Just Because You Can, Doesn’t Mean You Should, Or What Disney’s Litigation Disaster Teaches Us About Tech Policy
from the test-on-mice-first dept
There are many things to say about Disney’s recent self-induced litigation disaster. Not the case that good Disney lawyering just helped win; I am referring to the case where bad Disney lawyering tried to press the now-withdrawn legal argument that a plaintiff, suing over the death of their spouse allegedly stemming from an allergic reaction incurred after dining in a Disney-affiliated restaurant, had effectively waived their right to sue in court when they had subscribed to a trial of Disney+ some years earlier, thanks to its terms of service that included a provision that any disputes go to mandatory arbitration instead.
As someone on social media commented, “Bold of Disney to take the legal stance that if you watched one of their shows they can kill your spouse.” Which isn’t technically what Disney was doing, but so long as it managed to convey that perception, and that perception was reasonable, it may not matter that what the public thinks is technically inaccurate. What every company engaging with the public needs to recognize is that if you make choices that reasonably alarm the public, it may not matter that you were technically allowed to make those choices, because now you have to contend with having an alarmed public.
In this Disney case a few things went into its unfortunate argument. One was that it brought to the fore issues with adhesion contracts. Adhesion contracts are contracts where there’s been no negotiation between the parties; instead, if one party goes ahead and uses a product or service then these are the terms that essentially “stick” to that consumer relationship. In theory the consumer should have consented to these terms applying to them, but in practice this consent is generally elicited by statements like, “By clicking ok you agree…” or even “By using this product you agree…” and there is the concern whether doing those things elicits consent that is meaningful enough to make the contract valid and enforceable, especially as to its most onerous terms.
The issue is that contracts are binding agreements that are supposed to represent a “meeting of the minds” between the contracting parties – which in any B2C arrangement is the company and the customer. But with adhesion contracts where there’s no negotiation there’s always the question as to whether there ever was that meeting of the minds, especially since customers are so rarely aware of what they are agreeing to. There has to be that accord in order to know if the parties have agreed to be bound by the contract’s provisions, including the most demanding ones.
One kind of particularly demanding provision is the kind that specifies there be mandatory arbitration for any disputes that may arise. This type of provision is often criticized as being inequitable in how it cuts aggrieved parties off from the courts if they believe they’ve been harmed by the other. In negotiated contracts the parties could both agree that such a provision might make sense for their deal — perhaps they might choose them because it could lead to lower prices. But with adhesion contracts, it may represent an injustice to cut people off from the courts without them ever really having the chance to decide if they are ok with such a term.
For their part, companies have tended to like mandatory arbitration provisions because they are largely thought to mitigate what could be enormous legal risk arising from potentially multitudinous customer claims, or class action claims. If they had to fear going to court every time a customer was unhappy, validly or not, it could be debilitatingly expensive. (Of course, sometimes it turns out to be debilitatingly expensive to have to arbitrate.) But from the consumer perspective, such provisions are often thought to be harmful because it means they may not be able to effectively seek a remedy to an actual injury.
In this case Disney was trying to enforce a contract of adhesion with a mandatory arbitration provision. Which it was generally allowed to do, even though it could be regarded as consumer-unfriendly. But what Disney tried to do was worse than that, because the contract it was trying to enforce, with its onerous arbitration term, was an adhesion contract for an unrelated transaction with the company. What got everyone so outraged was that now you had the company (a) trying to close the courthouse door to a party with a claim of harm, (b) via a contract of adhesion, and (c) that was entered into by the customer in a context entirely different from the one in which the harm arose, and in a way that was unlikely to be foreseeable to the customer. Legally, Disney’s argument was a stretch, because it really strains our understanding of how contracts are supposed to work, manifesting mutual agreement, to use a contract from an apples transaction for an injury arising from one involving oranges. But the fact that it was a dubious legal argument wasn’t the issue – as far as litigation is concerned, you may want to take what swings you can, and even weak arguments might yet prevail. The issue was that Disney failed to recognize it was not just fighting in court but in the court of public opinion. And just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should, because there is more to lose than just the case.
Which is the greater message to take from this mess. In Disney’s case, by pursuing this litigation strategy, it was trying to save money in litigation costs. But it managed to cost itself at least as much in other harm. It did nothing to entice anyone to want to do business with it, whether as a streaming customer, restaurant diner, or patron of any other Disney service, and instead likely deterred it. The company will now have to spend resources to regain the customer goodwill it squandered by so fastidiously trying to stand on its rights.
But it stands as a cautionary tale for other companies, not just in terms of how they litigate, but how they make any business choices. Just because you can do something does not mean you should. In tech policy companies have historically benefited from a rather laissez-faire regulatory environment. And there are good reasons to want such hands-off policy, as more heavy-handed regulation can choke off speech and innovation. But with that freedom companies have often made choices that gratuitously antagonized the public. And there are consequences to antagonizing the public, because an angry public is likely to go to lawmakers to demand more regulation. And then there goes the nice laissez-faire freedom companies used to be able to enjoy.
Maybe if the resulting regulation were all apt and well-tailored with no collateral issues there would be no need for concern. But reactive regulation, written in the wake of public outrage, is rarely good. Much of what we’re contending with now in tech policy, regarding privacy, algorithms, AI, and plenty of other issues eliciting public outcry, is varying degrees of terrible, and even potentially unconstitutional. And so we fight it, but it’s hard to fight, and expensive to fight, and maybe not possible to always succeed at fighting. So as we find ourselves in the midst of some existential battles fighting for the freedom to continue to innovate it’s worth recognizing that maybe we wouldn’t be here if a little more care had been taken in making all those business decisions. Not because the law required it – it probably didn’t – but because the public’s good sense did.
Filed Under: arbitration, clickwrap, contracts, contracts of adhesion
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Comments on “Just Because You Can, Doesn’t Mean You Should, Or What Disney’s Litigation Disaster Teaches Us About Tech Policy”
Reactive Regulation
But reactive regulation, written in the wake of public outrage, is rarely good.I’ve always thought that laws named after a specific person were pretty much always bad laws. They tend to be knee-jerk reactions to one-off newsworthy events and not reasonable compromises to important problems.
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I propose a new law that would outlaw the naming of laws after the person who brought the issue to the forefront of human perception.
We could call it the andrew_duane law.
What Disney is arguing is that you a contract for a temp video streaming service should apply to a restaurant.
In other words, Uber food delivery could have you sign your right to car deaths away and when uber non food service runs you over they get to apply the food service terms.
The idea Disney is pushing is that giant multi service companies can use contracts for any of their services and apply that to all of their services.
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That’s the libertarian wet dream. With all the FedSoc ghouls filling the judiciary, it wasn’t necessarily a wild swing.
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Most Libertarians are house cats and generally, should not be taken seriously.
They are fiercely independent, while still hopelessly reliant on systems they don’t even understand.
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House cats can be affectionate and make for great pets. As long as you watch them constantly and keep them indoors where possible.
Libertarians, however…
Let’s just say that comparing MOST libertarians to house cats is a grave insult to the cats.
Especially since libertarians left unchecked can cause more damage than house cats ever will. And house cats left unchecked can and do cause a lot of damage to ecosystems.
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I disagree. I grew up with cats, so I know that some breeds need to be outside for at least a portion of the day.
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No… not in the universe i know. Been voting Libertarian since 1980 and an LP member almost as long, and neither myself nor any lower-case l or capital L l/Libertarian with whom i’ve interacted would think that any sort of grotesque abuse of contracts as in 11:24 AM A.C.’s example (or what Disney tried to pull as described in the main article) would be anything other than horrific and unacceptable.
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But they can’t,
because according to legal fiction and a clever shell game.
Disney EXPERIENCES is a TOTALLY different company from Disney ENTERTAINMENT and ESPN.
“We are separate for losses but singular for gains” is the premise.
Y’all don’t get to have it both ways!
And yes. Disney is arguing that they get to murder people. They are arguing that they have the right to control your legal rights when they kill you.
All we need is a law that states that arbitration, and any waiving of constitutional rights cannot happen in contracts from private companies.
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Would such protections for the commoner survive SCOTUS at its current composition?
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That depends. Do you have a spare motorcoach?
Note: It must be new and lux.
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If the supreme court starts striking down state contract regulation laws we’ll it is the Lochner era all over again.
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I don’t think anyone would object to Disney requiring that any disputes related to a Disney+ Free Trial account be handled by arbitration. The objection comes from that stipulation being applied to an entirely different circumstance in an entirely different place and time around an entirely different subject simply because the same monolithic company was behind the streaming service and the resort restaurant.
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Umm yes, I do object to forced arbitration being included in ANY contract. Forced arbitration always leans heavily in favor of the corporation requiring it and is, generally speaking, total bullshit.
Maybe it wasn’t just litigation cost, but trying force such contract expansion into a normalized state accepted as “the way things are done” by society, which is the way so many intrusive and abusive practices become “normal”.
It just failed
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The capital class absolutely wants to return to company scrip, company stores, and indentured servitude.
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You load 16 tons, what do you get?
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Another day older, and deeper in debt.
(couldn’t resist)
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It is absolutely true that Disney tried to expand the Disney+ contract terms to cover things other than the contract. And they are hardly the first to do so.
An essay Infinite Arbitration Clauses covers this in some detail.
The introduction to the essay illustrates a poster child:
* person signs up for AT&T Mobility Wireless account
* AT&T acquires DirecTV
* DirecTV starts making nuisance calls to Person (to-become Plaintiff)
* Plaintiff sues on basis of Telephone Consumer Protection Act
* DirecTV makes an argument that because they are (now) an “affiliate” of Mobility, they are covered by an arbitration clause in Mobility’s contract.
That particular ploy didn’t fly, but others (described in the essay) did.
What Disney and most other corporations behavior teaches us is that soulless fucking ghouls do exist and they often, are large corporations.
Fuck Disney.
Here’s an idea: repeal the Arbitration Act and outlaw it entirely. Might be unpopular, but I doubt it will “chill” speech all that much. I get that the “intent” behind Arbitration might’ve been good, but companies abuse it far too often, and it’s clear it can’t remain in it’s current form. Either heavily restrict it or remove the right to arbitrate entirely.
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This is the answer and the only people this would be unpopular with are those that shitting on everyone with binding arbitration garbage.
I pay someone to adjudicate claims against me and want to argue it’s fair? wink wink
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I’m all for completely repealing the act, but I’m also open to considering the consequences. If doing so would genuinely have a harmful chilling effect on speech or innovation, or it’s ripple effects would, and someone can analyze that and find a way to prove it, then I’m all for strongly restricting when arbitration is acceptable and when it is not. However, I get the sense that “This will chill innovation/speech” is more of a strawman than anything else. The Federal Arbitration Act was enacted in 1926 (or rather that is when it took effect). Maybe it would’ve chilled speech/innovation back then, but times have changed, and so it needs to go.
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Agreed, forced arbitration is complete bullshit.
I saw 2 nice 2 sentence horror story on reddit,
guy wakes up in tub of ice missing kidney, goes to the police who inform him that the Netflix T&C allowed them to do it.
Not quite off topic
The 7th circuit recently rewarded Samsung for being a (expletive deleted).
A plaintiff arranged a mass arbitration against Samsung, on the basis of the Illinois Biometric Information Privacy Act.
Samsung decided not to pay the (millions of dollars of) arbitration fees. The American Arbitration Association, instead of finding for the plaintiffs, terminated the proceedings without a finding.
Plaintiff sued in a class action suit to compel arbitration. The district court dismissed some plaintiffs on jurisdiction (they don’t live in illinois), but told Samsung to suck it up with regards to 35,000 others.
Samsung went to the 7th circuit.
This was despite the fact that it was a contract of adhesion. Despite that Samsung had not argued “lack of contract”.
Myself, I think the plaintiffs should have argued “in the alternative, Samsung has abandoned any arbitration claims, and so can be sued directly for the privacy issues”. Given that the Seventh has said the plaintiffs had to prove there was a contract (that required arbitration), that may come back to bite them in the lower court:
“Okay, Samsung, prove there was an arbitration clause in effect”
Y – return to the 7th, “see, they admit – nay, insist on it!”
N – okay, then how about we sue you here, since there isn’t any arbitration clause in effect.
It seems clear that adhesion contracts don’t meet the criteria of meeting of the minds, but neither do countless other contracts that are enforced where one party (usually the poorer one) is tricked into signing a contract with an unscrupulous entity. Even when people are blatantly lied to, if they signed it, it’s somehow legal and binding.
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I don’t think it has to be all or nothing. In some ways adhesion contracts make sense, because they can include things like a price term. “By using our product you agree to pay us $X…” And from that point of view, they are useful and good for everyone. Being able to strike quick deals tends to make the deals cheaper.
But the more onerous the provision, the less beneficial the deal is, and the less likely that one can argue that a customer would have willingly agreed to it. On the other hand, if that term is the only thing that makes it possible for the company to offer the product or service, then maybe the customers would willingly agree, so that they can benefit from those products and services.
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I sort-of agree with this. However, I have always held the belief that if all parties in a contractually arrangement do not understand and can fully consent to a contract (aka the “meeting of the minds”) then the contract should be automatically invalidated unless the contract is simple enough that a reasonable individual would understand it. This is, IMO, especially important, given that every preamble of every contract of adhesion always begins with something along the lines of “by [doing actions] you agree that you have read, understood […]”. If a reasonable consumer cannot even meet this criteria (given that there is no way a reasonable consumer could actually understand the contract they have read because they don’t have the background to do so), how can the contract be valid? But that’s me.
Louis Rossmann made a video on the subject that brought up a good point: Disney’s initial decision to enforce its forced arbitration clause was the biggest justification for piracy. Had the plaintiff sailed the high seas instead of being a law-abiding person by doing the right thing through streaming, there wouldn’t be a forced arbitration clause they agreed to, making the claim have to go through the courts on the merits.
Put another way, if Disney thought it could get away with killing its customers with impunity just for doing the right thing, the MAFIAA is a lot closer to the actual mafia than I think anyone wanted.
" fastidiously trying to stand on its rights."
So the idea of Signing/acknowledging a Contract OF ANY KIND OR MADE AT ANY TIME Can extend to A Sub=alternate case Non-related to the Original contract? Or Time frame.
So when they Erroneously, make a 200 page contract (so that you Wont try to read any of it) only to tell you that you HAVE no contract or Warranty. Which even tho is bypassing Many state and federal laws. You are Bound by the miss-appropriation of bypassing State and Federal LAWS.
CAN I ASK
Why the hell is he only asking for $50,000.
Anti-EULA anyone?
Somebody needs to invent a kind of “User” statement as a counter-part to shrink-wrap EULAs etc. Something you can register and refer to (via link?) that basically stipulates that the company that accepts your subscription, by accepting it, also accepts a bunch of clauses that define how they can or cannot behave.
Most important, they state that if they happen to contradict the EULA, they replace the EULA clauses.
It should contain general clauses like how the company cannot waive any responsabilities or replace right to trial with arbitration etc.
After all, any contract has to be accepted by both parties, right?
And both parties can add clauses to a contract, right?
And companies automatically accept (“sign”) their side of the proposed contract when I sign up, don’t they?
Disney doesn't own the restaurant
I think Disney dug themselves a hole by stepping into the lawsuit in the first place.
Raglan Road is the restaurant that served the food which caused the allergy death is on Disney property but separately owned.
Disney was named in the lawsuit because they have more money than the owners of Raglan Road.
So Disney should have filed a motion to dismiss themselves from the lawsuit since they weren’t directly involved. After all, when was the last time a landlord was held responsible for the actions of the tenant, including accidental deaths?
Also if Disney had taken this ridiculous assertion to trial it could (and almost certainly would) have been a huge blow against arbitration clauses and corporate “rights”.
The assertion they made is also a confession of a monopoly, which would not have played out well for them
Ironic, then, that at the bottom of this page is a banner reading “This site, like most other sites on the web, uses cookies. For more information, see our privacy policy, and there is no way to refuse some or all of the inessential cookies. Before pointing out the evils of adhesion contracts, Techdirt, perhaps you should get rid of your own.
Ironic, then, that at the bottom of this page is a banner reading “This site, like most other sites on the web, uses cookies. For more information, see our
privacy policy,” and there is no way to refuse some or all of the inessential cookies. Before pointing out the evils of adhesion contracts, Techdirt, perhaps you should first get rid of your own.Re:
Sure there is…
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Point to it then, liar.
Who’s the mascot of the firm that’s blocking fair lawsuits? M-I-C, K-E-Y, M-O-U-S-E!
One of the the morals of this story is that click-wrap TOS can be dangerous, and it is lower risk to pirate than it is to engage in corporate-connected services legitimately.
It also provides an example of how an institution will argue in bad faith in court in order to get out of paying for events for which they are rightly liable.
No, it’s just that whatever lawyer thought this was a wise litigation strategy, and the Disney exec that signed off on it, are both morons and should be fired. There’s no way the argument would ever hold up. From the Disney+ Subscriber Agreement (emphasis mine):
The arbitration clause only applies to issues related to Disney+ or ESPN+, and it’s explicitly stated as such in the agreement. I can’t imagine even the most Disney friendly judge agreeing that a restaurant at a Disney park is in any way meaningfully “related” to the Disney+ service such that the agreement would apply, and even if they did, it would be torched on appeal. This argument simply never had a chance, and they were stupid for even trying it.
I am thinking of mailing Disney a letter (cert return receipt, of course), stating that by opening the letter the have agreed to rescind any arbitration agreements I may have entered into with them through the years, and setting down the jurisdiction and venue provisions they have also agreed to by opening the letter.