Unsurprisingly, Larry Klayman's Veiled Threats And Insulting Of Judges Isn't Helping Roy Moore's $95 Million Defamation Lawsuit

from the Klayman-&-Moore-Show-heads-to-Manhattan dept

Roy Moore, alleged sexual abuser of teens and apparent front runner for US Senate seat, continues to sue entertainer Sacha Baron Cohen for ruining his pristine reputation. Moore was duped into appearing in a segment with Cohen in which Cohen pretended to have acquired a “pedophile detector” crafted by the Israeli Army. During the bit, the alarm beeped twice in the vicinity of Moore.

According to Moore’s own lawsuit, this subterfuge and subsequent beeping caused him $95 million in reputational damage because it gave viewers the impression he was, and I quote, “a sex offender.” Unfortunately for Moore, this is an impression many viewers likely already had, thanks to an extended news cycle featuring a line of women accusing Moore of engaging in inappropriate behavior with them when they were teens.

Even more unfortunately, Moore has decided to hire Larry Klayman as his lawyer. I suppose if you’re going to lose, you may as well lose as loudly as possible. The lawsuit is far from over, though. So, that’s going to give Moore the opportunity to pay Klayman repeatedly for irritating presiding judges and otherwise fail to advance Moore’s case.

Right now, there’s an argument over jurisdiction. Moore wants the lawsuit to remain in the Washington DC court, arguing that the “injury” occurred in this location since that’s where the bit featuring Moore was recorded. Cohen wants it moved to Manhattan, since that’s where Moore is legally bound to bring a lawsuit according to the agreement he signed with the defendants (Cohen, CBS, and Showtime) prior to taping.

The judge has decided to move the lawsuit to Manhattan despite Klayman’s protests to the contrary. Klayman and Moore were likely going to lose this jurisdictional decision anyway, but Klayman made sure the loss would leave an impression on both the judge in Washington DC and the judges awaiting assignment of the incoming case. Zoe Tillman has the details at BuzzFeed.

Monday’s hearing didn’t start well for Moore, who was sitting in court next to his wife, Kayla Moore, also a plaintiff in the lawsuit. Klayman, Moore’s attorney, introduced his client as “chief justice,” the title Moore held when he served on the Alabama Supreme Court. [Judge] Hogan noted Moore was a “former” judge, however, and had Klayman acknowledge Moore was no longer on the bench. Moore was removed twice from the state Supreme Court before running for Sessions’ seat.

Klayman had another awkward exchange with the judge later in the hearing. Hogan asked Klayman about an argument he’d made in a brief about Cohen and Showtime preferring New York because they were more likely to get a “left-leaning” judge there. Klayman initially said he didn’t believe he used that term, but walked that back when Hogan cited the page number where it appeared. Federal judges tend to bristle at arguments about their political leanings, perceived or real.

Representing a pretty much defamation-proof client in a $95 million defamation lawsuit can’t be easy. But Klayman is insisting on making it as difficult as possible for both him and his client.

In what appeared to be a veiled threat, Klayman told the judge that but for the fact that Moore was a “gentleman,” Cohen wouldn’t be walking around now. Asked to clarify what that meant after the hearing, Klayman told BuzzFeed News, “He would have been punched out on the spot.”

Yes, that’s what everyone’s always saying about Roy Moore: he’s a gentleman. In this case, though, he’s managing to invert an old adage about legal representation. It’s said the man who represents himself has a fool for a client. In this case, the fools are on both ends of the equation.

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Itaka Umbrage says:

It's falsified supposedly objective "evidence" so defamation.

According to Moore’s own lawsuit, this subterfuge and subsequent beeping caused him $95 million in reputational damage because it gave viewers the impression he was, and I quote, "a sex offender."

The stunt was over the line.

As indeed is your repeating of "alleged" claims.

On the meta view: has Techdirt nothing to say that promotes its own positives and isn’t simply nasty? — NO, you hide so much as can your agenda of destroying copyright, promoting piracy, attacking conservatives, promoting corporatism and globalism, including unlimited immigration into the US.

You can’t actually state your own philosophy because know it’s extreme, destructive, and LOONY.

So you’re stuck with endless sniping. And you are not gaining readers, can’t even get the few fanboys and astro-turfing "Gary" out today.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Conviction

With out a conviction it all just innuendo and hearsay.

When people break the law there is a conviction, no conviction means there was not sufficient evidence to prove the crime.

Ethics violations, in this hyper-sensitive age have no meaning, everything and anything can be used as an ethics violation.

Telling that just because our duly elected president likes some one that makes them automatically a bad person. Roy Moore here but I would make the same argument for John Podesta. Punishing someone with out a conviction is wrong.

Gary (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3 Conviction

I’m not accusing him of a crime. I’m saying he’s a scumbag and pervs on little girls.

But it’s easier for you to believe he is a great person surrounded by liars. So be it.

By your reasoning his accusers Can’t be lying, because Moore couldn’t sue them (all of them) for defamation and presented his case before 12 jurors.

Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Conviction

"Ethics violations, in this hyper-sensitive age have no meaning, everything and anything can be used as an ethics violation."

I would think that judges who are peers and worked with Judge Moore would have an inkling as to whether he was ethical or not.

From the linked article above:

"The Alabama Supreme Court today upheld the decision that removed Roy Moore from his position as chief justice."

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re: Conviction

Your pov is not in the mainstream, it is perhaps a tad right wing for most.

Why should I reserve judgment, my own personal appraisal, until or even if there is a trial? That is a bullshit hurdle and individuals are not required nor expected to do any jumping around someone’s dirty laundry just because they have sensitive feelings.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

Telling that just because our duly elected president likes some one that makes them automatically a bad person.

Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, Betsy DeVos, Kristjen Nielsen, Steve Bannon, Brett Kavanaugh, Sean Hannity, Kim Jong-Un, Vladimir Putin, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan…do I need to list more to prove the point?

That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Re:

Now now, the fact that Trump likes someone doesn’t mean they are automatically a bad person just because historically that’s often been the case, it just drastically increases the odds of that being true. I’m sure he’s shows admiration and/or support for someone who wasn’t a terrible person/brutal dictator at some point in his life. Probably by accident more than intentionally, but hey, you take what you can get.

That One Guy (profile) says:

What next, literally slapping the judge in the face?

Falsely presenting his client as a judge to an actual judge, getting caught making claims that they want a certain venue because the judge there are more likely to be sympathetic(which seemed to have nicely blew up in their face), insinuating that their client would really like to punch the defendant with the downright laughable claim that the only thing holding him back is because he’s a ‘gentleman’…

Looks like another entry is brewing for the ‘This is what NOT to do’ book that competent would-be lawyers can refer to.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: What next, literally slapping the judge in the face?

Looks like another entry is brewing for the ‘This is what NOT to do’ book that competent would-be lawyers can refer to.

Competent lawyers do not need such a book, and why help those who should be shut down avoid their fate.

Anonymous Coward says:

I think it’s great that you have moved from defaming the Email guy and the boutique brewery to a litigious, rich, influencial and successful politician, that is likely to hold office again. Really, great move, a former judge with a lot of friends and supporters. I’m happy to see it.

The list of those who understand the nature of Techdirt grows ever larger.

Maybe we could have a pool to bet how many more weeks it will be until Techdirt and their management are back in court in a new lawsuit. LIke a lottery, understand? Let’s say 1,000 spots, roughly the next 20 years, divided into (roughly) weeks. The bet? $1,000. The payoff? A million bucks (- an administrative fee).

Who’s in?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4 Re:

While it is clear that you are absent any morals whatsoever, most normal people do not see the Ten Commandments as a threat. I think this all came about at the behest of Muslim Extremists, who attack and kill Christians all over the world, and finance people like Omar to sit in Congress. Are you a member of the Muslim Brotherhood? You sound like a fanatical Muslim, why else would you attempt to attack the Ten Commandments? Are you wearing a dirty rag on your head?

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5

most normal people do not see the Ten Commandments as a threat

A threat? No. But when a monument of the Ten Commandments is placed in a government building by order of a government official, and the monument itself is (at the least) placed in that building using taxpayer funds, and the expressed purpose of the monument is theistic instead of secular, it is absolutely an illegal breach of the separation between church and state. Moore was booted (the first time) because he refused to follow a court order in re: removing the monument and said he would refuse to follow any similar court orders in the future.

Roy Moore wanted to push his religious beliefs on everyone by establishing Judeo-Christianity (and his specific beliefs in particular) as a state-sponsored religion. He paid the appropriate price for his hubris.

I think this all came about at the behest of Muslim Extremists

Of the three plaintiffs in the (eventually successful) lawsuit against Moore, one was Roman Catholic and two were Southern Baptist.

Muslim Extremists … finance people like [Ilhan] Omar to sit in Congress

Now there is a defamatory statement if ever I have seen one.

why … would you attempt to attack the Ten Commandments?

I do not “attack” the Ten Commandments, nor any specific interpretation thereof. (Besides, George Carlin already did it better than I ever could.) What I “attack” is the idea that a government official should be allowed to install a specifically religious monument with an expressly theistic purpose in a government building. That course of action delivers an implicit warning to those who do not follow the faith represented by that monument: ”You are not welcome here, and you will not be treated fairly here.” We separate church and state in an attempt to prevent such bias in government, including the legal system over which Roy Moore presided.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:6 Re:

But was I right about the dirty rag on your head? You arguments sound Muslim inspired, using the American system of justice and an anonymous Internet forum to attack American values, “Defeat your enemy from within”, the whole Jihadist calling, is that you? Unknown, unnamed, unidentified, random voice on the internet preaching to actual people (like Judge Roy Moore) about what is right and what is wrong? You want to be an arbiter of truth, but remain hidden behind a phony name. Weird.

I mean it’s one thing to stand up for your own opinion, but the combination of hiding together with your moral certainty makes you look dishonest, like many Muslim rag-head Jihadist assholes are. The Honorable Judge Roy Moore is a great American, and you are not. Obviously. Rag-head. That’s your new name. Rag-head Jihad Stephen.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:7

was I right about the dirty rag on your head?

Nope. Agnostic atheist who believes in the separation of church and state. If God exists, she can come down here and get involved with the government herself; we do not need people doing that for her.

the combination of hiding together with your moral certainty makes you look dishonest

…says the anonymous poster who expresses his own moral certainty. Might wanna check on the state of your glass house, given how you are trying to throw me through it.

The Honorable Judge Roy Moore is a great American

If he is so “honorable” and “great”, how come he got booted (twice!) from his position as a judge?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:14 Re:

And this is the world’s tiniest violen, right here between my fingers, playing a sad song on behalf of your bleeding heart. No respect from you. That’s a badge of honor. I’m an American, and you are a proponent of victimhood. You suck, and I am a winner. You are a loser from the word go. You want me to cry for you, loser? Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. And God Bless Roy Moore. And his horse.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:15 Re:

I read you above ranting and noted there is no mention of the Separation of Church and State. This is a well established precedent within our judicial system.

Is this something you disagree with? Should everyone be forced to attend the same church? Should everyone be forced to tithe? Why is it that some are willing to look the other way when it is "their guy"? All the while shouting about law ‘n order.

Funny how you were previously complaining about how uncivil people are.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re:

Three things.

1.) A court said Shiva Ayyadurai’s claim that Techdirt defamed him had no merit.

2.) Funny how you keep talking up Roy Moore as if he was not kicked off the bench — twice! — and accused by multiple women of sexually assaulting them when they were younger.

3.) Your desperation to believe Techdirt will eventually be brought down by a lawsuit makes you a fool; your attempts to hide it behind a veneer of playfulness makes you a dick.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

One important judgement about any “real” individual is the enemies they make.

I take your complaints about me as a badge of honor.

I am an American, with direct lineage to the Mayflower, the Constitution, and the American Revolution.

You are my enemy, by your own choice. You and your friends (likely just you signed in differently) are as un-American as I have ever heard.

Who the fuck are you again? Nobody nothing phony pony? Does that sound about right?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Re:

Yes, completely rent and credibility free. You live hidden, cowering under a false name with no credibility, conscience or moral fiber. There you are, rubbing shit in your hair and screaming. It is amusing to see you dance when your leftist masters pull your strings, and when you try to use your weak brain to construct an argument. Fun, entertaining, and of course, free. You get what you pay for, but in this case, I get to have some fun at your expense.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4 Re:

Yes, your one redeeming quality is that you will play the fool seemingly forever. And when you document your foolishness is threads like this one, about the Honorable Judge Roy Moore who is not and has never been a sex offender, you are contributing to a noble cause.

People read the truth as juxtaposed from your nonsense and quickly understand who is full of shit. Stephen T. ShitStone, that’s you, right? Reply again, please, I love these conversations when you are trying to defame honorable people.

I feel I am a better person than I was before when I invest in such things. Roy Moore is one of the finest judges who ever sat, and this site should be sued for implying and insinuating he is a sex offender. I hope he sues Techdirt, unmasks you in particular, and drags you in front of a jury. Not a jury of your peers, because you are n aberrant asshole. A jury of normal Americans. That would be good. And if he pays, even better, more free entertainment.

I found I sleep better if I write a little on Techdirt first – it makes me content to oppose public defamation of honorable individuals, like Judge Roy Moore.

And there are a LOT more people like me than like you.

Have a nice evening.

Signed,

Your special friend

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5

Judge Roy Moore … is not and has never been a sex offender

That you know of/can be proven in court. Given the number of accusers and their credibility, however, I would think of him as something like Schrödinger’s Rapist.

Stephen T. ShitStone

This is so bad, even Donald Trump would not use it.

defame honorable people

Roy Moore attempted to push his religious beliefs upon the people of the state of Alabama by installing a Ten Commandments monument in a public building. “Honorable” is an…odd way of referring to a Christian sharia enthusiast.

this site should be sued for implying and insinuating he is a sex offender

Opinions based on a claim made by other people, even if the claim is a lie, are not legally actionable. Just look at Techdirt’s (legally protected!) opinion of Shiva Ayyadurai.

I hope he sues Techdirt

I hope he does, too, if only so I can watch his suit crash and burn like Shiva’s did. (At least Moore stands a better chance of getting more than 4% of the vote in any given political race, in any case.)

unmasks you in particular

Not that hard to do, trust me.

and drags you in front of a jury. Not a jury of your peers, because you are [a]n aberrant asshole. A jury of normal Americans.

So a jury of my peers, then.

there are a LOT more people like me than like you

American mental health systems have failed us all, then.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:6 Re:

Wow, I’m going to sleep like a baby tonight. Thanks for the free therapy.

“That you know of or that can be proven in court”. Wow. You’re part of the imaginary sex police that want to punish and defame people based on no proof whatsoever. Similar to Judge Kavanaugh, right? How did that work out for you idiots? Embarrassed forever, something like that, with a Supreme Court justice that will NEVER FORGET? Is that about how it went the last time you tried to smear an honorable judicial individual?

Here’s some place you should visit and like if you love America: https://m.facebook.com/JudgeRoyMoore/

I have seen several posters who desired to know your real identity, if it’s not that hard, why don’t you just expose yourself? Why use a fake name and fake profile? Feeling guilty much?

Did you see Roy Moore ride his horse up to his recent press event? Wow, what a man. He’s a big strapping brilliant judge, it’s no wonder that some people hate him. Remember Kavanaugh? That legacy will live forever. Can you imagine how he feels about the smear he got? How does Roy Moore feel, do you think? Do you think he would trample you with his horse? That would be a meme to remember, don’t you think?

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:7

Not for nothin’, but bringing up Brett Kavanaugh as an “honorable judicial individual” while simultaneously reminding everyone of his potential bias against Democrats and their pet causes when he rules on cases involving them (“a Supreme Court justice that will NEVER FORGET”) kinda…well, no, it overtly makes you a hypocrite. “Honorable” judges tend not to harshly pre-judge a case based on possible political bias; you are saying Kavanaugh will (and implying he should) pre-judge any case involving Democrats or pet Democratic causes in a way that allows him to achieve some semblance of personal vengeance.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:8 Re:

I am saying that your tactics of smearing and justifying and playing word games to promote your cause is about to bring on a spectacular chain of events for you and many others.

You recall when Admiral Mike Rogers briefed Trump on the whole Russian hoax, and Trump immediately left Trump Towers? Remember that? Trump has been playing the long game, all along, and you idiot leftist liars have dug yourselves a hole you will never get out of. Did you read Judge Jeanine’s book? Do you see all the money the authors on Fox have been making? Everyone is getting rich of the attempted treason and torture by the left. Here’s what happens next: Tomoya Kawakita.

The American people have been tortured for the last two years by treasonous traitors, right out in public. Comey, Brennen, Clapper, profiting from their treasonous ways. They will be tried as traitors, and sentenced to death, by the American Public in the form of a 12 person jury. In the end, the won’t be put to death, but they will be banished from the US, never to return.

The next election will be a celebration of the return law and order, and the death of the traitorous movement first identified to Donald J. Trump by Admiral Mike Rogers. Everything in the last two years has been about establishing the evidence for the trial, when many will face charges of treason. Everything in the next two years will be about the process of prosecution.

And then PAETY TIME! American will return to politic mental health, the two political parties will again compromise on important issues, and America and Americans will be rightly proud of the housecleaning.

God Bless America. And God Bless Roy Moore. And his horse.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:9

They will be tried as traitors, and sentenced to death, by the American Public in the form of a 12 person jury. … Everything in the last two years has been about establishing the evidence for the trial, when many will face charges of treason. Everything in the next two years will be about the process of prosecution. … [T]he two political parties will again compromise on important issues[.]

If you sincerely believe even one word of that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that you might want to buy.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:11 Re:

I am saying that your tactics of smearing and justifying and playing word games to promote your cause is about to bring on a spectacular chain of events for you and many others.

Yeah, Shiva’s strategy really paid off for him going against Warren, didn’t it?

Oh, right. Except for the part where it didn’t. Nice going!

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:13

The funny thing is, if Hillary had won the Electoral College instead of the popular vote, you would probably be begging on your hands and knees for the government to investigate her as it has been investigating (and will continute to investigate) Trump and his cronies. And I can all but guarantee you would never once call it a “traitorous plot”, since you have made clear that you believe a plot can only be “traitorous” when it goes against government officials you personally like.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3 Re:

And by the way, there are a lot of decendents of the Mayflower – and many more from the American Revolution. Not so many from direct signatories of the Constitution, but hey, I’m special.

For example: https://familyhistorydaily.com/genealogy-help-and-how-to/are-you-one-of-35-million-mayflower-descendants-heres-how-to-find-out/

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