Utah Governor Absolutely Positive That Social Media Harms Kids Despite Study After Study After Study After Study After Study Saying He’s Wrong
from the do-we-believe-your-kids-or-the-study-looking-at-a-million-kids? dept
Okay, look, at this point, we need to start calling out those in positions of power who insist that it’s unquestionable that social media is harmful to kids when the don’t present any evidence at all to back up those assertions. Because as we’ve been documenting, every single study that comes out these days seems to say the exact opposite. I know that I’ve posted this a few times lately, but I’m going to do so again, because it’s important to understand just how the research consensus is shaping up these days:
- In the fall of 2022, the widely respected Pew Research Center did a massive study on kids and the internet, and found that for a majority of teens, social media was way more helpful than harmful.
- In May of 2023, the American Psychological Association (which has fallen for tech moral panics in the past, such as with video games) released a huge, incredibly detailed, and nuanced report going through all of the evidence, and finding no causal link between social media and harms to teens.
- Soon after that, the US Surgeon General came out with a report which was misrepresented widely in the press. Yet, the details of that report also showed that no causal link could be found between social media and harms to teens. It did still recommend that we act as if there were a link, which was weird and explains the media coverage, but the actual report highlights no causal link, while also pointing out how much benefit teens receive from social media).
- A few months later, an Oxford University study came out covering nearly a million people across 72 countries, noting that it could find no evidence of social media leading to psychological harm.
- The Journal of Pediatrics published a new study in the fall of 2023 again noting that after looking through decades of research, the mental health epidemic faced among young people appears largely due to the lack of open spaces where kids can be kids without parents hovering over them. That report notes that they explored the idea that social media was a part of the problem, but could find no data to support that claim.
- In November of 2023, Oxford University published yet another study, this one focused specifically on screen time, and if increased screen time was found to be damaging to kids, and found no data to support that contention.
That’s not to say there isn’t some sort of mental health crisis going on these days. Almost every expert believes there absolutely is. It’s just that the rush to blame it on social media is simply unsupported by the data. If anything, as the Journal of Pediatrics study shows, it’s the lack of open spaces where kids can be kids without parents watching their every move (which predates the rise of social media) that may contribute the most to the rise in mental health issues among children. Thus, the simplistic, and almost certainly wrong, argument that social media is to blame may even make the problem worse, because social media has become the one place left where kids often can just be kids without parents hovering over them.
Much of the research above — including the APA and Surgeon General’s report — also find that for many teens, social media is actually very useful and helpful for their mental health, in giving them a place to explore, figure out who they are as a person, and to interact with people beyond the narrow set of folks they might meet otherwise.
However, many of the studies also agree that for a small — but still important — group of teens, social media can exacerbate existing mental health problems, when they seek to use it alone as a kind of medication, allowing them to go deeper. And it’s quite clear that we should be looking for, promoting, and encouraging efforts to help those at risk teens, and provide better tools and resources for them.
But that’s very different from insisting (and regulating) social media as if it is universally bad for kids.
That’s all preamble to what this post is actually about. Utah Governor Spencer Cox has already made it clear he hates social media. He signed one of the first bills in the country that (unconstitutionally) tries to ban kids from social media, and mocked those who pointed out it was unconstitutional (we’ll soon find out, as Utah was just sued over that law).
So, I guess it shouldn’t be much of a surprise when he goes on TV and claims that he’s absolutely positive social media is bad for kids.
“I think it’s obvious to anyone who spends any time on social media or has kids — I have four kids. I’ve seen what’s happened to them as they’ve spent time on social media, and their friends, that this is absolutely causing these terrible increases, these hockey stick-like increases that we are seeing in anxiety, depression, and self-harm amongst our youth,” Cox, the chair of National Governors Association, said during an interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” that aired Sunday.
Now, if Meet the Press were actually concerned about accuracy, its host might have, you know, pointed out all the studies that say otherwise, and questioned Cox on how his anecdotal insistence can possibly stand up to all of those studies. But, that’s not how the mainstream media acts these days (and especially not those that have a vested interest in slamming the internet).
Cox went even further, though, insisting not only does it harm kids (despite the evidence to the contrary), but also that big tech knows this and doesn’t care:
“They know this is harming our kids,” Cox said of big tech companies. “They’re covering it up. They’re doing everything possible to take advantage of our kids for their own gain. And we’re not going to stand for that. And so we’re still pushing forward.”
Now, it’s always possible that some companies are doing this, but from what I’ve seen, the opposite is true. The research that has come out to date has shown companies studying this stuff in order to figure out ways to minimize the harm.
Of course, with some of the spin on things like Meta’s internal research (which, again, was to look at ways to minimize any harm), which was falsely portrayed as Meta “covering up” or “ignoring” harm caused to kids, it’s actually now going to drive these companies to do less research, and do less to stop any harms. Because politicians like Cox, and media outlets like NBC, are still going to spin any such research as “proof” of “covering it up.”
The whole thing is stupid beyond belief. The evidence shows what the evidence shows, and it’s that right now there’s a giant moral panic going on. There is no evidence that social media is inherently bad for teenagers. There is a ton of research suggesting it’s helpful for most kids, and that any interventions should be clearly targeted to the small group of at risk kids.
But, Spencer Cox is absolutely positive he’s right, apparently because of what he has observed with a tosample size of his own kids. Maybe, given all of these studies, it suggests that Cox has been spending so much time raging about culture war moral panics when he could have, you know, taught his kids how to use the internet properly.
Notably, the other guest on that episode of Meet the Press was the governor of Utah’s neighbor to the east, Governor Jared Polis from Colorado. And despite the GOP constantly insisting it’s the party of “parents’ rights” and “keeping government out” of everyone’s business, it’s Polis who argues that Cox is doing the opposite, and suggests he (correctly) thinks these are issues that parents themselves should deal with:
“I think the responsibility belongs with parents, not the government,” Polis, the vice chair of the NGA, said during the joint interview with Cox.
“I certainly agree with the diagnosis that Governor Cox did, and I have some sympathy for that approach. But I do think at the end of the day, the government can’t parent kids,” he added later.
Polis is still wrong regarding the diagnosis. The evidence pretty clearly says that. But he’s correct that this is an issue for parents and schools, not for the government to step in and effectively ban children from the very social media that many of them find so useful.
Filed Under: anxiety, colorado, depression, evidence, jared polis, mental health crisis, protect the children, social media, social media bans, social media harms, spencer cox, teens, utah
Comments on “Utah Governor Absolutely Positive That Social Media Harms Kids Despite Study After Study After Study After Study After Study Saying He’s Wrong”
And of course, adults never do this.
One thing’s for sure: This cannot have anything whatsoever to do with the fact that the world is shit and on fire.
I’m just finished reading a relative old sci-fi novel by Verner Vinge called A Fire Upon the Deep. It won the Hugo in 1993 for best novel. What’s really interesting is that even then, social media (which reflects 90s USENET newsgroups more than what we see today) is referred to as the “Net of a Million Lies”. People see social media as a way to influence others, and truth is never a barrier to those wanting to do so.
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This might be a YMMV scenario. I’ve had a lot of discussions with other people who hung out on BBSs and newsgroups and IRC channels back in the day and most seem to agree that it was a very different experience compared to modern social media. There was more anonymity if you wanted it. There was significantly less focus on lifestyles and following particular people and there were virtually no graphics or photos. There were no ads or corporate engagement. The few side hustles present involved people selling niche products or services that weren’t a main purpose of the activities. Often times it took the form of just offering to send an online friend something you didn’t need anymore rather than an actual attempt to make real money. The learning curve was high enough that you needed some amount of skill or a friend with enough skill to get connected and navigate command line interfaces and inevitable technical issues. Interactions seemed more authentic because you could be yourself because you were talking to people you’d most likely never meet in real life. And you often couldn’t stay as connected as you wanted because you were billed per minute depending on the service or your family members wanting to use the phone meant you could only use it at certain times of the day.
Could it he is the cause of their problems by being over authoritarian, and control everything that they do?
Ummm, it’s Utah! I lived there for a couple of years, but I’ve since recovered.
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I’m sorry you had to suffer by living there. One reason (out of many) why I’m so gung-ho about #Landback is because Utah would be better if it were in control by its indigenous population. White people fucked up this country.
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Kiss me you fool!
saw this today on the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/05/metaverse-sexual-assault-vr-game-online-safety-meta
Alas, the Guardian is much given to “musk + zuckerberg et al are creeps, so no need to actually research, or use facts in place of sexond or third hand recieved opinion. Everyone knows that the creepy men do creepy, harmful things to children, Ask any columnist!”
“Okay, look, at this point, we need to start calling out those in positions of power who insist …”
no, we need to call out the flawed political system that puts wrong-headed people in government power positions.
social media stuff is just a trivial example — such arrogant government officials routinely do major damage on a host of really big issues.
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Unfortunately, calling out people who vote for Republicans tends to make those people more adamant about voting for Republicans.
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Perhaps, but if they’re going to vote for the either-we-rule-or-we-burn-it-down party the least they deserve is to have their choice and it’s results made clear so they can’t pretend otherwise.
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Cant See The Forest
The researchers are probably just measuring it wrong. They’re trying to quantify things like depression or anxiety. In actuality, the modern degenerate culture IS the disease. And social media is the vector through which kids are exposed, before they have an opportunity to build up some immunity.
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Prove it!!!
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Found the Nazi.
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I knew “degenerate” sounded familiar!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_art
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Someone is upset that recruiting is down for their Waffen SS cosplay group!
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Spoken like a true dumbass.
“This doesn’t align with my world view, so the experts who know WAY more than me about it are probably just wrong”.
JFC.
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Which is one of the reasons that authoritarian rule is a disaster,those on top decide the answers those below will give them.
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Nothing more degenerate than worshipping sexual predators like Trump and Musk
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Can the commenter name a generation where a segment of the olds didn’t get a case of the vapors over “the modern degenerate culture”
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I am NOT going to dig through the fossil record to find an example.
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This comment almost even sounds reasonable — if one doesn’t take at least a few seconds seconds to think about the “argument” being presented.
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I mean, if you define “harm” to include “exposure to ideas I [Koby] dislike”, then I guess you could say that social media is “harming” kids. That argument is circular, though, and it’s not what Cox is saying the harm is.
Also, the 1A prohibits the government from being involved in that.
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We don’t deny the experts may get it wrong sometimes. But the overwhelming evidence as it stands right now points to… the opposite of what you are claiming.
Koby, thanks for confirming you’re a Nazi.
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Actually, social media is the vaccine that protects people in adulthood.
Its the dungeons and the dragons that make them worship satan, we’ve seen it.
I saw goody smythe dancing with the devil in the forest!
The teddy bear will make little girls unable to be mothers!
Paper will harm childrens skill with a slate & chalk!
Y’all say I’m crazy but it is really hard to not see how this is yet another round of ‘Your kids are fucked up, but its not YOUR fault’.
It’s really sad that humanity has devolved to it doesn’t matter if it is true, as long as it says it is not my fault.
Social media is a tool, you can use it for good or evil.
Corporations aren’t evil, they just want to make money.
If you expect a corporation to protect your child, you should not reproduce.
We don’t drop kids in cars & let them start driving without lessons, training, horrible films (Blood on the Highway in Technicolor!!)… but so many parents put phones worth thousands into their kids hands with a direct link to the entire connected world and just assume someone else will take care of teaching their kids that the person messaging them asking for nudes might not be a movie star.
Your kids, your responsibility.
The joke used to be you can’t ban steak because a baby might choke on it, but we can’t ban steak because people like meat & if you gave your baby steak it is your own damn fault.
Corporations do shady things, shocking I know.
But somehow you think governmental rules will make them behave and raise your kids for you?
Utah is going about this all wrong
The real way to keep kids off of social media is to make it required and establish minimum post quotas.
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Just get their parents on the platform. Once a social media platform becomes Fogeytown, the kids beat feet on their own.
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Addiction is good for kids it seems.
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ok troll
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Yeah, kids should being joining the football team to get healthy doses of toxic masculinity and chronic traumatic encephalopathy!
Why are you still pretending Republicans believe their own words?
Its gonna take
A LOUD MOUTHED Religious person declaring the truth, as THEY see it.
To get 1/3 of the USA to Start to understand it.
“They know this is harming our kids,” Cox said of big tech companies. “They’re covering it up. They’re doing everything possible to take advantage of our kids for their own gain. And we’re not going to stand for that. And so we’re still pushing forward.”
..and somehow, despite all this gloom, doom, harm occurring, coverups, and whatnot, his solution is to ban social media, rather than arrest the parents who are knowingly putting their children in danger.
Maybe getting CPS active in cases where parents complain about social media is the answer. After all, how does a 12-year-old afford an iPhone and an access connection to the Internet at that age? If the parents are paying admission to these dens of horror and exploitation then exactly what does that say about them as parents?
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half right if only you weren’t a troll and saying the internet is always bad
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Thanks for the insight, you insignificant twat.
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wow nice come back
When we looked at the data we were surprised...
Is the cause of his children being f-ed up social media or the fact that he insisted they all monitor his porn usage?
Well, the guv didn’t have social media when he was a kid, and he turned out alright! (/s)
Every accusation a confession
“They know this is harming our kids,” Cox said of big tech companies. “They’re covering it up. They’re doing everything possible to take advantage of our kids for their own gain. And we’re not going to stand for that. And so we’re still pushing forward.”
I mean, the accusations are correct, just not about the groups he’s aiming them at…
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You’re linking studies done by Facebook? How dumb can you be? And studies that just survey actual teens? Like they would know whether it is harming them.
Jesus lord.
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ok troll hows your revenge porn
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Which study was done by Facebook? Because none of the ones listed were.
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Two studies by Oxford University, one by Pew Research, one by the US Surgeon General, one by the APA and one published in the Journal of Pediatrics.
Where’s the Facebook study?
How do you think you find out how teens are doing, if not by asking them? Since you seem so knowledgeable on the subject.
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You're just making things up again.
There’s a TON of studies showing SM is harmful for children. Whether that’s something government should worry themselves about is a different question.
Now, sociology isn’t really a science and you can kinda find “studies” saying whatever you want and none of it is replicable, but still this is another example of you cherry-picking data and essentially just…..lying?
Government definitely didn’t try to censor by proxy, right? Except for all those court documents and indeed court decisions saying they did.
I think it’s pretty clear SM isn’t great for adults nor society except that it has the nice effect of making journalists, tech bloggers and especially “Fact checkers” increasingly relevant, so community notes FTW, I guess.
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Bratty Matty makes bold claims, fails to back them up as usual since he is allergic to actual facts.
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Well then you should be able to us references to such studies carried out by reputable institutes. Failing that I will use Occam’s razor and assume you are inventing facts to suite you narrative.
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Then you should be able to point out a few, no?
Note that in my post I didn’t just pick rando studies. I picked well respected, well established organizations, and many of the studies are actually “meta studies” look through all the research.
This includes the American Psychological Association, the Journal of Pediatrics, and Oxford University. These aren’t random academics.
But, come on, I’m sure you can find equally prestigious publications who have said otherwise, since you claim it’s so easy.