California Cops Now Have To Lead With The Pretext When Making Pretextual Stops

from the do-YOU-know-why-you-pulled-me-over? dept

A law passed last year has now taken effect in California. This attempt to limit pretextual stops and biased policing means California law enforcement officers will no longer be able to start every traffic stop with an impromptu Q&A session. They’ll have to get right to the point.

Here’s what the law says:

(a) A peace officer making a traffic or pedestrian stop, before engaging in questioning related to a criminal investigation or traffic violation, shall state the reason for the stop. The officer shall document the reason for the stop on any citation or police report resulting from the stop.

And this is what it would look like in practice, as stated late last year by a California law enforcement official:

“This is instead of the officer asking a driver, ‘Do you know why I pulled you over?’” LAPD Captain Steven Ramos told the commission. “Now, the onus is on the officer to tell the individual why they pulled them over.”

Which is the way it should always be everywhere. That question has always been stupid. You pulled me over. You tell me. It’s not a serious question.

If the LAPD official seems receptive to this change, it’s probably because the LAPD has already made steps to limit pretextual stops by requiring something more than “let’s go on a fishing expedition!”

Under a policy approved in March, officers must have a reason to suspect a more serious crime is afoot before initiating a pretext stop, and they are required to record their reasoning on body camera before the stop.

[…]

The change appears to be having the intended effect. A Times analysis of LAPD records has found that in the months since the new policy went into effect, officers are stopping far fewer people for the minor violations that can mark the start of pretext stops and are conducting fewer searches during those stops.

Go figure. Requiring cops to actually suspect something before engaging in a stop results in fewer stops, fewer searches and… more contraband. According to the data, LAPD officers have seen a slight uptick in discovered contraband since the policy change, which suggests the quality of stops may be increasing despite the number of stops over small violations dropping from 21% to 12% of all stops.

The LAPD’s policy requires officers to tell people why they’ve pulled them over and document that on their body-worn cameras. This new law basically codifies that policy and expands it statewide.

Of course, there’s an exception.

Subdivision (a) does not apply when the officer reasonably believes that withholding the reason for the stop is necessary to protect life or property from imminent threat, including, but not limited to, cases of terrorism or kidnapping.

That loophole will need to be monitored closely. It can’t possibly be closed, given the reality of law enforcement. Suggestions abound — some tied to other traffic/pedestrian stop reporting mandated by the same law. But the way forward is still unclear.

It’s not clear who would decide whether an officer’s refusal to disclose the basis for a stop was reasonable; a state board has been considering regulations to require officers to tell their superiors, and the state, why they believed full disclosure would endanger them.

They’d better come up with some good excuses. It’s no longer a matter of breaking policy. This sort of thing is now literally breaking the law.

And, of course, law enforcement unions are against this, even if they can’t seem to muster coherent counterarguments.

In opposition, the California State Sheriffs’ Association argued that “traffic stops can be among the most dangerous types of interactions that peace officers encounter” and they should remain free to take immediate action without first explaining their reasons.

So… the union thinks cops can’t state the reason for the stop into their recording devices during the time it takes to exit the car and walk up to the stopped car? There’s absolutely no logic to this statement. If it’s a guns-out stop, it isn’t pretextual. This law is intended to limit pretextual stops and that’s what it will do. The CSSA’s argument is one of pure desperation — the kind made by people who firmly believe law enforcement should be treated as a law unto itself, answerable to no one.

This is a good thing and should be copied by more states. It will increase the quality of stops, deter exploratory stops and searches, and force officers to focus on serious crime, rather than poorly lit plates or dangling air fresheners. If traffic stops are truly “among the most dangerous types of interactions,” anything that reduces the number of stops is bound to increase officer safety, right? I mean, that’s what the union rep said. Better stops, more production, and a whole lot less hassle is going to work out better for everyone.

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Uriel-238 (profile) says:

Take a page from customer service maybe?

You were driving about ten miles an hour faster than the rest of traffic. Is there anything you think I should know before processing a citation?

Language like this would offer both an opening for circumstances (a passenger in labor, help I’m being carjacked, a critical flight connection)

Frankly, I never understood why the question was asked, since the equivilant of a robber asking are there any other valuables in your car?

EpAny behavior that extends engagement with law enforcement elevates risk of loss of life. They’re not there to help, even with the carjacker.

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davec (profile) says:

So they have eliminated the first 2 secs of a traffic stop.

“Do you know why I stopped you?”
“No”

It now starts at

“Your taillight is out.”

I’m not against it, I just don’t see it as a big win for anyone.
On the plus side, if the law results in fewer stops that benefits the police officers. If on the other hand, there is a huge drop in stops, criminals may feel it safe to have their guns and drugs with them in their cars.

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davec (profile) says:

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But Dems love crime, and California is the holy land for crime-loving, commie Dems!

Dems in California don’t ask the people what they want, they just do it. Kevin de Leon who grew up in Tijuana and now represents East LA decided California should be a Sanctuary state, so the California Dems voted it in without ever asking their citizens.

Since the Sun and everything under it is racist. It is no wonder that Kevin is also a racist.
LA City Council leaked audio: Anti-Indigenous comments about Oaxacans spark renewed push for change – ABC7 Los Angeles
https://abc7.com/los-angeles-racist-audio-racism-in-la-city-council-anti-indigenous-groups-southern-california/12352937/

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Dems in California don’t ask the people what they want, they just do it.

So do the Republicans in California.
So do both parties in all states in the union.
So do both parties in the US congress.

The vast majority of legislation is created by legislators, most often with input from the citizens (which you seem to overlook). What part of that process do you have a beef with?

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davec (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2

Explaining democracy to davec is like explaining nuclear physics to a rock.

In a democracy we would all get to vote, but since we are a republic our representatives vote for us. The problem in California is that the dems have so overwhelmed the legislature there is no debate or discussion simply dictates that we are supposed to follow even if those dictates are at cross purpose to federal law.
BTW I did study nuclear physics when I was in the Navy’s nuclear power program.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

The problem in California is that the dems have so overwhelmed the legislature there is no debate or discussion simply dictates that we are supposed to follow even if those dictates are at cross purpose to federal law.

The highest murder rate in CA is in a congressional district represented by a republican.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

“there is no debate”

GOP members are unable and/or unwilling to debate, they tend to raise their voices over that of others in a weak attempt at dominating the discussion to the point of obliterating the opposing views from view. They also are unable and/or unwilling to negotiate.

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Mamba (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Jesus fuck you ignorant twit, try reading a book to educate yourself rather than collecting your ‘knowledge’ from mouth breathers. But, hoping against all prior evidence, perhaps you’ll learn something today: There’s direct democracies, which we practice in the form of referendums, and representative democracies, which we practice by electing legislators, senators, and representatives. Notice that both are a form of democracy. Republic means we don’t have a monarchy, and instead elect leaders. Which means we’re also a republic.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/democracy-vs-republic/

Did you ever study political science when you were in school? Maybe you should start there.

The most liberal technician I ever worked with came from the Navy Nuke program. Go figure.

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

In a democracy we would all get to vote, but since we are a republic our representatives vote for us.

So you’re unfamiliar with the fact that there are different kinds of democracies? We are a republic, but we are also a representative democracy. What you’re speaking of is a direct democracy.

The problem in California […]

Your objection to the term “democracy” is even worse with regards to California, where there are several things that come from direct democracy, including ballot initiatives (which includes constitutional amendments as well as laws), referendums (ditto), and recalls.

The problem in California is that the dems have so overwhelmed the legislature there is no debate or discussion simply dictates that we are supposed to follow even if those dictates are at cross purpose to federal law.

I could say the same about Republicans with Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, etc. At least with California, the number of California state legislators who are Democrats is a lot closer to being proportional to the number of residents there who are Democrats than the number of state legislators in many red states who are Republicans are to the number of residents there who are Republicans.

BTW I did study nuclear physics when I was in the Navy’s nuclear power program.

I don’t believe anyone suggested you were incapable of learning nuclear physics. They were (hyperbolically) comparing teaching you about democracy to teaching a rock about nuclear physics. One could teach a non-human ape how to use some form of sign language, but teaching one how to vocally speak English would still be like teaching a rock to use sign language despite the fact that the ape in question might actually be able to “speak” using sign language.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

“Dems in California don’t ask the people what they want, they just do it.”

It would be a good idea to ask the voting public to choose one thing over another periodically, how would you pick the top things to vote on? Would there be a limit on the total quantity?

We should vote on the issues, not the personality. Personality is cult like and lies with impunity, these are not qualities of a governor.

Anonymous Coward says:

i’m shocked that actual effective stops and contraband seizures have increased when they aren’t busy creating haystacks in which to search for nonexistent needles, and spending exhorbitant amounts of time trying to make damn sure they find a needle somewhere, somehow.

i wonder how many people who transport contraband and possibly driving poorly have avoided notice due to cops being extraordinarily busy making pointless, rights-violating work for themselves.

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