South Korean Man Sentenced For Refusing Military Service, In Part Because He Plays PUBG

from the virtually-insane dept

Well, this is a new one for me. In all the stories we’ve done over the years on concerns over real life violence and violent video games, one point we’ve made over and over again is that people certainly can tell the difference between video games and real life. I, for one, abhor guns in real life. I also very much enjoy playing games in which I wield some of most vicious firearms known to virtual mankind as I save the day or some such nonsense. Those two stances are not remotely in conflict with one another, as should be obvious.

And, yet, in South Korea, one man has been sentenced to prison for refusing mandatory military service as a conscientious objector. Why? Well, part of the reason as outlined by the Supreme Court’s ruling is that he never really evangelized those beliefs anywhere, or joined pro-peace or non-violence organizations. And, hey, maybe some of that is valid, depending on how you feel about conscientious objectors generally. But what most certainly is not valid is that part of the logic behind the sentence rests on the fact that this man also played PUBG: Battlegrounds, a game about war.

“The defendant admitted that he frequently enjoyed playing the game ‘Battlegrounds,’ which is about killing characters with guns in a virtual reality,” the court added. “The video game is different from reality. But the fact that the defendant — who says he is rejecting military service based on his beliefs to oppose violence and war — enjoys such game makes the court question whether his conscientious objection is authentic.”

Try to map this reality anywhere else in the video game world and you will quickly see just how idiotic it is. I am terrified of space and would never get on a space ship. There’s simply too many ways to die out there. I also play Mass Effect and Starfield. How am I able to pull off such a complicated pretzel of logic? Well, it turns out that I can’t die in real life by playing those games. I don’t hate turtles. In fact, I quite like them. But I will stomp the shit out of every koopa troopa I meet in the Mario Bros. games I play with my children?

Is all of this hypocrisy? Only if you don’t understand either the meaning of that word or lack some understanding about the difference between entertainment and real life. And, yet…

The Supreme Court recently confirmed a sentence of one year and six months in prison for a South Korean man who refused his mandatory military service, after the court dismissed his claims of “being against all war and violence,” partly based on his avid playing of the battle royale game “PUBG: Battlegrounds.”

A year and a half in prison in part because someone likes to play video games in which war happens? It doesn’t seem like much can be done here, given that this is coming from South Korea’s Supreme Court, but it would at least be nice to see PUBG Studios come out with a statement criticizing this ruling.

Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have aliens I have lay down in front of because I don’t like real life violence.

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Uriel-238 (profile) says:

Your irregular reminder...

Drone operations teams have been tasked throughout the War on Terror with killing targets by way of remote control, typically launching Hellfire missiles on villages to annihilate persons of interest.

And in all of our drone-strike programs the turnover rate is extremely high, comparable, interestingly to the Einsatzgruppen of the German Reich who were tasked with massacring villages who were caught harboring Jews, Allied spies or other undesirables.

It turns out combat PTSD commonly affects soldiers tasked with killing others even when their own lives are safe from harm’s way. After all they still have to reconcile how they live with themselves in the aftermath.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Also on a slightly more hilarious tangent:

Your irregular reminder that video games do teach people things like, I dunno, how to fire a grenade launcher and the weakspots on a tank.

It’s not to distract or detract from the seriousness of the matter, but more “sometimes games can save lives”.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

This was my thought. Maybe the guy played PUBG and was bad enough that he knew he’d never survive such scenarios in real life? In other words, PUBG gave him the knowledge and experience he needed to conscientiously object to real life war and violence. Because he knew he’d be the victim, not the victor.

Wyrm (profile) says:

Re: Re: Teachings

No, I don’t know how to fire a grenade launcher even if I play CoD for hundreds of hours. I can’t just pick one up, then point and click at my target in real life.

What it does teach me though is that I’ll die many times if I step on a battlefield. Oh wait, I can only die once in real life, so let’s say more accurately that I’ll die within seconds if I ever step on a battlefield. Very likely from shooting the aforementioned grenade launcher the wrong way. 😀

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

To be fair, it was meant to be a reference to the Ukranians being able to do things despite playing games.

ie, “STALKER taught me to fire a grenade launcher” and “War Thunder taught me the weaknesses of the T-90 tank”.

It does not beat actually learning how to operate guns and whatnot, but was meant to be a funny aside…

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Well that's horrifying

Usually when you run across someone who can’t tell the difference between fiction and reality that’s a good sign that that person is in dire need of psychiatric help and counseling, yet it would seem all or at least most of south korea’s supreme court suffers from that serious mental impairment.

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Wyrm (profile) says:

Re: Worse yet...

Actually, the worst part of the judgement is that they acknowledge that there is a difference between fiction and reality.

The video game is different from reality.

But they then willfully ignore the distinction. It’s not mental impairment, it’s outright malice.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Games teach you war is a very bad idea

I stormed up that beach a thousand times before I got to any serious cover up by the sand bank. That really shoved it down your throat that they were very brave and I could not do it. Same with War Thunder, love it, but would never get in a tank.

Anonymous Coward says:

So vegetarians can’t play Minecraft or WoW because they need to kill pigs or boars. Or non LSD consumers to play Mario Bros because they need to absorb stars to become invisible. At least, there still Sonic for ecologists, were we free small animals captured by Dr Robotnic at the end of the first levels.
Maybe players should less play at the game called “Life” because bullshits are against their beliefs.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Why stop at video games? A lot of these same mechanics appear in board games, TV shows, movies, stories, music. The logical conclusion of this decision is to effectively remove the option for conscience objection from anyone who has engaged in any modern or historical culture at all. I’m willing to bet there is at least one historical legend or two about brave soldiers of times gone.

Anonymous Coward says:

We obviously don’t know the whole story here.
There’s the possibility that this guy really isn’t a conscientious objector. While the ruling said “he never really evangelized those beliefs anywhere, or joined pro-peace or non-violence organizations”, it doesn’t specify when he claimed to be a conscientious objector, either. If he didn’t say he’s a conscientious objector until it was time for his mandatory military service, that does make his claim suspicious. Doesn’t mean he lied, and he may very well be telling the whole truth, but if he waited till the last minute to make the claim then it sure does make it questionable.
But we don’t have all the details to claim one way or the other.

Anonymous Coward says:

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If he didn’t say he’s a conscientious objector until it was time for his mandatory military service, that does make his claim suspicious.

Whom should one tell, and when? Should this person have written so at age 12 in registered mail to the military and courts?

I object to war too. I’m not sure I’ve ever told anyone before now, because why would I have? It’s not something that’s ever affected my part of the world in my lifetime. Should I be trying to worm this topic into everyday conversations, just in case? Am I supposed to join an official group for every viewpoint I hold?

What does it even mean to “really” be a conscientious objector? This seems like the same type of bullshit courts sometimes apply to find out whether someone really holds a “religious” objection to some law (for example, some countries allow anyone to bring a sharp knife onto a plane simply by claiming to be Sikh, whereas anyone else would be given the third degree having to “justify” the belief). In my view, conscience is a private matter, not something that needs to be legitimized by belonging to popular groups.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Should I be trying to worm this topic into everyday conversations, just in case?

Up next: if you’re a British person who’s not paying the BBC license fee, and you’re not one of those people who constantly mention how you don’t watch TV, they’ll be coming for you. Be ready to show them a membership card for an anti-BBC or anti-TV organisation.

HotHead (profile) says:

Does the law have common sense, judges?

A. I play a war game in which my side is not my country. Do I hate my country, judges?

B. I play a sci-fi game in which I perform unethical experiments on other characters. Do I support unethical experiments, judges?

C. I play a fantasy game in which I own humanoid slaves. Do I support slavery, judges?

D. I play a dystopia game in which the premise is that my character willingly accepts a brain parasite or a brain chip. Do I want a chip in my brain, judges?

E. I play a religious game in which I exorcise demons with crosses. Am I Christian, judges?

Analog says:

This makes a bit of sense to me in the context of South Korean conscription.

Everyone must serve, no deferments for the rich or famous or highly educated. There are some select criteria that allow you to refrain from serving, mainly religious and having a philosophical disagreement with the use of violence.

The whole of Seoul is within artillery range, there would be mass casualties if the North ever attacked in force.

This person was clearly not so morally repulsed by violence in all forms, they enjoyed digital violence as a pastime.

Then why should this person be able to claim that their moral aversion to violence makes it impossible for them to serve along the vast, vast majority of fellow Koreans.

That One Guy (profile) says:

Re:

If you are struggling to tell the difference between fictional violence where it can be as gory as you can imagine and not a single real person dies versus actual violence where maiming and/or death are not only real but you can’t just reload a save to undo that sounds like a ‘you’ problem, and one you might want to see a professional about.

Nuttin says:

Meh

This is a tough cookie, considering the geography. The kind of pressure and mandate on the average Korean household, I would imagine doing anything outside the box would be deemed criminal in Korea. No different than how the right see the left in the west, but hey its just dynamics right. At least I don’t go door to door waving a gun around or shower with raining bullets.

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