Ted Cruz Doubles Down On Being Wrong: Pushes Yet Another Net Neutrality Killing Bill

from the freedom* dept

Eager to ignore the broad, bipartisan support net neutrality enjoys, nine GOP Senators this week introduced legislation that would kill the FCC's net neutrality rules. Senator Mike Lee's "Restoring Internet Freedom Act" would prohibit the FCC from classifying ISPs as common carriers under Title II of the Communications Act and "from imposing certain regulations on providers of such service." In other words, it's a parallel attempt to kill net neutrality in Congress while FCC boss Ajit Pai tries to kill the rules via FCC process.

Lee didn't release the text of the bill, but it's expected to look very similar to a 2016 bill he introduced during the 114th Congress with the same 8 co-sponsors. Lee tries to argue in a statement over at his website that his bill is necessary to keep "bureaucrats" away from "engineering the internet's infrastructure":

But now this engine of growth is threatened by the Federal Communications Commission’s 2015 Open Internet Order, which would put federal bureaucrats in charge of engineering the Internet’s infrastructure. That is why I am introducing the Restoring Internet Freedom Act, which would nullify Open Internet Order and prohibit the FCC from issuing a similar rule in the future.

You'll likely be shocked to learn that the only "freedoms" being restored here belong to companies like Comcast, Verizon and AT&T. Said companies have spent the better part of a decade and millions of dollars on a quest for zero oversight of one of the least competitive sectors in American industry.

Should the rules die, AT&T will once again have the freedom to block you from using certain services unless you subscribe to a more expensive broadband tier. Comcast can use its unnecessary usage caps and overage fees to make competing services more expensive for its customers to use. Companies like Verizon can get back to intentionally letting peering points congest to make content and transit companies pay them more money than ever for the honor of reaching Verizon subscribers.

Somehow, Lee thinks that gutting the already too-modest rules preventing this kind of behavior will somehow increase "permissionless innovation." That makes zero coherent sense.

These abuses aren't theoretical. They've either already happened or are happening now. And FCC boss Ajit Pai's ingenious "solution" is to eliminate modest and widely supported rules and replace them with "voluntary" guidelines companies like Comcast will ignore. The idea that net neutrality is simply an issue of government "overreach" plays well to knee-jerk partisans that aren't informed on the subject, but it doesn't become any less false with repetition. In reality, the FCC has spent fifteen years turning a blind eye to the problem of limited competition, and the 2015 rules, if anything, didn't go far enough.

A few years ago, when Tom Wheeler began bucking 15 years of bipartisan FCC precedent by actually doing his job, you'll recall that Senator Ted Cruz was widely ridiculed for his claim that net neutrality was "Obamacare for the internet." Despite even Republican engineers informing him this narrative couldn't be more inaccurate, Cruz (a bill co-sponsor) took the opportunity this week to double down. According to Cruz, he was being incredibly and intentionally misleading to "raise awareness":

"My comments (equating net neutrality to "Obamacare") were intended to raise awareness of this unprecedented government power grab, which the Obama administration and its friends at the FCC were attempting to quietly accomplish. I am proud to work with my friend Mike Lee on the Restoring Internet Freedom Act, a bill that rolls back former President Obama's power grab, protects open internet principles, and recognizes the transformative effect that the internet has had on our lives, generating billions of dollars of new economic activity and millions of jobs, largely free of government’s heavy hand. We must preserve a free and open internet, and give stability to the companies and users operating within the internet ecosystem."

Yes, let's "preserve a free and open internet" by letting giant broadband monopolies cap, throttle, restrict and otherwise hamstring the endless startups, entrepreneurs, content companies and consumers that use the internet everyday. You'll notice that folks like Cruz are quick to heap praise on the miracle of the modern internet, but are comically incapable of admitting the threat that limited competition is posing to said miracle. Obviously, if you admit there's a problem, then you might just have to do something about it. And deep-pocketed campaign contributors Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon sure as hell don't want that.

As Mike just got done pointing out, net neutrality opponents have a gameplan you need to understand. Step one is for Ajit Pai to play bad cop and threaten net neutrality via FCC rollback. Step two is for Congress to come to the rescue with a "compromise" bill (actually written by Comcast and friends, of course) that promises to "solve" net neutrality once and for all -- but is packed with so many loopholes, caveats and contingencies to be worse than no rules at all. If this bill doesn't do the trick, giant ISPs will ensure there's a flood of similar proposals waiting in the wings.


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    Ninja (profile), 4 May 2017 @ 6:39am

    Upton Sinclair. That's all the wisdom need here. And heck, we are talking about a guy who thinks frying bacon on the barrel of a machine-gun is fun. God bless America.

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    TheResidentSkeptic (profile), 4 May 2017 @ 7:10am

    Politician Doubles Down on Being Wrong.

    That's not news.

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    Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 7:14am

    There's a long list of reasons I dumped the GOP but one of the main one's was when they did bankruptcy reform back in the 04/05's. I still remember John McCain saying something to the effect of "it's only right that people pay their bills back". That's true to a certain extent but the entity who made the loans, issued the credit cards, did it knowing the risks and was much more informed of the risks than the consumers, even if some consumers took credit cards they had no intention of paying back. Bankers just wanted to rewrite the laws to their benefit.

    There are no saints in congress but the GOP is about as far removed from the common man as I am from an ant. And so, yet again, here we are only with net neutrality and ISP's.

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      Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 9:16am

      Re:

      You are being incredibly dishonest. Those people signed of their own accord. A fool and their money are soon parted as they say and you cannot hold everyone else accountable for the stupid and lazy people expect others to look out for their own best interest.

      That said, I do completely agree with you hate for the GOP to allow companies to use these idiots as patsies to drum up damaging business practices and sell them around for more than they are worth.

      "There are no saints in congress but the GOP is about as far removed from the common man as I am from an ant."

      See, this is also problematic, the GOP is not close to alone in this regard. The D's & R's are both entirely removed from the common man. Both parties so trash to such a degree that acting like one is somehow better than the other is pretty telling about folks.

      Choosing between the two parties is like choosing your method of suicide.

      Do you want to die in a vat of acid or would you prefer a nuclear reactor chamber instead?

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        Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 9:23am

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        I've had enough of this both sides are bad false equivalence.

        When internet privacy was up for a vote only Republicans voted to sell the public out

        It's Republicans who want to gut as many rules stopping corporate abuse of the environment and the public as possible.

        You didn't have Obama appointing people to agencies they want torn down

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          Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 9:39am

          Re: Re: Re:

          "I've had enough of this both sides are bad false equivalence."

          Well I am sorry that you are too stupid to realize that D's are able to sucker you so much.

          Tell you what man, I love you, I will take care of you, now give me your bank account because I am going to put a whole lotta money into it after I steal it from from rich folks.

          This has been the Democrat con for decades, promising the poor and uneducated plebs, that they will solve their problems by stealing from the rich and helping them out with "programs". Despite having democrats in charge plenty of times, minorities are still destitute and clueless.

          "Damn playing you idiots like a fiddle is easy!"
          ~A Democrat & A Republican

          George Washington warn us from the start what would happen if we stick to this party bullshit. People like you, without a damn clue!

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            Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 9:43am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            Except nothing in your post has anything to do with why I support Democrats over Republicans.

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              Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 10:04am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              It does, you just don't know how to connect the dots.

              Let me give you a direct hint. The Democrats lie to you, make you think they care about you, they write laws that "look" like they are what you want, but wind up being something else in actual result.

              There is a whole group of people that do stuff like that for entertainment purposes. Grifters, most politicians are professional Grifters. All of them distract you with something shiny to divert your attention away from the real actions they are taking.

              You should also go and read up on George Washington. Just supporting a political party is a problem of its own and George describes that problem well in his farewell address.

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            Thad, 4 May 2017 @ 10:30am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            Well I am sorry that you are too stupid to realize that D's are able to sucker you so much.

            And I'm sorry that you're too stupid to realize that we're talking about net neutrality, a subject where there is quite clearly and inarguably a difference between Democrats and Republicans.

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              Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 10:55am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              "clearly and inarguably a difference between Democrats and Republicans."

              You win the solid gold stupid prize. Enjoy!

              I told you a long time ago during the Bamy administration, that this was going to happen. You didn't listen or believe me then, so why would you change your lame tune now?

              Hey, look on the bright side, there will be another snake-oil salesman to say stuff you will like without actually doing anything meaningful coming along again. Just be patient and wait for them. I predict just like Obama helped Trump win, Trump will help his next replacement look even better than the last one too!

              Dammit was George spot, the fuck, on. A 200+ year old prediction right before our very eyes and people are still clueless as fuck!

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                Thad, 4 May 2017 @ 2:15pm

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                What the fuck are you talking about, you gibbering gibbon?

                Democrats favor net neutrality; Republicans oppose it. The reason net neutrality regulations passed a few years ago is that the President was a Democrat. The reason net neutrality regulations are being rolled back now is that the President is a Republican, and so are the majorities in Congress.

                I agree with Washington's statement about political parties (and, like many people who graduated high school, I was well aware of before you started repeating it every five minutes because you think it makes you sound smart). I'm a registered independent. There are a lot of things the Democratic Party does that I absolutely despise. But everybody in the FCC or Congress who is trying to roll back net neutrality is a Republican. That is not my opinion. It is a fact.

                And for the record, asshole, you didn't tell me shit "a long time ago during the Bamy administration" and I have not "changed my tune"; I've only been posting in this comments section since last summer. You can tell because I use my real name. I've got an excuse for not knowing if I'm talking to the same guy I was yesterday (is George Washington Guy the same guy as Every Nation Guy and All Regulations are Negative guy, or is this site infested with a bunch of different idiots spouting the same dumb-ass catchphrases day after day?); you don't.

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            Wendy Cockcroft, 5 May 2017 @ 2:32am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            Stealing from the rich? They're robbing us blind! How? They don't pay their fair share of tax, they write laws to ring-fence their profits via monopolies, they pay us at the lowest rates they can get away with, and after all that they reserve the administration of justice and law enforcement to themselves leaving us to suffer without them.

            Don't get me started on Flint, fracking, and the AHCA debacles. Stealing from the rich! Stop it.

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              PaulT (profile), 5 May 2017 @ 3:02am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              He appears to be claiming that Democrats would be doing the exact same thing, even though the rules that are being reversed were passed during their most recent term. It's a nonsensical claim on its face, but he's obviously far more interested in false equivalence than explaining his position, so it's probably best not to waste your time.

              This seems to be a popular meme recently on many sites I visit - Trump supporters, when faced with the reality of how horrible their choice actually is, claim that it doesn't matter because the other party would be equally horrible. It doesn't matter how easily disproven this claim is, as long as they can wave away any activity as being inevitable rather than the direct result of their horrible decision.

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                Wendy Cockcroft, 5 May 2017 @ 5:45am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                I know, I was aiming at his audience. As for Trump voters, if it's not "Your guy's just as bad," it's "not that bad" or even "fake news."

                They really don't like reality much, do they?

                It's happening over here now. Yesterday I had to school this English bloke who told me (with, I imagine, a completely straight face) that colonialism was a beneficial thing for the natives of the colonised countries... until I pointed out that as an Irish woman, I'm one of them and no it flippin' wasn't, so there.

                I'm writing a blog post at the moment on morality in political discourse. You may think echo chambers are bad but each echo chamber/political tribe has its own morality; left-leaning (meaning, "Not frothing at the mouth with rage against non whites and poor people") morality tends to be about the public good while right-wing morality tends to be about the freedom to be a git at all times. Attitudes like his tend to catch my attention because I'm seeing it more and more these days. I don't like where our societies are going and hope there's a way to turn things back. I liked it better when we cared more about each other and when thinking that this is a great weakness was an a bad guy thing.

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        Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 9:36am

        Re: Re:

        Your reply got messy but I think this is the correct place to respond.

        I'm not being dishonest, you don't understand what happened.

        1. I sign up for a credit card under specified terms. Agreed to by both parties.
        2. Congress rewrites bankruptcy legislation that, in effect, changes the terms of the agreement.

        In other words, I sign an agreement for a certain amount of money at a certain interest rate. There is a risk that I won't pay it back, file bankruptcy, hence the higher interest rate. All of that goes into the calculation and an agreement is signed.

        Later, because they can, banks get congress to reform the bankruptcy laws so that it's harder to discharge the debt in bankruptcy. They are changing the rules in the middle of the game, something they've done a lot of in the credit card game, but also in others.

        The problem is that the banks are the informed party. They knew the likelihood of you declaring bankruptcy and made an agreement based on that. Sure, maybe you knew your specific situation better than they did but they know the aggregate far better than you would, plus they know all of the laws and tricks. When they didn't get the results they wanted, or thought they could increase profits, they had congress change the game to their benefit.

        Also, saying the two parties are the same is nonsensical. There are a lot of issues where they should be the same, assuming scientific evidence and facts play a part in the discussion, or the the reality on the ground dictates certain things, and there are plenty of issues where it sure looks like the lobbyists are paying both sides, but to say that they are the same is nonsensical. There are some profound differences in outcomes and approaches between the two. This very issue is one of those. Tax policy, health care are two others with profound consequences and differences between the two.

        Certainly, I would like to see more variety and challenges to the duopoly, but they aren't the same.

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          Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 9:53am

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          The accusation of dishonesty stems from you being willing to call out the corrupt banking institutions while giving the corrupt consumer a pass at the same time. Both parties are complicit in a bad deal. Unless the consumer signed under duress they are every bit as guilty in the transaction. You cannot save people from themselves, not even God attempts to do that. People need to clearly understand that if you don't obtain knowledge and understanding, then you are going to have increased chances of a bad life.

          So no, I do not absolve the business of any guilt, I just object to your absolving the consumer of it. When you sign and give yourself to a debtor... well there you have it.

          The problem with the banks and government corruption, well that could be solved as well, but voters don't want to solve it. They just want to bend the corruption they see to their political desires. Because of this, a solution cannot be had. Remember that whole you cannot solve violence with violence stuff? Well you cannot solve corruption with corruption, and right now... that is exactly what the electorate has been doing. Attempting to send different kinds of corrupt politicians to Washington in hopes they get somewhere.

          "Also, saying the two parties are the same is nonsensical."

          That is not nonsensical in the least. Read this article.
          http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-ed-charley-reese-545-people-1984-073111-story.html

          They really are the same. They both seek to remove your rights & liberties and enslave you. Just because they disagree on the methods to achieve their objectives does not mean they are so different. The two party system in America is essentially a pair of competing bullies. Each vilify the other in different ways. Each acts as though they are innocent and honest. Each continues to grow government and oppress the people with each new law. Neither works to restore liberty or integrity to this land.

          "Certainly, I would like to see more variety and challenges to the duopoly, but they aren't the same."

          And this is why it will never change. Until you understand the problem you will never learn how to effectively combat the problem!

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            Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 10:32am

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            I assume I can swear here, if not, oh well. And it'll be my last post to you regardless.

            Listen, dumbass, I posted a very specific scenario, an agreement is signed, but, the legislation effectively changed the terms of the deal because it made it harder to file bankruptcy in some cases. It was done to protect the banks, not the consumer. The option to file bankruptcy is very much a part of a credit calculation and it's part of the reason credit cards carry such high interest rates, they aren't secured.

            Banks didn't like the outcome so they lobbied for changes and won Republicans hearts with the idea that "responsible people pay their bills". Responsible banks, well, they change the rules after the agreement was signed.

            Hey, sometimes it goes the other way, and this is always an inherent risk in these sorts of agreements, so you could technically argue that this was always a possibility, but it is changing an agreement after the fact albeit in perhaps too an abstract way for a lot of people to pick up on it.

            I recognize it's a very subtle point, obviously too subtle for an internet troll, but it is what happened.

            And with that, this AC returns to the shadows.

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              Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 11:05am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              Why do you not understand this?

              "Listen, dumbass, I posted a very specific scenario, an agreement is signed, but, the legislation effectively changed the terms of the deal because it made it harder to file bankruptcy in some cases. It was done to protect the banks, not the consumer."

              So "politicians" writing laws are to blame and not the businesses? Look, I am well aware of THAT problem, but apparently you are not as aware as you claim to be.

              When you put yourself into the cross-hairs of corrupt business men willingly, then you cannot absolve yourself of blame.

              "Banks didn't like the outcome so they lobbied for changes and won Republicans hearts with the idea that "responsible people pay their bills". Responsible banks, well, they change the rules after the agreement was signed."

              Okay, sycophant, the TARP funds that Obama admin doled out were just exactly nothing amiright? O wait, I keep forgetting, it is okay if "MY" guy does corrupt stuff but not the "OTHER" guy. Are you getting the picture yet? You are, apparently, in tacit approval of this whole mess, just pissed that it came out differently than you wanted! You cannot fight corruption with corruption. You lose every time, get it through your head.

              "I recognize it's a very subtle point, obviously too subtle for an internet troll, but it is what happened."

              I get it, you lack the capacity to understand what I am telling you, therefore I am now a troll. It figures you would resort to name calling, but hey, I am all for that shit! Bring it on!

              Remember student, life is the teacher, and you are currently failing the class. Enjoy, you can create any pseudo reality you think you can hide in, but it will not save you.

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                Wendy Cockcroft, 5 May 2017 @ 5:46am

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                When you put yourself into the cross-hairs of corrupt business men willingly, then you cannot absolve yourself of blame.

                Here endeth the lesson: consume and die quietly, peon!

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    Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 7:14am

    Ted Cruz - how do you speak without busting up laughing? Surely you are not that daft as to believe what you are saying.

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    Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 7:30am

    Pretty sure he's well past "double".

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    ace spaghetti, 4 May 2017 @ 7:32am

    If you want a free internet, you just have to dig up your neighbor's yards to put up your own fiber. Then you can do whatever you want on it!

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    youngtexas (profile), 4 May 2017 @ 8:15am

    net neutrality

    it's amazing to me that the internet, based on individual freedom, can be co-opted but the bureaucrats and government ruling class and everyone runs off the cliff because the Liberal media declares it good and anyone that opposes this should be destroyed. Give something a clever name "neutrality" and idiots support it without thought. I am never surprised at how fast people give up their freedoms.
    Net Neutrality is in reality GOVERNMENT CONTROL of the net and the content.

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      Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 8:23am

      Re: net neutrality

      without net neutrality ISPs are for practical purposes the governing body for the internet.

      Without neutrality ISPs get to decide what kind of speech is or isn't acceptable on the digital landscape.

      They also get to decide what kind of net reliant products and services get off the ground in a non neutral landscape

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      Roger Strong (profile), 4 May 2017 @ 8:51am

      Re: net neutrality

      So, just like the Constitution mandating that anyone can own a gun is GOVERNMENT CONTROL of guns? Enforcing the neutrality of government and public companies on religion is GOVERNMENT CONTROL of religion?

      Look, if this were strictly about private companies and resources, you might have a case. It isn't. We're talking about companies that often have government-granted monopolies on service in the areas where they operate.

      Even where there's no monopoly, houses are built with ONE phone line, ONE power connection ONE water connection and ONE gas line. So the city mandates that the "last mile" be shared with competitors.

      No "Net Neutrality" on those other utilities means that they too could partner with other companies - so that only homes with the partner's brand of appliances or furnace or hot water tank gets proper service. Now that there's a data connection (via "smart meters") back to the utilities, you can bet that they want to do exactly that.

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      Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 8:55am

      Re: net neutrality

      Title ii is the correct regulation for the ISP's, as they connect customers to the content providers on the Internet. Without it, your ISP is free to decide what content on the Internet you can access, which they will do in innovative ways in an effort to reverse the cord cutting problem.

      Almost all US ISP's have two businesses, delivered over the same connection, but using different technologies that belong under different rule sets; Cable TV, where they decide the content, and the Internet connectivity, where the customer should be able to decide where to go.

      You would complain if your phone service controlled what business you could use it to contact, so why should you ISP be given that power?

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      Lord_Unseen (profile), 4 May 2017 @ 8:57am

      Re: net neutrality

      Love it when people spout off this crap when they have no idea what they're talking about. You ever hear the term "natural monopoly"? Look it up. That's what ISPs, for the most part, have. There is no incentive for them to not screw you over every chance they get. Without someone stepping in, that's exactly what they'll do.

      There's no government control of the internet with net neutrality. There's only ISP control without it.

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        Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 11:20am

        Re: Re: net neutrality

        You don't seem to be spouting non-crap yourself.

        --You ever hear the term "natural monopoly"?--

        yes I bet they have. did you also know that we don't have to allow that? Did you also know that the FCC created the blessing of that natural monopoly? So guess what, you are the one full of crap and the other guy has a better point than you.

        Politicians created this problem, and you stupidly expect them to be able to solve it? Heck, how can you expect them to WANT to resolve it? They WANT it!

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      Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 9:13am

      Re: net neutrality

      So youngtexas - how many providers do you have access to at your home, how fast is your connection what restrictions are in place.

      For your reference for me it is:

      14 providers (offering a total of 67 packages)
      78Mb Down / 34Mb Up
      $50 per month (approx - converted from £)
      Unlimited usage for anything

      An I live in a fairly rural area of Northern England - tell me again how you've not got a problem over there?

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        z! (profile), 4 May 2017 @ 9:46am

        Re: Re: net neutrality

        Yep. I live less than 10 air miles from San Francisco and have the "options" of--
        2 providers over existing twisted pair (Sonic & ATT)
        1 provider over existing CATV cable (comcrap)
        2 fixed wireless (maybe, might be too far)
        1 satellite provider (Hughes, with huge latency)

        Only one of the TP providers and maybe one of the fixed-wireless providers will give me static IPs, which I need (and please don't argue with me about that). AFAICT none of them will install "business" service into a residence.


        The basic problem with all the arguments against net neutrality are that they conflate content and carriage. Consider that after AT&T Divestiture in the 1980s (and wireline voice traffic is regulated), the *content* industry blossomed. What made it work is that the telcos were -required- to carry everyone's traffic (and they made money off that).

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      Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 9:33am

      Re: net neutrality (also, common carriers)

      Hint: think along the lines of UPS. UPS is actually not within its rights to:

      • Charge more or less for one parcel (say, Mother's Day flowers) versus another (potato chips) shipped at the same time with the same size/weight, origin/destination, and delivery deadline/level of service requested
      • Delay a parcel unnecessarily or arbitrarily (say, by letting a transfer warehouse fill up even though they can easily get capacity in to move them)
      • Interrupt service to someone without good cause (i.e. throwing away your package even though you packed and labeled it properly, paid the proper rate for them to ship it, and the package and contents are legal to ship, intact, and unspoiled)

      as they are a common carrier at law. Why should your ISP be able to arbitrarily drop, delay (throttle), or differentially bill for (including zero rating) your packets?

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        Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 2:32pm

        Re: Re: net neutrality (also, common carriers)

        * Slice open the seal on your package so they can fill it with junkmail then reseal it.

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      Mike Masnick (profile), 4 May 2017 @ 10:29am

      Re: net neutrality

      Net Neutrality is in reality GOVERNMENT CONTROL of the net and the content.

      I hear this talking point all the time and it makes no sense to me, as someone who has actually read the open internet rules. Can you point out what in the rules means "government control of the net and content?"

      Because, by my reading, it's actually the complete opposite. It's saying that neither the government nor the ISPs can control content on the internet.

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      Thad, 4 May 2017 @ 10:32am

      Re: net neutrality

      it's amazing to me that the internet, based on individual freedom, can be co-opted but the bureaucrats and government ruling class

      The Internet was created by the government, you fucking dope.

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      JMT (profile), 4 May 2017 @ 5:49pm

      Re: net neutrality

      "I am never surprised at how fast people give up their freedoms."

      Can you explain how rules that do nothing other than prevent companies from acting in anti-consumers ways is "people giving up their freedom".

      "Net Neutrality is in reality GOVERNMENT CONTROL of the net and the content."

      How does this braindead, anti-reality claim still get made? NN laws provide exactly zero control of either the internet or the content on it. They specifically restrict ISP behavior that would affect content delivery, but still not the actual net.

      You sound just like an industry sockpuppet. I hope you are getting paid to parrot this nonsense because if you're not it means you're just profoundly ignorant.

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      PaulT (profile), 5 May 2017 @ 1:10am

      Re: net neutrality

      "Net Neutrality is in reality GOVERNMENT CONTROL of the net and the content."

      Explain why preventing ISPs from controlling traffic in order to boost their own businesses and prevent fair competition is government control.

      It's not about the naming, it's the fact that you people are addressing a fictional version of what net neutrality is.

      "I am never surprised at how fast people give up their freedom"

      By opposing net neutrality, you're begging those freedoms to be handed to corporations, over whom you have less control than the government. I'm always surprised at how fast people like you are willing to give up control to anyone, so long as it's not the government you're so afraid of. You'll happily live as serfs, so long as you have no vote for your masters.

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        Wendy Cockcroft, 5 May 2017 @ 5:50am

        Re: Re: net neutrality

        **When you put yourself into the cross-hairs of corrupt business men willingly, then you cannot absolve yourself of blame.**

        Believing such nonsense as youngtexas spouts is exactly how one puts oneself willingly into the cross-hairs of corrupt business men. Apparently it's not the liars' fault, it's ours for falling for the lies.

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    Lord_Unseen (profile), 4 May 2017 @ 8:22am

    > Ted Cruz

    > Being Wrong

    There's no need to be redundant.

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    Ryunosuke (profile), 4 May 2017 @ 9:02am

    on the plus side, courts can declare laws unconstitutional, I am not exactly sure if this will go through or not, but a fight is coming one way or another, and it will go to court.

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      Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 12:15pm

      Re:

      It's not unconstitutional for Congress to make laws concerning interstate commerce and its regulation, which is what the regulation of telecommunications comes under. That's their job, regardless of the actual fairness of the bill proposed. The courts are not going to rule against Congress for doing its job even if they are doing a piss poor job. That's a legislative issue, not a judicial one.

      As I've told people that voted Republican out of anger in the last election, you asked for it, now you're getting it. Don't complain because it's your own damned fault.

      I'd call my own reps to voice protest over bills like this, but they're all GOP creatures and either toe the party line and alternatively anti-regulation or pro-protectionist (anti-consumer protection-*ahem* pro-deregulation-for-job-creation! & pro-corporate protection-*ahem* pro-job-creation!) or even more conservative and bigoted than the usual party line. No help there.

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    Roger Strong (profile), 4 May 2017 @ 9:08am

    Given the way Canada is defending net neutrality, it looks like Cruz escaped (giving up Canadian citizenship going into the 2016 election cycle) just in time!

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    My_Name_Here, 5 May 2017 @ 2:40am

    This will be delayed, but I gotta say it

    One thing for sure, without any regulation, without any neutrality, without any of that stuff, the internet has gone from nothing to ubiquitous.

    Net neutrality seems to be much more of a wild goose chase than anything. It's in an ISP's best interest to offer "all" of the internet without restriction (beyond bandwidth). It's also in their interest to differentiate themselves in the market place with "over the top" services.

    No matter how many times people say it, the internet isn't suddenly going to get blocked, you aren't going to have to pay a monthly fee for Facebook, and you won't suddenly not be able to reach Techdirt unless Mike pays off the ISPs.

    If that were to happen, it would (a) open the door for serious competition, and (b) lead to an insane public uprising that makes your whole SOPA deal look like a kiddie pool party.

    So the real question is this: Should ISPs be allowed to offer selected over the top services? Should they be allowed to exempt these differentiating services from bandwidth charges?

    For that matter, should an ISP be obligated under law to have enough peering to support every high bandwidth business model without extra charge to their customers?

    It's not about neutrality. We never had that, and the internet is just fine and getting better every day.

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      My_Name_Here, 8 May 2017 @ 9:07am

      Re: This will be delayed, but I gotta say it

      Why does Techdirt let their staff troll their own website using my name? Nice job winning the Internet, Masnick!

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        PaulT (profile), 9 May 2017 @ 12:35am

        Re: Re: This will be delayed, but I gotta say it

        Why do you make slanderous statements without proof against Techdirt staff, when any member of the public tired of reading your lies can write posts mocking you? You know, since you're a pathetic troll and you refuse to log in so nobody else can copy your schtick.

        In other words - unless you have proof that a member of TD staff is doing this, even your understandable complaint about your handle being used by others is full of lies and pathetic delusion.

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    Bart, 6 May 2017 @ 8:25pm

    I don't get it

    The Internet has done just fine without this Orwellian Net Neutrality regulation. This is just a solution in search of a problem... a problem that doesn't exist

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