No, I caught it. Apparently Mike missed the part where inducement is the same as aiding and abetting. He's trying to pretend like their different things in the criminal law. They are not. It's all FUD.
So they all create the same legal conditions? That's not the same thing as being the same thing.
"Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal." 18 U.S.C. 2
So all those things mean the same thing? If so, why isn't there just one word that encompasses all those things? Or, why don't they just pick one?
I concede most of your well-laid points. Thank you for taking the time to explain. I agree that education is key to a thriving, free society (that?s the essence of what I think you?re saying). Ignorance is dangerous. But what is the solution?
The Internet brings good along with bad. I don?t see the Internet as being essential to the perpetual problem you describe. It brings more crap, and it brings more opportunities for learning. I mean, here we are having this discussion because of the Internet.
Having said that: we now have a communications platform that connects people and ideas from around the world. It?s a powerful tool. As a wise man once said, ?With great power comes great responsibility.?
See, that is where you end up with the problem. Morals aren't something you put on someone else, it's on yourself. You object morally to shoplifting, but not to "file copying", but for you, the results are the same: you have something you didn't pay for. Legally you don't have the rights.
That is a nifty little trick there. By that logic, taking a CD from a store and throwing it in the trash would be OK, but copying a file would not. It doesn?t hold up to scrutiny.
That is why I think many people lose their moral compass at the modems, they don't seem to apply what they would do in the real world to what they do online.
I certainly would if it were possible in the real world. If I could instantly copy a baritone saxophone, I would not think twice about doing it. Think it through.
That's odd since you've given high praise to Clay Shirky's book "Here Comes Everybody" several times in the past...And yet one of the most striking stories that Shirky tells, quite early in the book, is the story of Trithemius and his reaction to the arrival of the printing press.
Perhaps the story was not as striking to Mike as it was to you; perhaps it seemed rather obvious.
At any rate, you have successfully proven that Mike is human. Sadly, it seems your awesome intellect goes unappreciated as we did not require your brilliant insight on that point.
Apparently, Mike, all the time you spend online has damaged either your reading skills or your memory - or maybe both.
Your concern for your fellow man is admirable. Now, turn off the computer before it happens to you.
I would humbly suggest that you might want to read my book "The Shallows", as it may help you to better understand your affliction.
I would say you?re more of a nuisance than an affliction.
I am, however, indebted to you for teaching me a new meaning for the word, ?humble.?
Thus, it is with the utmost humility that I suggest you meditate on the fact that you are an arrogant jerk. You see Nick, people aren?t as stupid as you may believe (don?t worry: you?re still the smartest one here, just like Mom said). So, people kind of notice when you?re only pretending to be nice. For example, you're not the only one who can see that I'm doing that right now. I sincerely hope this helps, Nick!
Extracting images from the poster and saying "they are from the poster" doesn't negate the fact that the characters and their images are covered as part of the movie.
This is the world you would have us live in and I reject it:
http://mimiandeunice.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ME_255_OwnershipBrick.png
? n , pl -lies
1. exclusive control of the market supply of a product or service
2. a. an enterprise exercising this control
b. the product or service so controlled
3. law the exclusive right or privilege granted to a person, company, etc, by the state to purchase, manufacture, use, or sell some commodity or to carry on trade in a specified country or area
4. exclusive control, possession, or use of something
I suspect you will also get pissed off later in life when you get your license and get a speeding ticket, you will call those laws draconian as well.
If a fine for speeding were more than the cost of a new car, would you not? Please refer to the definition of draconian provided above for your convenience. Punishment alone is not draconian. I think you're pretending not to see that.
Pack your spray paint and head take a vacation in Singapore for an object lesson.
If you give me your home address, facebook login info, and send me pictures of all the contents of your wallet, I still won't side with you, but I'll respect your opinion.
?He still doesn't know the two things about a song that can be copyrighted.?
Either the answer he gave you is correct, incorrect, or it?s not the answer to the question you were asking, but a different question?s answer. Since you haven?t called him out on why the answer he gave is incorrect, I suspect you?re asking a more nuanced question. It?s now on you to say how the question he?s answered differs from the question you asked. Otherwise, it?s more of a riddle that you?ve posed than a gauge of knowledge isn?t it? Riddles are fun, but I'm not sure they're all that useful in this discussion.
Enlighten us. Is his answer incorrect?
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So they all create the same legal conditions? That's not the same thing as being the same thing.
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So all those things mean the same thing? If so, why isn't there just one word that encompasses all those things? Or, why don't they just pick one?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMX8L7Yxyfk
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I concede most of your well-laid points. Thank you for taking the time to explain. I agree that education is key to a thriving, free society (that?s the essence of what I think you?re saying). Ignorance is dangerous. But what is the solution?
The Internet brings good along with bad. I don?t see the Internet as being essential to the perpetual problem you describe. It brings more crap, and it brings more opportunities for learning. I mean, here we are having this discussion because of the Internet.
Having said that: we now have a communications platform that connects people and ideas from around the world. It?s a powerful tool. As a wise man once said, ?With great power comes great responsibility.?
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Mike: I need a couple of extra "funny" votes, please.
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That is a nifty little trick there. By that logic, taking a CD from a store and throwing it in the trash would be OK, but copying a file would not. It doesn?t hold up to scrutiny.
I certainly would if it were possible in the real world. If I could instantly copy a baritone saxophone, I would not think twice about doing it. Think it through.
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*facepalm
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Your insight is trolly impressive.
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Your insight is trolly impressive.
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Your insight is trolly impressive.
http://mimiandeunice.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ME_283_KillingScribes.png
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Perhaps the story was not as striking to Mike as it was to you; perhaps it seemed rather obvious.
At any rate, you have successfully proven that Mike is human. Sadly, it seems your awesome intellect goes unappreciated as we did not require your brilliant insight on that point.
Your concern for your fellow man is admirable. Now, turn off the computer before it happens to you.
I would say you?re more of a nuisance than an affliction.
I am, however, indebted to you for teaching me a new meaning for the word, ?humble.?
Thus, it is with the utmost humility that I suggest you meditate on the fact that you are an arrogant jerk. You see Nick, people aren?t as stupid as you may believe (don?t worry: you?re still the smartest one here, just like Mom said). So, people kind of notice when you?re only pretending to be nice. For example, you're not the only one who can see that I'm doing that right now. I sincerely hope this helps, Nick!
Stay classy.
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You sound like an American. Here you go, Sir! [beer]
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This is the world you would have us live in and I reject it:
http://mimiandeunice.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ME_255_OwnershipBrick.png
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That is exactly the one being referred to. Welcome to the discussion. We're glad to have you!
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Reznor.
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monopoly (məˈnɒpəlɪ)
? n , pl -lies
1. exclusive control of the market supply of a product or service
2. a. an enterprise exercising this control
b. the product or service so controlled
3. law the exclusive right or privilege granted to a person, company, etc, by the state to purchase, manufacture, use, or sell some commodity or to carry on trade in a specified country or area
4. exclusive control, possession, or use of something
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If a fine for speeding were more than the cost of a new car, would you not? Please refer to the definition of draconian provided above for your convenience. Punishment alone is not draconian. I think you're pretending not to see that.
Pack your spray paint and head take a vacation in Singapore for an object lesson.
If you give me your home address, facebook login info, and send me pictures of all the contents of your wallet, I still won't side with you, but I'll respect your opinion.
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?He still doesn't know the two things about a song that can be copyrighted.?
Either the answer he gave you is correct, incorrect, or it?s not the answer to the question you were asking, but a different question?s answer. Since you haven?t called him out on why the answer he gave is incorrect, I suspect you?re asking a more nuanced question. It?s now on you to say how the question he?s answered differs from the question you asked. Otherwise, it?s more of a riddle that you?ve posed than a gauge of knowledge isn?t it? Riddles are fun, but I'm not sure they're all that useful in this discussion.
Enlighten us. Is his answer incorrect?