Utah Gov’t Leaned So Hard Into Confirmation Bias That Its Transphobic Snitch Form Became A Playground For Trolls
from the and-yet-no-one-learned-anything-from-this-experience dept
This is the sort of dumb shit you do when you feel the only people who will bother responding to your hateful dog whistle are a bunch of dogs (with valid voting registration!) that constantly have one ear cocked towards their master’s voice.
You leave a web form for comments almost completely unsecured and pretty much completely exploitable by people who think you and the people you’re whistling towards are a bunch of hateful fuckheads. Details here are provided by ex-Motherboard/Vice journalist Samantha Cole at 404 Media, an entity that definitely deserves plenty of love and monetary support.
Utah set up an online form for people to accuse other citizens and public establishments of violating the state’s recently-enacted transphobic “bathroom bill.” The submission form is being flooded with memes and troll comments, and the auditor also left the submissions database open to the public—without a password, authentication, or any other protections that would keep anyone from viewing other people’s submissions.
You just can’t do this sort of thing. Not now. Not even a decade ago.
It’s not as though the internet is still just a plaything for people with hundreds to spend on dial-up connections every month. For the most part, it’s as common as tap water (and, like tap water, its quality and supply vary greatly from location to location). No government would allow anyone to dump whatever they want into the water supply. But when it comes to the internet, governments often still cling to a more utopian view of online activity where it’s assumed everything will turn out alright, even if no one makes any efforts to help ensure this outcome.
They continue to cling to this view even though the history of the internet is filled with anecdotal evidence that suggests an extreme amount of care and caution is required when opening up the complaint lines to the internet in general — everything from people suggesting “Hitler did nothing wrong” for a new Mountain Dew flavor to most of 4chan organizing to get moot (the creator of the site) voted in as “Man of the Year” at Time Magazine’s website.
This is the sort of hubris that ignores the history of the internet in favor of legislators’ subjective views of their wisdom and influence. And, like most people on the planet, Utah government officials tend to think they’re smarter than the rest of the world, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary. Utah’s legislators love the people who love their bigoted shtick, but they’re blessed with far more confidence than competence.
This “hotline” (as it were) was set up to give pro-hate legislators ammo for more hateful legislation by giving people, who thought they might have seen a non-cis enter a restroom, a place to confirm the biases of hate-filled legislators. The tip line was the follow-up effort of state lawmakers who helped enact a law requiring the state auditor to field complaints from bigots with axes to grind (and the free time to grind them) and report back to the legislature about any perceived restroom violations.
But that didn’t work out because state legislators were so sure only their own would respond. Once the tip line information was spread throughout the internet, it became a playground for people opposed to laws like these to fill the internet in-box with literally anything but confirmations of anti-LGBTQ bias.
The form link has been posted to Twitter, and people have repeatedly posted screenshots of themselves uploading memes. In the database, those included photos of Barry Wood, characters from Bee Movie, and Shutterstock images of bull testicles.
Twitter users have also found a link to the database that the form is connected to, which is hosted on a public Google cloud console bucket that as of Thursday, required no authentication to view. I tested the form, and found that my submission—a photo of the yelling table cat meme—appeared instantly in the Google Console bucket. The submission form offers anonymity with the option for the state auditor to contact submitters for more details. I haven’t seen names and contact information shared in the database, but comments and image attachments were easily viewable.
The first problem is the state government said, “Just do it live. We’ll fix it in post.” And that’s always a problem when the government runs a tip line. Those wanting to hear what they want to hear will just discard the things they don’t want to hear and claim the constituency fully supports whatever hatred they’re trying to push.
The other problem is the assumption that only like-minded people would bother responding to this sort of narrowly focused tip line. When you make that assumption, you do incredibly stupid things — like not bothering to make any attempt to verify the humanity of those filling out the form… or, in this case, not bothering to secure the virtual complaint box or the personal information of those making these submissions.
As 404 Media points out, the auditor’s office decided it might be a good idea to require ID authentication for those seeking to access the contents of the online complaint box. It’s too little and way too late.
It probably won’t matter. You can’t win with hateful government employees like these. The legislators who passed a shitty law and added an unsecured web form as a chaser won’t learn anything from this experience. If the tip line had been flooded with tips confirming legislators’ (illegitimate) fears that trans individuals are using the “wrong” (wtf) bathrooms in public spaces, these lawmakers would have presented this as evidence the law was needed. Now that it’s been flooded with cat memes and bull testicles, the same legislators will probably spin this as either a leftist ploy to de-legitimize its important restroom enforcement efforts or as a definitive demonstration about why it’s always a waste of time to bother asking the governed what they think about anything.
No matter how they spin it, we’ll know the truth: legislators were so sure only people with the same narrow minds as themselves would be bothered to respond so they never even attempted to implement even the most basic of efforts related to security or veracity. That’s the sort of thing that only happens when you’re so blinded by ideology you’re unable to see even the most predictable of results.
Filed Under: bathrooms, online form, transphobia, trolls, utah
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“Trans” doesn’t describe a definable “people.”
“Transphobia” just means heresy against a sexist pseudo-religion posing as a civil rights movement, grifting on goodwill for LGB people who sought tolerance, hoodwinking secular govts into endorsing an illogical anti-woman faith.
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Ok grampa .. time for your nap.
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This is stale even by transphobe standards. 🥱
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So, how would you describe the Satanic Temple?
A civil rights movement posing as a pseudo-religion grifting on the ill-will of religious conservatives, hoodwinking only-nominally secular governments into endorsing a logical pro-tolerance stance?
I mean, you’d be largely right there. But I think you’re several points off from true regarding transphobia.
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The litmus test question isn’t What Is a Woman? (we all know the answer); it’s What Is a “Trans” Person? (no one knows the answer).
And perhaps law should stick to official recognition of categories that are factually, objectively real, definable, & in need of legal protection.
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You sound remarkably like some of the homophobes of the previous decade who just denied that homosexuality was even a thing, instead believing everyone was straight.
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When the anti-trans crowd is done with trans people, they’ll go after other queer people next. Anti-trans bigots never stopped being anti-queer—they just stopped being so loud about gay people because nobody was buying into their shit any more.
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If “gender identity” is a valid scientific theory, why is it “LGBTQ+” activists who come into schools to “train” staff & students?
Conversely, if GI is a civil right to express your inner authentic self regardless of sex, why is medical technology needed to concretize a civil right?
(Answers: GI isn’t valid science, civil rights, or medicine — it’s a set of illogical & counterfactual spiritual, metaphysical tenets pushed by cultish influencers & spread as culture-bound syndromes.)
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Because queer people have actual lived experience with being queer. What you’re implying is akin to asking why Black people are invited to schools to talk about anti-Black racism.
Because a person has the right to choose how they express their gender, and medical treatment for gender reassignment/transition is one way of doing that. What right do you have to deny any trans person their right to undergo that treatment?
So “transgenderism” is a religion? Cool, the First Amendment would actually protect it, then.
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Christian creationists succeeded for a while in influencing ostensibly secular, public institutions (mostly schools) to teach faith as fact. What was at stake were core principles; the same principles are at stake w/ public institutions subscribing to gender identity ideology — a set of faith-based tenets not grounded in logic or reason that (not coincidentally) also takes a dim view of women’s abilities, roles, and overall equality in value, to men.
What’s worse about mandatory genderism than mandatory creationism, is believing the earth is 6,000 years old or that humans were created out of whole cloth rather than evolved from other organisms, is those beliefs don’t entail devastating repercussions for women, gays & lesbians, & youth encouraged to medically damage their bodies to practice their faith.
The core principles at stake in objecting to creationism or genderism being taught in public schools include: the human right of children to an education based in knowledge not indoctrination into faith; parents, not the government, have the right to influence their own kids in matters of faith; academic freedom (educators who know creationism doesn’t comport w/ the facts & evidence amassed in centuries of knowledge accrued through the scientific method have the right to teach fact not faith); separation of church & state (we forbid the government from establishing or enforcing an official faith); pluralism & liberalism in the Enlightenment vein that recognizes every individual’s right (without government coercion) to self-determination & self-expression, to believe and not believe in unprovable metaphysical narratives.
The main reason why the parallel (but greater harm) of genderism to creationism isn’t perceived by as many people (so far), is that gender identity ideology doesn’t present itself as a matter of faith — it’s a wolf of spirituality in sheep’s clothing of false civil rights plus pseudo-science. For people to realize the gender emperor is naked will require stripping the sartorial covers of bad science & insultingly parasitical civil rights, exposing just a weird mysticism about “gender souls” that needs to be relegated to the same status as Scientology or New Ageism.
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So what you’re saying is that trans people are not only trying to attack and dethrone God, they’re trying to wipe out all organized religions merely by existing?
FUCKING BASED.
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If that were true, it would be a pretty solid argument against all organized religions.
Why is it so hard for some people to accept both “god made them male and female” and “gender and sex are both on a spectrum and not the same one”, and yet they have no issues accepting both creation stories in Genesis, nor “love those who hate/persecute you, love and do not hate” and “hate the trans people?”
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I would make the argument that the [mostly] Christian interpretation of Genesis as God making a man Adam and Eve coming out of male Adam’s rib is a misinterpretation of Genesis. According to the Talmud, there are 8 genders, and one of them is Androgynos, or both male and female, and this was Adam’s original form and then god split them into male Adam and female Eve.
So if Genesis didn’t make any sense, it’s because Christians have been reading it wrong!
Check this out for more: https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-eight-genders-in-the-talmud/
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Yup; I agree 100%. That’s what happens when you try to make something mean something that aligns with what you already believe, instead of trying to understand what was written in context.
But someone has to be pretty intentional about the misinterpretation at some point for all this to work, even if everyone who follows after has just left their brain at the door to follow the groupthink because it’s easier than working it all out for themselves.
Re: Re: Re:6 If 'trans people exist' is a threat to your god... that god's pretty pathetic.
It always amuses me when some religious nutter screams about how ‘[Insert thing they hate here] is trying to destroy/dethrone god!’ as it’s a massive own-goal that portrays their god as some pathetic being that can be overthrown/destroyed by some paltry material thing like ‘gay/trans people exist’ or ‘science disagrees with their holy book of choice’.
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Yeah, I find it downright bizarre just how casually the bigots throw out way worse heresies without being called out. They are way worse than the “implicit violation” stretched logic they accuse trans people of by going statements never given as a command. Jesus killed a fig tree. Does that mean planting a fig tree is sinful and against god?
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If males who DON’T claim to be women can be excluded from female spaces for accepted reasons, yet gender-faith men are admitted, the system is giving every single man veto power over the existence of safeguarding & human rights of dignity & equal opportunities for women.
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That argument falls apart when you consider that trans men exist too.
And Non-binary/agender people.
And the fact that people can be wronged by others of their own gender.
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TBH, I’ve never known any male claim to be women. It’s transphobes who claim that trans men are women.
Re: Re: Re:5 Excuse me -- your cultural miopia is showing
The absolute insistence on a “by definition” existence of precisely and only two sexes tightly coupled to precisely and only two corresponding genders, is a modern “Western” conceit.
For example, in medieval times the Church was known to recognize and bless same-sex unions. In the Jewish Talmudic legal and scholastic) tradition (extending even further back than Christianity’s very existence) there is explicit acknowledgement of at least eight different sexes and genders, and how this existence affected the religious and legal obligations relating to these individuals.
Perhaps what you are dismissing as some sort of recent, weird religious or psychological, ideologically-based phenomenon, is merely the inevitable acknowledgement of actual, varying human characteristics, that in our culture we have ignored until now, simply because it didn’t fit our preconceptions of “how the world is” — or “how the world should be“.
It’s not acknowledging observable reality, but rather ignoring aspects of reality that we disapprove of, that deserves to be dismissed as religious doctrine disguised as pseudoscience. It turns out that the doctrine of “Only two sexes, and only two genders” is the actual faith-based “Emperor with no clothes” in this analogy.
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Goddammit, you beat me to it, and you said it even better than I did! Bravo!
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Those were all certainly words.
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“GI isn’t valid science, civil rights, or medicine…”
I’m pretty sure the Gastro-Intestional tract is both real and both a part of science and medicine. Though I do agree there there’s no reason for a GI Tract Bill Of Rights outside the context of a Taco Bell bathroom.
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For the same reason autistic people come to schools to help train staff and students to understand autism, and why disabled people come to schools to help train staff and students to understand the needs of disabled people: They understand best what it’s like to live with those conditions.
Also, people like you call doctors who help transgender people transition “LGBTQ+ activists”, anyways, so it’s basically because anyone who would be able to train them is an activist by definition.
It has been for a long time. The right to not die of curable illnesses or treatable injuries is a civil right, too, and that definitionally requires medical technology. I can also say that, thanks to my quadruple-whammy of autism, ADHD, anxiety, and depression, I require medical technology in order to express my authentic self to the extent of “a person capable of any level of communication and external awareness”.
Also, the civil rights in question here are the right to use available medical technology as doctors are able and willing and is ethical and the right to be treated equally to others regardless of conditions you have no real control over, not just being your authentic self.
There’s nothing spiritual or metaphysical about it. It’s just that their brains are wired for a body that they don’t have, which throws off their proprioception (the sense that lets you know what your body feels like, what parts are present, and where each part is relative to each other; it’s also responsible for “phantom limb” syndrome) and, in some cases, causes severe discomfort.
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Trans people are objectively real and in need of legal protection, given that conservative legislators are trying to outlaw the public existence of transgender people piece by piece, from “bathroom bills” to attacks on transgender healthcare. Trans people are people despite how they don’t fit neatly into the social construct of gender that lots of people want to be as simple as “man has penis, woman has vagina”.
Side note: Anti-trans bigots get really pissed off at the phrase “pregnant people”. I guess they don’t like the idea of pregnant women being considered “people”.
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All “transgender women” are men self-identifying as women. There’s no therapist letter, fraudulent government ID, injection, pill, patch, or surgery, that converts a man into any type of woman; “transgender woman” always means self-identified: a woman by gender-faith, not fact.
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Man, at least say that trans people are trying to attack and dethrone God or some shit. Y’all transphobes only have two settings on the dial: “boring as fuck” and “we’re accidentally going to make trans people sound like a bunch of hardcore take-no-shit badasses”.
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I’m curious: if you consider “transgender women” to all be “men self-identifying as women,” do you consider all “transgender men” to all be “women self-identifying as a man?”
If you do, why did you call out one without the other? Is there something more abhorrently wrong to you about one than the other?
And is there some reason that you insist on equating gender and sex? It’s something easy to do in English, but in a conversation where others are taking the two as being very different things, it seems like an odd place to start without clarification.
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I’d wager that exclusion was done for much the same reason that a lot of anti-gay rhetoric focuses on gay men to the exclusion of gay women: It’s about an obsession with who has penises and how people with penises use that appendage. See also: The idea that teenage boys who get raped by older women are “lucky” while teenage girls who get raped by older men are “victims”.
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I would say the cishet male gaze has something to do with their queerphobia specifically targeting gay men and trans women. Cishet men fear Gay men because they fear being treated like they treat women, they fear trans women because they couldn’t live with themselves if the hot girl they were attracted to has a penis, and the idea that teenage boys who get raped by older women are “lucky” is because they fantasized about that as kids.
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I’d wager that exclusion was done for much the same reason that a lot of anti-gay rhetoric focuses on gay men to the exclusion of gay women: there is no such thing as a gay woman. Homosexual women are lesbians, and calling them gay does nothing except linguistically erase the existence of many gay trans men. A very peculiar thing to do if one is not anti-trans.
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What even is this comment?
“Gay women existing erases gay trans men”
“Also gay women don’t exist”
Very coherent position you have there. Obviously, identities aren’t erased by other identities existing; identities are erased by claims like “there is no such thing as a [insert identity here]”.
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Right, just like the use of the term ‘learning disabilities’ about people with intellectual disabilities didn’t lead to the linguistic erasure of people with learning disabilities such as dyslexia, nonverbal learning disabilities, etc. Thanks for telling us you’re transphobic, homophobic, and ableist.
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Age-old, mundane traditional sexism is the core of gender identity ideology — examining the history of PREA, the US federal law (Prison Rape Elimination Act) from 2003 aiming to curb sexual violence in prisons AND carving out special rights for “transgender” prisoners, you can feel the recoiling of male politicians repelled by male-on-male sex, & their disdain for men who can’t cut it as “real men” so (shrug) they might as well be women.
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True. Such ideology being engaged in by conservatives who can’t stand the fact that the world is always changing, often for the better.
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No. They were registered as male at birth, but their brains are wired such that their proprioception expects a female body that isn’t present, and so it throws up the same sort of discomfort (aside from pain) that happens when something is seriously wrong with your body, like a missing arm or a hyper-extended knee or something.
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Men can’t be women & pretending they can makes it logically impossible to recognize women as a sex class.
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Why?
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“Female” is a sex class; “woman” is a social construct.
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Actually, woman isn’t a sex class, it’s an identity class. Female is the sex class, and is a gender class too. That latter classification is how AMAB people can be female as well as women (and girls) despite all your denials.
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Still a strawman. Claiming trans women are women is not claiming that men can be women unless you believe that trans women are men. I don’t. I don’t believe they were ever men, just male, which is not the same thing.
“Women” is a gender class; “female” is a sex class. And no, it doesn’t. That it doesn’t make sense to you doesn’t make it logically impossible.
At any rate, none of this addresses anything I said. This is a non sequitur.
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Even if that were true, that’s certainly not the case in the UK, where socialized medical care gives many (not all) trans citizens the right to treatment.
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You most certainly have the confidence, defensiveness, and ability of a mediocre, middle aged, white man, stuck in the closet.
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Insisting that being female is a matter of self-identity is insulting to everyone’s intelligence (human sexual dimorphism is one of the most universally perceived facts, no formal education needed) & esp to women (we deal with, not choose, the genetic dice roll of being female).
Re: Re: Re:3 It’s ok to be gay herman
That is very notably not a denial bro.
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With that attitude, are you really dealing with it?
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No one said that. We’re talking about being a woman, and that does appear to be a matter of self-identity for practical purposes. Technically, it has to do with neurology, specifically proprioception, but that’s difficult to test while a person is still alive.
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Are you sure you’re not thinking of a different term? Proprioception has to do with movement and spatial awareness.
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Perhaps they were thing of the term ‘self-perception’ (which is important and trumps all) and just got confused.
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I’m actually not. Here is a paper discussing how proprioceptive dissonance can cause gender dysphoria and, thus, how proprioception is linked to gender identity.
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Nope; it is proprioception.
Basically, there is a mismatch between the brain’s mental map of the body and the actual physical state of the body, similar to phantom limb. This is called proprioceptive dissonance, and it can be (though is not necessarily) extremely uncomfortable, physically and/or mentally.
Specifically for trans people with this, each of their brains’ mental map corresponds with a person of the opposite sex than their bodies. This can actually be determined via tests that can be performed during an autopsy by comparing the parts of the brain responsible for proprioception in their brains with those of cisgender people.
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According to an online dictionary, it’s “a person whose gender identity does not correspond with the sex registered for them at birth.” It’s really not that hard to find this out, and it’s more-or-less exactly how I would have defined it.
Gender identity is every bit as factually, objectively real and definable as race, if not more-so given the fact that race doesn’t technically exist according to studies but studies have shown that gender identity is based on a real neurological phenomenon.
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FTFY. YW. 😉
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Quite frankly, it sounds like you shouldn’t be defining anything given you listed 3 things that very much describe the people that are enacting Transphobia rather than Trans people themselves.
Granted, it seems like you don’t understand the concept of definition. You point blank named a classification (the whole point of which is to clarify) for people and then said it was not definable.
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B person here. You can fuck all the way off.
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If the mandate is “Make exceptions to single-sex spaces to honor gender identities” then the fight isn’t about whether or not men deserve exceptions — it’s about whether women deserve separate spaces at all. When it comes to women-only spaces, exception = evisceration.
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I am unconvinced that restrooms have any reason to be single-sex spaces, but also, you’re wrong. There is zero evidence that your claim has any truth to it whatsoever.
Notably, most Western countries have unisex public restrooms, and they have not encountered any problems with that.
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One of those “Western countries” includes the US, telling by my experiences in some concert venues in NYC. Also, the Lower Manhattan Alamo Drafthouse movie theater has segregated public bathrooms, but they’re segregated by function: one bathroom for urinals, and the other for commodes (another name for stalls). Nobody has any problem there. People just accept it.
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I have one mandate.
It’s called “Hyman Rosen, sincerely fuck off, preferably into a punji pit”.
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This is UTAH. Where woman are viewed as 1/2 a human and where abuse and sexism have been defended for decades thanks to their “religion” aka cult.
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And I’ve known a few trans people in my time.
Yes, there’s always at least one asshole in any given social group/people group, but denying people the right to express themselves is not a path you want to walk on.
Unless all this is just a mask for transphobia, queerphobia, racism and eventually, anti-Semitism.
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A claim to be something is either an opinion (not falsifiable but also can’t mandate others hold the same opinion), or it’s a factual claim subject to being proved true/false.
“I Identify As” isn’t a magic incantation to covert an opinion into a fact nor make a false claim true.
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Oh that’s rich from a person who alternately identifies as not a Neo Nazi and alternately a a really stupid and badly transparent parody of a left wing troll to troll yourself with.
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Sometimes it’s the most practical way to determine the truth. It’s how we determine someone’s religion, after all. It’s not necessarily the most accurate way, but it can be the most pragmatic and isn’t terribly invasive or dangerous to perform. It’s also quick and easy.
That said, if you want an underlying fact for gender identity, it’d be proprioception. It’s basically the mental map of your body your brain has. It’s how you know where your hand is relative to the rest of your body without looking at it, and it’s what causes “phantom limb” syndrome as well as (partially) the discomfort teens have over the changes to their bodies during puberty. For trans women, their brains are wired so their mental map is for a woman’s body, and for trans men, their brains are wired so their mental map is for a man’s body. Since that isn’t what they are born with, their proprioception is unaligned with their body from birth, sometimes so strongly that it is severely, physically and emotionally uncomfortable for them unless they go through some level of medical transitioning, though not necessarily, and even if so, it doesn’t always require surgery.
The problem is that this is pretty difficult to objectively determine without relying on psychology or the person’s statement of self-identity while they’re still alive. It can be determined fairly objectively through an autopsy, though; that just doesn’t help us much with dealing with people who are still alive. As such, for most people in most situations, you’re probably better off just taking their word for it.
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Ah yes, Hyman.
I suppose psychology isn’t science too?
You really should just shut up.
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Ok groomer.
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Sir this is an Arbys.
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Once “gender identity” infects a discrimination law, nothing based on sex can remain: if a woman claims sex discrimination over some policy, it’s a claim from a person who “identifies as female.” Everyone is forced to act w/in a gender ideology framework; factual sex disappears.
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Sir I’m going to have to ask you to order food or please pull through and let other customers use the drive thru.
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And of course, transphobe could just as easily be a woman just like the Author_Who_must_Not-Be-Named and Sharron Davies.
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Not at all, and I have no idea why you would think that. It just doesn’t matter in most social contexts, but then it really shouldn’t, anyways. It should only matter to physicians, psychiatrists, scientific researchers, or someone you’re physically or romantically close to; maybe a few others (sports or prisons, maybe), but that’s about it. It shouldn’t matter what your physical sex is in the vast majority of scenarios in public spaces or for employment.
Also, outside of medical situations or matters of physical prowess, maybe, there really isn’t any time where discrimination based on gender identity isn’t okay where discrimination based on physical sex should be okay.
Your slippery slope has no logical or factual basis for it. It’s pure fearmongering based on nothing more than your own personal speculation.
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Re: Re: Re:3 'I was wrong, let me change that' vs 'I CANNOT be wrong, so reality is'
When a person’s beliefs, positions or statements clash with reality they are faced with one of two options, and which one they take tells you a lot about the sort of person they are:
1) Honesty and humility, where they admit that according to the facts available they were wrong and change their beliefs, positions or claims to align with the current available evidence.
Or…
2) Dishonesty and egotism, where they insist that reality is wrong since their beliefs, position or claims cannot be incorrect, and if the facts don’t currently support them they either lie and make up ‘evidence’ to support them and/or claim that it’s only a matter of time until evidence is presented that does, and until that point they’ll assert that they’re right anyway.
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See also: conspiracy theorists and conspiracy fantasists.
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Oh man, I remember this, that was great. But dammit Tim, you just made me lose the Game for the first time in about 12 years.
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This is what happens when you forget history desu.
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The only way to win The Game is not to play.
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I’m pretty sure that was the point 😉
Malicious Compliance
I think it is just as likely:
At some level, this becomes an implementation issue. That is, some programmer, some website developer gets tasked to create “a tip line for (something reprehensible)”. They’re given some vague specifications by someone who doesn’t know squat about making a website (that’s why they hire geeks, right?).
Thing is, programmers are, fairly often, liberal, tolerant beings. “Make a website for reporting things for intolerant folks?” Sure thing, boss. Let me make sure that everyone can submit crap to you. After all, I can point to the contract that says that everything I implemented, half-arsed or otherwise, is compliant. You have problems with what you got out of it? They’re your problems, not mine.
Now, if you wanted a secure website, you would have said this in the contract…
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I was just about to say this, but you said it better. 😉
Most developers know to secure a web form or Google cloud site, so I agree that the lack of security was probably done on purpose.
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Couple that with the fact that Trans Women make up a huge chunk of software programmers, and the transphobes’ dinner is the hand that is feeding them.
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That’s an interesting claim. In my experience, the number of trans women in software development is just slightly higher than trans women in the general population.
And it’s possible that the difference is just because it’s easier to be outspoken about who you are when you don’t have to physically interact with a bunch of people who are upset with the entire concept that you exist.
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My apologies, I meant “A huge chunk of Trans Women are Software Programmers”.
Either way, my point still stands.
Utah joins Florida and Texas as a state run by bigots. This episode clearly shows the IQ of these idiots. Although, to be fair, their belief in LDS showed their lack of IQ already.
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Eh, belief in LDS shows lack of IQ, whereas belief in (fill in the blank: a religion) shows something else? I think you overgeneralize. Belief in a particular religion is not a good metric for IQ, in my experience.
As far as being run by bigots goes, you’re not wrong. But it may also be that the politicians stumping for these causes are playing to what they think their base is, to ensure their next election rather than to create meaningful legislation.
And yeah, this is only after things like their social media bills came past. So there are a number of other states you could add, if you just get past “is bigoted” as your criterion. Louisiana. Wisconsin. Ohio (against their voters, yet!). Stupid legislation knows few bounds.
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I’d disagree with all points.
Reminder: When you are for absolute free speech, this is what you are supporting.
'Help us with our trans-bashing- I said trans-bashing, not bashing US!'
You know you’re the asshole in the room when people are rooting for the trolls filling your comment section with trash.
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Is it really more bigoted to separate by sex than by gender? Is bigotry anything we disagree with?
illegal aliens
We’re having problems here with illegal space aliens showing up in our country and attempting to use the rest rooms. That’s a problem as there are four or five genders on some of these planets, which means longer lineups for the facilities once these creatures show up here.
Just had to post that to the “tip line” website.
While I’m at it, I just found this snitch line to report illegal aliens, run by some nutcase trying to make cheap political points on immigration. I think I shall have to report my UFO sightings there too.
Damned foreigners and their flying saucers have no place in this God-fearing nation! America uber alles!
What was this post about again?
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Oh yeah … Utah Gov’t Leaned So Hard Into Confirmation Bias That Its Transphobic Snitch Form Became A Playground For Trolls
Seems a lot more people are living under bridges these days