Age Verification Providers Say Don’t Worry About California Design Code; You’ll Just Have To Scan Your Face For Every Website You Visit
from the this-is-not-a-solution dept
If you thought cookie pop-ups were an annoying nuisance, just wait until you have to scan your face for some third party to “verify your age” after California’s new design code becomes law.
On Friday, I wrote about the companies and organizations most likely to benefit from California’s AB 2273, the “Age Appropriate Design Code” bill that the California legislature seems eager to pass (and which they refer to as the “Kid’s Code” even though the details show it will impact everyone, and not just kids). The bill seemed to be getting very little attention, but after a few of my posts started to go viral, the backers of the bill ramped up their smear campaigns and lies — including telling me that I’m not covered by it (and when I dug in and pointed out how I am… they stopped responding). But, even if somehow Techdirt is not covered (which, frankly, would be a relief), I can still be quite concerned about how it will impact everyone else.
But, the craziest of all things is that the “Age Verification Providers Association” decided to show up in the comments to defend themselves and insist that their members can do age verification in a privacy-protective manner. You just have to let them scan your face with facial recognition technology.
Really.
I’m not kidding:
First, we want to reassure you and your readers generally about anonymity. The purpose of the online age verification sector is to allow users to prove their age to a website, WITHOUT disclosing their identity.
This can be achieved in a number of ways, but primarily through the use of independent, third-party AV providers who do not retain centrally any of your personal data. Once they have established your age or age-range, they have no need (and under EU GDPR law, therefore no legal basis) to retain your personal data.
In fact, the AV provider may not have needed to access your personal data at all. Age estimation based on facial analysis, for example, could take place on your own device, as can reading and validating your physical ID.
First, I want to call out that they said “may not” need access to your personal data. Which is very different from “does not” or “will not.”
Also, they insist it’s not “facial recognition” software because it’s not matching you up to a database of your identity… it’s just using “AI” to guess estimate your age. What could possibly go wrong?
But, more to the point, they’re basically saying “don’t worry, you’ll just need to scan your face or ID for every website your visit.” Normalizing facial scans does not seem particularly privacy protecting or reasonable. It seems pretty dystopian, frankly.
We’ve already just gone through this nonsense earlier this year when the IRS was demanding facial scans, and it later came out that — contrary to claims about privacy and the high quality of the facial verification technology — the technology was incredibly unreliable and the vendor in question’s public claims about the privacy tools were bogus.
Honestly, this whole thing is bizarre. The idea that we need facial scans to surf the internet is just crazy, and I don’t see how that benefits kids at all. (Also, does this mean you can only surf the web on PCs that have webcams, now? Do public libraries and internet cafes have to equip every machine with a camera?)
This morning, they’re in the comments again, trying (and failing) to defend this argument that it’s nothing to worry about. When people point out that such a system can be gamed, they have an answer… “we’ll just make you take a video of yourself saying phrases, too.” I mean WHAT?
For some higher risk use cases, the age check may involve a liveness test where the user must take several selfie photos or record a short video saying phrases requested by the provider. Passive liveness technology has further reduced the effort required by the user – do look into that.
They’re also cautioning against the claims that you’d have to scan all the time. If you’re “low risk,” according to them, you might only have to have your face scanned every three months. What a bargain.
How often you need to prove it is still the same user who did the check is a matter for the services themselves and their regulators. Some low risk uses might only check every three months – higher risk situations might double check it is still you each time you make a purchase.
Also, they’re saying that if Techdirt is going to publish “content that is potential harmful to kids” (as we’ve described, the standard “harmful to kids” is never clearly defined in the bill, and could easily apply to our stories on civil rights abuses among other things), these Age Verification providers have a solution: just redesign Techdirt to put those stories in the “adult section.”
Unless techdirt carries content that is potentially harmful to kids, it woud not need to apply age assurance. If some content is potentially harmful, this could be put in a sub-section of the site where adult users who wish to access it would use an age check – but probabably the same one they did 3 weeks ago when downloading a new 18 rated video game.
All of this is nonsense.
Once again, everything about this bill assumes everyone providing internet services is inherently up to no good, and that every kid who uses the internet is damaged by it. That’s not even remotely true. There are ways to deal with the actual problems without ruining the internet for everyone. But that’s not the approach California is taking.
Filed Under: ab 2273, age appropriate design code, age verification, california, facial recognition, facial scans, verification
Companies: age verification providers association
Comments on “Age Verification Providers Say Don’t Worry About California Design Code; You’ll Just Have To Scan Your Face For Every Website You Visit”
FFS
1984 was a warning, not a how-to guide.
I’d rather not use the Internet at all if I need to have my laptop’s camera on all the time so some shady-ass company that I don’t trust can scan my face to make sure I’m not a kid every time I visit a given website. And if someone at that shady-ass company has a problem with my saying that, I got two words for ’em:
🖕 Fuck. 🖕 You. 🖕
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Just use a video capture card, and a video loop of and elderly person that looks like they are at the keyboard, as the webcam.
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If going to a website involves that much work compared to, say, inputting a URL or clicking on a browser bookmark, I’d rather not go to that website.
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Facial Recognition Exec: It’s strange… The AI is saying that 40% of faces scanned look exactly like Kevin Bacon. And that includes nearly all of the systems that don’t have a camera device listed in the registry!
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It’s also saying 50% are James Woods, it then gets depressed and shuts down.
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I don’t need to do that. Although I’m unlucky enough to look like a teenager, the ten-year-old three apartments over has progeria. 😉
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With all three of your middle fingers, no less!
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Fuck off, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese, you used scumbag.
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That part about your pig head slathered in DICKCHEESE!
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So what other ACs said about you having weird sexual fantasies was obviously true because here you are, providing more evidence of them. Flagged.
i can’t see any possible issues in guessing somone’s age from image, video, or streaming video. They could never get the age wrong! Never minding everything else that is problematic with this. But that leaves nothing, as there is nothing at all of an upside.
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Future AI 911 ‘Live’ Chat Operator: “We’re sorry, but you cannot call for help without a facial ID verification. Please try again.”
IP Blocks
I wonder how many sites are just going to block California IPs, much like many just block EU IPs.
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Well that if this bill not taken down immediately in the courts for being unconstitutional.
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I know I would choose to install a geographic filter rather than have to hire five extra people just to do California’s paperwork!
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No one of value lives in California anyway.
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Just to be clear, you’re joking, right? Because that is a ludicrous statement, considering that Apple & Meta are located in California, not to mention Hollywood and the Internet Archive (among many, many others), so I take it you’re making a joke?
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Oh, crap, I forgot about Internet Archive being based in California. Yikes.
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Mike lives in California.
And I think he’s got value.
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I didn’t know you lived in California, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese.
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Well, from an AC-hole cheapseats, I suppose that–unlike yourself who is one day on about me being “the evil Chinese,” posting from Singapore, Wuhan–Tokyo–wherever “the evil Chinese” in your imagination live–it wouldn’t matter much for your dossier who or what I am or am not.
One day, you are all webterrogating some inocent victim online–delusional and convinced I am a gormeh sabzi guzzling Iranian or even a UAE spergbot, maybe one of your late night cruising victims in some dark alley full of desperate gay men (West Hollywood, lol)–what would be the point of telling you that I live in Boyle Height’s, just behind the county coroners office–that I can see the Spring Stret building from my front windows?
THAT would ruin your oh-so-Silverlake gaytard hipster fantasy.
Pro-tip, just for YOU: All the Dickcheese guzzler’s like yourself, can be found to YOUR hearts content in We-Ho. EAT YOUR DICKCHEESE HEART OUT, bruh!
And, Try to be nice to others, should get out of prison, you convicted pedophile. In the real world, you would not only get bitch slapped into oblivion, eat your teeth and cry, but might find yourself the prey, not the online predator that you are.
Seriously–grow a personality or something, and stop worrying about where real people live, AC-hole-bot. “real life” isn’t half as exciting as they make it oit to be.
Ok, I was lying–real life beats the shit out of your stick-dry kindle of a “life” lol.
MATCH
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Either you’re in the States or you’re an expat sucking Chinese dick for a living. Make up your mind because it can’t be both. Oh, and it’s the Spring Arcade Building in Boyle Heights. I should know, I used to live in LA.
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FTFY
Every confession a new interrogation, AC-hole.
Then:
[AC-holesdesperate Google searching returns “Spring Arcade building” which absolutely NO ONE who ever lived in LA calls it, except the local government workers*]
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FTFY
If your intention was to project your own sexual fantasies, you sure did! 😹
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“AC-holesdesperate Google searching returns “Spring Arcade building” which absolutely NO ONE who ever lived in LA calls it, except the local government workers…” claimed the hypocritical troll because he’s too busy sucking off his Chinese masters to think of a better lie.
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Found the Democrat.
If the facial scan and age estimate is carried out only n the users P.C. then programs that simply say over 18 will become popular. If the provider scans the image, image how do they know they are seeing the person using the computer, rather than an save image or video.
The hole in the system the critical step of seeing who is actually using the computer, and even detection when that changes. Also, its biggest failure in terms of child protection will be that an adult can bee showing a child inappropriate material, and with two monitors it is easy to have the child outside the view of the camera being used for age validation.
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Let me stop you there.
1) There are much easier ways of verifying ID than facial scan, if you’re going to have the user submitting something. That include the ever-unpopular “give me a credit card number”
2) And as with the above-mentioned credit card numbers, anything client-side will be broken and hacked in hours, not days. (q.v. software ‘piracy’).
3) Even if the client isn’t gaming the system, malware may be. … as always.
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Knowing the number does not prove the ownership or possession of a card. Indeed that would be easiest check for teenagers to bypass. Indeed, anything based on a text based identifier, such as an age proof card, is a proof that is easily shared or obtained.
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Yup. And all the methods of defeating those workarounds require an online facial recognition database – the easiest being to scan an unexpired ID against the state’s ID database.
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Unless a liveness test is carried out, even that can be defeated by using photos or video clips. Also. is it a good idea to train people to grant access to a camera when requested by a web site?
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It won’t be long until we have software that can generate on demand appropriate video with sound that can defeat any “likeness” test.
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Given the whole deepfakes thing I think we might already be almost at that point other than the speech half.
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That depend on whether the check listens for the requested speech, or if it is also coupled to ‘lip reader’ capabilities in the AI. Without the lip reader, text to speech will probably satisfy the check.
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This legal proposal is basically expanding the arms race of DRM to another arena.
Also: It’s pointless (or worse, it will likely have a net negative impact on the stated goals).
So they are saying to lockup the comment section?
Like Mr Stone above[1].
Also, I’m afraid that, like Stone, I would refrain from using the internet. There is no sane reason for me to allow random website (or even normal website like Techdirt) access to a webcam. If that’s required, then I’d had have to reluctantly (and “silently”) say goodby to Techdirt.
[1] Stone I’m assuming (or maybe just making a blind leap of faith) that you’ll find that funny, and not offensive.
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See, this dude gets it. 👍
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One thing you didn’t mention. There are still plenty of folks who surf the web, but not on a laptop. Many don’t even have webcams.
Not wanting to verify via webcam is, on the host end, indistinguishable from not able to web cam.
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Locker room reach around, much?
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Fuck off, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese. Hypocritical lying troll.
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Says the troll that sucks Chinese dick for a living.
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Projected the troll that actually does that. Flagged.
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And now there are four! SCHISMOGENESIS FTW!!!
Gaytarded Top Troll who endlessly searches for it’s lost foreskin online, finding only bits and bytes of code, and then, its life-companion troll who obsesses over posts about “dick-cheeses” as if its a connoisseur, and then, standard issue Thing 1 and Thing 2.
That’s enough for a gaytarded Monkey Pox spit-swapping party in their world, no kidding.
Now go flag, bitches. You are all my bitches now….here’s a few miliseconds of your life tat you will NEVER get back———->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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And this>>>>>>>>
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Phil we know your depressed about Thors but this cry for attention is kind of sad and pathetic.
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This>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Seeing what you did with your three middle fingers above…..eeeeew. That thumbs up gives me the willies now–but the AC is prolly luvin’ it, bro.
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This one flagged like all the others, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese, you hypocritical used scumbag. BTW, your mother called American Family Planning to get her abortion fee refunded.
Well, I’m looking foward to this. I don’t have a webcam for my PC, but if California requires face scanning for age verification purposes, I might get a free one from that state. I can’t wait! /s
What happens if or more likely when the bill is taken down in court and all there solutions are found unconstitutional?
Exactly how does forcing children to have webcams protect them?
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It doesn’t, but leave it to “think of the children” lawmakers to never think through the consequences of their bullshit if it gets enacted into law.
Mike, just break their laws, they don’t deserve respect.
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Are you willing to sign a legally binding agreement to pay all of TD’s legal bills that might occur from that? Because ‘just break the law’ kinda has some potential consequences.
Are they even listening to themselves?
‘This law doesn’t stand to be a huge hassle and privacy problem, you just need to jump through all these super simple steps to comply with it which may include pictures and videos of your face provided on-demand.’
Nothing like an argument that shows that even the bill’s defenders can’t defend it on it’s merits.
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I wonder if they can tell us if there “solutions” are in line with Reno v. ACLU and how it does not fall foul of it.
Great, they’re not just fucking creeps; they’re condescending, too.
May they trod on Lego until the end of days.
We really need to require a passing score on an intelligence test before a person can run for public office.
Ooops, people who could pass a real intelligence test would be smart enough to NOT run for public office 🙁 So it would have to be dumb intelligence test, so we’d be back where we are now.
Also need a basic intelligence test for voters, say able to read at the above the sixth grade level (which half the adults in this country can’t do).
Well, the open internet was a great idea. We all knew that someone would find a way to destroy it…
Re: Sorry, but no.
It’s been used in the past. Thankfully, that sort of shit is gone. For now.
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A better system dates back to the old Greek democracies – in some cases, people could be elected against their will, with penalties for refusing to serve. That would neatly solve the problem of anyone smart enough to serve not wanting to.
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This is why I’ve advocated abolishing campaigning and establishing a lottery primary.
The worst leaders are the ones who want to lead. The best leaders were forced into it by public fiat.
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The worst leaders are the ones who want to lead. The best leaders were forced into it by public fiat.
ORLY? America’s first disabled* president would beg to differ.
*Used deliberately. ‘With (a) disability/ies’ implies that the needs are separable from the person, whereas ‘disabled’ recognises that disability most often comes from inaccessible environments, especially in FDR’s time.
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Yeah, citing to a eugenicist like FDR isn’t always good form when it comes to discussing disabilities, lol.
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Given how much you claim to hate Israel, it’s really ironic of you to link to one of its newspapers, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese.
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Thanks for your view from the hasbara seats troll. Have you found that missing foreskin of yours yet? Rumor has it your “bris-gone-wrong” has left you bitter, and searching. Don’t worry–that happens a lot to your types of “people.”
I have linked to hundreds of articles in the Israeli press over the decades I have dealt with your types here.
Problem is, you are really stupid, and exceptionally lazy–you seldom read them, or you fall back on your usual hasbara/IDF/schismogenetic schtick.
I have no feelings one way or the other about “Israel”as a world confabulation any more than London in the fifth century A.D., or Manhattan in 1619.
Lot’s of animosity for people who don’t play fair though. People LIKE YOU. And, lots of THOSE people/bots/delusional trolls live in Israel.
It’s no coincidence, considering that the Greater Zion-British-Israel world confabulation has the Jews do all of their dirt for them. I mean–whoever “the Jews” actually are these days, lol. You saw that train wreck of ThorsProvoni.
Wow! The Svengali can really ruin folks for life….
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Now I finally understand your unhealthy obsession eith circumcised foreskins, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese. It’s obviously antisemitism on your part. Flagged.
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Say dickcheese again, could you faggot?
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Say faggot again, could you, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese? Your noncomments really need to be hidden.
potentially, great word aint it.
Then I would ask that every religious site be considered an ADULTS ONLY site.
Question
This doesn’t go into effect until Mid-2024 correct?
I trust them..
Wait so to keep my child safe I’m supposed to give random 3rd parties the capability to take pictures of my children every time they navigate to a website…yes, I definitely trust them to do this – I assume these people proposing this will allow me to come to their house and take pictures of their kids, I mean I’ll just delete them later so its ok! And if they have nothing to hide about their age…they have nothing to worry about!
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Oh come on, what could possibly go wrong with training kids that it’s perfectly normal for sites to tell them to turn on their webcams and say whatever lines that they are told to?
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You should know that by now. ‘Therapists’ have been inculcating unquestioning obedience into autistic people for decades.
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Wow, excellent point! Operant conditioning is so, um, MKULTRA era.
All operand conditioning is treating humans as lab rats.
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And how long before you turn around and say the opposite of what you’ve just said, Phillip?
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Great question, queef-quaffer, but you are not worth an answer to anything, schismogenetic troll Thing 2
Instead, here’s a free ride on the Anonymous Coward loppedy looper!
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That stuff about autism is clearly a deliberate misinterpretation of fallacious research by a neurotypical researcher, said misinterpretation probably made by you, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese.
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Well, engage with the evidence if you so choose, let’s go toe to toe, shall we?
But yor types don’t engage in any factual matters whatsoever. You are a schismogenetic troll, of the Hegelian type.
This:
So, yeah, wutever, Israeli troll, wutever. Mabe eat some dickcheese and stave off your craving for live children to sacrifice to your g-d Moloch.
Educate yourself–written words are like food for the brain. Or, wutever type of “intelligence” your types have there with the AI these days. Certainly, artificial anything has to get better than what you are, but who knows? Poor Thing 1, lost in a time warp, searching for its lost foreskin every day…..
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Well, engage with the evidence if you so choose. Let’s go toe to toe, shall we?
But yor types don’t engage in any factual matters whatsoever. You are a schismogenetic troll, of the Hegelian type.
BTW, your mother contacted Mastercard to get a chargeback on her abortion fee from American Family Planning.
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You should see what these people are doing to kids with webcams in the Ukraine….
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I’d like to see you prove that, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese, you lying, hypocritical sack of shit.
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I BET you would LOVE to see it.
You see, that’s what I said about you the first time: you are a pedophile.
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You see, that’s what I said about myself the first time: I am a pedophile.
FTFY, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese. YW.
Just as I expected after seeing facebook's method of verifying users.
This
By passing this bill, you effectively turned all websites into a variant of facebook.
Bill needs a new name: On the Internet no one knows you’re a dog… till now.
I visit far too many American (and I presume Californian) websites anyway.
Any website trying to pull this shit on me would instantly go onto the “do not visit” list.
The sock puppets for the age verification businesses/whatever must think we are all children if they believe we’ll swallow their garbage assurances.
easy to circumvent
step 1: goto http://www.thispersondoesnotexist.com
– generates a face of a person that has never exited and will not exist with perfect rendering.
– Use an app to graphically animate the face to speak a phrase – many exist
Bonus step: Create a synthetic macro to do the above steps and automate it and flood their database with fake faces, just for the hell of it.
People will always figure out a way and there will exist sites that don’t require this and they will capture all of the business.
Kind of like stores that still require masks compared to those that don’t. Guess where 90% of business goes?
This is hilarious.
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good
Thanks for all these comments.
The aim of the Age Appopropriate Design Code Act is to reduce the amount of harm suffered by children when they go online. That may be through contact, content, conduct or even contracts they sign.
This does not require perfection – a solution which ensured a user was AT ALL TIMES over 18, for example, would require permanent monitoring, with minute-by-minute checks they’d not gone for a glass of water and been replaced by a 4 year-old.
Literally no-one is advocating for that.
Policy makers are simply looking for ways to reduce the currently unmitigaged risk to minors of exposure to harms. That will require some friction in the process – just as it’s annoying to have to find your license before you can buy a six-pack. But the store owner does not then follow you home to check you don’t hand a can to your daughter – that check at the point of sale is considered enough by society to stop her simply buying the beer herself.
So yes there will be some inconvenience to adults. But the alternative is to treat everyone online as if they might be a child, and that’s not a great outcome.
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I never have to show my license when buying alcohol, so what’s your point?
Storing people’s images on a server somewhere is a disaster just waiting to happen, or don’t you read the news?
My online viewing habits will remain “frictionless” because I will never willingly provide my image to some random third party.
Not.Gonna.Happen.
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Having to send photos or similar sensitive information to arbitrary and untrusted third parties on the internet is not remotely the same thing as showing your ID to a human cashier, and the legit concern of some sketchy company holding onto and misusing your personal info is just a little bit more than an “inconvenience”.
Additionally, there are plenty of places more analogous to the internet where no such restriction applies — a kid can go to the library and browse the adult section, and the librarians don’t give a damn, yet somehow libraries are not exactly dens of child-corrupting sin and horror.
It sure isn’t! But treating everyone as a child is not the sole alternative. Basic checkboxes, landing pages, and warnings are plenty to deter minors who aren’t intentionally seeking out mature content, and if a kindergartener is accessing mature content on a site clearly labeling it as such, the issue isn’t “why isn’t the site stopping them from checking the I’m-over-18 box” but “why the hell was a kindergartener left unsupervised with unfiltered internet access”.
(Meanwhile, a minor who knows what they’re doing and wants access to adult content will simply find new and exciting ways to lie about their age. Even in this site’s own comments section, people are pointing out the obvious tools like AI-generated faces and deepfakes — workarounds that will probably become popular with teens and adults alike, because this solution is desirable for pretty much nobody but preachy moralists, privacy lawyers, and sketchy data-gathering companies.)
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The aim of the Age Appopropriate Design Code Act may be to reduce the amount of harm suffered by children when they go online, but the actual effect of the Age Appopropriate Design Code Act will be to increase harm to children as well as force Internet-based businesses out of California. I’d accuse you of lacking foresight, but… Actually, you do lack foresight. Gormless wazzock.
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It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.
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You, like many politicians, are suffering from harm thinking about what children may run into online. Indeed age verification will do little to prevent the more damaging things online, like pressure to be thin, being befriended by adults pretending to be kids etc. Those problems are difficult to solve, and have require content analysis rather than age verification.
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Pure bullshit-good parenting solves all these problems, not better tech.
Said no one actually concerned about child welfare, ever.
No child ever died from seeing boobies and weinies, but the US-FVEY’s social media and other propaganda delivery systems are LOADED with war porn and police brutality–what exact message is it that you professional concern trolls have for children, exactly?
And
Understatement of the year, in the total surveillance society built by and over-run with British white knights and their false equivalencies of child safety.
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How soon before you dial back on this statement, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese?
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How long before ANYONE here EVER finds ANYTHING that you say to be valuable in ANY way, Russian troll?
Riiiight. [Looks around, sees NO ONE holding their breath waiting. Looks back at schismogenesis troll Thing 1, rolls eyes]
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[Looks around, sees NO ONE holding their breath waiting. Looks back at schismogenesis troll Thing 1, myself, *rolls eyes*]
FTFY. YW, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese.
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How long before ANYONE here EVER finds ANYTHING that you say to be valuable in ANY way, Russian troll?
Weird, I could have sworn you’re a CCP-aligned troll. Who knew?
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Weird, I could have sworn that you were searching for your lost foreskin, like a headless body stumbles for its corpse.
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Just because you were unlucky enough to be one of the many who gets cut in America, there’s no need to take it out on me through envy, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese.
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Nice try at getting a peek at my dick there, truckstop lurker-perv.
But your sympathy or how the American herd was mismanaged in the last century along those lines of ritual castration is appreciated.
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Nice try at getting a peek at my dick there, truckstop lurker-perv.
You’re the one that’s a pervert because AC never asked for a dick pic at all.
But your sympathy or how the American herd was mismanaged in the last century along those lines of ritual castration is appreciated.
*hisses through teeth* You do indeed have my sympathy. How do you cope? Implants and testosterone injections?
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So because a lot of parents do not monitor and assist their children with online activities – all adults must be inconvenienced?
Ironically, these are the same parents who worry about letting their children outside because ‘paedos and traffickers’ but have no problem with letting their little darlings loose on the internet, unsupervised.
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You win. that is western culture ENTIRELY. Letting “the internet” raise their kids. Stupid, sick, and evil.
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You win. that is Chinese culture ENTIRELY. Letting incels like me anywhere near kids. Stupid, sick, and evil.
FTFY, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese. YW.
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It really bothers you that China doesn’t have the British-Israel Abrahamic Trifecta internet brainwashing problem doesn’t it? No one there cutting the weinies of little boys, and teaching girls that boobies are burdens.
There’s no way for people like you to slip religion, pornography and tranny education to the kids there, ay?
Cuz kids need what you are selling, right? Rules based world order something something, bioweapons-for-health and bombing nuclear plants something, as UN inspectors arrive…. and our values something or other….
You are seething, like that rainbow meme with the crying pink haired girl.
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So much prejudice against marginalized groups in one “comment”. No wonder your mother tried to abort you!
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No, it’s not, and you know it’s not.
The aim is to let a whole bunch of people to say “Look everybody, we’re Doing Something!” The aim is to get political points just before the midterms. The aim is to “stick it to Big Tech” while letting Big Telecom get away with its usual bullcrappery (so basically a content moderation bill). The aim is to tell the First, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments to go f-ck themselves. The aim, especially with your suggestion of using facial identification/recognition, is to make all us proles become used to having little to no privacy online.
George Orwell’s 1984 was a warning, not a how-to guide. How in the high holy hell do you people not get that?!
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Fuck off, clown.
Re: Big Tech has already destroyed trust
The entire business model of Facebook, Google, et al is to collect information about the people who use their services. They claim to protect your privacy by associating all of that data with a “non-identifying” token. What better token than a PICTURE OF YOUR FACE?
A picture or video of my face provides a lot more data than just my estimated age. Racial profiling (or just racial data collecting)? Easy. Gender data collecting? Celebrity spotting?
When I buy alcohol, I’m dressed appropriately. Why would I trust big tech or any anonymous internet data collector to limit the analyzing to “just the face?”
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And what then will you say when perfection is, in fact, demanded? There’s been far too many oversteps in a bid to supposedly protect children that involved massive penalties or limitations, foisted upon otherwise innocuous acts, like a child chewing a Pop Tart in the shape of a gun or a couple getting prosecuted for putting their child’s pictures online.
You might not ask for perfection now, in the same way that people demanding for stricter copyright enforcement and mechanisms insist they’re not looking for “perfection”; they’re just asking for possibly infringing material to be automatically identified before it even appears on YouTube with no room for error.
Neither does the store owner make a copy of your license for future reference, or just in case.
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China already fucking does something similar, and it’s already been bypassed by kids renting IDs.
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Also, how sure are you that random bad actors don’t abuse this process to steal children’s identities?
Because this seems extremely unsafe to me and ripe for abuse.
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China has a strict ID-to-phone policy, forcing anyone with a phone to register name, ID, and face with the telecoms. After that, the internet is so limited in western terms of “access” that its a non-issue: there simply isn’t the same social structure to cause the concerns we see in CA and elsewhere.
The real work-around is the computer bars where anyone can get access to ID, and as you noted, using a big brother or sister’s ID, and everything else; VPN’s are everywhere.
But the reality is that no one gives two shits what you do, as long as it doesn’t enter the realm of “public safety” or cause “disorder,” and Chinese culture simply does not encourage or tolerate internet use by kids-the general rule being that “it’s bad for your eyes.”
In other words, Chinese internet is full of loopholes, and too big to police effectively in ANY way, and kids are not under the same or even similar pressures described herein.
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Your analogy doesn’t make sense. You need to show an ID to a cashier to buy alcohol, sure, but not to enter the grocery store at all which is actually what your bill wants. The closer example would be having to show a currently valid ID just to enter the grocery store premises because it could stock some form of alcohol or brightly colored cleaning agent (given how loosely ‘harmful to kids’ is defined).
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It will be really inconvenient for you if you don’t have a market for your stupid, invasive crap, you mean.
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But the alternative is to treat everyone online as if they might be a child, and that’s not a great outcome.
So are you going to buy me a webcam. If not, then you’re either compelling me to buy something I shouldn’t need to access the Internet, and treating me as if I might be a child if I refuse to spend money I shouldn’t have to.
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Warden Newsom loves his fascism
Newsom and his communist junta in Sacramento never met a government intrusion they didn’t love.
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As does Ron Desantis, that fucking clown in Texas, and, oh, right…
Trump.
Both parties want to establish authoritarian regimes and total control over their citizens.
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Warden
fascism
communist
junta
Just a sample of the many many wards that you use without knowing the meaning of.
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That’s hilarious, coming from an actual communist troll like you. Extra points if you can even pronounce any of those words, much less define them appropriately, AC.
In the meantime, it feels so….so….schismogenetic in here. Could someone pass me the Hegel’s?
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TBH, I’d be surprised if you could pronounce any of those words given how busy your mouth always is, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese. Tell me, does dick taste as salty as what comes out of it?
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Re: Re: Re:2 Exactly why is this type of troll not banned here?
Oh, yeah: “gotta get the gay kids excited about The Tech at all costs even that! I mean…that?!”
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They don’t get banned because they are part of Techdirt’s platform. Employees or contractors.
As you have noted, at least one of them has access to TD’s Cloudflare account.
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Proof of your trolling, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese. Using outdated information in your response to yourself. Flagged.
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Yeah roll, you take the proof anywhere you want to take it–you dick obsessed old queef. There’s no need to validate that further. Thanks for playing!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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You’re the one sucking Chinese dick for a living, as you’ve already revealed, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese. BTW, your mother called Mastercard to get a chargeback on her abortion fee from American Family Planning.
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Just as soon as your mother gets that Joe Brandon government money for tranny experimentation for doing what she did to you.
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Just as soon as my mother gets that Donald Trump government money for MKUltra experimentation for doing what she did to me after her attempt at aborting me failed.
FTFY. YW.
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Nice hypocrisy, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese. Flagged.
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All together now FUCK YOUR FEELINGS!
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We Need to Keep Kids Safe Online: California has the Solution
Every day children are using a digital world that is designed by and for adults, where they are nudged to give up their privacy, offered harmful material, and exposed to risky contacts and behaviors.
To protect Californian children’s privacy and safety online, California State Assembly members Buffy Wicks (D) and Jordan Cunningham (R) have introduced the bipartisan California Age Appropriate Design Code Bill (AB 2273).
With this Bill, California has the chance to lead the way in making the digital world safe for American children.If the California Age Appropriate Design Code were passed into law, companies would have to consider the privacy and protection of children in the design of any digital product or service that children in California are likely to access.
We know the practical impact this can have on children, because the Bill is based on a UK law that has already prompted Silicon Valley’s biggest names to innovate in the best interests of UK children. For instance:
Google have made SafeSearch the default browsing mode for all under 18s.
YouTube have turned off autoplay for under 18s and break and bedtime reminders are turned on by default.
TikTok and Instagram have disabled direct messages between children and adults they do not follow. You can learn the full details from https://enterprise.affle.com/mobile-app-development
The Google Play Store now prevents under 18s from viewing and downloading apps rated as adult-only.
These are just a handful of changes that will make children’s experience online safer.
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Do you know what the biggest danger to children, and especially girls, is? Its is magazines etc. that push an idealized appearance. Why worry about website design when magazines targeted to teenagers are much more dangerous by misrepresenting reality.
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Why did you gender danger as something only girls experience? And–when was the last time a “girl” picked up a magazine, rather than a cell phone? Honey–kids today don’t even know what magazines ARE.
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Claimed the troll that sucks Chinese dick for a living. Fuck off, ROGS.
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Well, thanks for your homosexual analogy/gay sex obsessed view from the Angry Flaming Globo-Homo seats there at GCHQ-JTRIG–what was that bit of yours about dickcheese, sheitfartface?
Seriously, your mother must have dropped you on your ead a time too many cupcake. In case no one told you, that ruins the frosting.
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So much projection from such an insignificant little troll, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese. Flagged.
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Re: Re: Re:2 Techdirt, why do you allow such blatant racism on your forum?
As if sucking Chinese dicks (not that there’s anything wrong with that!!!) is somehow a lesser evil than AC’s corn holing swine( and each other) in an ADL boardroom, as JTRIG-CIA-Mossad flips the bird to the entirety of “free speech” online?
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I suppose you’d know all about a-holing swine, wouldn’t you, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese? Which member of the Piers Gaveston society were you when David Cameron fucked a decapitated pig’s head?
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Eeeew. Too much information! That part about your pig’s head fantasy! I wanna ask–did it hurt when mean Mr. Cameron did that to you? I bet your head still hurts.
But now that baseless conspiracies theories are your thing, I do have the inside skinny on you, Epstein, and Comet Pingpong.
You always ordered the word salad.
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More projection, obviously. After all, you were actually there.
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Eeeew. Too much information!
That part about your pig head! I wanna ask you–did it hurt when mean Mr. Cameron did that to you? I bet your head still hurts. Show me on the butcher block where he touched you?
But now that baseless conspiracies theories are your thing, I do have the inside skinny on you, Epstein, and Comet Pingpong.
You always ordered the word salad with a side of dickcheese, right? Confirm for publication?
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If you don’t like word salads, then stop providing them, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese.
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That part about your pig head! And I still am not coming to your funeral, regardless.
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That part about my pig head!
I know. Why would you even do that when fucking a live pig is disgusting enough?
And I still am not coming to your funeral, regardless.
Good. I don’t want a bestiality-obsessed pervert like you there anyway, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese.
Re: If the UK law is already working...
If the UK law is already working to make children in the United States safe then why do we need this California bill to become law? There are huge downsides to this bill, and we need to suffer those huge downsides because of something existing UK law is already addressing because…. why exactly?
And I noticed that you didn’t address any of the downsides to the bill. Instead you just restated why you think the bill is needed. That’s hardly convincing.
Re: How do they know?
Just to take your first example, safesearch being the default for under 18s … it takes literally one click to change that default. Also, kids probably lied about their age years ago to get a Gmail address when they were under 13, so Google won’t have their correct age anyway.
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Just to take your first example, safesearch being the default for under 18s … it takes literally one click to change that default.
Not to mention the fact you have to have a Google account to change the default, which is a privacy issue when it comes to Alphabet.
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Fuck off, AVPA shill.
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Spam.
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Ah, the irony of yet another one word AC-hole insight.
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Ah, the irony of yet another attack on an AC by DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese while posting as an AC.
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Proof or GTFO
And:
That part about your pig head! Eeeeew!
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You just provided the proof by posting about that pig’s head you fucked alongside David Cameron, so you GTFO, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese.
Re: I hope you at least get paid to be stupid
You seriously made a profile to come here and dump a hot steaming load of “won’t someone think of the kids?”
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This you bro?
https://californiaaadc.com/
Facial recognition
Gonna take a picture of the neighbors cow and make a mask.
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Devin Nunes would like your contact details……..😉
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Be careful, two of the AC’s here have animal fetishes. Protect your cow!
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I thought your fetish was for Chinese dick, actually, DBA Phillip K. Dickcheese.
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Exactly how is a comment like this AC-hole above acceptable anywhere online? It’s in clear violation of TD’s comment policy.
That said, I hope that Zionazi AC blows his brains out tonight.
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It’s in clear violation of TD’s comment policy.
You haven’t explored Techdirt much, have you, ROGS? It doesn’t have a comments policy, you ignorant incel.
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That’s not a good idea. The maximum age of a cow is only 20 years, not old enough to buy booze in the state of California.
Just Leave California
Mike, seriously. Just do like every other Californian and come to Texas. What’s one more? At this point, Dallas and Austin are basically California 2: ~~Electric~~ Gasoline Boogaloo anyway.
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I’d suggest either Oregon or Washington State, honestly.
Texas seems like a terrible choice, considering what Techdirt does…
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Sure, let’s all move to somewhere that some nobody online recommended that we move to.
[packing bags now]
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*whoooosh!*
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whoooosh! yourself.
Re: There are better places
Move to Texas? Where Ted Cruz is? No way.
Also, Texas needs to weatherize its electricity generation, especially its natural gas power plants.
I draw the line at handing off my ID, or showing my face with my ID, or scanning my ID to send it to a third party provider. Or the government.
Scanning my face, providing video clips of me moving my head around, or anything that requires me to show my face, is straight out of the question. And I don’t care if you’re an investing firm, crypto broker, or whatever company.
I’ve been bitten once and had my identity stolen, not letting that shit happen again.
I guess I won't be using the internet anymore
I block popups and have my camera permanently blocked (would disable it if I could).
Although the mask idea sounds fun. Let’s see, I choose…the xenomorph from Alien!
“ramped up their smear campaigns and lies — including telling me that I’m not covered by it (and when I dug in and pointed out how I am… they stopped responding).”
This kind of BS makes me ill, I experience it all the time and it’s unforgivable. You tell someone they’re wrong and why they’re wrong and they reply with a kinda snide contempt, demeaning and maligning you and then, you demonstrate they’re full of shit with proof and all they can do is disappear. They’re craven weasels, profoundly dishonest cowards without a shred of integrity. In any future discussions with or about the assholes, their lack of character should always be made a big part of the conversation.
Gotta love how this link to similar initiatives feature parents who should NEVER have had children:
https://californiaaadc.com/
“Oh, my kids are on social media and app’s all night! I can’t possibly stop them!”
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Fucking hell, pedo guy’s back with yet another new sockpuppet. Flagged.
So – the same people who insist on porn in elementary school libraries and want kindergarteners to twerk at pride parades want to scan everyone’s faces to protect kids? Really?
As with everything else in CA the govt will figure out how to screw it up
There is a simple solution which is the most likely to happen. 1) if site is in CA it will have to relocate costing CA tens of billions 2) if site is outside of CA it will have to actively block CA residents. 3) if you as a visitor come upon a site that requires face recognition to use, go elsewhere – the sites that require it will quickly go out of business and thus there wont be revenue for the facial AI idiots.
Every site that implements this will see user numbers drop through the floor. The net result will be an increase in bribes to Sacramento politicians to remove the law. That is probably the real point. California is the third world running on decades old reputation and great weather.
Sounds like the pedos
Sure sounds like the pedos who keep trying to insist they have the right to view inside kids’ bedrooms for “school safety” are at it again.
That really is the only reason they “need” to see a picture every time.