Do We Really Want Intellectual Ventures And Disney 'Governing' The Internet?
from the don't-think-so dept
The United Nations recently announced the lateset members to its “multistakeholder advisory group” on the issue of “internet governance.” As they state, there are 56 members in the group, 33 of which are new. Considering that this is a group that is supposedly planning to act as stakeholders for “governing” the internet, you would hope that it would actually be representative of, you know, internet users. In fact, the press release from the UN states:
“The Advisory Group members are from all stakeholder groups and all regions, representing Governments, the private sector, civil society, academia and technical communities.”
But when you look down the actual list, a different story appears. It looks like the list is pretty much dominated by government “IP” officials, as well as people from telcos, and then people in the domain name registration field. And then there’s an exec from the world’s largest patent trolling firm, Intellectual Ventures. Oh, and the VP of Global Public Policy Europe for Disney. Because I’m sure we’re all comfortable letting Disney determine how the internet should be governed. Are these really the people we want “governing” the internet? There is at least someone from ISOC (the Internet Society), but I’m having a hard time seeing this as a group of people who should actually represent the public in terms of “governing” the internet.
Filed Under: internet governance, internet society, united nations
Companies: disney, intellectual ventures
Comments on “Do We Really Want Intellectual Ventures And Disney 'Governing' The Internet?”
Well, when you view the internet as a dark ages event like the wild west instead of as a progressive tool, they’re going to look out for their own interests instead of the people who pay their rent.
Do We Really Want Intellectual Ventures And Disney ‘Governing’ The Internet?
They already govern the people through purchased control of the “highest offices”. And like television, mail, telephone, radio, telegraph, smoke signals and many others, the Internet is just an advertising and sales medium.
So who cares? Look! Shiny object ….
i think there should be a simple test to judge whether you can govern the internet. you must be able to completely disassemble and reassemble the average desktop in under 3 minutes. this test should be secret so they don’t train for it. if you can’t you are therefore unfit to regulate technology.
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so you have ADOS as well. it stands for Attention Deficit OooooH SHINY
How it begins...
This is how it all begins. The New World Order is beginning to take its place among the nations. The One World Government is starting with the powerful in America and is reaching out to rule all of the nations. Not one government anywhere can defend its people or its property. Soon, we shall all be slaves. America is coming to rule all of the nations. The biggest nations will fall first, and the smaller ones after.
“Intellectual Property” is the smoke screen that comes before the attack. Nobody will be safe. Have a nice day!
and all the common sense comments and/or complaining wont change a thing! the public are totally discounted from anything and everything until it comes to shelling out cash! all other sectors are not only represented, they completely take over, dictating what is only in their best interests, provided there is no costs involved! bunch of selfish, self centered hypocrites!
How it begins...
The One World Government is starting with the powerful in America
And who owns the One World Government?
How it begins...
Soon? Don’t you mean “since December 23, 1913 we’ve been slaves”?
Why not just sign up to be a “resource person”, as have many members associated with “civil societies” (e.g., EFF)?
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/resource-person
Control is based on two things...
First control the means to get good and services that are needed…Done.
Second control the information that is given to the people to shape the thoughts and their needs…Getting close.
As all good controlists we start with the slogan of Forward.
Their words : http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/scott-galupo/2012/05/02/what-barack-obamas-forward-slogan-really-means
My nominations
I nominate Mike Masnick as a member of this council. Also Rick Falkinge, Glyn Moody, that guy who invented the Internet, also Al Gore, Leigh Beadon, Ron Wyden, a rep from EFF too. Who else?
there's a difference between financially interested parties and stakeholders
how hard is it to understand the difference?
on one hand you have:
people focused on making money
on the other hand you have:
people responsible for (service) being maintained, long term, etc.
how hard is it to understand that these groups are absolutely not ever necessarily correlated?
This is another one of those committees that are designed to produce easy pay-back jobs; money, prestege (sounds good on a resume), staff, expense account and isn’t expected to produce anything serious.
This is another one of those committees that are designed to produce easy pay-back jobs; money, prestege (sounds good on a resume), staff, expense account and isn’t expected to produce anything serious.
And yet another reason why the UN is a lost cause.
No, we want the internet to stay free of corporate and government chains. It’s useful because it’s non-corporate and non-government, as soon as that is no longer true, it looses it’s value to many.
My nominations
Ah-HEEEM! -_-
This is what happens when we say no to ACTA!
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Excellent idea. A simpler test would be to put the applicants in a room with a computer and tell them “you must be able to completely disassemble and reassemble the internet in under 3 minutes.” Those who laugh out loud immediately would be hired. The remainder would have their attempts filmed and posted on YouTube.
The entire reason government exists is to serve itself and to make others serve its own interests. Government is just a collectively created division of a few large business interests, it’s what enforces the private interests of the few.
Ready.... Fight!
(to play devil’s advocate–I don’t believe this argument)
Well, one could argue that streets, power-lines, water-pipes, television broadcast frequencies, and telephone lines are all corporate controlled and government controlled and they still maintain quite a modicum of utility (no pun) for quite a few people.
So the internet will join its other utility brethren in the chains and shackles mediocrity and inept corporate whoring–what’s wrong with that? Is it right that the internet gets to remain free while everything else is regulated and whored to death??
So remember, don’t ask “why lock it up?”; ask “why isn’t it locked up like everything else?”
/super-mega-troll(?)
Oh, almost forgot: freetard pirate fag noobs pudgy kittens apologist raporist magnificent bastards.
How it begins...
One ring to rule them all?
The..
“Government IP officials” are merely employees of the entertainment industry who are “working” for the government. The whole thing is simply a corporate attempt to block “piracy”, which is simply impossible. I am pretty sure that there are zero people in the group who have the slightest interest in the rights of consumers; all consumers are assumed to be thieves.
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Just think yourself lucky you don’t have GLaDoS!
How it begins...
One corp to find them
One corp to bring them all
and in the darkness bind them.
Walt Disney, inscription on coffin.
/s
They couldn't stop the printing press
They won’t stop the Internet either.
See:
http://www.nosafeharbor.com/
See part 3 Intellectual Property.
Subsection: History of Copyright.
If I look at the list I see even more scary people:
A person from childnet (Protection of children on http://www... I can only assume she will be a hardliner)
A person from Chinese government (representing the worlds most monitored internet)
A person from EBU (mostly TV-broadcaster in europe. No doubt close friends of the film industry in the fight against piracy)
A person from Abu-Ghazaleh Intellectual Property (lawyers for hire in certain countries. Primary speciality is protection of IP)
What is truely lacking is people with knowledge about human rights.
They've got to be kidding
I just read the list, and recognized one name — Wendy Seltzer (whose blog is worth following, by the way). She’s a lawyer and has done outstanding work on behalf of netizens.
But I don’t see any network engineers, system administrators, security researchers, software developers, RFC authors, academic researchers — you know, the people who actually built and run and study the Internet. I do see quite a few bureaucrats, politicians, and industry insiders.
So, ummm, no. In fact: hell no.
How it begins...
All your Intellectual Property are belong to us…
The Internet is a “communications” medium. The big companies want to change it to a “broadcast” medium so they can continue thier propaganda and control of the “media”
Once Government can “take down” anything they want we lose our 1st amendment right of free speech…Next is going to be the Gestapo marching down our streets!!
Ready.... Fight!
Not enough nuance….
and
NEEDS MORE COWBELL….
Honestly Mike, I would have them than you, because in your world fair use would apply to everything, artists would get nothing, hold no rights, and we would all live in an IP socialist state. I can’t see that being a very good ending to the story.
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Yes, but he promised coke and hookers so SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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awwww you poor, little, starving artists..
Quick! Let’s cripple and destroy one of the greatest inventions man has ever built for the sake of a few, poor artists.
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The remainder would have their attempts filmed and posted on YouTube.
It’s already there!
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+10 for the find!
They couldn't stop the printing press
“She shared the concern of the Catholic Church over the printing press.”
“She breathlessly shared the concern of the Catholic Church over the printing press, her hand idly caressing the brass platens, feeling the throbbing potential of the massive machine beside her.”
History just sounds so much better rewritten in the Daily Mail style. I don’t know, maybe I’m spending too much time here following links.
How it begins...
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http://www.dollardays.com/i407899-wholesale-american-wrap-extra-heavy-aluminum-foil-12-x-25.html
there's a difference between financially interested parties and stakeholders
there’s a financial interest in freeloading and monetizing content that you don’t have rights to Derpsley
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If they don’t want it to be the Wild West, they need to stop acting like Wyatt Earp and stop shooting down new technologies and websites without trials.
How it begins...
And he turned into a flaming reel of non-safety film if caught outside a dimly lit screening room.
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No, no, they’re Johnny Ringo, not Wyatt Earp. And TPB would be Doc Holliday.
Doc/TPB: I’m your huckleberry.
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Oouuuu …. we no like socialists.
Fascists are much better.
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You all must have been up late last night. Usually at least one troll or shill shows up within minutes of a post.
Them = perpetual control = no use by the public ever.
Not them = let popular and even unpopular culture be free to enter the general culture at some reasonable point.
Nothing socialist in option 2. Option 1 is definitely fascist.
Yes, it is a false dichotomy, but closer to reality than yours.
I’m pretty sure there is never anything honest in your engagement here.
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It isn’t either or. You can still have the internet, you can still make new stuff, you can still share it, give it away, whatever it is you want.
Just stop thinking you have some grand right to do it to everyone else’s stuff, and you will be fine. Make your own.
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You can still keep your works locked up for life + 70 years.
Just stop thinking you have some grand right to do it to everyone else’s stuff automatically, and you will be fine. Oh wait…
IV shouldn’t even be allowed to exist, it doesn’t produce anything and all it does is troll. How the heck do they even deserve representation. Those who contribute something to the rest of society deserve representation, patent trolls do not.
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How appropriate that your random avatar should resemble the Swastika this time.
How it begins...
Anyone else find this post oddly optimistic? I mean believing that not only will our government -not- bankrupt itself, possibly dragging a number of other actors (industries, citizenry, dependent nations) with it, but to also believe that it will rule the world?
Seriously, what’s the NWO’s plan? Make the rest of the western world dependent on US currency, crash its value, then bum rush the rest of the world with the US military before our servicemen’s inflation-adjusted salaries are due?
Why not just nuke them: it’d be faster and the political fallout would be much less. Granted the -nuclear- fallout would be much higher…
Clusterfuck
Looked at the list and it doesn’t appear as if that group can agree on much at all. IP lawyers and repressive regimes, niiiiice.
Yes there are a few names including IV and Disney that absolutely do not belong on the list. Actually anyone involved in IP law doesn’t belong on any internet governance panel. The telcos should be there and the cable companies and probably Intel and HP or even Apple before Disney and IV.
Then again, maybe a lot more technology people should start writing IP law.
UN Human Rights Council and internet freedom
Well, it looks like the UN’s “multistakeholder advisory group” on the issue of “internet governance” will be about freedom and fairness on the internet to exactly the same degree that the UN Human Rights Council is about human rights!
If Kaddafi, Assad, Erdojan, North Korea and China can each have a vote equal to Canada when deciding about human rights for the world, they why can’t Disney, Iran and the Chinese government assure freedom on the internet? What a absolutely lovely idea, all working together for shared values!
Don’t forget, by the way, that it was US President Barak Obama who made the staunch decision for the US to rejoin the wonderful UN Human Rights Council. A wise decision by a man of great morality.
May
Control is based on two things...
“Second control the information that is given to the people to shape the thoughts and their needs…Getting close.”
They had that one down, with the media companies and all, well, until the internet showed up and fucked up their plans
THE INTERNET
our last best hope…….in a universe far far away…. im kidding…..well, the last bit, anyway
Mickey Rat
I’ve dealt with all stripes of humans in a half-century of being dragged behind the pickup truck of life. By far the most evil, most conniving, greediest, lowest scum-dwelling bastards were Disney whags, usually fueled by cocaine and the loving attention of sniveling, adoring young boys. Disney consumes any actual talent and dedication the way flesh-eating virus eats skin, without regard for any long-term mutual benefit…it’s all about this week’s profits, and to hell with everything else! Mickey makes for an excellent RAT; I only have pity for misguided parents who pound the worship of Disney into their young children, in lieu of anything in the world that may be substantial or enlightening.
How it begins...
funny but, walt wasnt the evil one, if you look at how disney has acted since his death and even during his life after he was out of direct control, he would be sick.
he said for example many times he always wanted the price to get into disney parks to be affordable for any American family, if you go check the prices now days, 1 person getting full access is more then a family would cost in his day…even considering inflation.
walt wasnt a fuzzy nice guy, but he wasnt as psychopathic as his successors have been.
he was also a bit of an anti-govt nut from what i have read, he didnt trust the govt,and in some of the designs of his structures and parks it shows, built like bunkers(thick metal doors and such)
just saying, walt isnt the problem anymore then old mr walton was with walmart(he was an honest nice guy by all accounts, unlike his kids who made walmart into what it is today)
Can’t disagree too much with you, AzureSky, and wouldn’t even dream of defending the current hierarchy to you. Walt was a PR genius, no doubt, so his rep remains relatively untarnished. My own experiences came thirty years after Walt’s death, true…as is everything you say and imply about the modern Disneyreich. Thanks for clarifying.