Software Needed To Detect If This Post Is Or Is Not True
from the quandary dept
No matter what advances technology throws at us, people remain fascinated with developing the ability to detect when people are lying. Polygraphs remain largely inaccurate (and easily gamed), so researchers focused on the legal, security and defense markets remain busy, while others explore new ways to detect lies and and learn more about people in other fields as well. While we’ve seen before applications for mobile phones that purport to be able to detect lies, some researchers at Cornell now think they can develop software that will be able to detect lies in emails and text messages. They say they can use linguistic information like word choice, shifts in verb tense and use of the passive voice to detect lies, and they’ve analyzed materials such as emails from the Enron fraud case to hone their methods. They plan to spend the next three years working on a system to evaluate the content and context of communications, with a view to training software to be able to detect subtle changes that may indicate a lie. Or at least that’s what the article says. After all, they could be lying.
Comments on “Software Needed To Detect If This Post Is Or Is Not True”
Put Your Money Where You Mouth is :)
Every time as I can, I will ask it, because, if you are talking so about “IP” and copyright issues, I think you may want to release the site content under either CC-Atributtion-SA or GNU FDL terms, don’t you?
Re: Put Your Money Where You Mouth is :)
What are you talking about?
Anyway.
I can’t see how this could possibly work. The reason detecting lying in speech is possible (maybe not 100% accurate and there are ways to cheat, but it can work at times) is that you more or less instinctively tell the truth. When you lie, you’re trying to override that instinct and since its all in real-time, you don’t have that much time to prepare yourself. Hence its easier to detect someone lying on the spot as opposed to someone who was prepared to lie. When you type out an e-mail, you usually look over it a couple times, proofread it, make sure it all sounds good, etc. The only thing I can see being possible to pick up is when someone lies about something they know nothing about. Doesn’t matter how much you proofread in a situation like that. It may sound good, but there may be contextual flaws or contradictions which you’re not aware of. That would seem hard to write an algorithm for since it may require special knowledge of what’s being talked about.
This probably just picks up on buzzwords that managers throw around when they have no clue what they’re talking about. They should try it on non-business documents and more personal ones to see if it still works.
Re: Re: Put Your Money Where You Mouth is :)
I disagree. Someone that is lying about their behvior or actions will tend to write in the passive voice to disassociate themselves from the behavior or action. The liar is attempting to override the same instinct for telling the truth that causes hesitation, tics, eye movement, etc when speaking. It just manifests itself differently.
Re: Re: Re: Put Your Money Where You Mouth is :)
“Someone that is lying about their behvior or actions will tend to write in the passive voice to disassociate themselves from the behavior or action.”
Yes, someone who lies does tend to do this, but many things written are also presented in passive voice to generalise a topic for consumption en masse; and the passive voice is also quite common to many lacking self-confidence in their writing (even in cases where it is entirely accurate) to dissociate themselves from it, but not necessarily because it’s untrue.
Re: Re: Re:2 Put Your Money Where You Mouth is :)
True, but I was refuting a specific point made by the original poster. As mentioned in the article, passive voice is but one of many variables analyzed. Any good poker player will tell you that relying on one tell is a good way to go broke.
Re: Re: Re:2 Put Your Money Where You Mouth is
“Yes, someone who lies does tend to do this, but many things written are also presented in passive voice to generalise a topic for consumption en masse;”
But a change in tense or “voice” is a recognized “tell” for liars in court. The place where this could be useful would be to analyze deposition transcripts looking for the changes in word choice and tense.
One of the classic examples of word choice giving away the truth is when a child goes missing: if the parent speaks of the child as already being dead, before the body is found, then the parent is probably implicated in the disappearance; while if the parent speaks in terms appropriate for a belief that the child is still alive then it is less likely that the parent is involved in the disappearance.
Of course it can't work
You think I’m lying? Understand this: it’s only a rouge to get government funding.
Re: Of course it can't work
A rouge?
I’m not sure how makeup matters… A RUSE on the other hand…
wtf
WTF
Detect lying in emails?
Most people can’t even detect sarcasm in emails!
OK I love this , A mathemtician named Godel already beat this one ! Let us call it the universal truth machine or UTM. It can not lie and it can always tell if a sentence is true or false. To break the universal truth machine, simply give it this sentence:
“This sentence is False”
If the UTM says it is true then the UTM lies because it says it is false, if that is a true statement it must be false… if UTM says it is false UTM loses again becuase the the fact that it is not false makes it a true statement…
No logic circuit can beat it, dualistic thinking does not explain all that is under the sun my friends.
Type I Error
That’s funny, because I was on another forum where the moderators started accusing me of having various other accounts on the forum, and were determined to believe their own accusations. In fact, I don’t have the other accounts.
Will software like this tell humans when someone really is telling the truth, and the skeptics are wrong?
Oblig Star Wars reference?
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
Re: Oblig Star Wars reference?
haha, that’s good…
Who would use it? Boyfriends and husbands trying to see if their significant other is cheating on them.
This will work.... Until you reach someone like me
Have these companies seen the spelling, grammer, verb tense, and all “teh” other mistakes people make just in typing. this system would have to assume that the people it is analyzing are educated.
“Me fail English? thats unpossible!” ~ Ralph Wiggum
Re: people are educated
As long as people still write ’emails’ as a noun, they can’t be considered educated — or do we gather the mails from the post box? Even major newspapers are beginning to read like a Mike Tyson interview.
Re: Re: people are educated
You can call me dense but, why can’t the word ’emails’ be a noun? According to my Oxford Essential Dictionary, a noun is a word used to name a person, place, thing, or concept. A noun is not required to be something physically tangible.
can't even catch me in real life..
this won’t work on people who actually know to PRACTICE lying to people.
I had a friend who was in Army Intelligence tell me how they learn to lie to a lie detector: they cut a hole in the bottom of one of their socks and put bologna in their shoe, then when they answer questions they press their foot firmly into the bologna, say to themselves “I would never do that”(with the “that” meaning put bologna in their shoe but the brain plays with the ambiguity of the word and applies it to the question) and then answer the question how they wish. The body apparently learns the response and you learn to lie like Gonzales, err, any politician..at least for a polygraph.
I lie on a daily basis…I’m a magician and looking someone square in the eye while telling them that “this next trick was my grandfather’s favorite card trick” while knowing that one wouldn’t touch a deck of cards and the other was nothing close to a role model for me, is nothing new.
Given the fact that email isn’t a real-time happening, I don’t see this software working very well on those who will spend an hour retyping a single sentence until it reads exactly what they want it to say. I also don’t see it working well with stories that shift tense because they are describing a chronology…e.g. “I was going to go to the store to pick up some milk. I stopped at the stop light and while looking for my sunglasses, the other car hit me from behind”. Knowing that to date there’s no way that computers can comprehend what we’re really saying, someone is going to find themselves at the wrong end of a defamation lawsuit over this system.
It won't work
..ok, it might not work, … well ok, it might work but not work very well. WTF?
I mean seriously this is one of those non-arguments for people who believe the world (as with lying) is black and white; when its truly in shades of gray.
Did you do “XYZ”? Lying to that sort of question is a great deal different than answering to, “Do these jeans make me look fat?”
Some things, such as facts, can be checked where as other things are far more subjective. Its like these fools who run around being crude saying “I’m only telling the truth”, the truth according to whom? A rude asshole?
And on that note……..no those jeans don’t make your ass look fat, your fat ass makes your ass look fat. 😉
why do the research when posters here already know
Jeez, what a bunch of morons these folks are, spending their lives perform detailed analytical experiements, when you all already know for sure! How silly of the Ph. D.s to not have asked you all first! Obviously, all you f-ing retards can intuit absolute truth far better than the decades and millions of $ of experiments!
from the article:
In the past three years, professors and students from several universities have coordinated with counterparts at Cornell to conduct experiments, analyze language, and compile a list of indicators of written deception. They have drawn from 40 years of research in linguistics and lies, including recent work in the context of computer media and reviews of Enron e-mails.
The National Science Foundation awarded the researchers $680,000 last summer to develop software that would sift through text and flag messages in which in the authors had lied.
“There’s still an open question of whether that is actually possible or not,” said Jeff Hancock, a communications professor and information science faculty member at Cornell. “Our research suggests that it is.”
Re: why do the research when posters here already
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Jeez, what a bunch of morons these folks are, spending their lives perform detailed analytical experiements, when you all already know for sure!
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Ever had a computer say you didn’t pay a bill when you had? Had Windows crash?
‘Nuff said. We know it won’t work because even HUMANS can’t tell reliably so acting as though software can do this IS retarded.
A RUSE on the other hand...
Thank you that is what I meant. Wow $680K of our tax dollars hard at work.
re: dorpus
So you’re a douchebag everywhere you go? Not surprised.
come on now
you’re obviously lying in this post
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DID YOU EVER
HAVE SOMEONE EMAIL YOU IN ALL CAPS WHERE YOU THOUGHT THEY WERE ANGRY AND THEY ACTUALLY WERE NOT?
Re: DID YOU EVER
Never really understood why some arsey people think writing in all capitals is angry or shouting. It’s more likely the person is just an idiot.
Wouldn't work
for texting, people choose the shortest fofrm of the message possible while retaining clarity. Since this vaires from person to person, adn depends on whether they use TTI or PTI, since PTI needs real words to work properly. There would sureley be too little variation between how a person would phrase an SMS message if telling the truth or lying, and there appears to be more variation between different people’s messages than in the phraseology of a single person’s messages.
For an email message, the filters would likely only catch off-the-cuff lies, where the sender has not bothered to think throught the lie. If he does think things through, then he is more likely to make sure his message matches a normal one in stlye and proofreading quality. This would make it very hard for an AI to find the lies, unless it had a very good plain-English handler and good “undrstanding” of semantics, enabling it to find inconsistencies between differrent messages.