Judge Dumps Trump’s Retaliatory Defamation Suit Against The Winner Of A Sexual Abuse Lawsuit Against Him

from the refusing-to-quit-even-when-you're-behind dept

While I can comprehend the fact that Donald Trump has access to money (even if it’s unlikely he’s playing with house money at this point), I cannot understand how he hasn’t been reduced to a pro se litigant at this point. This man has a headful of bad legal ideas and somehow — despite his regular refusal to pay them for their services — still finds lawyers willing to advocate on his behalf.

All Trump does is lose in federal court. Defamation suits. “Stolen election” suits. Whatever the fuck THIS is. All losses.

Trump continues to blunder into court like a luxury yacht piloted by frat boys on spring break. It’s big and impractical. It can do vast amounts of collateral damage. And it’s helmed by a person who never saw a “pussy” he didn’t think could be “grabbed.”

You would think a long streak of losses would be demoralizing. And even if you apply the megalomaniac discount, you’d think a guy who was on receiving end of a jury decision finding that Trump sexually assaulted writer E. Jean Carroll would just limp away from this decision and regroup his ego and waning libido.

Instead, Trump decided this lawsuit loss (in front of a jury, no less!) demanded nothing less than a retaliatory defamation lawsuit predicated on the threadbare legal definition of the phrase “sexual assault.”

This would be inadvisable under even normal circumstances. But Trump is an unusual defendant/plaintiff. His track record in courts should have pushed this past “inadvisable” into “no fucking way am I filing that” territory.

But Trump did decide to sue E. Jean Carroll for defamation despite the fact a jury decided her sexual abuse allegations were true. Not only that, the jury decided statements Trump made about Carroll after discovering he was being sued were defamatory.

Trump’s vengeful hubris has been roundly rejected by the federal court handling this asinine lawsuit. As CNN reports, Trump’s BS defamation suit is as dead as his 2020 election hopes. (I know. I felt as weird writing that as you’ll feel reading it.)

Of course, Trump will continue to believe both of these things are still alive, despite all evidence to the contrary. But we’re far more interested in actual facts than the internal machinations of man who thinks the survival of Schrodinger’s cat depends on the personal interests of the observer, rather than the knowns and unknowns on hand prior to observation.

But back to the facts, courtesy of CNN, which was kind enough to link to the ruling:

In an order Monday, Judge Lewis Kaplan said that Trump had not proven that Carroll’s statements on CNN the day after the jury awarded her $5 million after finding that Trump sexually abused Carroll and defamed her were false or “not at least substantially true,” which is the legal standard.

Trump sued Carroll in June based on her response to questions posed on CNN. Carroll was asked about the verdict finding Trump sexually abused Carroll, but did not rape her as defined under New York law and as she alleged. Carroll said, “Oh, yes he did.”

In throwing out Trump’s lawsuit, the judge wrote, “Indeed, the jury’s verdict in Carroll II establishes, as against Mr Trump, the fact that Mr Trump ‘raped her’, albeit digitally rather than with his penis. Thus, it establishes against him the substantial truth of Ms Carroll’s ‘rape’ accusations.”

How much of a shittily desperate person do you need to be to file a federal lawsuit because you’re upset about insinuations about what exact appendage you used to sexually assault someone? Well, you’d have to be Donald J. Trump, apparently — a person so belatedly upset about case specifics he couldn’t even be bothered to respond to any of Carroll’s assertions during her lawsuit.

Carroll II was tried in this Court in April and May 2023. Ms. Carroll testified that Mr. Trump assaulted her in the dressing room of a New York department store in what most likely was the spring of 1996 by, among other things, forcibly penetrating her vagina with his fingers and his penis. The essence of her account was corroborated by two “outcry” witnesses in whom she confided shortly and six other witnesses. Mr. Trump relied exclusively on trying to discredit Ms. Carroll’s proof and on portions of his deposition testimony that came in on Ms. Carroll’s case. He did not testify in person, attend trial, or present any defense evidence.

If you can barely be bothered to defend yourself fully against what you consider to be false allegations, you can hardly expect a court to view a hastily filed retaliatory lawsuit that’s long on Trump and short on actionable claims to receive a warm welcome from people already accustomed to your arrogance and indifference.

And then there’s the law itself, which says Trump loses. The court notes that there’s been plenty of court discussion as to whether the (sustained via jury verdict) allegations against Trump qualify as “rape” under the narrow definition provided by New York state law. But there’s little doubt the sustained allegations describe violations commonly described as “rape” by victims.

That’s the crux of this countersuit. Trump is upset because he digitally penetrated someone without their consent but did not actually insert his penis in E. Jean Carroll while sexually assaulting her in a New York city dressing room. Truly an amazing argument from someone who actually sat in the Oval Office for four years.

When it comes to defamation and public figures, it’s not whether or not allegations or statements are exactly on-point, completely pure distillations of the letter of the law. It’s whether or not the things said are “substantially true.”

Do you really need me to spell this out for you? I assume everyone reading this post is smarter — or at least, less obstinately stupid — than Donald Trump. (And that includes our worst trolls.) I won’t spell it out. You all know where this leads. I’ll let the court take it from here:

Mr. Trump accordingly fails to state a claim for defamation because (1) he fails plausibly to allege that Ms. Carroll’s statements were not true, and (2) in the alternative, Ms. Carroll’s allegedly defamatory statements were substantially true as a matter of law.

And that’s it. Trump’s argument is nothing more than “but I didn’t use my penis.” His biggest problem with Carroll’s statement is that she wasn’t clinically accurate about the details of this sexual assault. And that’s what Trump believes is a “smart” response to losing a sexual assault lawsuit.

And it’s the same reductive mindset displayed by his acolytes, who will no doubt make an appearance in the comment section. But when your best argument on behalf of someone who forced their way into a dressing room and forced their fingers into someone’s vagina is nothing more than “but it’s not technically rape under New York law,” you really need to start asking yourself some questions about the hills you’ve chosen to die on. More than that, you need to ask if your “hills to die on list” might be directly related to your inability to retain active social media accounts on platforms that aren’t run by delusional billionaires who’ve given you the “opportunity” to buy your way back into impolite society.

If you’ve been reduced to being pedantic about sexual assault, you’ve reached your personal nadir. But, don’t worry. Donald J. Trump is more than wiling to keep you company and court your vote.

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Bruce C. says:

Donald Trump...

Whose grandfather made his fortune running a whorehouse in the Yukon.
Whose father grew that fortune violating federal and state housing laws in NYC.
Whose growth of the Trump family fortune didn’t even match the S&P 500 until he found the genius method of suckering donations from his fans.

Whose net approval in the Republican party is still over 30% (approve-disapprove).

It’s not just Trump and his lawyers who are out of touch with reality.

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David says:

Demoralizing?

You would think a long streak of losses would be demoralizing.

You need a moral to get demoralized. The point of those court cases is not winning. That would be like saying the point of a theatre performance is what the critics write in the newspaper the day after. That’s not where the show is. That’s not where the audience is. It may be some sort of closure, but a critic only buys one ticket and gets to write a column in the remote parts of the newspaper that is just heeded by critics.

In the mean time, your own lines are all over the frontpages every day you are in town.

David says:

Re:

Trump doesn’t hire losers. That makes it so brilliant that he gets to fire so many of them.

Once he decides not paying a lawyer, he owes it to himself to think and talk of the lawyer as such a loser that they are not worth paying.

That’s not the kind of person he hires into his government of winners. The people he hires only become losers (and have always been losers) once he chooses to get rid of them again.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Theater stage, court room, same thing these days really

So long as there’s no penalty for performative lawsuits where the primary goal is to play to a particular audience and actually winning the case is a side issue that doesn’t matter either way the question isn’t ‘why are there so many PR stunt lawsuits?’ but ‘why are there only this many PR stunt lawsuits?’

ke9tv (profile) says:

I never thought I’d see the politicians spending so much time obsessing about so many penes. Trump’s penis and whether or not it entered Ms. Carroll, and Hunter Biden’s penis and whether or not it appears on video on some laptop that may or may not exist and may or not have belonged to Mr. Biden.

Considering what the right wing thinks about sexual orientation, I would have imagined that they’d be upset that so many of the male right-wingers take such an interest in any penis of which they’re not the proprietor.

dickeyrat says:

Donald Trump. Could there ever be a finer example of a Head Idiot, to rule not so benignly over a Nation of idiots? And then we have his fine example as a Useful Idiot, long fantasized over in the hallowed halls of the K.G.B., and so by some of its more renowned adherents, such as one Vladimir V. Putin. Maybe there is a God–with a wicked sense of humour!

LostInLoDOS (profile) says:

In reality it likely never happened. Trump can literally buy sex with just about anyone on the planet
I also have zero doubt that he would have been found guilty of /something/ by a clearly biased hours (based on post trial statements).
The lady couldn’t remember when or how. The timeline changed a dozen times over. The fact that she was, is, and always will be a nobody doesn’t make it any more likely.
Either Trump bumped her in passing and she invented the payday, or he bumped her in leaving and she invented a pay day.

Second, he WAS acquitted of rape and to claim otherwise (as this piece of garbage judge did) is a slap in the face to anyone who ever suffered the trauma of rape.

bhull242 (profile) says:

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Right, so, being found not guilty of some act in court doesn’t mean that the claim was found to be false; it simply means that there wasn’t sufficient evidence presented in court to demonstrate that that happened according to the applicable standard (in a civil case like this, that would be by a preponderance of the evidence).

In simpler terms, saying that there is insufficient evidence to prove X happened is not the same as saying the evidence shows that X did not happen.

I’m sorry, but that’s just how the legal system works. And for defamation claims—particularly of a public figure—the standards for truth are very lenient in favor of finding a claim to be substantially true and, therefore, not defamatory. And there are a ton of court opinions that hold that an acquittal on a claim that X happened doesn’t prove that X didn’t happen for purposes of defamation (and for other things).

As for the memory thing, keep in mind that this was about something that happened a long time ago. It is incredibly common for rape victims and the like to not remember exact dates and other details. Memory is fickle at the best of times, and what stands out most in our minds isn’t always what you might think.

And as for Trump being able to buy sex from anyone if he wanted to, even assuming that to be true, so what? A lot of rape—and sexual assault in general—gets committed by the super-rich, and many perpetrators do so out of a desire to prove/demonstrate their superiority, like as a power play, not solely out of attraction to somebody. I’m not going to pretend to know why Trump did whatever it is that he did, but the fact is that your argument for why he obviously wouldn’t have is based on the blatantly false assumption that ability to pay for something means no desire to take it by force instead.

(Really, those last two things suggest that you don’t actually understand rape victims well enough to accuse the judge’s opinion of being a slap in the face for them.)

As for the jury being biased, that would tend to be inconsistent with them not convicting him on the rape claim, so I’m skeptical.

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