Ridiculous: Journalist Held In Contempt For Not Revealing Sources
from the underpinnings-of-a-free-press dept
Going way, way back, we’ve talked about the need for protection of journalistic sources, in particular the need for a federal journalism shield law. I can find stories going back about 15 years of us talking about it here on Techdirt. The issue might not come up that often, but that doesn’t make it any less important.
On Thursday, a judge held former CBS journalist Catherine Herridge in contempt for refusing to reveal her sources regarding stories she wrote about scientist Yanping Chen.
The ruling, from U.S. District Court Judge Christopher R. Cooper, will be stayed for 30 days or until Herridge can appeal the ruling.
Cooper ruled that Herridge violated his Aug. 1 order demanding that Herridge reveal how she learned about a federal probe into Chen, who operated a graduate program in Virginia. Herridge, who was recently laid off from CBS News, wrote the stories in question when she worked for Fox News in 2017.
In his ruling, Judge Cooper claims that he’s at least somewhat reluctant about this result, but he still goes forward with it arguing (I believe incorrectly) that he needs to balance the rights of Chen with Herridge’s First Amendment rights.
The Court does not reach this result lightly. It recognizes the paramount importance of a free press in our society and the critical role that confidential sources play in the work of investigative journalists like Herridge. Yet the Court also has its own role to play in upholding the law and safeguarding judicial authority. Applying binding precedent in this Circuit, the Court resolved that Chen’s need for the requested information to vindicate her rights under the Privacy Act overcame Herridge’s qualified First Amendment reporter’s privilege in this case. Herridge and many of her colleagues in the journalism community may disagree with that decision and prefer that a different balance be struck, but she is not permitted to flout a federal court’s order with impunity. Civil contempt is the proper and time-tested remedy to ensure that the Court’s order, and the law underpinning it, are not rendered meaningless.
But the First Amendment is not a balancing test. And if subpoenas or other attempts to reveal sources can be used in this manner, the harm to journalism will be vast. Journalism only works properly when journalists can legitimately promise confidentiality to sources. And that’s even more true for whistleblowers.
Admittedly, this case is a bit of a mess. It appears that the FBI falsely believed that Chen was a Chinese spy and investigated her, but let it go when they couldn’t support that claim. However, someone (likely in the FBI) leaked the info to Herridge, who reported on it. Chen sued the FBI, who won’t reveal who leaked the info. She’s now using lawful discovery to find out who leaked the info as part of the lawsuit. You can understand that Chen has been wronged in this situation, and it’s likely someone in the FBI who did so. And, in theory, there should be a remedy for that.
But, the problem is that this goes beyond just that situation and gets to the heart of what journalism is and why journalists need to be able to protect sources.
If a ruling like this stands, it means that no journalist can promise confidentiality, when a rush to court can force the journalist to cough up the details. And the end result is that fewer whistleblowers will be willing to speak to media, allowing more cover-ups and more corruption. The impact of a ruling like this is immensely problematic.
There’s a reason that, for years, we’ve argued for a federal shield law to make it clear that journalists should never be forced to give up sources. In the past, attempts to pass such laws have often broken down over debates concerning who they should apply to and how to identify “legitimate” journalists vs. those pretending to be journalists to avoid coughing up info.
But there is a simple solution to that: don’t have it protect “journalists,” have the law protect such information if it is obtained in the course of engaging in journalism. That is, if someone wants to make use of the shield law, they need to show that the contact and information obtained from the source was part of a legitimate effort to report a story to the public in some form, and they can present the steps they were taking to do so.
At the very least, the court recognizes that the contempt fees should be immediately stayed so that Herridge can appeal the decision:
The Court will stay that contempt sanction, however, to afford Herridge an opportunity to appeal this decision. Courts in this district and beyond have routinely stayed contempt sanctions to provide journalists ample room to litigate their assertions of privilege fully in the court of appeals before being coerced into compliance….
Hopefully, the appeals court recognizes how problematic this is. But, still, Congress can and should act to get a real shield law in place.
Filed Under: 1st amendment, catherine herridge, free press, journalism, journalist shield law, sources, yanping chen


Comments on “Ridiculous: Journalist Held In Contempt For Not Revealing Sources”
Agreed
Constitutionally guaranteed rights are not subject to interest balancing. Any of them.
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And yet they are. There’s freedom of speech but that doesn’t make defamation, slander, or some threats legal. There’s freedom of religion but that doesn’t mean someone (generally) can use controlled substances or sacrifice animals (or people) even if it is a plausibly part of and in pursuit of their religion. There’s freedom of assembly but assembly can be regulated for public safety and other interests.
I won’t even get into the second amendment and how controversial limiting firearms is.
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TBH, who needs a semi-automatic rifle to go hunting or protect one’s home, anyway?
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The courts say that these are the narrow exemptions to free speech when the constitution was made, but there is nothing in the first amendment about journalistic privilege, journalistic privilege is one that is based on statute.
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” there is nothing in the first amendment about journalistic privilege”
Not sure what was meant by ‘freedom of the press’.
Is this Journalistic Privilege something you do not agree with? What will you do about it, other than complain.
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The distinction is in doing harm. Your rights should have no limitations up until the point where you would cause harm to others.
So you could worship Satan, and extol the virtues of evil, but you may not sacrifice babies. That’s a very clear and distinct line.
What we’re seeing in politics these days, is an attempt to move that line.
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‘My right to swing my fist ends at your face’ as I’ve seen it put.
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I’ve heard fundamentalist preachers claim that earthquakes, hurricanes, wildfires, and so on are Divine retribution for society’s tolerance of sin. The idea of a petty god exacting retribution upon the innocent for the sins of the guilty in their midst is quite often the justification offered for policing private morality. (I claim that a god so petty is unworthy of worship.)
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Your rights end where mine begin.
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Lightning Strikes Twice
Catherine Herridge was in the news just last week on another suspicious matter. CBS fired her and seized all of her work files. They eventually gave them back to her, but it looks like the FBI got to CBS and convinced them to allow agents to rummage through her files to see if they could find a shred of evidence.
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Actually, Herridge was laid off among hundreds of other CBS employees as part of Paramount Global’s downsizing, but way to mischaracterize someone and add disinformation. Thank God for Section 230 protecting Techdirt being sued for the libel you just committed.
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> protecting Techdirt being sued
I meant preventing. *facepalms*
Re: lightning never strikes twice fallacy
It is a well known fact that lightning can and does strike the same place more than once.
the fbi is in contempt of court
“Chen sued the FBI, who won’t reveal who leaked the info.”
So jail the person in the fbi responsible for trying to keep the secret.
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The judge is taking a shortcut in the pursuit of doing just that, methinks.
I don’t see any reason why the ruling can’t be narrow on this issue? The First Amendment doesn’t protect against things like defamation, and I’m not sure why that can’t be extended to defamation laundered through a journalist.
Strict scrutiny is, in some sense, exactly a balancing test.
Seems like there’s a pretty obvious middleground, where a journalist can promise confidentiality unless you’re doing something like defamation that would void the confidentiality.
This seems close to a solution, although it seems like it misses the case where the journalist is legitimate and the source is misusing the whistleblower position.
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That would leave a giant hole for wealthy people and corporations to just claim they were defamed by an alleged leak in order to unmask the source, even if there isn’t actual defamation.
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Yeah, I don’t think it would be enough to simply claim defamation. They’d have to meet some bar to show that it was defamation, or very likely to be defamation, beforehand. Or show there was no public interest in the whistleblowing, or something.
It wouldn’t be perfect (that could be really hard to show, if you don’t know who did it), but it seems like it’d at least catch egregious cases
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Are you familiar at all with the reason SLAPP lawsuits both exist and why they are so effective? A rich person wouldn’t need to win the case in the short term, all they’d need to do is make it too expensive for the other person to continue to fight in the long term. The only way to prevent that would be to keep them from suing in the first place.
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A anti-SLAPP-style defense is actually what first came to my mind. It seems very similar
Anti-SLAPP laws seem like a pretty good model to follow for something like this. They don’t prevent people from suing in the first place, but they do set a standard that requires someone to show their case has merit and in a way that can’t be dragged out indefinitely
I’m not so sure
This sounds (to me, and I am no expert) like the judge in this case doesn’t actually want to go through with this either but feels their hands are tied by previous rulings. The pre-empting of levying the contempt fees makes me think this could be an effort to “legislate from the bench” and just go through historically established hoops to minimize appeal avenues in this case later on.
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an effort to AVOID “legislating from the bench”. I don’t log in so I can’t edit, sorry for the mistake.
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You can’t edit even if you log in, so you aren’t missing anything.
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Of course the site owner would find it “ridiculous” for a citizen to be held accountable by a Court of Law for their Obstinance.
Rules for thee, but not for Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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OF course BDAC finds the dumbest excuse to illiteratly lie about Techdirt.
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…illiteratly…
Of course Toom illiterately engages in hypocrisy.
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And you continue to prove my point as always, BDAC.
Unintended concequences..
Of course, the risk then becomes, if journalists broadly are immune to being compelled to give up their sources, then “ I got it from a source who I promised confidentiality” quicky becomes seen as shorthand for “I pulled something out of my ass”, and then leads to -the journalist- taking responsibility for a demonstrably false statement.
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No reputable journalist just pulls things out of their ass, and those that do can be sued for defamation just like anyone else. Chen has not attempted to sue Herridge on the grounds of defamation, she sued the FBI, DOD, DHS, and DOJ under the Privacy Act. There is no need for Herridge to reveal her sources, Chen should have gone to the relevant agencies to find out who they are.
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You’re blowing past the “if” there at the begining…
I’m pointing out that if shield laws don’t have a safety valve, then the unintended consequence is that more journalists will be sued directly over their reporting.
As it is, by suing the LBJ/IRT/4ST/USD/LSD, for privacy violations Chen has gone to the relevant agencies, and has come up empty. Coming at it from the other end is her next best hope.
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The solution is to hold the FBI in contempt, and send Christopher Wray and Merrick Garland to prison until they cough up the names. That the Court is too cowardly to do so is not a “lack of safety valve” or an “unintended consequence.” It is a deliberate action by the government to punish journalists who embarrass them.
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You’re leaving out Bill Barr and Jeff Sessions… Chen sued back in 2018, this case is a holdover from the Trump Adminstration
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The fake Russian dossier would like a word…
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“Quickly.”
How often does that happen? Because “quickly” has been and gone ages ago.
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Catherine Herridge is a cool chick.
I like how you left out the bit where this happened while she worked for Fox News and Fox is footing the bill for everything. Even tho she hasn’t worked for Fox for years, cuz they’re actually stand up people. Super unbiased, nonpartisan, middle-of-the-road of you.
This keeps on happening, with courts kneeling on journalists to give up sources, even tho they nearly always lose on appeal, it just seems to happen, forever.
Of course, the way more interesting story with Herridge lately is that CBS fired her (with a lot of others) despite her being a renowned star reporter (in the very old school sense, she’s not a “personality”, she just digs the dirt) and then seized all her files, including confidential informants, including from her time at Fox. This is not normal. Unlike normal employees a journalist’s notes are NOT usually considered property of the company. It too a really pretty intense showdown with the reporter’s union to resolve. Again, all of this is unheard of. (also the only time I’ve heard National Review cheering unions)
She was known to be investigating the Hunter/Joe Biden bribery thing, and the CBS News chief was friends with the Bidens so it could be a very clumsy attempt to quash that, but who knows it could be a whole list of stupid reasons, none of them innocent.
But you didn’t want to report on that, huh Masnick? It’d be friendly fire, make your side look bad. Waaaaaayyy more interesting tho.
You gaslighting, partisan hack,
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I honestly had no idea she worked for Fox News, nor does it matter. Unlike you, Matt, I don’t view things through a partisan lens, nor do I report based on partisanship. Where she worked is meaningless. She could have worked for any publication and this article would have been exactly the same.
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It matters a great deal, since this story she is being sued over was from when she worked at Fox News, Fox is footing the bill. It also has a LOT to do with why CBS seized her files.
It also shows, generally, your ignorance about the ecosystem you are commenting on. You should have known that. She is pretty famous, and was pretty famous as having worked for Fox News.
Please, I think you’ve lied quite enough.
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Says the partisan liar who regularly invent chicken-coops from a single stray feather.
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No. It does not even remotely matter to the underlying issue about forcing a reporter to reveal their sources. I don’t care who they work for. It’s irrelevant.
No reputable journalist just pulls things out of their ass, and those that do can be sued for defamation just like anyone else. Chen has not attempted to sue Herridge on the grounds of defamation, she sued the FBI, DOD, DHS, and DOJ under the Privacy Act. There is no need for Herridge to reveal her sources, Chen should have gone to the relevant agencies to find out who they are.
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Let us know when you come across a “reputable journalist” who hasn’t spread propaganda and/or misinformation for one regime or another at some point…
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"But the First Amendment is not a balancing test."
Mike will regret that he ever used those words, because this will be my new goto quote.
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Mike will regret the true thing he’s been saying for over a decade?
Weird!
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If you did, you’d just lie about it and say you said something different. That’s the playbook.
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Why do think he is acting like you? Projection?
As if journalism wasn't already struggling enough...
What could possibly go wrong with making talking to a reporter anonymously no longer an option since all it takes is one lawsuit to unmask a source? Why I can’t imagine that being used/abused by the rich and/or powerful to hide their actions both legal and illegal by making it too risky to expose them.
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I like how you left out the bit where this happened while she worked for Fox News and Fox is footing the bill for everything. Even tho she hasn’t worked for Fox for years, cuz they’re actually stand up people. Super unbiased, nonpartisan, middle-of-the-road of you.
This keeps on happening, with courts kneeling on journalists to give up sources, even tho they nearly always lose on appeal, it just seems to happen, forever.
Of course, the way more interesting story with Herridge lately is that CBS fired her (with a lot of others) despite her being a renowned star reporter (in the very old school sense, she’s not a “personality”, she just digs the dirt) and then seized all her files, including confidential informants, including from her time at Fox. This is not normal. Unlike normal employees a journalist’s notes are NOT usually considered property of the company. It too a really pretty intense showdown with the reporter’s union to resolve. Again, all of this is unheard of. (also the only time I’ve heard National Review cheering unions)
She was known to be investigating the Hunter/Joe Biden bribery thing, and the CBS News chief was friends with the Bidens so it could be a very clumsy attempt to quash that, but who knows it could be a whole list of stupid reasons, none of them innocent.
But you didn’t want to report on that, huh Masnick? It’d be friendly fire, make your side look bad. Waaaaaayyy more interesting tho.
You gaslighting, partisan hack.
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I like how you left out the bit where this happened while she worked for Fox News and Fox is footing the bill for everything. Even tho she hasn’t worked for Fox for years, cuz they’re actually stand up people. Super unbiased, nonpartisan, middle-of-the-road of you.
This keeps on happening, with courts kneeling on journalists to give up sources, even tho they nearly always lose on appeal, it just seems to happen, forever.
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Well you left out the bit that this “leak” happened under the Trump administration. And that Chen’s initial effort to find the leakers were stymied by that administration..
It’s not as if Trump didn’t practically make a policy of vilifying everything to do with China, regardless of the human cost.
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That actually doesn’t seem important at all, especially since the FBI was actively working against Trump.
Calling her “Ex-CBS reporter” without elaboration is just a very strange thing. She was a Fox news reporter for looooonnngg time, left for CBS (she probably isn’t a Trump fan, maybe CBS offered her more money, dunno), and then CBS promptly did her dirty.
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“the FBI was actively working against Trump.”
Isn’t it their job to investigate domestic criminal activity? I thought no one was above the law.
One does not get a pass simply because you have a title, we do not do monarchy, dictatorship crap here. If that is what you want, I suggest you move to a different country.
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Well it’s not their job to lie on warrant applications, for instance….
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Ah so the FBI that…
Working in sympathy with Trump’s Anti-China stance..
-Opened an investigagtion against Chen, that came up empty…
-Then leaked the material from the investigation to a pro-Trump News outlet…
… was “actively working against Trump”
BTW, I have a great deal for you on the Eiffel Tower, the Brooklyn Bridge, and some Swampland in Florida…
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Flawless logic there.
Circumstantial evidence == actively working against Trump
… and implies no one else is affected by any incompetence.
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The initial case was spawned in Trump’s anti-China policies,, and the leak certainly was at least in sympathy to them. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was directed from above, but there’s no clear evidence of that so far. I’m willing to grant that the failure of the leaker might be incompetence (or more likely self protection), but the idea that the FBI was acting from the start as part of an deep state Anti-Trump effort here, setting up a pro-Trump reporter to be screwed over, just don’t hold up, particularly when the instigating events were in furtherance of Trump’s anti-China policies.
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“deep state Anti-Trump effort here,”
Law Enforcement is supposed to ..
you know .. enforce the law.
Deep State here, I guess, refers to the ongoing effort of law enforcement, specifically the FBI, to ensure that our laws are followed, etc ….
Apparently some people think that enforcing laws upon “their people” is some sort of conspiracy. Must be an election year.
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Of course, the way more interesting story with Herridge lately is that CBS fired her (with a lot of others) despite her being a renowned star reporter (in the very old school sense, she’s not a “personality”, she just digs the dirt) and then seized all her files, including confidential informants, including from her time at Fox. This is not normal. Unlike normal employees a journalist’s notes are NOT usually considered property of the company. It too a really pretty intense showdown with the reporter’s union to resolve. Again, all of this is unheard of.
She was known to be investigating the Hunter/Joe Biden bribery thing, and the CBS News chief was friends with the Bidens so it could be a very clumsy attempt to quash that, but who knows it could be a whole list of stupid reasons, none of them innocent.
But you didn’t want to report on that, huh MM? It’d be friendly fire, make your side look bad. Waaaaaayyy more interesting tho.
You gaslighting, partisan hack,
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BTW, it was the name “Meesnick” (spelled correctly) that wouldn’t let this past the spam filter. I checked a few different ties and ways. Amazing.
If that’s on purpose, MM, it’s utter cowardice. If it’s by accident due to training, it’s super dumb.
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Weird, ‘cuz i see it right there. Cowardice wrt to what? lol
The problem here is that you’re dumber than a couple lines of code and a reference db.
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So, NOT “Meesnick”
How fuucking dumb are you?!?
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It’s not anyone’s fault you’re trying to shit in the spam filter.
Insurrectionist scum.
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She was known to be investigating the Hunter/Joe Biden bribery thing, and the CBS News chief was friends with the Bidens so it could be a very clumsy attempt to quash that, but who knows it could be a whole list of stupid reasons, none of them innocent.
Yeah, it must be a conspiracy. Every time you people fail to prosecute well…anyone, you revert to this deep-state conspiracy bullshit. Everyone else is so powerful, and you poor saps are just stuck with spamming horseshit and complaining about how everyone else must be wrong.
Meanwhile, the only people who end up in court, out of money, or sitting in jail are you ‘righteous whiners.’
How does it feel to be powerless to do anything, coupled with a life that centers around all of these complaints you’ve got?
Fucking pathetic you are.
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Sure buddy. Herridge is respected by basically everyone.
And taking the reporters notes is just never done.
Surprisingly often there’s a conspiracy.
Also, it’s not even a question that Biden took bribes. Just how much shitlibs can lie to themselves about it.
He’s had dementia for YEARS and y’all are lying to yourselves about that too. At this point he can barely walk in a straight line, doesn’t know where he is, which world leaders are still alive. Jesus. Your denials aren’t even interesting.
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Nor are your partisan delusions and conspiracy theories.
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“He’s had dementia for YEARS and y’all are lying to yourselves about that too.”
Agreed! It is about time you finally admitted it.
Donald Trump is losing his mind. No doubt about it. He is not capable of running his mouth, much less the country.
The GOP is backing a huge loser, huuuugge (hand wave)
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Certainly not what the polls say.
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None of that word salad changes a goddamn thing, especially this:
How does it feel to be powerless to do anything, coupled with a life that centers around all of these complaints you’ve got?
Despite all your blah, blah, blah, all of this shit amounts to absolutely fucking nothing, and I can damn near guarantee that no matter what, you’re going to be here whining about how persecuted you are, because that’s what do-nothing complainers do.
So keep crying in your pillow, jackass. It’s been nearly 4 years and all of this Biden bullshit is in exactly the same place as when you started it.
Limp dick.
Maybe not so ridiculous
Suppose some cops conduct an investigation into the activities of a naturalized person of color, as part of a generalized feeling of suspicion about people with that national origin. They cannot come up with evidence persuading the prosecutors that there was a crime. But the cops think the immigrant is guilty so they make public some information about the innocent immigrant to make that immigrant’s life hell. The way they do that is by providing it to a reporter who works for a racist news organization that stirs up hatred against immigrants of color, especially immigrants of that nationality.
So the immigrant sues for the violation of her right by the cops, The only way she can win her case is so identify the cops who deliberately violated her rights.
Do the cops get away with publicizing the information because they used a reporter to do it?
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No, they get away with it because such abuse is sadly all too common. And “protected”.
I’ve
I’ve been following Catherine Herridge’s career since TechDirt lambasted her for “Powerful ‘Flame’ cyberweapon tied to popular Angry Birds game”.
Why not?
Despite what the site owner would have you believe, journalists aren’t some protected class, and they’re not exempted from following the rules & regulations that govern the lives of us normal folks.
Going by the link at the end of the comment, I think you might be responding to a chatbot. I flagged it.
I did not say they are a protected class. But it is a protected job, as per the 1st Amendment, which deliberately calls out “freedom of the press.” And thus, anyone engaged in the process of journalism is protected, not as a special class, but as that role is protected.