Funniest/Most Insightful Comments Of The Week At Techdirt

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This week, our first place winner on the insightful side is That One Guy with a comment about how Murdoch-pushed social media news taxes in some countries have made Facebook lose interest in news:

Appeasement doesn’t work? What a surprise

Give an inch and they demanded a mile, who could have seen that coming from an industry that thinks they are owed money from the people sending traffic to them for free?

Nice that Facebook at lease might have caught on that no amount of money will ever be enough for the parasitic publishers, I look forward to future articles where they’ll be screaming about how Facebook removing any links to their stuff is an abuse of power and the government needs to step in and force them to carry and pay for news.

In second place, it’s Keroberos with a comment about the moral panic study showing Instagram makes some teenagers feel worse about themselves:

That chart is meaningless. Instagram makes some teens feel worse about themselves. Compared to what? I’d be willing to bet that if you asked that same question of teens (or anyone, for that matter), but changed the word “Instagram” with any other place where they might interact with others (school, home, work, the mall, a party, just about anywhere), you’d get almost identical numbers. About half would say it had no effect, about a quarter would say it had a positive effect, and about a quarter would say it was negative. That chart has some variation, but for the most part looks like an almost normal distribution and actually skewed towards the positive instead of the negative.

For editor’s choice on the insightful side, we’ve got two more comments about the social media news taxes. First, it’s one more from That One Guy, raising a key point about these schemes:

And that is why the larger publishers have tried to make it legally impossible to not charge money for links with laws like this, because they know the smaller outlets will make clear that people can link to them for nothing and completely undermine the parasites trying to demand money.

Next, it’s That Anonymous Coward with a general comment about the situation:

You needed us more than we needed you…

(shamelessly stolen I forget where and when but this sort of proves this idea has always been with us)

Hey, this golden egg is awesome.
But I bet if we cut the goose open, we could get a second golden egg, and we wouldn’t have to wait for tomorrow.
Frankly, I can’t see any downsides to this plan, and I suggest we implement it immediately.
Gentlemen, sharpen your axes.

Over on the funny side, our first place winner is jojo_36 with another comment about the social media moral panic and the Texas rep who has promised a bill to ban teens from the services:

Texas proposes another Social Media Law:

Techdirt: “Ah shit, here we go again.”

In second place, it’s z! with a comment about Elon Musk trying to get out of the Twitter deal:

What happens next?
We all get a double popcorn and set back to watch.

For editor’s choice on the funny side, we start out with kvh and one more comment about the social media panic:

I assume when Texans here one of their politicians planning on banning minors from social media they think he’s planning on banning minorities from social media.

Finally, it’s an anonymous comment about Ben Smith’s Semafor launch event and his disastrous interview with Tucker Carlson:

Glad we got to hear Tucker’s perspective. He just doesn’t have a platform of his own where he gets to say whatever bullshit comes to his mind.

That’s all for this week, folks!


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Bergman (profile) says:

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In my experience, the mind is the first thing to go once someone starts experiencing any kind of radical polarization. Political, religious, scientific, doesn’t matter.

They literally have topics they aren’t allowed to think rationally about.

The thing is though, your own statements make it clear you’re pretty polarized yourself.

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James Burkhardt (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

Oh goody! I get to engage an AC who outed his prior stupidity. (im gonna assume the various AC’s are one person, and that person is you, for the framing of this post. In the event you are a different AC, That does not change the conclusions of the analysis below)

your original statement:

What is the likelihood that people will just copy/paste entire articles because they can’t link to them? Section 230 says a website isn’t liable for that infringement unless it encouraged it, after all.

Tooms’ pointing out the error in your statement:

You lied that copyright infringement is immunised by Section 230, a claim exclusive to ignorant anti-230 trolls because in the real world copyright is explicitly exempted from Section 230 immunity in section (e)(2):

(2)No effect on intellectual property law
Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit or expand any law pertaining to intellectual property.

Your attempt to dispute Tooms’ claim:>You’re the one lying, actually. All I said was the website couldn’t be sued for it. I never said or even implied that the rights holder couldn’t go after the actual infringer. You made that leap all on your own, destroying your argument with a logical fallacy.

You have strawmanned what is being said.

You claimed that section 230 could be asserted against copyright. It can not. The protections against litigation provided by Section 230 do not apply to Intellectual property cases. This is why Viacom v Youtube centered around the question of ‘red flag knowledge’ and safe harbors – copyright is under its own law, the DMCA. the DMCA does provide a similar legal protection as section 230 – the safe harbor provisions. its not as strong or robust, but they are how you get 230-lite protections.

No one is claiming that News Corp couldn’t sue a user who posts an entire article in a facebook post. We are claiming that Newscorp could, in the case of copyright infringement, also sue facebook.

Lets say News Corp issued a DMCA takedown over user generated content and Facebook refused, losing DMCA protection. When News Corp sues, the question is could Facebook claim section 230 to get the lawsuit dismissed? No. Because Section 230 protections do not apply to intellectual property. When you say “All I said was the website couldn’t be sued for it.”, you are lying, because explicitly, the website could be sued for it.

Tooms was 100% in the right on that one.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:6

Because copyright infringement is always a federal criminal case?

What’s this got to do with whether or not a site can be sued or not? But it’s an interesting point you bring up, because by all appearances, one thing that plaintiffs in copyright infringement cases absolutely want to avoid is having their case treated as a criminal case. Because the moment it gets dragged to the criminal courts they’ll have to contend with the fact that their IP address evidence isn’t worth the toilet paper it’s written on.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:10

Add to the substantial similarity of the comments, and you’ve got a pattern. I just find it funny as hell that all this happened because you had a shitfit when Bayside Advisory was referred to as “copyright’s law best and brightest” and you started simping harder than a Belle Delphine fanboy.

Toom1275 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5

If you’re looking for a place to stay, you can live rent-free in AC’s head by doing nothing more than debunking one of their evidence-free lies. I’ve been staying there since at least the time I comprehe sovely debunked his lie that Texas’s Republicans didn’t officially declare that when they say “Conservative viewpoints” they mean “Holocaust denial, vaccine disinformation, and terrorism.” Stephen’s been resident for even longer, and looks like James is our newest neighbor.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:6

If you’re looking for a place to stay, you can live rent-free in AC’s head by doing nothing more than debunking one of their evidence-free lies.

Projected the lying hanger on.

I’ve been staying there since at least the time I comprehe sovely debunked his lie that Texas’s Republicans didn’t officially declare that when they say “Conservative viewpoints” they mean “Holocaust denial, vaccine disinformation, and terrorism.”

Links.

Stephen’s been resident for even longer, and looks like James is our newest neighbor.

And yet more lies for which there is no evidence, thus my earlier accusation of projection.

Toom1275 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:7

Links

Since I’ve never once made an observation that wasn’t based on the evidence: Here, you can have my comment containing all the original primary sources I provided to the previous bad-faith demand for them, that the AC troll who has only ever deliberately lied about me conspicuously ignored:

https://www.techdirt.com/2022/02/11/penguin-random-house-demands-removal-maus-digital-library-because-book-is-popular-again/#comment-1815405

Toom1275 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:7

And yet more lies for which there is no evidence, thus my earlier accusation of projection.

All you prove with that claim is that you’re not above gaslighting about the contents of the very thread you’re trolling.

Just because you have an attention span shorter than planck time, doesn’t mean everybody else who’s capable of reading will have forgotten your trolling of James for debunking your lies just a handful of posts above.

ECA says:

Re: always interesting to see the replies

In a long life Iv learned many things, including abit of philosophy.

The logic of the mind is very simple, and simple answers are easier to accept then any others.

The smartest persons, tend to be Quiet and Listen. Make no opinion until you understand All sides.

Always give doubt to your veracity and knowledge, but as soon as you open your mouth, all is gone.

When I was Young, I heard all these strange bad comments about others Like rag head, and BLANK, AND BLANK and water melon and Chicken.
I went and looked up these strange comments and Found either reasons WHY others did things different, or the comments were lies, Or that I LIKED CHICKEN AND WATERMELON ALSO.

Teachers tried to teach us to read between the lines, and I only learned 1 thing about it, you MUST know Everything about a situation BEFORE you can read between the lines. Thats isnt easy.

I was raised without Bias, I try to find and define WHAT the meaning of a Crass connotation is. What a person means. then I TRY to find out HOW they got that idea/concept, meaning.
90% of the time, it was someone else’s Comment. from TV, Newspapers, from Another that didnt know better.

Anonymous Coward says:

Facebook does not want to deal with greedy big corporations who want to break the Web by charging for the honor of sending customers to outside websites , once you pay one cartel you. Ll have to deal with them in many country’s, unfortunately there’s no genius like Steve Jobs around to deal with greedy publishers like he dragged the music industry into the digital age by launchi
The iTunes , the ipod etc
Of course it can afford to drop all news from fb Australia when it has meta Instagram and billions in advertising deals around the world

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James Burkhardt (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2

I’d point out that ignoring mainstream science and instead pursuing quack theories of naturopathy would qualify as both ‘creative’ and ‘imaginative’. It was a willingness to find creative and imaginative solutions to his cancer that to his susceptibility to the quackery that pervades some forms of veganism.

I’d also like some evidence that Issacson’s perspective on genius informs the definition used by the AC, or myself.

Merriam-Webster: Genius Defninition 5. A single strongly marked capacity or aptitude.

That seems to entirely fit my use case of “Marketing Genius”.

James Burkhardt (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

Read again:

the application of creative and imaginative thinking

I posed that such thinking is a double edged sword. Medical Researchers thinking creatively and imaginatively can come up with new ideas that can be refined into revolutionary treatments. Patients with very deadly, low-survival-odds forms of cancer with limited time thinking creatively and imaginatively can delude themselves into believing any matter of quackery. I than made my more cogent point that Issacson’s definition is not the sole defninition, as Merriam Websters definition 5a shows. (Issacson’s definition might fit within the 5c definition, but does not appear to be the most common use)

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:11

Your “single” typo, highlighted:

Oh look it’s Mr “I’m rubber your glue” back to get made fun fir being terminally unimaginative and cry about it, again.

Not only that, but you missed out three commas as well as having an unnecessary one. So not only can’t you spell or punctuate correctly, you can’t count either.

Rocky says:

Re: Re: Re:6

…to almost any situation

Which logically means that in some instances their imagination and creativity leads them down the wrong path – which is exactly what James elucidated to. You are of course free to point out where Isaacson said that no “gifted individual” have ever goofed up in their thinking.

One would think anyone possessing a modicum of reasoning skills would have realized the above which leads me to believe it is something you lack.

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Rocky says:

Re: Re: Re:8

You are one sad simpleton of a troll, you only manage to repeat the same stupid one liners. Perhaps when you grow up you’ll gain some wisdom and wit but everything so far points to that you’ll still be a stupid little sack of shit.

You should try rolling your face all over the keyboard, it would most certainly be an improvement over your current low IQ comments.

Now, let us see if you manage to scrape together some kind of response that aren’t entirely stupid…

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