The Murthy Arguments Went So Poorly For The States That The FBI Feels Comfortable Talking To Social Media Companies Again

from the reconnecting dept

How badly did the arguments in the Murthy v. Missouri case go for the states last week? So badly that the FBI has already re-established communications with social media companies that had stopped in light of the earlier rulings in that case.

The FBI has resumed some of its efforts to share information with some American tech companies about foreign propagandists using their platforms after it ceased contact for more than half a year, multiple people familiar with the matter told NBC News.

The program, established during the Trump administration, briefed tech giants like Microsoft, Google and Meta when the U.S. intelligence community found evidence of covert influence operations using their products to mislead Americans. It was put on hold this summer in the wake of a lawsuit that accused the U.S. government of improperly pressuring tech companies about how to moderate their sitesand an aggressive inquisition from the House Judiciary Committee and its chair, Jim Jordan, R-Ohio.

This is important for a few reasons. First, many people have widely misunderstood why and how the FBI was in touch with the social media companies throughout this discussion. I tend to agree with many people that contact between private companies and the FBI should be minimal and companies should always be wary of what the FBI wants.

But, there are times that it does make sense for the FBI to be in communication, which the oral arguments made clear.

Justice Amy Coney Barrett highlighted that there clearly are times when the FBI should be in contact with the platforms. Even the lawyer for the states, Louisiana’s Solicitor General Benjamin Aguiñaga, admitted that there were clearly cases where it would make sense for the FBI to send information to platforms, such as when there is a danger to someone, or a threat.

JUSTICE BARRETT: So the FBI can’t make –do you know how often the FBI makes those kinds of calls?

MR. AGUINAGA: And that’s why –and that’s why I have backup answer, Your Honor, which is, if you think there needs to be more, the FBI absolutely can identify certain troubling situations like that for the platforms and let the platforms take action.

But, thanks to the rulings in the lower courts, the FBI had stopped any kind of contact along those lines, for fear of violating the injunction. This is from last November:

The FBI told the House Judiciary Committee that, since the court rulings, the bureau had discovered foreign influence campaigns on social media platforms but in some cases did not inform the companies about them because they were hamstrung by the new legal oversight, according to a congressional official.

Again, it’s true that how close the FBI is with companies matters. We don’t want another scenario like with AT&T and federal intelligence apparatus, where they literally had employees embedded with each other. But, straight-up information sharing on foreign threats certainly seems reasonable.

And this is why it would still be nice if the Supreme Court drew the line in the proper place, distinguishing general information sharing about such things, and any sort of coerced pressure or threats directed at the social media companies regarding their policies or decision-making.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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There’s no functional premise for asserting that it’s unconstitutional for federal agencies to communicate with private businesses. That’s just batshit insane. The government couldn’t function, which may actually be the intent of your disingenuous assertion.

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andrea iravani says:

I am throwing my hat in the ring and announcing my candidacy to run for President of ALEC the American Legislative Exchange Council, where I will be in charge of the overwhelming majority of legislation in America, and can actually have a meaningful impact on the legislative process, unlike the electec political puppets that do not write or even read the legislation that they sign onto. Most of them are just habitual drunks, as everyone cn plainly see.

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andrea iravani says:

The FBI does not seem to be concerned with Washington DC policy that permits illegal aliens and foreign diplomats to vote for local elections.

It looks like the government is welcoming foreign election interference with open arms taking campaign contributions from foreign countries, companies, and foreigners, and by creating the world wide web, and by having the United Nations in America.

How do you think that America is so in debt? Most of the money is going to foreign countries.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Where do people get this completely delusional belief that “most of the money is going to foreign countries”? That’s like saying “Kentucky is the biggest state in America” — it not only isn’t true, it is impossible to see how someone might accidentally come to think it is true.

I guess maybe if you count all US military spending as “money going to other countries” (in the sense that we buy very expensive bombs and then drop them on foreigners), you could claim that most discretionary spending “goes to other countries”. That’s the best I can come up with.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

You stupid shitte they're sending FBI agents to people's home's over memes

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1773504632763166736

That is intimidation. It is a 1A violation. It is the kinda shite that happens in dictator states.

You are supporting fascism. (ironic, I know) The boldness of the FBI has nothing to do with the surety of their legal standing that’s the whole fuucking problem.

You’re a stupid assshole lying for tyrants. You will either live to regret your choice or berate those who saved you from it.

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MrWilson (profile) says:

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  1. Do you think this didn’t happen under conservative administrations?
  2. Do you have a source for the supposed memes being shared so the audience can decide if it was actually reasonable for Facebook to flag them?
  3. This is the FBI contacting a citizen because Facebook flagged their post, not because the FBI contacted Facebook first.
  4. The source is libsoftiktok, so there’s bound to be missing context or a false narrative being pushed or hyperbole being expressed.
Strawb (profile) says:

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You haven’t seen the post, Matty, so you don’t know what the “meme” actually consisted of.

Additionally, other reposts of this event mention that the woman had posted pro-Palestine messages, and given the emotions involved in that conflict, it’s not outside the realm of possibility that her post(s) were so inflammatory that it caused Facebook to contact the authorities.

In short, you don’t have the whole story, so shut up with the conspiracy theories until you do.

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