A Banana Puts The Final Nail In The Coffin Of 5G Hype
from the they're-putting-5g-in-bananas-now? dept
We’ve long noted how 5G wireless is more of an evolution than a revolution. Yes, it results in faster, better networks, but it’s not a technology that’s truly transformative.
Knowing this, the wireless industry spent years coming up with all kinds of outlandish claims about how 5G can cure cancer or solve climate change in a bid to drum up interest and sales. My favorite type of this marketing involves taking something that doesn’t actually need 5G to work, and pretending that only 5G innovation made it possible. Then watching as a lazy press just regurgitates the claims.
Like when T-Mobile got a bunch of credulous press coverage for a robot that could give remote tattoos over 5G (which could have been done over 4G, or Wi-Fi, or even DSL). Or when a Korean coffee brand got oodles of free press for a “5G powered robot barista” (which could have been done over Wi-Fi). Or when the industry claimed that 5G and AR would revolutionize fashion by letting folks watch fashion shows in AR or VR (which could have been done… you get the point).
Mindless 5G medical hype has been a particularly healthy niche. Like when Verizon hyped “5G-powered” medical gear that not only didn’t actually require 5G to work, but wasn’t likely to be used by actual medical professionals who generally prefer fiber, Ethernet, and gigabit Wi-Fi due to the less reliable nature of cellular.
There’re just endless examples of this kind of marketing symbiosis between wireless carriers and a lazy, gullible tech press.
The latest and potentially greatest example of this art form involves the claim that 5G helped conduct a remote surgery on a banana between London and Los Angeles. A video purportedly showing the procedure has been making the rounds for a few years, often resulting in clickbait stories all over the internet about how this was only made possible by the low-latency, innovative potential of 5G!
More recently, The Verge’s Nilay Patel did some very basic due diligence and found that the entire thing was bullshit. So much bullshit, in fact, that played absolutely no role in what was shown:
“This video does not in any way show a robotic surgery being done over 5G. The video was first posted to TikTok during the pandemic by Dr. Kais Rona, who is a bariatric and robotic surgeon at Smart Dimensions Weight Loss in Southern California, and he’s been actively telling people that it’s not 5G ever since.”
Usually, a company like Verizon or Huawei will conduct an elaborate marketing scheme involving doing medical procedures over 5G to pretend that it’s the 5G making it all possible. Press outlets, some of them reputable, will then regurgitate the claims without noting that 5G isn’t actually making this possible, or that the procedure just as easily could have been done over Wi-Fi, or preferably, fiber optics and Ethernet.
This kind of media gullibility is helpful to a wireless industry keen on obscuring pesky facts like Americans pay some of the highest prices in the world for 5G that’s a half-cooked mess when compared to overseas deployments. It’s hard to find many stories about how U.S. wireless is expensive and mediocre due to monopolization, but you’ll find no shortage of “news” reports lauding 5G’s overstated or outright fraudulent innovation potential.
In this case the 5G bullshit didn’t even need the industry’s involvement. All that was required was a single fake claim on a posted video for the hype to resonate across AI-generated clickbait mills for all of eternity. A pump primed years earlier thanks to uncritical telecom trade mags, and lazy, underpaid reporters who can’t be bothered to ask basic questions or pick up the phone.
Filed Under: 5g, banana surgery, broadband, high speed internet, hype, marketing, surgery, wireless
Comments on “A Banana Puts The Final Nail In The Coffin Of 5G Hype”
Advertisements masquerading as news.
But WHY?
Why let some stupid facts get in the way of perfectly usable advertising claims?
Also: there is no such thing as bad publicity – the more people that share it (albeit for the wrong reasons) the better!
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” there is no such thing as bad publicity”
The GOP mantra
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” let’s do bad things ”
The DNC mantra.
What gets me the most about all these 5G claims, is that it’s literally just the “last mile” delivery process. All ISPs still use fiber internet trunks for delivery of their 5G from one city/country to the next. 5G is simply one (of many) delivery choices for the last mile or so to the destination. Removing a router or two in a hospital and using a wireless cellular signal isn’t going to reduce overall data latency enough to matter.
This is like coming up with a “revolutionary” package delivery service that uses micro-chipped dogs to deliver to people’s houses. It still uses the USPS for getting packages to the city, but then you send out your dogs to the house and claim that this couldn’t have been done without your chihuahuas.
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This. You have to profoundly misunderstand technology for the banana story to be remotely plausible to you. And latency halfway around the world is going to be dominated by the speed of whatever transmits the 0s and 1s as determined by physics (electricity in wires, light in optic fibres, radio waves in cellular). As radio waves travel approximately as fast as light, there’s no mechanism for 5G to have meaningfully lower latency than a direct fibre connection.
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Hellloooo drone delivery
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Heh, I tried to find a ridiculous delivery method that wasn’t already in place (drone deliver). Drones actually kind of make sense however, as swapping over to a as-the-crow-flies air travel for delivery in dense organized city streets works better than using gas-guzzlers that contend with all other road traffic. Drones being electric-powered are a plus, though swapping over to electric vans has lessened their deficit.
If you were to compare drone delivery to 5G, it’d be like claiming that same-day delivery of products just flat-out wouldn’t be possible were it not for 10-mile range electric drones. The problems with that claim is that not only do we have same-day delivery right now, but drones for the in-town delivery doesn’t negate the existing infrastructure we already have for inter-city transport, which drone delivery would still rely on.
No care me... care you?
Bell Canada is currently hyping an ad where Shaw/Rogers cable internet (as opposed to their Bell fibre service) is like being chased by an evil clown in a nightmare.
At this point, whether it’s internet service or cellular the point is – does it matter? My home service and my cell service are fast enough that I don’t notice problems (even though my cable service deliveres video using the same data stream). Response is pretty close to instantaneous, no waits or stutters. Does it need to be better? Generally, no.
I suppose it matters if I’m in the bleachers with 50,000 others watching a concert or sports game, but that is pretty rare for me – otherwise it’s a non-issue.
So, Mitch McConnell freezing up in public is due to 5G latency issues?
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He’s got a long way to go to catch up with incognitive Joe.
Faraday Cage
Have you been in a large hospital? They’re a giant Faraday cage. Once you get more than about 20′ from a window, all cellular signals are blocked. I doubt 5G, or any “xG” would ever be useful in a medical setting.
Ugh.
You know what drives me nuts about this, is that there is a cellular platform that DOES offer benefits for high reliability communications. FirstNet, which is a Government Agency building out a network, on AT&T’s LTE infrastructure with a dedicated band. In addition to emergency services, utilities can access the network.
5G isn't enough?
5G isn’t enough?
Xfinity/Comcast is actually advertising 10G.
I’m not even kidding.
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…this one goes up to 11.
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Yeah, that’s a 10 Gigabit per second fiber connection they’re advertising. They’re counting on people not understanding the difference between that and the 5G wireless home internet services and just paying a huge markup for a product they really don’t need.
truth in adverts?
Anyone?
Politics learned a lesson and changed the rules, when Someone tried to pass this idea.
Then came the one about EQUAL time for the other sides, in politics.
Which only means that you PAY more for the adverts, and the corps charge Everyone THAT same price, Even tho they OVER PAID. The smaller groups cant compete to buy adverts.
the BIG part of this, is Buy an ADVERT and INSERT i into the news, and DONT tell people its an ADVERT.
Lower latency makes remote control practical
5G has lower latency, at least supposedly. Your examples demonstrate what this could mean in what becomes realistic.
What are you questioning? That 5G does not have lower latency? Or that these applications are not made practical through lower latency?
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“5G has lower latency”
Lower than what?
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4G presumably, or any other older tech for that matter. Regardless, just because you are on 5G it doesn’t guarantee a noticeable lower latency since the tower could still use the same crappy backbone as the older equipment it replaced.
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For fuck's sake..
Fuck your surgery, fuck your cancer, fuck your tattoos, and fuck your fucking bananas! I still can’t receive fucking phone calls for half of my 20 minute commute, less than 5 miles from D.C.
How about we concentrate on fixing that?
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Identify the area where you have your problem and complain at your carrier. If you can make calls but not receive them then the problem may be with your phone rather than the network.
In Salem OR, 5G is NOT faster or better in any way. Speeds <= 30m, with full 5G bars. Noticeably slower than 4G LTE(70m+) in every way. Slow connection, choppy videos, Spotify even hangs. Just another lie from the American Corporatocracy.
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The thing is, 5G is like getting 10GBps router for your home. Your packets will go blazingly fast to the router and then hit your crappy ISP’s internet and slow to a crawl.
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Emphasis on "could"/
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It’s one banana, Michael. After copay and max annual out-of-pocket payments, how much could it cost, $6,000?
Effing SAD
AND the kicker… companies like ATT and VERIZON DRAG their A** deploying fiber optics, except when it’s to support CELLULAR WIRELESS networks making them so much profits.. BUT when it comes to deploying FIBER OPTICS to the home and business— oh no… just CAN’T or WON’T get it done! Case in point… Verizon had 20 YEARS to deploy ALL of Long Island, NY where the first started fiber optics to the home and business and 20— TWENTY YEARS later, it’s NOT ALL DONE!!! P A T H E T I C isn’t even the tip of the iceberg on that one!!
Again
5G is revolutionary for those that have it, and use it. And those that don’t have it consistently or at all will downplay the usefulness.
5G lets you download Prime or Netflix video to the app nearly instantly. Play games with near zero lag. HD video chat. 30-person video conferencing with no dropout.
Nobody needs 5G. But it’s an epic update for those that have and can use it.