First Rule About RIAA Court Cases: You Don't Talk About RIAA Court Cases

from the seems-a-bit-extreme dept

Just Another Joe writes in to point out that the RIAA is up to its typical excessive behavior. In one of the many RIAA lawsuits over unauthorized distribution of music online, the defendant’s lawyers are trying to depose RIAA representatives — but the RIAA is refusing, unless they have a blanket gag order that would ensure that none of the information in the depositions is made public. Kind of makes you wonder what they’re hiding. Speaking of hiding, with the RIAA dropping plenty of cases where they realize they may actually lose the case (usually, because they sued the wrong person), a whole bunch of legal groups joined together to file a statement supporting the idea that the RIAA should be responsible for paying the legal fees of the person they falsely brought to court. It seems only fair.

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Neal says:

can we say class-action

Seems to me it’s about time some enterprising law firm eyeballs the RIAA’s tactics, its numerous innocent victims and smells a class action against the RIAA itself. Real lawyers seeking to milk the RIAA out of all that settlement money it has stolen…. bet they’d find a way to get the information. Sure the victims would never be compensated, but the RIAA would stop dead in it’s tracks.

Mike Mixer (profile) says:

Re: can we say class-action

The parties that really need to be taken behind the woodshed are the judges that let these farcical lawsuits get into court in the first place. It’s past time that rules of evidence should be strictly observed so as to make the RIAA really spend money on these fishing expeditions. A few cases that really stick would do them a lot more good than this throwing noodles at the wall and keeping the ones that stick.

DJ says:

Re: Idiots

I purchased almost 1000 CD/DVDs from BMG/Columbia House during the ’90s, then came the fall of Napster (in the spring of 2000?), I have not spent a penny on CDs or DVDs since! And the clueless idiots @ BMG/CH “just cannot understand why!” the reasons “one of our most valued customers” would suddenly cease a “mutually beneficial business relationship”. It’s called PRINCIPALS, and that was, and is, something that those folks will never have!

Stagnant says:

Re: I am curious...

Yes, me. I find that applying the appelation of “scumbag” to the RIAA to be an insult and great disservice to scumbags of the world. Admittedly, these scumbags are scumbags, but putting the in the same detestable category as the RIAA is just crossing an unnecessary line. In the future, please think about your choice of words.


Mike Mixer (profile) says:

Re: Re: I am curious...

Here Here I say, Using the oldest definition for scumbag it could bew implied that indeed the name scumbag in too good for these goniffs as scumbags serve a purpose as do assholes
and even dickheads. Slime can even come in handy once in a blue moon so it can’t convey the utter uselessness of an RIAA
lawyer accurately. In fact I wrack my brains and can think of no vile word that approaches that level of scurrility, Even lower than divorce lawyers who screw their clients.

riaa guy says:

i dont get it, why cant we sue people for stealing music who cares if they didnt actually use it..

if little joey downloads a illegal mp3 on his dads computer, dad should get his nutsack stapled to the wall and get his pc confiscated and get a very large fine for enabling little joey to commit very serious crimes…

respect my authority…

Big #1 (profile) says:


I think it is wrong to steal music, and if someone were stealing my product I would go after them. So, RIAA, go after the real pirates. Not some kid recording their music from a friends CD, but the people selling 1000’s of copies or more after mass copying. (I think there is court precedence allowing you to copy things for yourself because of audio and video tapes)

I do think, however, that the wholesale theft the music (and movie) industry is seeing should tell them their product is over-priced. If they made their prices more reasonable, there would be no real market for large-scale pirating. I don’t believe they would be hurt. Look at how these people live! And the artists are making pennies on the dollar when compared to the producers.

There is gold in them thar pipes!

I think the way to stop it is to stop buying the product all together. It will never happen, we are addicted to it. I am included in that catagory!

Just Another Average Joe says:


Have you noticed that CD prices never seem to go down as technology advances and media gets cheaper? That there is not much new musical offerings, except for those “artists” that just happen to be “popular” at any given time? That independent music never seems to realy take off or to be distributed (even to arthouse music stores)?

Nevermind about DRM, what is crooked is the business model in itself. For starters, the RIAA is a cartel of recording companies that decide what becomes “popular” and its cost. Consumers have no free choince in here, they are just plugged in to a pipe and they turn on the water, so to speak. Secondly, “popular” artists are never any good. I mean, seriously, who does really believe that Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, &c., &c. have any artistic value? They don’t even compose their own songs for crying out loud. The “popular” music, if you listen to it closely, is all the same within its specific genre. Popular rappers sound alike, popular boy bands sound alike, popula female singers sound alla like. Standardized production with in-house musicians and composers, that’s what it is. Performers just sing whatever is put in front of them.

The whle point about this cartelized, standardized scheme is to retain control. There is no real promotion of musical innovation and no real search for true talent. You know, people like Ray Charles, B. B. King, Eric Clapton or groups like Pink Floyd, The Who, Led Zeppelin… I could go on forever. My point is that the ony way to take the model down is by sponsoring independent, talented musicians to produce outside of the commercial recording labels, and get the stores to distribute them. Online distribution of independent music can help, so long as artists agree to such distribution and receive proper credit (and payment) for their work. Nuff said.

killer_roach says:

Doesn't make sense

#19: Not only are CD prices not going down as production and distribution costs go down, they’re going up. And the amount of money the artist gets is remaining the same. The labels say it’s because of the need to market the artists, but come on… apart from MTV or their ilk, how often do you see any promotional information about artists without physically walking into the record store? Methinks it’s not all that much money they’re spending on marketing, and more that they’re spending on endless layers of legal facilities and administration.

These lawsuits anymore are starting to get absurd… the RIAA’s going after these people because they’re easy targets; the commercial pirates are harder to trace and oftentimes are outside of the jurisdiction of the American legal system. So, rather than actually taking steps that might actually solve things, they go after the easy marks that might just throw a grand or two in their direction to just make the problem go away and let the RIAA crow about another victory over piracy in a press release. What a crock.

What the record industry needs is for Congress to dissolve the studio system in the music industry like what they did to the film industry in the 50s. It’s long overdue, to be honest, would make musicians “free agents”, and, as an added benefit, would kill off the RIAA.

trichome says:

The Okd Daze

and where was the RIAA when people were taping songs from the radio in the 70s and 80’s and recording theit favorite movie on a vcr

seems to me if they made the investment in the technology ,to sell online ,years ago when napster was first up and running…. that they would not be facing these issues to the extent they r today……

greedy then and more greedy now………and somehow its everyones fault but theirs

Ray Beckerman (user link) says:

I think someone is going after them

Gothica said: “I’m surprised someone doesn’t try to go after the RIAA for price fixing, price gouging, and anti-trust.”

Last I heard, the New York State Attorney General’s Office was investigating them for that.

Also the US Dept of Justice was investigating them for that, but ended its investigation in 2003, based on statements by the record labels that were later found to have been false:

Jeff says:

Sony/BMG discs break notebooks

I purchased my first CD in a long time. It turned out to be a new dual-format CD DVD that won’t play in my kitchen or bedroom CD player. Further, it had trouble ejecting when inserted into my MacBook Pro notebook (and would not play). The disc does have a printed warning stating that it is not compliant with CD specifications and may not play in some CD and DVD players (who dreams up this crap?)

I searched Amazon’s reviews and found several others that had the Sony/BMG disc permanently stuck in their slot load notebooks and had to return them for service. The disc is 33% thicker than a normal CD and killed the notebook and caused the disc to be scratched.

What are these music executives thinking? You think that Sony/BMB would have learned from their last non-standard rootkit spyware disaster. I sent emails to two Sony/BMG asking if I should return the disc to the retailer and buy the music from the iTunes music store??

Sony/BMG should put big warnings on these disc s are too THICK and may break your notebooks or other slot load CD and DVD players. I won’t be buying any more discs for a long time. Good job music executives.

Luke Rumfelt says:

A suggestion

remember this no matter who puts a gag order on you whether it be lawyer, judge, or anyone, if you live in america there is a right to free speech. obey no gag order. it s all done under duress anyway. when able, sing like a canary and let them sue as they wish. All the lawsuits in the world can’t put the words back in you šŸ™‚

This my friends can be called civil disobediance. Actually it is a civil obligation to do the right thing. gag orders work only due to the greed of the people who agree to them and the greed of the companies that con you into accepting this drivil.

No need flaming me, i won’t be reading them. no need disagreeing with me saying what i say is against the law…. i don’t care. It is laws like these that are illegal when held u[p to standard against the highest laws of this land.

gets off his soapbox, wipes his hands clean of the bs in the air and walks away from the lot of you……………

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