NY Post: Emails Show DHS Censored Speech! Actual Emails: Show Exactly The Opposite

from the is-everyone-taking-crazy-pills? dept

Look, I get that Rep. Jim Jordan is going to just keep on Jim Jordaning up the joint, and making statements that are blatantly untrue in an effort to chill speech he doesn’t like. But, for fuck’s sake, the media doesn’t need to repeat it. Of course, in this case, “the media” is the NY Post, which has been prone to doing the same sorta shit, but the latest is preposterously stupid.

The NY Post has an article with the blaring headline: “New emails show DHS created Stanford ‘disinfo’ group that censored speech before 2020 election.” I read it, hoping to see these new emails, because as we’ve discussed in multiple debunkings over the last year, that’s not what any evidence to date has shown. That doesn’t mean that it’s not possible that the government sought to censor information on social media. It’s entirely possible.

But if it happened, the evidence should show it.

Given the title of the NY Post article, I assumed that they’d publish these emails that proved that DHS created a group that censored speech before the 2020 election. Except… that’s not what any of it shows? The “emails” published by the NY Post literally debunk the claims in the headline and the article.

There are three emails published. The first is from Graham Brookie from the DFRLab at the Atlantic Council, in which he notes (very informally) that the Election Integrity Partnership (EIP) was set up “at the request of DHS/CISA.” This… isn’t new? And it doesn’t seem to mean what they think it means. The whole setup of the EIP was the same kind of setup that CISA has organized in the past for cybersecurity issues, where there’s a central party to handle passing along information for companies to be aware of. Historically, it had been about cybersecurity vulnerabilities, and with the EIP it was about attacks on election integrity.

But… we knew that already?

And, worse, the next two emails further undermine the whole argument that this had anything to do with censorship. The next email is from Brian Scully who was at CISA, and who noted that via the EIP, accounts had been flagged to Twitter regarding “Impersonating Colorado Government.” Again, this was known. It was covered in the past. Indeed, we wrote about this exact thing a year ago in another debunking. What happened was that some Colorado (not DHS) officials found some joke Twitter accounts that were pretending to be Colorado election officials.

Given that there had been reports of attempts to interfere with voting by providing people false information about voting (something that is illegal and which a key online troll is now going to jail over), Colorado (not DHS) officials used the EIP portal to report these accounts to Twitter. Twitter was alerted. As we noted last year, it wasn’t even clear that Twitter did anything about these accounts, and this newly revealed email… says that they simply asked the accounts to “revise to meet parody account requirements, which most did.”

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In other words, it appears the only actual new information in this emails is that, contrary to the implied earlier reporting, Twitter did not take down these stupid parody accounts.

So… what happened here was that Colorado officials overreacted to some stupid parody accounts, but in an abundance of caution used the EIP’s portal to alert Twitter to these accounts that claimed to be Colorado officials. Rather than take the accounts down or “censor” anything, Twitter just asked them to comply with the parody rules. For what it’s worth, that seems a lot less speech suppressive than Elon Musk, who has banned plenty of parody accounts for not being clear that they were parody accounts.

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So, uh, the old Twitter received a notice that someone was violating their parody rules, and asked the accounts to comply with the rules and more clearly label their parody accounts. This is compared to Elon Musk who promises to “permanently suspend” any such accounts.

The next email is even worse. Read this email and tell me how anyone, whether it’s Jim Jordan or NY Post reporter Josh Christenson, could take this as evidence that the program was set up to censor speech:

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It’s literally paragraphs of text from DHS saying (1) we’re not the originator of this information, merely the conduit through which it is passed along, (2) we’re not asking to remove it, and (3) no website will be punished if it does nothing with this info.

It’s literally saying “hey, we’re passing along this info, do with it what you want, it’s not our info, and feel free to ignore it.”

But, according to the NY Post this long disclaimer which debunks the entire premise of the article and the headline… actually shows “that CISA recognized it was on shaky legal grounds by participating in the effort.”

Um. No. That’s not what it shows at all. What it shows is that DHS/CISA knew the limits of its authority and were making it explicit to everyone else that it was not and could not demand any kind of censorship. And the companies knew that as well. The entire portal was set up for information sharing on potential election threats. And that’s what it was used for.

Yet we get release after release and article after article that is completely disconnected from this reality, pretending that this program did the opposite of what it was clearly intended to do, and then reads these emails to say the exact opposite of what they clearly say.

It’s absolutely fucking crazy that there are still people who believe it or that the NY Post thinks this story is accurate. The very emails in the article debunk the entire article.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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I must not bait. Bait is the mind-killer. Bait is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my desire to bait. I will permit the desire to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the desire to bait has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

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BernardoVerda (profile) says:

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That reminds me of Adlai Stevenson’s famous response during a presidential campaign, when a supporter declared that after his speech on the radio, he could count on the vote of every thinking person in America:
“Thank you… but that’s not enough, madam; we need a majority!”

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That One Guy (profile) says:

If you're just going to make stuff up don't link to the 'evidence'...

I’m reminded of the handful of nurgle cultists that have shown up here over the years that, when they could be bothered to link to actual studies would inevitably link to ones that they claimed supported their positions but that without fail contradicted what they were saying, making clear that they either never read the things or were banking real hard on their audience not doing so.

I’d say it’s a bad look when the ‘everyone has it out for conservatives’ crowd is using the same tactics as anti-vaxxers but given the overlap between the two I suppose it’s not that surprising.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

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Masnick is the one lying here. Emails show direct evidence of an organized effort to suppress speech.

I’d say it’s a bad look when the ‘everyone has it out for conservatives’ crowd is using the same tactics as anti-vaxxers

You get the irony here? CDC, NIH officials didn’t just say things that turned out to be untrue (tho there was a lot of that) they actively lied.

I’ll give you one example: They claimed, with a straight face, that vaccination would provide more immunity than a natural infection. That has basically never been true of any vaccine, and there was no reason to think it would be this time. But they said that anyway cuz really really wanted everyone to get vaccinated, and didn’t want the headache of trying to “count” natural infections.

And then they actively suppressed real medical experts, doctors, who said things like that.

So you laughing at “has it out for conservatives” and “anti-vaxxers” (I’m not an anti-vaxxer at all, officials still lied, a lot) is really fucking ironic.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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This stupid thing again, I swear that people like you lack reading comprehension while inserting your own words into what other people have said so you can attack them.

Riddle me this, how do you get protection from COVID without ever having had it? (For those too stupid to understand this riddle, the answer is “take the vaccine”).

Neither CDC or NIH has ever said that the vaccine provides better immunity, that is something that stupid people like you think they said because you couldn’t grok what they actually said because some idiots got their panties in a twist due to the CDC/NIH recommended everyone to take the vaccine. Now, you are of course free to contract COVID-19 with all its related health-problems to gain your natural immunity instead of getting the vaccine which will protect you from those health-problems if you ever contract COVID-19, which in turn will give a hybrid-immunity that is vastly better than natural immunity.

And then they actively suppressed real medical experts, doctors, who said things like that.

Who did? Did you mean those “medical experts” that said “it’s better you contract COVID-19 to get natural immunity rather than taking the vaccine” while ignoring the health risks associated getting the infection? I think the statistics speaks its own language, people were at minimum twice as likely to die if they were unvaccinated, just so they could get that all powerful natural immunity. And then we have the stupid squad who took those “medical experts” to heart, and after a little sniffle they thought they now were immune, never mind they just had the common cold or the flu which doesn’t confer any natural immunity to COVID.

TL;DR: Vaccine protects against COVID-19, to get natural immunity you need to contract COVID-19 first and are then twice as likely to die compared to someone who was vaccinated. The equation is dead-simple, even a first-grader understand 2 > 1.

Go gargle some bleach stupid.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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to get natural immunity you need to contract COVID-19 first and are then twice as likely to die compared to someone who was vaccinated

And that’s to say nothing of Long COVID, which we’re going to be spending years studying and trying to treat. And even worse: Kids who caught COVID might end up with health issues in adulthood that we can’t currently predict.

Then you get into the nature of the U.S. healthcare system as an expensive privilege where even a moderate medical expense can drive some people into the poorhouse (or worse), and…yeah, getting the jab is a much, much, much better idea than French kissing a COVID patient.

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bhull242 (profile) says:

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They claimed, with a straight face, that vaccination would provide more immunity than a natural infection.

They have never made that claim. They did say that vaccine-immunity is better when weighing in all the costs and benefits, but they didn’t say that it was more immunity.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

More lying.

Detailed emails and other documents showing the organizing of a complex, institutional effort to squash dissent by labeling it “disinformation”.

Mike Masnick:

Well, good thing there’s no evidence of efforts to squash dissent here! Also they said “we are not asking you censor this, that would be against the 1A”, as they totally asked them to censor that. Guess it’s all legally clear then!

For the 20th time, a mob boss saying “I’m definitely NOT telling you to whack that guy” in no way means they’re not telling the hit man to whack that guy (which is also a euphemism that exists for a reason).

NYpost is right and you are wrong. This shows an unambiguous attempt to squash dissent organized by the federal government. You can try to “explain” it away all you want, it’s clear to everyone else who isn’t a far lefty partisan. Saying “We knew that already” doesn’t help either….we knew that, and it was really bad then too. But it’s just more evidence pilling up.

It happened. It was really bad. No matter how much ink you spill trying to deny it. And when the SCOTUS rules that this was very bad and not to be repeated, you’ll whine and cry and claim you know the law better than they do.

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bhull242 (profile) says:

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For the 20th time, a mob boss saying “I’m definitely NOT telling you to whack that guy” in no way means they’re not telling the hit man to whack that guy (which is also a euphemism that exists for a reason).

If the mob boss also fails to do anything if nothing happens, and the recipient didn’t have the subjective belief that it was a threat, then there is no threat.

More importantly, under current jurisprudence, that isn’t the law in this sort of case.

JMT (profile) says:

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On the contrary, the Post was a different beast prior to Murdoch acquiring it. From Wikipedia:

It was established in 1801 by Alexander Hamilton, a Federalist and Founding Father, and became a respected broadsheet in the 19th century, under the name New York Evening Post.

The Post has been criticized since the beginning of Murdoch’s ownership for sensationalism, blatant advocacy, and conservative bias.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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is actually paid for by big tech

Google did help pay for an event once, and Mike did get Google Ad Revenue.

Oh wait, the site has articles critical to Google AND Big Tech, including your oh so favorite scam, procedural content generators masquerading as AI.

is supporting government censorship, and claims that its crazy to think its government censorship.

both a federal district court and appellate panel think its government censorship

Read the fucking article again, revenge pornographer.

And here is a post in the tradition of many, many posts on this site saying said censorship doesn’t exist

Breton threatening to fine social media platforms is a threat. Threatening to remove the business licences of companies who support voices the government don’t want the public to hear is censorship.

You don’t know the law, that much is clear. And, by your very public conviction, you clearly don’t care, either.

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Anonymous Coward says:

There is definitely a centralized, coordinated effort to censor opinions on the internet. Front and center would be any discussions on the origins of Covid-19.

Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and others removed posts that suggested that the evidence pointed to a lab leak instead of natural emergence.

Now, whether one’s personal opinion is natural emergence or lab accident, the bigger issue ought to be, why was that conversation so sensitive for the US?. I can see that being a sensitive issue for China, but why the US?

911 killed about 3000 in round numbers and look at the hissy fit we had over that. Now, we have a pandemic that killed 3000 times what 911 killed, but our conversation as to how that happened can’t be discussed in this country?

There is absolutely a governmental censorship problem out there. They are very concerned on what the rabble are hearing and seeing.

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