Once Again, Court Rejects Silly Claims That YouTube Provided Material Support For Terrorists

from the that's-not-how-this-works dept

For the past few years we've been covering a whole series of cases, most of them filed by (I'm not making this up) a silly law firm by the name of 1-800-Law-Firm, trying to argue that various big internet companies provided material support to ISIS or other terrorists, and therefore owe tons of money to surviving relatives of people killed by ISIS or other terrorist organizations. There have been lawsuits against Twitter, Facebook and Google/YouTube. So far, all of these lawsuits have failed miserably -- as they should.

Even if the plaintiffs could show that these platforms actively enabled terrorists to use their platform (which they do not, as all of them proactively look to remove terrorist related content), none of the cases makes an even half-hearted attempt to connect the (very unfortunate) deaths of their relatives to any actual content on these platforms. The lawsuits are basically "these bad people use Twitter/Facebook/YouTube, these people killed my relative, thus, those platforms owe me millions of dollars." That, of course, is not how the law works.

In the case filed against Google, it was filed by a relative of someone who was killed in the horrific Paris attacks a few years back. The court had already thrown out the case last year, but allowed a third amended complaint to be filed, which has now been rejected as well (hat tip to Eric Goldman for blogging about this as well).

As with every other such case, the court relied on CDA 230 in throwing it out last year, but the lawyers tried again with an amended complaint, and have failed again. The new complaint made the same four claims the earlier filing did, and added two more, insisting that CDA 230 does not apply to any of them. Once again, the court says the old claims are easily barred under CDA 230:

Claims one through four seek to impose liability on Google for knowingly permitting ISIS and its followers to post content on YouTube.... These claims still “inherently require[] the court to treat [Google] as the publisher or speaker of [third-party] content” because they “require recourse to that content to establish liability or implicate a defendant’s role . . . in publishing or excluding third party communications.” ... The [Third Amended Complaint] TAC alleges that Google “knowingly provided” its YouTube platform and other services to ISIS, and that ISIS “embraced and used” YouTube “as a powerful tool for terrorism,” allowing it “to connect its members and to facilitate [its] ability to communicate, recruit members, plan and carry out attacks, and strike fear in its enemies.”... It further alleges that Google “refuse[d] to actively identify ISIS YouTube accounts” or to make “substantial or sustained efforts to ensure that ISIS would not re-establish the accounts using new identifiers.” ... Claims one through four allege that Google violated the material support statutes by permitting ISIS and its supporters to publish harmful material on YouTube, and by failing to do enough to remove that content and the users responsible for posting the material. These claims target Google’s decisions whether to publish, withdraw, exclude, or alter content, which is “precisely the kind of activity for which section 230 was meant to provide immunity.” Roommates, 521 F.3d at 1170. “[A]ny activity that can be boiled down to deciding whether to exclude material that third parties seek to post online is perforce immune under section 230.” Id. at 1170-71. Claims one through four remain “inextricably bound up with the content of ISIS’s postings, since their allegations describe a theory of liability based on the ‘essential’ role that YouTube has played ‘in the rise of ISIS to become the most feared terrorist organization in the world.’” ...

In a contorted argument, Plaintiffs assert that they may rely upon third party content to support their claims without “running afoul of Section 230.”... Although they do not tie this theory to any particular claim in the TAC, it appears to be their response to the court’s determination that the claims in the SAC were “inextricably bound up with the content of ISIS’s postings.” ... Plaintiffs offer a lengthy discussion of In re Incretin-Based Therapies Products Liability Litigation, 721 Fed. Appx. 580, 583 (9th Cir. 2017). There, the Ninth Circuit reversed a trial court’s determination that certain discovery was irrelevant to whether federal law preempted the state law claims, where the discovery was relevant to the merits of the state law claims themselves. According to Plaintiffs, In re Incretin-Based Therapies supports their argument that “[e]vidence which would support” a finding that Google violated the ATA “is not the same as holding [Google] responsible for the content of third parties.” ... Plaintiffs’ argument is hard to follow and not persuasive. In re Incretin-Based Therapies does not address section 230(c)(1) or the ATA. Plaintiffs’ argument appears to be a variation on their previous contention that their claims are based upon “Google’s provision of the means for ISIS followers to self-publish content, rather than challenging the actual content itself.” ... The court rejected this argument, holding that Plaintiffs’ allegations in the SAC were inconsistent with their attempt to avoid section 230 immunity by “divorc[ing] ISIS’s offensive content from the ability to post such content.”... So too here. Plaintiffs do not allege that they have been harmed by the mere provision of the YouTube platform to ISIS and its followers. Instead, they allege that “ISIS uses YouTube as a tool and a weapon of terrorism,” and that ISIS recruits, plans, incites, instructs, threatens, and communicates its terror message on YouTube. ... Plaintiffs’ claims “are not premised solely on the theory that Google provided a publishing or communication platform to ISIS; they are further grounded in the allegation that Google failed to prevent ISIS from using YouTube to transmit its hateful message, which resulted in great harm.”....

In sum, the court concludes that Plaintiffs’ claims one through four seek to treat Google as the publisher or speaker of ISIS’s YouTube videos.

Then, there's an attempt to get around CDA 230 by saying that YouTube "recommends" ISIS videos (which it does not, but that's not the issue at this stage of the game). Like many others in the past, here the lawyers tried to use the Roommates.com ruling to argue around CDA 230. If you don't recall, in the Roommates case, the court rules that while most of Roommate's activities were protected by CDA 230, one part that was not protected was a pulldown menu allowing people to prefer certain races -- violating the Fair Housing Act. Since Roommates.com itself created the content in that pulldown, which violated the law, it was held liable for that content alone. Here, the lawyers tried to claim that YouTube recommending videos qualified for that kind of Roommates treatment. Except this is self-evidently wrong. Because Roommates only applied to content specifically created by the platform, while CDA 230 explicitly exempts editorial judgments by a platform. And recommending videos is clearly the latter, rather than the former:

Plaintiffs’ “new” theory fares no better this time around. The TAC does not contain any allegation that Google “materially contribut[ed]” in any way to the content of ISIS videos by promoting ISIS-related content. It does not allege that Google’s content recommendation features either created or developed ISIS content, or played any role at all in making ISIS’s terrorist videos objectionable or unlawful.

As Eric Goldman notes, the court does go on a really random tangent, talking about "neutral tools," which is completely meaningless here.

As for the new claims -- five and six -- the court is still unimpressed, more or less noting that this is just the lawyers trying to rephrase earlier, rejected claims:

Plaintiffs’ “new” concealment claim does little more than restate the material support claims in a slightly different form. All of those claims are barred by section 230(c)(1) as discussed above. Based on the allegations in the TAC, at its core, Plaintiffs’ concealment claim ultimately seeks to hold Google liable for allegedly failing to prevent ISIS and its supporters from using YouTube, and by failing to remove ISIS videos from YouTube. As with claims one through four, the concealment claim “requires recourse to that content” to establish any causal connection between Google permitting ISIS to use YouTube and the Paris attack. The claim thus “inherently requires the court to treat [Google] as the ‘publisher or speaker’” of ISIS content.

Claim six has similar problems:

As with claim five, Plaintiffs’ IEEPA claim is a restated version of their material support claims. It is based on the allegation that Google provided services to ISIS by permitting ISIS supporters to use the YouTube platform, including allowing supporters to post videos (“received property or interest in property of ISIS”) and utilize YouTube’s functions (including “downloading or copying videos”). This claim ultimately seeks to hold Google liable for failing to prevent ISIS and its supporters from using YouTube and failing to remove ISIS-related content from YouTube. As with the prior claims, the IEEPA claim “requires recourse to that content” to establish any causal connection between YouTube and the Paris attack, and “inherently requires the court to treat [Google] as the ‘publisher or speaker’” of ISIS content

The court also spends some time pointing out that there is no "proximate causation" between YouTube allowing ISIS to use the platform and the attacks in question (which is the key underlying point behind all of this outside of the CDA 230 issue). It points to the 9th Circuit ruling in another one of these cases, Fields v. Twitter, in which the court made it clear that just because some terrorists may have used a social network doesn't mean anyone killed by terrorists gets to sue social networks.

The court does allow for the lawyers to try one more time on one narrow issue. They had claimed that Google shared revenue with ISIS via its YouTube advertising program, which the court finds entirely unconvincing and dismisses -- but notes that since it gave the lawyers a chance to amend other complaints, but hadn't yet done so on the revenue sharing question, they could try again on that, though the court is clearly skeptical.

As Plaintiffs have already been given an opportunity to amend the complaint to avoid CDA immunity, all of their claims other than the revenue sharing claims are dismissed with prejudice. Since the court cannot conclude that further amendment of Plaintiffs’ revenue sharing claims would be futile, they are granted one final opportunity to amend those claims in a manner consistent with Rule 11.

Given that these lawyers have tried these arguments so many times, I'm guessing they won't be giving up just yet. But it seems like this case is destined for the same end result as all the others.


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  • identicon
    Anonymous Hero, 22 Aug 2018 @ 9:59am

    They're probably better off suing the USA Gov't, which has given far more material support than youtube. Think tanks, humvees, small arms, anti-tank weapons, anti-aircraft weapons, ammo, etc, etc.

    Defense contractors have set up a clever cycle with the gov't:

    (1) Government uses tax dollars to buy weapons and ship them to the middle east.

    (2) Weapons fall into the hands of/delivered to terrorists.

    (3) Spend more tax dollars to buy weapons to defeat the weapons that ended up with terrorists.

    (4) Profit!

    (5) Repeat.

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    • identicon
      Will B., 22 Aug 2018 @ 12:58pm

      Think tanks

      For a moment there I was confused; the US government provided terrorists with think tanks? Do terrorists run their plans by focus groups? :p

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      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 22 Aug 2018 @ 2:18pm

        Re: Think tanks

        1) create a fake crisis
        2) propose an invasion
        3) leave all the hardware due to coasts
        4) terrorists get supplies
        5) ramp up anti-terrorism rhetoric
        6) start new war
        7) profit!!!!!

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 22 Aug 2018 @ 9:59am

    Just give it time...

    There is already a public outcry to hold Content/Social Platforms responsible for things like this. Politicians will take notice and create Fosta/Sesta like laws for things like this as well.

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    • identicon
      temporarily frustrated millionare, 22 Aug 2018 @ 11:16am

      Re: Just give it time...

      Maybe they will hold the water companies responsible for keeping those blasted terror-rats hydrated.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 22 Aug 2018 @ 10:01am

    Only a matter of time

    I can't wait to be able to sue the local construction company for paving roads that facilitate high speed car chases.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 22 Aug 2018 @ 11:17am

      Re: Only a matter of time

      Really!
      How dare those bloody leftists allow terrorist scum to make use of our infrastructure.

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    • identicon
      Christenson, 22 Aug 2018 @ 11:24am

      Re: Only a matter of time

      lol... how about we sue verizon...since I'm sure at least one of the school shooters had a verizon phone, they were materially supporting terrorism!

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  • identicon
    I.T. Guy, 22 Aug 2018 @ 10:08am

    1-800-Law-Firm

    They have cheesy late night ads here in PA.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 22 Aug 2018 @ 10:17am

    I strongly hope that the lawyers took this case on commission, so that they're the ones bearing the cost of their failures, rather than collecting money from the plaintiff for actions that a good lawyer ought to know are doomed to fail. I don't know if the plaintiffs do or should know how futile this is, but their lawyers definitely should.

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    Gary (profile), 22 Aug 2018 @ 10:24am

    A clear win

    I'm sure the lawyers are being compensated in some way for this waste of time.

    Surprised Mr. Smith hasn't dropped in to explain how 230 is to blame for terrorism, and his plan to shut down the interwebs will benefit small authors like him while also stopping terrorism.

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    orbitalinsertion (profile), 22 Aug 2018 @ 2:37pm

    I still don't even understand the takedown of "terrorist-related" content. That stuff is ripe for response videos. As for editorializing, shove all of it under a tag or into a metachannel named "lol, look at these assholes".

    You can radicalize way more anti-terrorists than potential terrorists with terrorist-generated content. The whole removal thing is theatre anyway.

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), 22 Aug 2018 @ 8:21pm

    If only there were these like... groups who were like in charge of punishing lawyers when they take a clients money for a pointless case that law precludes from the get go.

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  • icon
    Dirkmaster (profile), 23 Aug 2018 @ 9:19am

    i was just going to ask that

    is there no law/rule that would punish a lawyer for bringing the same failed lawsuit over and over again. I mean, can't a judge see that this is the fourth such lawsuit that has been dismissed, and say "You guys suck. Give me your licenses!"

    Just wonderin'

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