite there being no possible way he was on the scene… because it was touch DNA transfered by the ambulance that had transported the ‘suspect’ and his alleged victim hours apart.
But then this is never really a problem until it happens to you or someone you love & then its a huge miscarriage and why idn’t anyone doing anything?!?!
Because we nod sagely and believe a system that tells us they are guilty ignoring the accused often get no actual legal help & definitely no experts who can explain that DNA is awesome, but sometimes it doesn’t show what you want it to.
Uncle Thomas is just mad that people might think less of the system, I think he underestimates how much damage he himself has done to that image & has shown he doesn’t care about truth as much as he cares about getting good tips.
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“Uncle Thomas” is an incredible and amazing jurist who commands great respect and admiration.
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I have more respect for my average fart than I do for a man still sitting on the Supreme Court after taking what amounts to bribes from a man who has been involved in cases that went before SCOTUS.
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I originally read that as “Under Thomas” is an incredible and amazing… and thought, “I feel for this particular MSM.”
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“Uncle Thomas” is an incredible and amazing jurist who commands great respect and admiration.
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Does he have a cabin?
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Yes, it’s an amazing cabin that’s mobile and paid for by a rich dude who has great respect and admiration for Uncle Thomas because he does what he’s been told.
Judge Thomas. There are few people in the world that I hope have a sudden heart attack and die. Thomas is high on that very short list.
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injustice
I invented American Needs Common Sense.org so that Americans can collaborate and have discourse that leads to us speaking with one voice. The concept of reforming the injustice system will only occur when power is balanced between we the people and the government that is misbehaving so badly.
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“leads to us speaking with one voice”
Why would one want everyone to say the same thing?
Monoculture leads to extinction.
“when power is balanced between we the people and the government that is misbehaving so badly.”
Balance of power? That will never happen.
Why is it that government is behaving badly (inferring the people are not) when ‘the government’ is comprised of people who are behaving badly? Your claim could be reduced to a common denominator by simply saying that people are behaving badly. But you need someone to blame huh?
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Given the hysterical tone of the Techdirt piece, I presumed it was just another typical set of bullshit. When the issues aren’t clear, the heightened level of partisan snarkery grows. Why Techdirt often publishes pieces that are full of hot-blooded irrational hate is beyond me.
But I didn’t know much about Glossip, so was unable to comment when published.
But now I do. And as usual, when the hysteria at Techdirt is high, so is the falsity.
THERE WAS NO PROSECUTORIAL ERROR! The current prosecutor simply didn’t want to execute Glossip, and so “conceded” error by a previous prosecutor IN ORDER TO PREVENT EXECUTION. But there was no error at all.
Get it? The current prosecutor took a dive! And this prosecutor isn’t the first.
See this, just for example: https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4953184-glossip-case-prosecutors-errors/
You people. Honestly.