Funniest/Most Insightful Comments Of The Week At Techdirt

from the the-word-is-out dept

This week, our first place winner on the insightful side is Pixelation with a response to the AT&T executive bragging about the company's misleading 5G claims, with the comment "if I have now occupied beachfront real estate in my competitors' heads, that makes me smile":

You haven't occupied beachfront property. You have occupied property a mile from the water, thrown some sand on the lawn and called it beachfront.

In second place, we've got an anonymous response to the description of Techdirt as a "left-leaning publication":

It's not a left-leaning "publication". It's a realist blog site. Granted, some of the blog posts are less than realistic but, in general, this is a rather balanced site.

"Left" and "right" both suck and have no place in critical thinking on any topic.

For editor's choice on the insightful side, we've got a pair of responses to the EU Parliament's ridiculous defense of the Copyright Directive. First, it's an anonymous commenter bringing some perspective to the situation for artists with a comparison:

The counter-argument:

In the art world if you want to exhibit your works you pay a venue to host the exhibition. They don't pay you.

On the internet you can have your works hosted for free and the venue (site) gets paid by attaching ads to the exhibition.

An exhibition is done to promote your skill as an artist, not directly to make money. Though some art may be purchased during the exhibition, in the online world your services may be contracted due to having seen your work.

Precisely how is an artist not being "fairly remunerated" on the internet? And how is it the venue/site's responsibility to make sure they are?

Next, it's James Burkhardt doing the same by passing along an artist's perspective:

So, I know an artist, Gavin Dunne aka Miracle of Sound, who is an EU Musician/Music Writer on YouTube. He has a number of revenue streams. From my understanding based on his discussions on podquisition, the Jim Sterling-lead Podcast, he doesn't see YouTube as a significant revenue source, it's an advertising source driving people to buy his music or get royalties from spotify (where he gets far more traffic) or pay him directly on patreon. One one the reasons it isn't a revenue source is how YouTube filters allow gatekeepers to claim copyright over his original works. The other is that Youtube has become more and more inconsistent in traffic volume. Nothing in Article 13 fixes that issue. Nothing in Article 13 makes YouTube a greater driver of traffic or suddenly fix its automated filtering system. Article 13 only says "You need to pay royalties, and filter out infringing content, and associate all copyright content with the correct copyright owner, and respect fair use, and do all of that perfectly without error or you pay massive fines." That doesn't help Miracle of Sound. That doesn't fix Youtube as a revenue source.

Over on the funny side, our first place comment comes from Gary in response to the trademark battle over Pinkerton detectives in Red Dead Redemption 2:

Confused?

I immediately went out and tried to hire Take Two to beat up some union activists but they refused. It's hard to hire good thugs these days!

In second place, we've got wshuff anticipating the EU's next move after Google showed how empty Google News would be under Article 11:

European lawmakers are now furiously drafting Article 14, a law which will require Google to link to European news sites using snippets that Google will be required to license under Article 11.

For editor's choice on the funny side, we start out with stderric, who offered a follow-up to that comment:

Article 15: all EU citizens granted an annual, Google-funded, two weeks paid holiday in Mountain View California.

And last but not least, we've got an anonymous response to McDonald's losing its Big Mac trademark in Europe:

"So Vincent, what do they call a Big Mac™ in Europe?"

"A Big Mac"

That's all for this week, folks!


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    ECA (profile), 20 Jan 2019 @ 12:37pm

    Ramblings

    Artist..Music..
    Early 2000, and abit after, there were a few Artists that had a problem.. they wondered the net and found their music being distributed, and they hadnt gotten any Money from the RIAA/others..
    Those responsible had to goto court, spend mney to GET what they were owed..
    With all those groups being paid to Watch over your Art/music...and the deals that have been made. At least with legal sites you can NOW TELL how much your music is worth..AND POSSIBLY get paid..

    Pinkerton is bored, and needs better adverts..

    The EU , has a problem..its WHO is complaining..REALLY, I would like a list showing us WHO is complaining.
    The only real complaint would be that INSTED of needing a 386, 20 year old server, you are getting so many hits you have to UPGRADE..
    You know what they is...THAT is the Sci/Fi channel finding out that 1 million people visiting your site to watch your shows LAGS THE WHOLE SYSTEM, and dont work... They finally snet their movies to HULU, and had to deal with HULU.. and now? they think they can handle the load, and Took the movies back...AND STILL.. having everyone watch from the internet, Almost breaks the servers..

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    stderric (profile), 20 Jan 2019 @ 12:48pm

    It didn't make the funniest of the week, but btr1701 had a spittake-worthy response to an AC's comment that mentioned Monica Lewinsky during a discussion about journalism:

    Monica Lewinsky wasn't a whistleblower, genius.

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    Anonymous Coward, 20 Jan 2019 @ 10:04pm

    Every week this website celebrates ad hominem statements made against copyright enforcement and victims of defamation because Section 230 allows them to be as antisocial as possible. My self-help books were forced to rely on a single rich patron despite my influence among Hollywood writers, because Masnick permits this assault on my good name.

    Section 230 will go the way of piracy, sued into oblivion. And Masnick, purveyor of child porn, along with it. Good riddance. I hate him with every fiber of my being.

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      Toom1275 (profile), 20 Jan 2019 @ 10:14pm

      Re:

      If Jhon Smith leaves Techdirt forever, the source of nearly one-quarter the ad homs and lies in the comments will be gone.

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        Anonymous Coward, 20 Jan 2019 @ 10:30pm

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        Only one quarter? I'm thinking most of them.

        Since he likes to claim only one or two users actually post here, Techdirt probably only has one or two chronic trolls posting under piracy-enabling VPNs.

        ...Oh my god you guys, John Smith was out_of_the_blue all along!

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      techflaws (profile), 20 Jan 2019 @ 10:26pm

      Re:

      > Every week this website celebrates ad hominem statements

      Like the baseless 'purveyor of child porn' you pulled out of your ass?

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        That One Guy (profile), 20 Jan 2019 @ 11:08pm

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        Oh I'd say that goes well beyond 'ad hominem' and straight into flat out defamation, funnily enough the very thing good old John is constantly losing his shit over and declaring to be a huge problem, as though his gross dishonesty and hypocrisy wasn't clear enough already.

        As if people really needed more reason to report every comment left by such a repulsive individual.

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        Anonymous Coward, 20 Jan 2019 @ 11:35pm

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        Masnick supports Section 230. Section 230 supports child porn. Therefore Masnick is complicit.

        Of course in the REAL WORLD, populated by non-pirates, this conclusion would be obvious outside of this 4chan echo chamber.

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      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 20 Jan 2019 @ 11:26pm

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      Assault your name? You’re an anonymous coward, there’s no name to assault!

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      Anonymous Coward, 21 Jan 2019 @ 12:38am

      “permits this assault on my good name”

      What’s your real name bro?

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      Anonymous Coward, 21 Jan 2019 @ 6:53am

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      Yet again, someone doesn't know what an argumentum ad hominem is. But hey, you have apparently know how to do libel. Good job.

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    Anonymous Coward, 20 Jan 2019 @ 10:54pm

    McJesus is in the house.

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    Anonymous Coward, 21 Jan 2019 @ 5:37am

    1000,s of singers, creators upload their art to websites ,like youtube
    they may just upload it for free advertising and promotion .
    Every film and video game has a trailer on youtube.
    The artists do not have to pay for hosting costs ,
    the cost of streaming video ,bandwidth etc
    they reach their fans and make new fans .
    Most artists do not have the time or the expertise
    to make a website or deal with hosting, dns servers etc
    If someone gets over 100k views or subs they can opt to become a youtube partner and earn revenue
    from ads .
    So who is getting ripped off here ?
    who is losing revenue ?
    Creators can also opt to go to patreon or twitch
    or other websites where they can recieve direct
    payments from fans .
    The record companys and some german newspapers were willing to destroy all
    this and block millions of user,s uploads and reduce free
    speech in order to get more money from
    facebook or youtube .
    Yes there are major problems with youtube and its dmca policys taking down videos that are fair use
    or not owned by the person who makes a dmca claim .
    But youtube ,twitch and other websites have created
    a platform where artists can make a living without
    getting ripped off or giving up the rights to their work and reach an audience that might
    be judged of minority or specialist appeal.
    eg no tv channel would broadcast a 5 hour video
    of someone playing a 10 year old video game
    or 2 hour podcast about video game news .
    Under article 13 much of this content would be blocked as theres no filter that can check millions of video,s and audio clips uploaded every day to see if its infringing or fair use .

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      Digitari, 21 Jan 2019 @ 5:54am

      Re:

      Why can't we have a copyright data base and you pay a "small" fee to administer. If you aren't in the data base you get nothing (ya know, like it used to be)

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        Anonymous Coward, 21 Jan 2019 @ 7:26am

        Re: Re:

        Why can't we have a copyright data base and you pay a "small" fee to administer.

        The scale of publishing on the Internet. Registration worked when it was the gatekeepers doing the registration after selecting a few submitted works for publication. It becomes an enormously expensive system when every photo, blog article, sound track, book and video published on the Internet has to be dealt with.

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          Anonymous Coward, 21 Jan 2019 @ 3:15pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          Automatic copyright is awful, the internet notwithstanding. Further, the internet had absolutely nothing to do with automatic copyright and renewal. Registration is still required to exercise many of the provisions granted by copyright.

          So yes, in general, going back to pre-Bicentennial copyright would generally be a much better idea in most cases.

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            Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 21 Jan 2019 @ 3:32pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            The thing about automatic copyright registration that is bad is that there is no record of the registration. If we went back to registration, and asked a minimal fee ($5.00 comes to mind, but then why wouldn't $1.00 work?) we would then be able to create an actual database of copyrighted materials. With a database of copyrighted materials we could curtail many of the inappropriate DMCA notices, and (not holding my breath here) be able to actually sanction those.

            There will still be the, now usual, complaints of plagiarism, or as is more commonly known remixing, short snippets of notes, words, video clips, few of which might actually be called original, as much passed prior to the advent of copyright, or current laws (See Disney and the Brothers Grimm for example).

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              Anonymous Coward, 21 Jan 2019 @ 4:29pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              You do not get the sale of original material being published to the Internet every second. Also, not that there is often a delay of seconds between creation and publication. Any registration requirement could require more time to deal with than it takes to frame up and take and stunning picture and then publish it on The internet. Also, if there are unregistered works being published, and an automated registration system (about the only way of dealing with the volume), what is stop people stealing other peoples works by registering.

              Also, how are registrations validated, and how are disputes resolved. If registration is not mandatory, what will proven theft of a works by the registration of the unregistered works of other people?

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                Killercool (profile), 21 Jan 2019 @ 4:34pm

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                Simple: Not registered means you didn't care enough to copyright it.

                Therefore it's public domain. Just as it was in the whole history of the world before automatic copyright.

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                  Killercool (profile), 21 Jan 2019 @ 4:38pm

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                  Just to be clear, That's the whole history of the world before 1978.

                  It's only been 40 years, but what a mess such a seemingly simple change has made of it all.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 21 Jan 2019 @ 4:56pm

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                  That made sense when few works were ever published. Now on the Internet, if registration is easy and cheap, there are those who will find and register unregistered works so that they can profit from them, while removing free copies from the Internet.

                  Copyright, in its original form as permission from a censor for a printer to publish a book, and latter as the way publishers controlled the production of books is only as old as the printing press. Most of human history has been free of copyright, and indeed people copying works were how they spread and were kept alive.

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                    Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 21 Jan 2019 @ 5:16pm

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                    "...there are those who will find and register unregistered works so that they can profit from them..."

                    No system is perfect. The thing here is being able to produce 'prior art'. If one contests something that they believe is copyrighted under false pretenses, all one needs to do is show some prior art. It might be some sheet music produced in the 1800's or it might be a digital recording with a time stamp prior to the 'requested copyright'.

                    There will be battles, no question, but those battles (rightly or wrongly) will depend upon the perceived current and/or future value of the copyrighted piece, as those battles won't be cheap. Of course copyright should be much shorter, like maybe the original, what was it, 14 years with a possible extension to 28 years (which should require some significant payment or else the extension isn't actually worth it)?

                    To some degree, copyright is about economics. The rest is about crediting creators for whatever intrinsic value that has, which is not inconsiderable, though not necessarily fungible for money.

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                      Anonymous Coward, 22 Jan 2019 @ 3:35am

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                      To some degree, copyright is about economics.

                      It is primarily about money, and who can make money off of the works of creators. It give corporations the advantage over individuals, because the corporation can afford the lawyers, while the individuals cannot.

                      I think the real intent of article 13 was to allow the legacy publishers to destroy the competition on the Internet by enabling them to sue any site into bankruptcy. Hint derivative work is an easy claim to make, and expensive to disprove.

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                Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 21 Jan 2019 @ 5:02pm

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                To some degree this could be dealt with by having your work uploaded to the copyright database at the same time as it is uploaded to XYZ venue. The issues of plagiarism would need to be dealt with later, and the issue of fair use would need to be better defined so that the typical person on the street could make such a determination, even though many of those would still be challenged in courts.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 21 Jan 2019 @ 7:53pm

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Registratio

                  One thing to keep in mind for cheap and easy copyright registration - people can and will register everything they can - even if they didn't create it.
                  ESPECIALLY if they didn't create it. Being able to say, "But I own it - I have a REGISTERED Copyright" would be real thing. Just look at how folks are gaming the system now with Content ID. It would be a race to "First to file" with $5 to register and tens of thousands of dollars to contest a registered copyright. (See Trademarks, Patents, etc. for how this works even with obviously invalid inventions and marks.)

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    Anonymous Coward, 22 Jan 2019 @ 4:23am

    as far as this being accused of being a left leaning publication I've seen some absoutely bonkers accusations that this blog has ties with far right white nationalists in random corners of the internet.

    Say one thing no one likes and suddenly you get lumped in with the devil

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