John Oliver’s Big Whiff: Just Because You Agree There’s A Problem, Doesn’t Mean That This Is The Right Solution
from the not-all-laws-are-good-laws dept
Here on Techdirt, we’ve written about a bunch of John Oliver’s Last Week Tonight shows that are quite frequently directly in agreement with what we write about on Techdirt. We’re often impressed at the level of detail and nuance he’s able to approach complex issues with, while (of course) keeping things quite funny. I know that he has a large, very smart team, that often digs in deep with experts in order to get a complete picture. That’s why his reports on SLAPP suits, voting machines, grandstanding state AGs, police accountability, encryption and much much more have been featured here as worth watching on important topics we’ve covered for decades.
However, I’m quite disappointed in his most recent show about antitrust reform and tech monopolies. I do think it’s worth watching, but it’s missing some important context that I would have normally expected from him and his team.
I think that the video does do a good job addressing some of the actual problems of giant tech companies and their power. Though, I do wonder about using a quote from Jonathan Taplin as support for anything, considering he’s an extremist copyright maximalist, whose screeds against Google and the internet are so full of wrongness that they’ve inspired a whole genre of NY Times corrections.
But, the problem with Oliver’s segment is that while it spends most of the episode laying out legitimate concerns about tech power concentration, it then simply accepts that the two popular bills making their way through Congress will actually help and won’t cause problems. Oliver embraces and supports the American Innovation and Choice Online Act (AICOA) and the Open App Markets bill. However, as we’ve explained, while both bills have some good parts, the only reason Republicans are supporting them is that they know that the bills will be massively abused to litigate content moderation decisions.
Oliver doesn’t mention this or explore the issues. He only mentions Republican support in noting that both Bernie Sanders and Josh Hawley support the bills, suggesting that the only reason the bills have bipartisan support is because they’re “too narrow.” But that ignores that the actual reason they have Republican support is because Republicans see this as a tool to punish and intimidate “big tech” into leaving their lies and propaganda online. Ted Cruz has repeatedly noted he supports these bills because they will “unleash the trial lawyers” on these companies.
And, just after Oliver’s segment aired, Hawley again bragged about using them to attack “woke” corporations:
And, at the very least, I’d expect Oliver and his team, with their willingness to explore nuances, to at least maybe explore why support for these bills are coming from copyright maximalist extremists and populist propagandist politicians.
But… he doesn’t.
Instead, he implies falsely that the only criticism of these bills is coming from big tech “shills.” And while it is true that some of the pushback on these bills is coming from disingenuous sources, using disingenuous arguments, some of the concerns are legit. And to wipe them away and assume that just because he’s accurately laid out the problem, that these bills are automatically a solution is the type of facile, but wrong, exploration of complex solutions I’m used to it from much of the rest of the media, but had come to expect better of from Oliver.
I mean, just as one example, four years ago, Oliver himself did a wonderful piece about how state Attorneys General abuse their positions for political means, often doing the will of certain industries, to attack other industries. And, I should note clearly here that these bills enable state AGs to go after the tech companies. So, if Oliver and his team are well aware of that, why are they downplaying the possibility that these bills might be abused and dangerous, political ways?
As we’ve discussed at length over the last few months, there are fairly easy ways that these bills could be amended to limit the possibility of abuse. But the Democrats sponsoring the bills have refused to do so, because they know they’d lose that critical “bipartisan support.” But, really, that should be the story here. The only reason these bills have bipartisan support is because Republicans know they’ll be abused, and WANT them to be abused. The only amendments we’ve seen have simply been to carve out certain industries after lobbyists complained.
Again, that seems like the kind of story I’d expect to see from Oliver, rather than full throated support for these bills.
Filed Under: aicoa, antitrust, big tech, john oliver, josh hawley, open apps market, state ags



Comments on “John Oliver’s Big Whiff: Just Because You Agree There’s A Problem, Doesn’t Mean That This Is The Right Solution”
Was waiting for this!
When I was watching the show last night I was already anticipating what Mike would be saying about this 🙂
However, as we’ve explained, while both bills have some good parts, the only reason Republicans are supporting them is that they know that the bills will be massively abused to litigate content moderation decisions.
Here’s my (rather simplified) take on this. It’s a bad bill if Republicans love it and a (somewhat) good bill if Republicans hate it, try to get it struck down as ‘unconstitutional’, and/or try to chip away at its provisions. All in all, Republicans aren’t “for the people.”
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The only thing worse than how terribly simplistic that take is… is that it’s nonetheless actually a pretty damn good rule of thumb.
Almost all of the issues John Oliver brings up are solved by better tech literacy. Unfortunately that necessary level of tech literacy for the general population is probably 20 to 40 years away.
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As a long time “IT guy” I used to that was actually a thing. After 20-40 years I know that to be a sparkle unicorn with ever lessening reality as the years go by….
I say this with utmost conviction and sadness….
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Considering how the education system appears to get worse and worse over time, a tech-literate general population doesn’t seem likely to ever exist.
Stadium sized red flag
Oliver doesn’t mention this or explore the issues. He only mentions Republican support in noting that both Bernie Sanders and Josh Hawley support the bills,
That the bills are supported by insurrectionist Hawley should have been a massive red flag that it’s not a good one and has some serious problems, so the fact that he noted that that scumbag supports them but didn’t pause to consider why is seriously disappointing, all the more so because he usually puts together well thought out and researched videos.
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Maybe his research team are on vacation and he had to cobble together last night’s show by himself. 😏
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I think something is off, about the video.
His jokes are to long and to many.
And its Canned laughter, on a live show.
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Who are YOU and what have you done to John Oliver?
I have to admit I always thought he was an alien….
Neither party is good for the internet
Other then politician Ron Wyden, who is good but not great, (remember Trans Pacific partnership) no party neither Republican or Democrat has been good for the internet. Every politician thinks they know the law. THEY DO NOT. We need a pro internet party. Both the GOP and Donkey party do not care about civil liberties or free speech.
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or Chris Cox (R-CA). I want to put in a good word for him.
Stop hoping a comic will dig this deep
This is the guy who more or less said the NSA has our private photos as a means of telling us the NSA is going to far. I think he did a good job at least getting people to even talk about this issue over what normally happens (the issue goes over everyone’s heads).
Does he have a great solution? Well its a solution. At least hes coming to the table and saying, we have a problem, here is at least a way to solve it.
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At least hes coming to the table and saying, we have a problem, here is at least a way to solve it.
Not on this occasion he’s not. Did you even read the full article?
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A bad solution can very well be worse than no solution, all the more so if the problem isn’t in need of immediate fixing and as such there’s time to come up with a good solution.
If I have a gash in my arm and am trying to figure out the best way to handle that someone saying ‘have you tried rubbing dirt in it?’ is not helping.
The only criterion necessary is bipartisanship
Yet another example of the blind pursuit of “bipartisanship” getting in the way of mitigating the potential collateral damage of a bill. Even worse, every time I hear the word “bipartisan” used to describe a bill I now have to remember that “bipartisan” can mean not only “has the support of at least one member of each party” but also “has the support of at least one member of each party, including a member who doubles as a culture war agitator and an insurrectionist”.
We did it! We achieved bipartisanship, so this bill is ready to pass. Who cares that the bill will be a disaster? /s
Sure they can break up big tech, right after they shatter the other monopolies who they keep giving corporate welfare to as they screw customers more & more while offering less & less.
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Strangely enough all anti-trust, anti-monopoly efforts never seem to pay any attention to those other companies and industries, no idea why…
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Because AT&T, Verizon, etc. have nothing to do with tech, obviously. /s
I’m not sure how to feel with the content moderation provisions in the Open App Markets Act. I definitely see why someone would want them passed. Google and Apple have way too much power.
The provisions on side-loading / multiple app stores might be an elegant way of creating a competitive marketplace of app stores without having to touch that.
The original sin of mobile was having a singular centralized app store. Tumblr only could have happened because Apple is a monopoly.
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The provisions on side-loading/multiple app stores might be an elegant way of creating a competitive marketplace of app stores without having to touch that.
How would that impact Google? APK Pure exists and I can sidelload any app I want from there.
Refocus ?
I think you are focusing too much on the politics of it.
maybe it would be beneficial to step back a little, and refocus on the fact that US is already terribly behind EU on big tech regulation. nevertheless, US legislation impacts the whole world.
I am still not convinced these bills open doors to the horrific abuse the way you paint it. and while I agree, lies are a dark problem, I am very suspicious of any attempts to censor propaganda. I do understand your concern and sympathize with it to a degree from my left perspective. however, I think your take is too Americentric and somewhat short-sighted. big tech should not be allowed to strangle everyone around the globe because of American two-party petty squabbles.
principally, it is a good thing when left and right pause their fight and turn their fierce gaze towards mega-corporations.
( still appreciate you & most of your articles tho : )
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I suppose you have to earn your ‘contributions’ from the GOP somehow.
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Or looked at another way, the EU is behind the US on not over-reaching and producing counterproductive outcomes in regulating tech.
I wonder whether Oliver’s employer backs these bills…
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Last Week Tonight definitely isn’t sponsored by any ISPs anymore (you can see his thoughts on AT&T in the segment), but Mike Masnick is definitely paid by Google’s public policy team. Know your sources’ funds.
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This is some epic paid work, Mike. Hope Google is covering you well for this one. Maybe when Last Week Tonight is usually right, and you feel it’s wrong because your sponsor opposes it… it’s that your sponsor has manipulated your views.
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This is some weird obsession. Google has sponsored a few projects of ours, but none in literally years. And we regularly, in fact frequently, disagree with and criticize Google.
I note that you point out that Oliver mocking AT&T, which he did the whole time he was owned by AT&T, is proof that he’s not a shill, but apparently our regularly mocking of Google doesn’t prove that we’re not a Google shill even though our only connection to Google is that they used to sponsor some of our stuff, not own us like AT&T owned Oliver.
It’s almost like you’re disingenuous and not someone with legitimate arguments.