Asthmatic Kitty Clarifies: It Never Meant To 'Guilt' Fans Into Avoiding Amazon
from the words-are-futile-devices dept
A few weeks back, we had written about the small indie label Asthmatic Kitty, who earlier this year, had impressed us with a really forward-looking attitude, when it came to the music industry, saying (in part):
I operate under the conviction that people buy records because they want to own them, not because they want to hear them. It is too easy these days to hear a record without having to buy it. I don’t resent that fact, rather I feel we at Asthmatic Kitty embrace it through streaming albums and offering several free mp3s (even whole free albums). And why do they want to own it? They want it to illustrate to others their taste and identify who they are as a person. I also believe they want to be part of something bigger than themselves, they want to belong.
Our job is no longer to sell folks things they want to hear. They want an experience and to identify themselves as part of a community. Ownership then becomes a way of them supporting your community through investing in that community. Fostering that in an honest, transparent and “non-gross” way takes a combination of gracefulness, creativity and not taking oneself too seriously, while still taking art and music seriously.
So, we were disappointed last month when the label appeared to have sent out an email concerning the release of the band’s biggest act, Sufjan Stevens, suggesting that Amazon’s promotion of the album for $3.99 was somehow devaluing the music, telling fans:
We also feel like the work that our artists produce is worth more than a cost of a latte. We value the skill, love, and time they’ve put into making their records. And we feel that our work too, in promotion and distribution, is also valuable and worthwhile.
This seemed like a bit of an about-face, and we were also confused as to why the label would allow Amazon to promote its album if they didn’t like the price. I also wondered if such promotional discounts even impacted the label’s bottom line, as everything I’d heard suggest the labels still got the same cut on such discounted albums as they normally would.
John Beeler, who works for Asthmatic Kitty, now points us to an interview with the label’s A&R guy, Michael Kaufmann, where he more or less admits that the label goofed in how it presented the email, and that it was never intended as a guilt trip or to suggest there was anything bad about the Amazon promotion. In fact, he now claims, they were actually excited about the Amazon promotion:
Unfortunately we poorly communicated this point. As Sufjan sings, “words are futile devices.” When we first heard about the potential Amazon deal we were very excited to participate. For a small label like our own this was a great opportunity for essentially free marketing. It is a great program, Amazon is doing this as a loss leader, and therefore we still make the same amount of money we would have made at the regular sale price.
So I am sure many folks are thinking, “What in the world is our problem?” What gave us pause was that we were also offering the album at a higher price and we wanted to make sure our customers knew that it would be available for half that price on street date through Amazon. We wanted to be honest and transparent about the coming deal so that folks who preordered at a higher price didn’t feel like they have been misinformed, or had a lack of information to make an informed choice.
We never wanted to impose any sort of guilt on our consumers. To me this is in large part of what the record industry has been doing wrong: criminalizing music lovers. However, the message when taken away from the intended audience and often taken out of context read as if we were guilting people into buying direct from us. This was certainly not our intention, and if we had known this was how it was going to be perceived, we certainly would not have sent the email.
What we wanted to do was provide choices. And in the process we thought it would be an interesting opportunity to give food for thought on the perceived worth (or value) of an album. But that discussion should have taken place in a different context. The intent was certainly not to criticize of Amazon’s approach. Rather, we hoped to spark conversation and examination of our methods of doing business real time with our customers. We didn’t realize this spark was going to blow something up in our faces. Again, what we intended as a cursory thought of the email became the main focus of its criticism.
That makes a lot of sense, and I apologize for contributing to blowing the story out of proportion, and apparently not providing the proper context, which I was unaware of at the time. I’m still a little confused about the claims in the original email about the “value” of music, but I understand that’s a different discussion. In the meantime, the label seems back to recognizing that it’s important to connect with fans in whatever manner possible, rather than guilting them:
We want them to have the opportunity to hear our releases. We want them to have the opportunity to listen. We want them to take active part in deciding what it is worth to them to own our music by deciding how they purchase. The last thing we want to do is dictate price or guilt someone into a particular point of sale. That is pretentious for us to think we even can. It is a complex mechanism that involves supply, demand and all the other facets that make a market economy. We have our opinion, but that isn’t meant to be an authoritative statement.
We do want to encourage folks to support us, and they are supporting us whether they buy it from Amazon, iTunes, eMusic, Bandcamp or from their local record store. So ultimately their decision of where they buy and how much they pay is trivial, because they chose to support us in an age where it is so easy to just download for free.
Filed Under: music, pricing, sufjan stevens, value
Companies: asthmatic kitty
Comments on “Asthmatic Kitty Clarifies: It Never Meant To 'Guilt' Fans Into Avoiding Amazon”
I say BS.
it sounds like the initial letter from was just a PR stunt, they told them selves we give some music for free and give add to it a empathic story on why they should buy our albums and then they can sell there music.
then they struck a deal with Amazon and they thought they hit the jackpot but when Amazon decided to sell there album for 3.99 they felt insulted and tried to market there album through there site at a higher price and they failed again not only people weren’t buying the album from there site it seems there letter affected there amazon sales as well.
and that’s is when they cam up with the final letter.
you ask me how come i know this? well i don’t i just don’t see how there 2nd letter could be interpreted in any other way regardless of the circumstances.
sry, the first lines were to read:
it sounds like the initial letter from was just a PR stunt, they told themselves we give some music for free and add an empathic story on why they should buy our albums, and then they can sell there music.
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Oh man… and still you left the gmrammar and spelling uncorrected? Hint: don’t bother next time.
“So, we were disappointed…”
News flash: Life’s full of disappointments.
Get over it.
Re: Someone's disappointed?
News flash: Life’s full of disappointments.
Get over it.
Yes, including the fact that we’ll post stuff that you might not like. Get over it.
The problem is this was the first time I (and others) had heard of Asthmatic Kitty. My first reaction was: there’s a record label I never want to support.
Now they have to overcome that hurdle. That’s one more obstacle for them in a competitive market. And although I appreciate the effort put into employing a PR person who can write a retraction, it’s worth noting that they don’t apologize.
I’ve got a few weeks left of hearing people reinterpreting their past actions so people will vote for them. Does anyone ever stand by what they say anymore?
“Does anyone ever stand by what they say anymore?”
…yes, but there’s that pesky problem of always needing to get everything 100% right the first time you say it. We mere humans long for your high-precision world.
Never wanted to impose guilt on customers….
Like we’ve never heard that one before!
group hug time
Should have read
“We value the skill, love, and time that our artists have put into making their records. And we feel that our work too, in promotion and distribution, is also valuable and worthwhile.
We also feel like the work that our artists produce is worth more than a cost of a latte so give Sufjan’s new CD a taste over at Amazon.”
Greedy record companies. Latest figures from CD duplication for retail.
Quantity 2-Panel 4-Panel 6-Panel 8-Folded 8-Book
500 $ 1.58 $ 1.65 $ 1.90 $ 1.95 $ 2.43
1,000 $ 0.89 $ 0.96 $ 1.02 $ 1.09 $ 1.43
2,500 $ 0.77 $ 0.81 $ 0.84 $ 0.84 $ 1.16
5,000 $ 0.68 $ 0.67 $ 0.68 $ 0.71 $ 0.92
10,000 $ 0.56 $ 0.58 $ 0.60 $ 0.62 $ 0.80
25,000 $ 0.54 $ 0.55 $ 0.57 $ 0.59 $ 0.73
You do the math.
Well, first of all, what site are these quotes from? There are all kinds of varying price schemes for pressing CDs, so simply listing numbers is kind of irrelevant.
Second, this is a delicate point, but what a label like Asthmatic Kitty has to look at is CD REPlication. It’s actually a different process, and much more expensive than duplication.
Besides, a lot more than simple manufacturing costs go into figuring the price of a product (This is TD, right? Are we still beating this dead horse?). Let’s suppose AK employs five people. They have to be paid. I presume there would have been some studio costs. Artists for the layout. Photographers and PR people have to be paid. The distributor wants a cut. Amazon wants a cut. Then let’s hope there’s something left for the musicians. And this isn’t even a big “nasty” record company. It’s a small indie. You can see how these costs add up, and why the people in charge of making the company profitable might have an interest in, you know, making the products profitable.
Doesnt help that Sufjan formed the label, and this email was related to his album released on the label.
Still sounds a lot like “dont go there when I get a much higher percentage double dipping out of the marketplaces I already own” – (though i cant find the actual email posted anywhere)
especially when that label has albums for less on amazon.
The Curtains – Calamity – $2.99
Liz Janes & Create – $1.98
Helado Negro – Awe Owe – $3.91
Why does it sound this way? He pointed out that it was being featured on Amazon as a loss leader, so Asthmatic Kitty was going to get the same amount of money either way.
I think the real point of the first message was just that he thought it was weird/sad that music is deigned as less valued cost-wise than a cup of coffee. He runs a label, I can see why that would matter to him. He probably just wants to be able to afford to continue putting out the music he thinks is special. Or maybe he’s totally greedy, I don’t know. It’s his prerogative. I don’t care about his views–as long as he’s not something like a neo-nazi supporter–I just care about the music his label releases. From what I gather, the artists on the label really like their position, so I would assume it’s on the up.
Recognizing this was a loss leader, just emphasizes my point.
Because of all the existing albums from the label that are selling cheaper on amazon (and have been for many moons), not as loss leaders, but at their actual market driven price.
But as soon as his album approaches those price points, albeit artificially and temporarily, “the label” sends an email…so this thought process must only apply to works that he still believes he can market through his own channels. Which should make those artists feel awesome.