Who cares?

I feel like problem though of “ethical ai” is that in practice ai doesn’t learn from one image, but a general pattern from a hundred. It learns more like a person guessing what “Helado” but that means instead of needing to learn off one example it might need to learn like a person learning a new language over 1000s or even millions.

This means that for compensation, you might literally have thousands or hundreds of millions of people who each believe they taught the idea.

But if you say, have 10 million people who each believe they should be entitled to 100$ to 1000$ to 10,000$ for a single picture of a ice cream cone. But you say only made even a generous 10,000$ total split over 10 million people. All you can pay them is a fraction of a cent.

I remember many people said that and a few people did get 300-1000$s. But it was a small portion, under 1%, and many people actually produce work that nobody might have wanted to pay 100-1000$ use such as MS paint art.

People call a as thiefs, yet even other artists have gone gone to services like fiverr and found grifter photobashing other people’s drawn art for 80-500$ “oil paintings” that turned out to be ripped images from others with a generic paint.net oil painting 5 minute filter.

People call the ai side grifters, but seem to have very few, if any problem holding their own side often accountable. Harassment campaigns are frequent. Bad faith campaigns are common. Nobody is saying that there shouldn’t be some fair faith regulations on it but even “ethical” ai has raised a lot of questions on both sides.

People did legitimately try out the ethical ai part, but as mentioned people over estimate how much impact a single image or person with 5 images of 5,000,0000/+ might have. We’ve seen that the whole thing would need fair faith to work.

But even many so called pro ethical ai proponents say that the point might be to intentionally create a unfunctional system. If the payouts can’t be thousands of dollars times millions of people for $10,000,000,000 of payouts for 10,000$ in revenue, that it shouldn’t exist.

This is to me like if every walmart clerk announced that self checkout was paid the gross sum of millions of dollars for not sitting in a chair. calling themselves a the victim, and then setting up group harassment campaigns and deliberately trying to set up the system to fail.

Maybe its not within their interests from their pov to have it succeed without either ludicrously unrealistic payments for A, or bankruptcy for B.

But as someone who tried to make it work, it feels blatantly like attempts at good faith “ethically” are being made impossible by intentionally unrealistic. Unreachable, 1000$s for nothing goals from sometimes literal 14 year olds with limited real life experience.

We are going through a ukraine war, thousands of hard working people have gone to the streets due to covid. You have injured veterans who get nothing, people in the restaurant/wait staff industry who lost thousands when covid took out dining rooms.

Yet while this not be a pr correct move, I’ve never seen so much apathy or uncaring hypocrisy done so casually. Many so called artists actively band to harass others, wishing harm on others, insulting, and flat out when ethical ai is tried. Its deliberately made impossible.

It’s not that the proper avenues are reachable. But its like trying to go to work with a person who fucking wants to sabotage every effort. Use and abuse every ounce of what you try.

Make you throw away your time for A flailing 14 year old child with a god complex for me paint pokemon furry porn. And then constantly hurl insults, make you out to be a monster, and then realize unintentional or not that when fair faith methods are shown not to work.

It’s like expecting you’ll try to do your best within reason and instead getting a person who’s life goal is to set it up for self destructive failure. But if many still need every dollar to eat(even if they want to or not), how the fuck will ruining it for everyone else make the other person feel their time for “ethical ai”. Was nothing but a good idea ruined by Trojan horse sabotage?

We can all agree job loss, worries about competition, or even creative’s who’ve done both traditional and ai faithfully agree that fun or not, corporations constantly cutting corners to make record profit, (at the expense of workers) is a problem.

The expectations on paper seemed to be that with cooperation, both sides could make a win win.

In practice, the money demanded isn’t being seen as feasible. Companies are shifting ” ethical ” to “by using our site we automatically own all your data”. And I feel like essentially a good idea is being ruined by sabotage.

I’m not saying all concerns are invalid. But the feeling of attempts to reach out feeling a invitation for people who only want to use you for monetary gain seems mutual. Most people are not evil mustache twirling villains who hope for your death but frustrated triers who still have their own family, people and community to care for first.

I’ve spent hundreds to thousands on the art community before not for the art but because i thought i was supporting a good close knit local community.

Now i feel jaded, like it’s a bunch of frankly money obsessed people who’d never DO for others what they would demand from us.

And when cooperation isn’t shown to work. A fair many are just going to stop caring, pass them by, and let life stomp over them. Even if that results in them starving, or being forgotten by life.

And then you’ll be demonized and its just the most rancid experience trying for the other person. Why will anyone try cooperation if many of the people asking for it are already admitting they plan to sabotage it?????

It’s like a kid breaking their own 70 hr week working parents windows, house, furniture and photos over wanting a personal mansion and butler. They’re using impossible and unrealistic expectations to destroy and set cooperation up for failure while other people might just threaten to disown the child.

It doesn’t matter if you’re right on Twitter if it would leave two people homeless, with limited job prospects, or turn unrealistic fantasy into the enemy of feasibly.

I know this will probably draw ire but it’s a massive elephant in the room we ignored for several months. If we want people to be fed, how the honest fuck do we do it without a matching income source 1000x larger then what we currently see(???),

And if resources are limited, then why do literal fanfic artists deserve more thousands of dollars for drawing than our war vets, disabled, work injured, and struggling savingless retirees?

Why is a person who’s ‘worst case’ is being reduced to a normal person with the same job opportunities as everyone else? Is it because they go from hero worship to average joe? Is it because they want pay for doing nothing? But WHO is going to pick up the check that doesn’t exist?

Is it they want to make a living doing what they love? Then why are the people they constantly love to HATE, always expected to pick up the bill for the person rewarding it with it by SCREAMING at them???

Maybe this is bombastic. But we’ve spent 7 months beating around the brush. How is compromise supposed to work if over the last several months both sides now feel like the other uses them, despises them, sabotages them. And mutually sets up the other for failure.

Nobody is happy. But it wasn’t like nobody tried…..