Too Much Free Time

by Tim Cushing


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cyberwar, draft, hackers



The US Government Is Considering Drafting Middle-Aged Hackers To Fight The Cyberwar

from the could-not-have-found-a-worse-way-to-approach-its-personnel-problem dept

There's no time like the near future to be conscripted into military service. Due to citizens' declining interest in being personally involved in the government's multiple Forever Wars, the Commission on Military, National and Public Service is exploring its options. And one of the options on the table is removing restrictions on certain draftees (or volunteers) headed for certain positions in the armed forces.

Got hacking skills? Uncle Sam may want you for the U.S. Army—even if you’re far past traditional draft age.

The National Commission on Military, National and Public Service is seeking public feedback on a slew of possible changes to the way the government handles its selective service requirements, including drafting people with cyber skills regardless of their age or gender.

The commission study was directed by Congress in the 2017 version of the National Defense Authorization Act, an annual defense policy bill, and is due to Congress in 2020.

This expansion would net the government essential personnel needed to fight the still-undeclared Cyberwar. No matter your age or severity of bone spurs, the government might have a desk job for you. And you might not have a say in the matter. If the commission recommends a draft targeting key non-combat personnel, people in their thirties and forties might find themselves parachuting telecommuting into the war zone despite having careers in place elsewhere.

The key points of the Commission's directive [PDF] can be found in this paragraph.

Congress has specifically directed the Commission to consider:

“(1) the need for a military selective service process, including the continuing need for a mechanism to draft large numbers of replacement combat troops;

(2) means by which to foster a greater attitude and ethos of service among United States youth, including an increased propensity for military service;

(3) the feasibility and advisability of modifying the military selective service process in order to obtain for military, national, and public service individuals with skills (such as medical, dental, and nursing skills, language skills, cyber skills, and science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) skills) for which the Nation has a critical need, without regard to age or sex; and

(4) the feasibility and advisability of including in the military selective service process, as so modified, an eligibility or entitlement for the receipt of one or more Federal benefits (such as educational benefits, subsidized or secured student loans, grants or hiring preferences) specified by the Commission for purposes of the review.”

Congress may be looking to reinstate the draft. It seems we wouldn't need to "draft large numbers of replacement troops" if we weren't continually sending them off to foreign lands to get shot at or blown up. Scaling back our military presence might nip the draft idea in the bud, but with few exceptions, things have only escalated since September 11, 2001, rather than cooled down.

Dropping the age and sex requirement for other positions is wise, but it quickly becomes foolhardy once it's no longer voluntary. The reason the government can't keep the military stocked is it's done all it can over the past 50 years to destroy Americans' faith in it. Things went south reputationally during the Vietnam War, which is the last time the draft was in place. A bungled "military action," punctuated by atrocities, extended for purely political reasons, and ended with what one could generously call a "tie," did little to warm the hearts of American citizens. The years since then have seen "wars on" various ideas declared, with no definitive enemy or endpoint. There's not a lot of enthusiasm left for joining the world's police force, especially when threats to American way of life shift with White House regime changes. The rebels we once sold arms to are now a terrorist organization in need of stomping out by boots on the ground.

That dovetails into the second task of the Commission: "fostering a greater attitude and ethos of service." This is the government's fault and the government needs to fix it. It won't be able to do it overnight or even in time to rustle up a bunch of "replacement troops" to send to whatever area of the world is in need of gunpoint democracy. I'm sure the final report may have something to say about millennials failing to adopt the ethos and pro-American enthusiasm of their generational predecessors, but who could blame them? The Social Security safety net will have dried up before they have a chance to access it and their economic future is in the hands of malicious actors the government has never shown an interest in punishing. (See every administration ever vs. "too big to fail.")

Knowing this ship won't be righted easily may prompt the Commission to suggest something no one would imagine being enacted here. A few pages down, the Commission asks a bunch of questions of itself -- one that would appear to answer another one, but with a "solution" most commonly found in totalitarian dictatorships.

(1) Is a military draft or draft contingency still a necessary component of U.S. national security?

(2) Are modifications to the selective service system needed?

(3) How can the United States increase participation in military, national, and public service by individuals with skills critical to address the national security and other public service needs of the nation?

(4) What are the barriers to participation in military, national, or public service?

(5) Does service have inherent value, and, if so, what is it?

(6) Is a mandatory service requirement for all Americans necessary, valuable, and feasible?

(7) How does the United States increase the propensity for Americans, particularly young Americans, to serve?

Yes, one sure way to "increase participation" is to mandate participation via a draft. Another way is to make it mandatory across the board for all citizens, making the draft redundant. Neither of these efforts will solve other problems like "fostering a greater attitude or ethos of service." If either of these are enacted, the military will be full of people who don't want to be there and who won't have their eye on anything other than the calendar. This will only exacerbate the military's current issues. The only thing it addresses is the need for periodic infusions of cannon fodder.

The cyberwar the government has been gearing up to fight for most the last decade will be another Forever War. Even if it's a bloodless battle, it will be far from harmless. The government already makes policy decisions based on highly-speculative attribution. In the future, it will engage in both cyberwar and conventional war using the same information. There won't be bodies to bury, but someone's going to end up taking out the wrong critical infrastructure or targeting the wrong critical government entity based on political wind shifts. A steady infusion of keyboard warriors may sound like a good idea, but displacing people and uprooting their lives to act on political whims won't restore faith in the US of A. No one's going to be throwing parades for cyberveterans marching home with college money and participation ribbons. And if the tech side of the military industrial complex thinks it already has a problem with insider threats, just wait till it's mostly composed of people who have been pressed into service against their will.


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    Ninja (profile), 12 Mar 2018 @ 9:48am

    "Middle-Aged Hackers"

    Picture Middle Ages crusaders or something wearing shiny plate armors. Coincidentally dark, stone dungeons devoid of technology seems to be on par with reality in many governmental bodies.

    Ahem.

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      Sharur (profile), 12 Mar 2018 @ 12:06pm

      Re:

      But if we are going back to the Middle Ages, does that mean we become wizards? What with our ability to divine information and (somewhat, thank you basic physics and electric circuits classes) control the power of electricity, and all? :b

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    Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 12 Mar 2018 @ 10:00am

    I can see it now

    Captain: Lieutenants, get your squads to nerd harder and faster.

    Lieutenants: Sargents, the Captain tells us that we are not nerding up to speed and quality. Get some discipline in your troops.

    Sargents: Troops, you are hereby ordered to nerd harder and faster. The other squads are ahead of us. You had better get some ideas quick, or there is gonna be some hell to pay.

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      Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 1:01pm

      Re: I can see it now

      PFC (Praying For Civilian) Hacker #1: Who is this 'General Failure', and WHY is he reading my Drive C:\?

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    Ryunosuke (profile), 12 Mar 2018 @ 10:46am

    Trump administration... drafting...

    Suddenly all hackers picked for said draft are going to get an exemption because of either Carpal Tunnel or Bone Spurs.

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 10:51am

    "mandatory service requirement"

    > Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a
    >punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly
    >convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place
    >subject to their jurisdiction.

    Just how long has the 13th amendment been a dead letter?

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      Qwertygiy, 12 Mar 2018 @ 11:09am

      Re: "mandatory service requirement"

      The 13th amendment has been exempted since the start, according to the Supreme Court.

      Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution itself:

      The Congress shall have Power To [...] raise and support Armies; [...] To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; [...] To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States.

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        Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 12:07pm

        Re: Re: "mandatory service requirement"

        Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution itself:

        ...hardly seems relevant, because it was since amended. But not surprising that SCOTUS is willing to directly contradict the law.

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        Alphonse Tomato, 12 Mar 2018 @ 1:29pm

        Re: Re: "mandatory service requirement"

        Would that be the same Militia mentioned in the 2nd amendment? Maybe a good draft pool there with the 2nd partisans. A few of them are actually people with IT jobs.

        And they're already sharpshooters. Which is good, given the military's tendency to reassign specialists to wherever more bodies are needed. Clerk-typists can suddenly become tank drivers, why can't hackers suddenly become infantry?

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      Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 11:17am

      Re: "mandatory service requirement"

      Duties seem to have a jurisprudence ignoring such things unfortunately under 'duties'. Probably English common law inherited. Like obscenity laws. It would have been wonderful if a radical interpretation was taken and upheld. Even though say a George Washington and King George slash fiction would have appalled and offended nearly everyone at the time still held as legal. There seems to be a sad societal tendency to stumble upon revolutionary ideas and then decide 'no that can't be right" and then scale them back. Like Einstein declaring that god does not play dice with the world upon stumbling upon quantum mechanics after figuring out relativity and time dilattion or the Pythagoreans freaking out and suppressing the truth about irrational numbers. Personally I take the view we need to accept the truth even when the implications are disconcerting and uncomfortable, no especially then. That feeling means we were all wrong and have the potential to be more right than ever conceived as possible before.

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        OA (profile), 12 Mar 2018 @ 12:58pm

        Re: Re: "mandatory service requirement"

        There seems to be a sad societal tendency to stumble upon revolutionary ideas and then decide 'no that can't be right" and then scale them back. Like Einstein declaring that god does not play dice with the world upon stumbling upon quantum mechanics after figuring out relativity and time dilattion or the Pythagoreans freaking out and suppressing the truth about irrational numbers. Personally I take the view we need to accept the truth even when the implications are disconcerting and uncomfortable, no especially then. That feeling means we were all wrong and have the potential to be more right than ever conceived as possible before.

        <Emphasis added>

        Yikes! No, No, No, No... Noooo! I'm making a presumption, but you should avoid excessive certainty, ESPECIALLY when your information does not come from first hand knowledge. NOT "the truth", but theories, ideas, conventions, tools, etc... That comment was written as if from understanding but it reads as if from blind faith (and perhaps a couple of other things).

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          JoeCool (profile), 12 Mar 2018 @ 2:49pm

          Re: Re: Re: "mandatory service requirement"

          Very good point. **Truth** is for mathematicians and philosophers. That's one of the biggest problems with physics today - too many pure mathematicians trying to argue that since the math is *true*, it must be *real*. Any engineer worth their salt would laugh in the face of such a claim. I learned that while math may be true, it's often not real all the way back in middle-school algebra.

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      Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 11:33am

      Re: "mandatory service requirement"

      Just how long has the 13th amendment been a dead letter?

      Oh, you finally got around to reading Comrade Schenck's pamphlet ?

      The document in question upon its first printed side recited the first section of the Thirteenth Amendment, said that the idea embodied in it was violated by the Conscription Act and that a conscript is little better than a convict.

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 10:51am

    Could help Canadian tech companies

    the military will be full of people who don't want to be there and who won't have their eye on anything other than the calendar.

    If it's anything like last time, Canada will get a huge influx of tech workers, thereby reversing the "brain drain" Canadian policians used to always be complaining about.

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      Roger Strong (profile), 12 Mar 2018 @ 11:43am

      Re: Could help Canadian tech companies

      Meanwhile American companies will increase their hiring of foreign tech workers. Because they'll be immune to being drafted at any moment, with the company required to hold their position for them for years until they get back.

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        JoeCool (profile), 12 Mar 2018 @ 2:54pm

        Re: Re: Could help Canadian tech companies

        No, that wouldn't help. Foreign students, visitors, or diplomats are exempt, but foreign workers are not.

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          Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 5:07pm

          Re: Re: Re: Could help Canadian tech companies

          Foreign students, visitors, or diplomats are exempt, but foreign workers are not.

          So if I have a company full of Russian and Chinese hackers, they're going to bring them right onto the US Army computer networks? I'm no military expert but I feel like something's not quite right with this idea.

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    Jordan, 12 Mar 2018 @ 10:52am

    drugs

    But they'll still drug check them and wonder why none of the talented hackers want to work for the US government.

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 10:58am

    "fostering a greater attitude and ethos of service."

    wtf - aka, brainwashing

    Gotta draft em ... why compete when you don't have to?

    Such draftees will not have the "greater attitude and ethos of service" they desire, it's juast the way it is ... they will have a boot camp - for grey haired hackers? This sounds like a comedy waiting to happen.

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    Josie's Pussycat, 12 Mar 2018 @ 10:59am

    Real source documents

    Rather than post links to nextgov.com and some rando's documentcloud, why not link directly to the Federal Register? Your readers might be interested in actually submitting comments (before April 18), although based on the FCC's recent response to public input, maybe silence would be a better option?
    https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/02/16/2018-03261/request-for-information-on-im proving-the-military-selective-service-process-and-increasing

    You may submit comments, identified by Docket No. 05-2018-01, by any of the following methods:
    Email: national.commission.on.service.info@mail.mil. Please include the docket number in the subject line of the message.

    Website: http://www.inspire2serve.gov/​content/​share-your-thoughts. Follow the instructions on the page to submit a comment and include the docket number in the comment.

    Mail: National Commission on Military, National, and Public Service, Attn: RFI COMMENT—Docket 05-2018-01, 2530 Crystal Drive, Suite 1000, Room 1029 Arlington, VA 22202.

    All submissions received must include the docket number. If the Commission cannot read your comment due to technical difficulties and cannot contact you for clarification, the Commission may not be able to consider your comment. Late comments will be considered.

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 11:06am

    Consequences

    "In the future, it will engage in both cyberwar and conventional war using the same information. There won't be bodies to bury [...]"

    Yes. There will. There already have been. It's just that the connection between the warfare and the deaths isn't quite as direct and obvious as "one of our soldiers shot one of yours". And that's not by accident: one of the best ways to conduct a war without being overt about it is to obscure that linkage. It allows you to deny the existence of the conflict to everyone: allies, adversaries, and your own population and political institutions.

    But this is a very dangerous strategy for the US -- because it's the nation deploying more attackable infrastructure than any other. Every day, billions of dollars are spent constructing more...and all any adversary has to do is wait and watch, choosing the time when damaging the target will have the maximum effect. From electronic voting systems to Twitter, from the IOT to healthcare databases, we're deploying more targets every day.

    When the bill for that comes due, it will be as much in blood as it is in dollars.

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      Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 1:16pm

      Re: Consequences

      Well - maybe they should hire a few good engineers ... in order to establish the fact that critical hardware should never be connected to the internet and then see to it that it is implemented.

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      That One Guy (profile), 12 Mar 2018 @ 6:05pm

      Re: Consequences

      From electronic voting systems to Twitter, from the IOT to healthcare databases, we're deploying more targets every day.

      Oh it's far worse than that, the US not only has an increasingly large amount of targets for adversaries to hit, it's also got people as high up as FBI Director trying to make those targets even easier to hit.

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    AnonCow, 12 Mar 2018 @ 11:25am

    What cyberwar? Where? Never heard of such a thing.

    Jointly,
    D. Trump
    V. Trump

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 11:32am

    You can't control people smarter than you are

    Hackers are generally higher IQ than average in addition to having basic skills and experience in out of the box thinking. Forcing those people to work for you regardless of intent is a recipe for disaster. Snowden would be a pleasant memory in comparison.

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    Roger Strong (profile), 12 Mar 2018 @ 11:33am

    18-year-olds drafted for Vietnam didn't have families, mortgages and car loans the way today's 40-year-olds do. Nor did they have a decade or two of advancement in their jobs.

    Any draft is going to have to come with orders for the banks to put those debts on hold. And for employers to hold the draftees' positions.

    I wouldn't hold my breath for that to happen reliably.

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      Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 11:52am

      Re:

      I wouldn't hold my breath for that to happen reliably.

      I doubt that the congress critters will hold themselves to the same standard too. If I am subject to the draft, than so should they.

      Maybe not as a cybersecurity expert, but I'd love to see them go over and serve a couple tours (for those that haven't already done so in the current countries we are fighting in, though I doubt there are many of those.)

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        Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 12:16pm

        Re: Re:

        Actually, I disagree. Congress already is part of the war effort. They're in charge of finances, treaties and demands, making sure the forces have access to the required technology and personnel.

        It would wound the war effort if, say, a member of your Senate Intelligence Committee got drafted. Even worse if they got captured!

        Besides, what exactly would a 50-year-old lawyer provide to an army's front lines or support troops that would not be significantly less than a younger man?

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          Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 1:19pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          "Congress already is part of the war effort."

          Are they prisoners of war?
          Do corporations honor the Geneva convention?

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      Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 12:05pm

      Re:

      Any draft is going to have to come with orders for the banks to put those debts on hold. And for employers to hold the draftees' positions.

      Why? A lot of Vietnam veterans still haven't recovered. You're being very optimistic about what the government will "have to" do. The relevant question isn't whether they have families etc., it's whether they'll vote out anyone who supports this.

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        Roger Strong (profile), 12 Mar 2018 @ 12:33pm

        Re: Re:

        With Vietnam, America was used to the draft. Not so, today.

        With Vietnam, the lower class kids were drafted. Not so with the sons of the wealthy and powerful. (Do a quick poll of Presidents, VPs and the candidates for those positions over the last 20 years. That's a lot of deferments and exemptions.)

        But with this plan, they're talking about drafting middle-aged professionals. They have power and influence, and now the internet. If they start losing their homes because they were drafted, it'll have greater consequences.

        And it won't just be them exerting pressure. The banks will too, faced with draftees unable to pay debts on a scale unseen in Vietnam.

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          Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 1:21pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          used to the draft ... ummm right

          Where is that Country Joe and the Fish album

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            Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 2:12pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            Conscription was in place from 1940 (pre-WWII) through 1969. It was very much part of America for baby boomers.

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              Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 2:24pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              WWII was much different that VN.
              I agree it was common place for a long time, however - the 60s showed that it was not supported any more.

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 12:50pm

    They don't want us

    We know they're fucking morons, and we're old enough to not think twice about telling them as much.

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    TongueInCheek, 12 Mar 2018 @ 12:56pm

    It's a plot for youth to have more babies

    https://thinkprogress.org/paul-ryan-says-american-women-need-to-have-more-babies-dc45cb1afec2/

    "Allud ing to the fact that he’s a father of three, Ryan added, “I did my part, but we need to have higher birth rates in this country. Meaning, baby boomers are retiring, and we have fewer people following them in the work force.”"

    Here you go: conflating economics with population with the need to "draft" older persons to allow younger persons to have babies....

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    Nathan F (profile), 12 Mar 2018 @ 12:59pm

    Next up!

    Next up on the agenda for this.. "Remember, service guarantees citizenship!*" So do your part for national security.

    *Thank you Mr. Robert Heinlien.

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      Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 1:23pm

      Re: Next up!

      Would you like to know more?

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      JoeCool (profile), 12 Mar 2018 @ 3:08pm

      Re: Next up!

      Serving allowed you to vote and run for office. How many people don't do that already? And while being in the military doesn't guarantee the candidate isn't a complete waste of flesh, it would at least filter out the casual grifters from public office.

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    Agammamon, 12 Mar 2018 @ 1:04pm

    Hmm. The government might want to consider the 'unintended' consequences of shanghaiing experienced but unwilling IT professionals with a specialty in getting into computer systems and causing/preventing havoc.

    When the government is telling you that you will serve or die its not that difficult to figure out who the enemy really is.

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 1:15pm

    Dropping the age and sex requirement for other positions is wise, but it quickly becomes foolhardy once it's no longer voluntary.

    Why? If we're going to have a draft, why shouldn't it be equal-opportunity? Especially for positions that don't require physical strength and stamina.

    The reason given seems to be that people would resent it, but it's not like draft-age males don't also resent it.

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      Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 1:21pm

      Re:

      They're more malleable and less insidious though.

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        JoeCool (profile), 12 Mar 2018 @ 3:12pm

        Re: Re:

        Yeah, if there's gonna be someone bitter and resentful in charge of anything computer related in the military, I want it to be some snot-nosed young punk who doesn't know anything, not someone with the age and experience to turn it into a nightmare.

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    cpt kangarooski, 12 Mar 2018 @ 1:22pm

    Huh, I guess the Simpsons predicted this after all

    Bart: (referring to the educational cartoon) What the hell is this?

    Lisa: It's one of those campy seventies throwbacks that appeal to Generation X-ers.

    Bart: We need another Vietnam to thin out their ranks a little.

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      Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 1:29pm

      Re: Huh, I guess the Simpsons predicted this after all

      The new intro will show Bart hacking the programmable white board and running a script to dup his required sentence.

      Wait, didn't they already do that?

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    ECA (profile), 12 Mar 2018 @ 1:59pm

    draft? A gov. job?

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      ECA (profile), 12 Mar 2018 @ 2:07pm

      Re: draft? A gov. job?

      funny.
      The USA gov. hires corps(created internally or by the Political parties) to do the jobs the Gov. will pay for.
      Both sides Bitch when the gov. creates another agency to do something. So they HIRE IT OUT.

      Be a Drone pilot, get hired by a 3rd party and get paid BETTER then our military.
      Be an Armed guard for Politicians, in the military zones, and get 10 times the military wage..

      I find it fun, that there are millions of people that Both Gov. and military wont hire..Disabled, and SHORT..but REAL smart people that can help in MANY other ways.. Even a person in a wheelchair can run a hyster. Get a hint here. There are allot of people WHO WANT THE JOBS..

      But, long ago, Someone Bitched that the Gov. was to big, and needed to Cut back and many things, and they Cut everything, (AS A CORP WOULD) and now we have lots of problems..
      LETS FIX THINGS.

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    Uriel-238 (profile), 12 Mar 2018 @ 2:12pm

    Wait, wait, this is a movie in the making.

    Act One: Hackers get drafted to hack for the military.

    Act Two: While sometimes saving lives and sometimes engaging in Caltech / MIT style hijinks, draftee hackers discover the military is doing Bad Things. because of course they are.

    All is lost moment: Military extorts draftee hackers to toe the line for big black ops mission.

    Act Three: draftee hackers go rogue, turn the black ops mission into a hilarious media spectacle and broadcast evidence globally incriminating their superiors.

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    Jonas, 12 Mar 2018 @ 2:29pm

    A return of the draft might be one of the best things we could ask for. It's fucking hard to be a warmongering Democracy with a draft. You know why we pulled out of Vietnam? Because we didn't finish transitioning to an all-volunteer army first. When little Bobby gets drafted and dies on some foreign shore, it's a tragedy and people get upset. When little Bobby volunteers and dies on some foreign shore, he's a fucking hero. This is why the anti-war movement in America is dead. Oh, a lot of people are all like "War is wrong!", and you'll find the occasional comment about how awful the things we do are, but so few American's care enough to get off their ass and *do* something about it.

    That said, nothing I read here actually points to bringing back the draft. It's a commission looking at adjusting the rules to make drafting middle aged desk jockeys (and women) a thing for our increasingly desk jockey military, instead of just drafting kids that ain't even old enough to drink. The part that's missing is actually instituting the draft. The draft will never return without a major war to go along with it, because starting it is political suicide.

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      Jonas, 12 Mar 2018 @ 2:51pm

      Re:

      Oops. Can't edit.

      >The reason the government can't keep the military stocked is it's done all it can over the past 50 years to destroy Americans' faith in it.

      Not even remotely true. We can't keep the military stocked because we've put pretty harsh rules on entry. The military is overwhelmingly white and and upper-class as a result. Don't have a high school degree or a GED? You're not getting in the military. Is your IQ 83 or less? That's about 15% of the population, and you aren't allowed in. You have no useful skills, and you're barely smart enough to get in? You got shitty job options in the military such as fuel handler or cook.

      The military could fill it's ranks easily if they accepted people that couldn't keep a 2.5GPA in high school, or if they took highschool dropouts in any meaningful numbers. Except they don't. The average military recruit is giving up opportunities for fairly lucrative careers in the civilian sector, and as a result, it's hard to get every soldier the military needs.

      And this is for enlisted. Officers skew even farther towards the upper classes, having higher requirements to enter.

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    CHRoNoSS, 12 Mar 2018 @ 2:42pm

    go fuck yoursleves

    from this hacker last time they did this shit they go arrest people , so your on your own , and when you keep screwing with everyone eventually you get what you fucking deserve

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    Personanongrata, 12 Mar 2018 @ 2:51pm

    Nothing Good Ever Comes From War

    -The US Government Is Considering Drafting Middle-Aged Hackers To Fight The Cyberwar_

    Hell no, we won't go!

    We don't want/need your stinking war.

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    Roger Strong (profile), 12 Mar 2018 @ 3:02pm

    Wikipedia: List of HTTP status codes

    We're going to need some new ones.

    • Hacker not found
    • Hacker relocated to Canada

    etc.

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 5:24pm

    How dumb is that?

    Consider Reality Winner

    Either she was too dumb to cover her tracks, or she was set up.

    If she was that dumb, then why would you draft unwilling participants?

    If she was set up, then why would anybody want to volunteer?

    Good luck with that one.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_Winner

    The FBI realized the documents had been printed out because the PDF copies sent by The Intercept "appeared to be folded and/or creased, suggesting they had been printed and hand-carried out of a secured space".[23] Next, the NSA did an internal audit, confirming that Winner was one of six workers who had accessed the particular documents on its classified system, but only Winner's computer had been in contact with The Intercept using a personal email account.

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Mar 2018 @ 6:21pm

    Cyber?

    What is that "Cyber" you are talking about?

    http://willusingtheprefixcybermakemelooklikeanidiot.com

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      Anonymous Coward, 13 Mar 2018 @ 8:51pm

      Re: Cyber?

      I couldn't find it on a map, so I asked Google.

      Google Maps thinks that "Cyber Pass" is located somewhere near the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

      But then, I couldn't find "Vietnam" on a map, either...

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), 12 Mar 2018 @ 11:08pm

    Considering how often the feds go after white hats, how are they shocked they can't get any talent?
    Considering they have to stay with the party line of Pot will turn you into demons, how can they get hackers of any skill?

    Perhaps we could draft some middle aged people to run the country who actually still have contact with reality.

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    Save me a cookie, 13 Mar 2018 @ 12:04am

    It won't get up. The ass-ignorant yokels that support these ass-ignorant yokels love war and love the draft, but only wars involving directly bludgeoning people and such, and only drafting of imaginary young unemployed drug addicts, not real people.

    Also, I can't imagine any sort of insider threat program that could screen out the >20% of this demographic that *start* from a position of disgusted contempt for government.

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    Anonymous Coward, 13 Mar 2018 @ 9:01pm

    Dumb question: What does a conscientious cyber objector do?

    If they're not allowed to offend?

    Do they become medics: fixing broken servers; rescuing damaged online reputations; bandaging DDOS'ed websites; etc. ?

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    Social Secrity, 28 Apr 2018 @ 8:01am

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