Evidence Suggests Major Film Studios Uploading Movie Clips To YouTube… Pretending To Be Pirated

from the but-of-course dept

One of the tidbits that came out of the YouTube/Viacom lawsuit was the fact that Viacom quite frequently would upload its own clips to YouTube, but did so trying to pretend they were pirated clips. In fact, they would send employees out of Viacom’s offices to local printshops to upload the videos under childish sounding names, like “MMysticalGirl8, Demansr, tesderiw, GossipGirl40, Snackboard and Keithhn,” to make people think they were pirated copies. Not surprisingly, it appears that Viacom was not alone in this tactic. Slashdot points us to an analysis that certainly suggests that pretty much all of the major film studios were doing the exact same thing. There are surprisingly long and clear clips of various movies, uploaded at times perfectly coinciding with major marketing campaigns, and sometimes they can even be connected (with some digging) to marketing firms. Sorta takes the sting out of the claims that YouTube clips are so damaging, doesn’t it?

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thublihnk (profile) says:

Classic move on the part of the movie studios. The authority figure starts taking part in the illicit act, the rebels and ne’er do wells no longer think it’s cool and move on.

Unfortunately, the leaking of test footage from The Avengers will be replaced with Arson, but that’s a small price to pay for continued profits of the movie industry.

Daylyn (profile) says:

Same mentality

I like the way the movie studio’s think. I will take this idea and apply it to the tangible world and get back at someone that I don’t like. I am going to leave something of mine at their place without their knowledge, wait 1 week, and then if that item is not returned, call the cops on them for stealing personal property. If it works for the movie studios, it is bound to work for normal folks such as myself

Grey Ferret says:

Re: Confused

It’s quite simple really. It’s still an Unauthorized Release. It’s just that it has been Authorized. Unless of course, the person who was authorized to release this unauthorized release was authorized by someone who wasn’t authorized to make that authorization. Then it would be an Unauthorized Authorized Unauthorized Release.

Got it? If so, there may be a law firm that wants to hire you.

Christopher (profile) says:

Re: Re: Confused

The bottom line is that there are certain people and organizations supposedly allowed to upload these things online (once a clip is put online, the courts have said that it can be linked to and reuploaded anywhere).

Once that is done, the consensus viewpoint is that ANY uploading of the thing in question, as long as it isn’t changed, is authorized because the people in question ALREADY released the thing in question for no money.

blah says:

Re: Re: Re: Confused

But that’s the thing about Copyright – it’s not directly related to “money”.

If I post something I copyrighted online for “free”, that doesn’t implicitly give others the right to copy it and distribute it freely as well.

I may provide a permissive license to do this (Creative Commons for example, or, say GPL for software) – which grants them this permission with some limitations.

That’s one of the problems with copyright – by default, it assumes nobody can copy it without permission unless it’s covered under fair use.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Umm, no simpleton. They own the rights. They can play it in a walmart parking lot for all that is matters, they have the rights.

Careful too here: Mike is being a bit sneaky here again. First off, they are releasing clips, not the whole movie. Second, he is referencing a time about 4 or 5 years ago when youtube wasn’t owned by Google, and didn’t have “official channels” as it does now. It is sort of dishonest to suggest that what was done 5+ years ago is common currency today.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

Done 5 years ago?

Explain how Youtube has entire movies and TV shows not cut but in only one place?

To get an account to upload entire movies and not have them divided in smaller pieces doesn’t look like is done by normal users.



Search for Ghost Whisperer using the filter to only show videos with >20min.

Either the ContendID doesn’t work at all or those are being authorized by someone.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re: Re:

They have this amazing thing called “user uploads”. I don’t know if that is too complex a thing for you. The very first video I saw (with a stunning 64 views) was recorded off the air (broadcast) and has the network logos on it.

I somehow manage to doubt that this is an official video. These days, if they wanted an official channel,it would be on Hulu or at minimum on a youtube official page.

So sorry, you are wrong, but thanks for playing.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Re:

There is this amazing thing called ContendID that flags every video on Youtube and just to prove that it was flagged if you try to watch it from the U.K. a message telling the video has content from Sony shows up.

So the ContentID is working and somehow a normal user that got an account that enables him to upload entire videos without the normal 15 min limit and it is not being blocked in some countries don’t have the video removed, someone somewhere had to allow it or it would have been deleted already, the filter got hold of it and it is blocking the viewing in some countries.

So either he is a fake uploader of pirate content or he is a pirate and Sony is using him to promote the series, either way Sony authorized that.

Nice playing with you.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4 Re:

Except who handles the ContentID is not Youtube is the content owner.

What are Audio ID and Video ID?

YouTube’s state-of-the-art technologies let rights owners:

* Identify user-uploaded videos comprised entirely OR partially of their content, and
* Choose, in advance, what they want to happen when those videos are found. Make money from them. Get stats on them. Or block them from YouTube altogether.

It’s up to you.

Source: YouTube Content ID
Source: Audio ID and Video ID

Once it was caught by the ContentID it will do what the content owner set there, why are they allowing full videos?

Why just that one escapes the filter?

If it was a Google employee don’t you think the content owner would be making that very public since most of them like nothing but to see Youtube close down.

About assumptions well, well well you was the one starting the assumptions saying that after 5 years others wouldn’t be doing it and all that crapoula of yours, but lo and behold there is strong evidence to suggest that people keep uploading stuff to Youtube and it is being authorized by someone, now you can’t possibly believe that a Google employee is uploading entire TV shows episodes and movies and nobody complained about it, heck the ContentID even flagged the video if they didn’t get the power to shut it down don’t you think someone would be very loud about it?

Are you really suggesting that Google would put content there and lock out the content creator and nobody would complain?

Or it is more plausible that those videos are being upload by the content owner and being left there.

All your base are belong to us!

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4 Re:

Also lets talk reputation.

Google is known for their lack of customer support, but they are not known to put false claims and bogus statistics out in the open, on the other hand the entertainment industry execs are well known for participating in fraud and some even got sentenced in some countries(i.e. France recently), they also have a long history of absurd claims like claiming piracy losses are the size of the entire GDP of countries, they also are known to battle every technology that came along, they are also known for accounting fraud schemes, they are also known to use front companies to shield them from liability, they are also known for trying to pass legislation in the middle of the night, they are also known for stealing and were found guilty in many jurisdictions around the world, they are also known for lying, heck I could go on and on and on but I think you get the point, if I was to look at anybody for wrong doing the content owner would be the first I would pay really, really close attention to, not Google.

And I almost forgot they are also known to have upload videos of their products before and flagged them as piracy and where caught doing so.

So really your excuse is that a Google employee did it?

Have you no shame?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4 Re:

User submitted can be “submitted by anyone”

But only the content owner can authorize it to be up and running after it get caught on the filter.

Short of a nasty bug in the code base or explicit code to keep those things up and the lack of evidence of the contrary those videos are being authorized by the content owner himself and not some random guy.

You see no other videos are there for that show, there is zero other videos for that show, you can try and search it and you will not find one, but miraculously there are 3 entire episodes available in a special account that no normal user pirating would have, because most of them loose their accounts after a third strike, and no idiot would give real information to create a partner account to put pirate videos in there. Heck outside the U.S. everyone must give a phone number to create an account.

So really anyone would upload those videos? really? are you serious?

Stop drinking the entertainment industry Kool-Aid it rots your brains LoL

Marcel de Jong (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Re:

Or they are trying to give Youtube the bad rep for being a harbour of pirated material, when in fact they have put up those materials.
Or they are trying to inflate the piracy-numbers, to have the real numbers appear to approach their fantasy numbers they use in their reports.

It’s the just as much fun as CBS putting a video up on CBS.com and then pull it for infringement of copyright owned by CBS.

thomasr says:

Re: Re: Re:

This is a fact that studios are part of the problem themselves. Why do you think the law firms keep suing people for downloading their work? They put it there and trapped the people who fell prey.

The same thing goes for Google. Even if these are just clips – it gives the studios more ammunition for their TAKE-DOWN notices they keep sending to Google on a daily basis. If there are only a few people that post movie clips and/or videos with someone’s music playing in the background – they have to have more and more in order to make a huge fuss about it, so they put it there! Once they make it out to be a huge problem, then they turn around and claim something has to be done.

Many of your ISPs are now copyright holders/content owners. This is why America lags behind everyone else in fast Internet connections in the first place. These ISPs have argued since the 1990’s that these types of things would happen and would only get worse the faster we are allowed to go on the Internet. So far — they are winning. But not much longer! Technology will always trump corruption – no matter who is at fault!

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