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CBS Claims It Will Pull All Content Offline Unless It Can Be An Anti-Competitive Ass

from the baby-talk dept

Contract disputes between cable companies and broadcasters have gotten increasingly ugly as programmers demand more and more money for the same content. These retransmission fee fights often result in consumers not only losing access to content they're paying for, but it places the consumer in the position of PR pinata, as each side tries to get consumers annoyed at the other guy. After a few months of bickering, on-screen tickers and blacked out content, the two sides usually agree to a new confidential contract, which then winds its way to the end consumer in the form of yet another cable bill rate hike.

But there's been another troubling aspect to these fights that almost stumbles into net neutrality territory.

Back during a 2010 contract debate between News Corporation and Cablevision, News Corp. took the unprecedented step of blocking all Cablevision broadband customers from accessing Fox content online, whether they subscribe to TV or not. Viacom did the same thing last year when it blocked all CableONE broadband customers (via an IP range block) from accessing Viacom content online. In other words, broadband customers who may even be paying for TV through another provider (like satellite), still found themselves caught in the crossfire, unable to access publicly-available content online.

It's a muddy practice that stumbles somewhere between a net neutrality violation and vanilla jackassery. And it's one of several problems the FCC is trying to resolve after Congress directed the agency to put an end to these shenanigans and re-examine what constitutes "good faith" negotiations after the industry failed to self regulate. As the FCC ponders action, CBS apparently thought it would be a good idea to start throwing threats around. In a recent filing with the FCC (pdf), CBS basically states that should the FCC ban this behavior (which CBS has also engaged in), the broadcaster will take its ball and go home:
"Local broadcast stations have a duty to transmit programming for free, over-the-air. They have no obligation to make any of that programming or any other content available online. The fact that many stations choose to do so for free as a routine business practice is in stark contrast to other content providers, including online newspapers and other media providers such as Netflix and Amazon that place their content behind paywalls."
CBS of course made a similar threat during the Aereo trial, stating they'd be pulling all broadcast television off the air if the company didn't get what it wanted (in that case, Aereo dead, in this case, a spineless FCC). From there though the threat gets clearer. Stop us from obnoxiously punishing paying customers for our own inability to get deals done in a civil fashion, CBS warns, or the future of television will die!:
"Prohibiting a broadcaster from limiting access to customers of an MVPD [multichannel video programming distributor] with which it is having a dispute in order to protect its negotiating position would be a strong disincentive for stations to make their content available online as a general practice."
In other words, nobody will put content online if the FCC prohibits companies from engaging in asinine behavior that hurts paying customers. But CBS apparently didn't get the memo that they no longer have the power they used to. In the new internet video era there's a little something called competition. No longer can CBS sit on its legacy throne, engaging in anti-competitive behavior, flinging threats and pouting without repercussion. With streaming services like Netflix, HBO, and Amazon all vying for consumer attention via original programming, a broadcaster pulling its content offline is a one-way ticket to irrelevance.

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    That One Guy (profile), 11 Dec 2015 @ 4:30am

    "Oh by all means, don't let me stop you from blowing your own foot off."

    They should absolutely follow through, pull their content from online offerings. In fact they should remove their content entirely, both online and over the air, to really drive the point home of how there's no competition in their field at all, which means people either accept their terms, or go without entertainment at all.

    That'll certainly show their (former) customers.

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      Anonymous Coward, 11 Dec 2015 @ 6:39am

      Re: "Oh by all means, don't let me stop you from blowing your own foot off."

      Agreed. There is probably far better uses for their spectrum than beaming Bazinga! into rural Midwestern households every week.

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      Violynne (profile), 11 Dec 2015 @ 6:48am

      Re: "Oh by all means, don't let me stop you from blowing your own foot off."

      +1 Insightful, because you took the words right out of my keyboard.

      Screw CBS. Screw Disney. Screw all of these asshats.

      The world would be a better place without their antiquated, racist, misogynistic programming where the highlight of such piss poor programming has a show where two people are battling a hacker by using a single keyboard together.

      I'm so looking forward to the day where the Emmys and Oscars are battled out between Amazon and Netflix original broadcasts.

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        Anonymous Coward, 11 Dec 2015 @ 7:38am

        Re: Re: "Oh by all means, don't let me stop you from blowing your own foot off."

        I'm so looking forward to the day where the Emmys and Oscars are battled out between Amazon and Netflix original broadcasts.

        They could lose out to some ad-hoc group of people publishing on their own site, or via Youtube, such as Star TrekNew Voyages. It is no longer necessary to have the involvement of a large company to produce a T.V series.
        .

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        Anonymous Coward, 11 Dec 2015 @ 7:46am

        Re: Re: "Oh by all means, don't let me stop you from blowing your own foot off."

        ...I'm so looking forward to the day where the Emmys and Oscars are battled out between Amazon and Netflix original broadcasts...


        I'm surprised you didn't include Grammys in your comment :) We've been slapping that industry around awhile!

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        Anonymous Coward, 11 Dec 2015 @ 7:52am

        Re: Re: "Oh by all means, don't let me stop you from blowing your own foot off."

        "I'm so looking forward to the day where the Emmys and Oscars are battled out between Amazon and Netflix original broadcasts"

        I'm so looking forward to the day where the Emmys and Oscars are finally acknowledged by the public for what they really are: a self-serving promotion founded, financed, and run by the same big Hollywood studios that essentially put themselves on both the giving and the receiving end of these so-called "awards".

        When Amazon and Netflix start receiving anything more than a possible token showing at these awards, it just means that they have finally become part of this circlejerk.

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        Anonymous Coward, 11 Dec 2015 @ 9:06am

        Re: Re: "Oh by all means, don't let me stop you from blowing your own foot off."

        Well that's beginning. Today isn't the Emmys and Oscars but it is the Golden Globes.

        https://ca.news.yahoo.com/digital-tv-storms-golden-globes-ousting-old-favorites-053548401--fi nance.html

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        JoeCool (profile), 11 Dec 2015 @ 10:27am

        Re: Re: "Oh by all means, don't let me stop you from blowing your own foot off."

        where the highlight of such piss poor programming has a show where two people are battling a hacker by using a single keyboard together.


        Oh MAN but you got that right! That's like my favorite example of how bad TV is at getting computers right. My dad was watching that show when I came over one day, so I watched a few minutes until that scene. I actually did a spit take and burst out laughing at how stupid they were... and remember, the lady in the scene is SUPPOSED to be some kind of Uber-genius.

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    TheResidentSkeptic (profile), 11 Dec 2015 @ 6:09am

    At least they won't have to worry

    about cord cutters anymore.

    The executives can be happy in their 1950's world of 3 channels..

    Although the inevitable outcome does scare the hell out of me... thousands of CBS workers all losing their jobs, watching their pension funds being decimated by all the golden parachutes filling the skies over their heads..

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      Anonymous Coward, 11 Dec 2015 @ 10:44am

      Re: At least they won't have to worry

      > The executives can be happy in their 1950's world of 3 channels..


      Duet, Sir!

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    Geno0wl (profile), 11 Dec 2015 @ 6:28am

    Please do this

    This is literally just threats and bluster. CBS is acting as if they don't make money from online content. Which nobody with any business acumen would take seriously.
    If they were loosing money from online content, they would have pulled their content a long time ago. If they were loosing money and still were chugging along months and months later with the same business model and no changes...then CBS online should pull their content regardless of what the FCC is doing.
    But they won't, because $$$$$$$$$

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      Anonymous Coward, 11 Dec 2015 @ 7:03am

      Re: Please do this

      Exactly this! They're not martyrs for providing content online. Like it or not, in a few years that's pretty much all they'll be serving, save for a few "traditional broadcast" holdout instances where online access isn't so good for reliable video streaming. At that time they'll be crying the exact opposite, that broadcast content is really expensive and that they should be allowed to drop those folks.
      These threats are childish and that multiple broadcasters have already followed through with blocks with relative impunity just helps drive home the point that a regulator needs to step in. Quite like two bickering kids at a kindergarten.

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        JoeCool (profile), 11 Dec 2015 @ 10:33am

        Re: Re: Please do this

        Very true. The only reason I haven't switched to 100% online TV is the crappy DSL and no competition for online broadband where I live. CBS is arguably the WORST at making their shows easy to watch online. Any time I miss an episode of Survivor for some reason, it's a pain to try to watch online due to the combination of crappy DSL + crappy CBS online streaming.

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        Andy, 11 Dec 2015 @ 10:50am

        Re: Re: Please do this

        I actually live in the UK and we have a thing called freeview which is a digital broadcast system , this has been upgraded and upgraded again to include HD content then to includ online players like netflix and bbc iplayer, where i can watch live tv and pause and rewind and even using the same guide watch the last weeks episode if i missed it.

        The UK broadcasters fund it with help from the government but realistically they are in the process of using the internet to provide a better tv viewing experience, i don't use it much but most people do use it all the time and it is completely free to use although you have to buy a freeview box which costs under $200, but which right now supplies almost 100 channels, some rubbish but some that show old movies or documentaries etc.

        If the US government had, like in the UK, forced the broadcasters to fund the system then the US would not have a problem with cable as you could easily buy the right to access a pay channel on its own on the same box.
        Some people would buy cable but it would be those that did not know better and not for the average person. Damn i can even get all the important sports channels for a very small monthly fee if i was a sports nut.

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          Anonymous Coward, 12 Dec 2015 @ 1:45am

          Re: Re: Re: Please do this

          You forgot to mention the mandatory annual TV license which funds the BBC, and is required if you watch or record any TV programs as they are broadcast, including over the Internet. Therefore your freeview box costs you £145 a year, even if you never use it to watch the BBC.

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            Anonymous Coward, 14 Dec 2015 @ 5:32am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Please do this

            In the UK to do virtually anything in terms of TV viewing (bar a few arcane exceptions) you need a TV licence. So the TCV licence is pretty much a fixed cost regardless of whether you have a freeview box or cable (cable, e.g. Sky in UK (Murdoch owned) still needs TV licence to watch)

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    Anonymous Coward, 11 Dec 2015 @ 6:35am

    Personally, I just don't care what CBS does. I don't do TV any more. So if they go off line, off air, or cater entirely is totally meaningless to someone who doesn't use their services.

    In essence I have banned them from my viewing habits without nary a threat to do so. Can't tell you how peaceful my place has been ever since the commercials quit screaming and hollering.

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      Andy, 11 Dec 2015 @ 10:39am

      Re:

      I actually forgot about advertising and when my wife asked me to watch some part of a show she thought was funny and advertisements came on i was actually amazed as i believed they had removed them all due to people leaving them due to advertisements taking up to 15 minutes and more for every hour you view and disturbing you at the most important parts of a show, unbelievable that they still have adverts and have not grown up and tried to challenge the internet, it is no wonder people are cutting the cord at a faster rate every month and no wonder that places like netflix and youtube and many others are doing such a lot of business.

      I honestly thought they had stopped advertising colour me embarrassed for that , i wonder how they can justify this to there customers and why they do not care about how many are stopping watching liveish tv

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), 11 Dec 2015 @ 6:44am

    Oh please oh please oh please...
    Stomp your foot a little harder, and hold your breath a little longer... you see because when you manage to nearly kill yourself with this tantrum you might scare the other dinosaurs into waking up to reality.

    Shocking I know, but there is other content out there that can replace you... and holding consumers hostage will motivate them to click 3 more buttons than before and discover a wide world of content you don't own, don't control, and puts most of your rehashed crap to shame. Once they discover that, unless you are going to put a chicken in every pot and a new care in every garage, they won't come back.

    Please plunge your viewership numbers into the toilet, be forced to slash your ad rates, then stand before those shareholder who you owe value to and explain why you decided it was a good idea to stick your dick in a hornets nest and pump away wildly.

    Just because you could hold the public hostage before, doesn't mean you can do it now. Prove me wrong, do it again... I triple dog dare you.

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    Ed (profile), 11 Dec 2015 @ 6:48am

    'Bye Felicia

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    any moose cow word, 11 Dec 2015 @ 7:32am

    A little dramatic...

    People who follow up a list of demands by placing a cocked pistol in their mouth are psychopaths. You should either institutionalize them or just call their bluff. Either way, we'd be better of without their drama.

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    Ryunosuke, 11 Dec 2015 @ 7:32am

    And they wonder....

    They wonder why they are losing MILLIONS of subscribers. Even though Cord-cutting is a myth and/or fad. They wonder why this newfangled internet thingy is so popular.

    The Legacy cable broadcast companies are like... they are like grandparents with Alzheimer's and I think it's time we put them in the old folks home.

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      Anonymous Coward, 11 Dec 2015 @ 12:53pm

      Re: And they wonder....

      The expression "One foot in the grave" comes to mind here.

      I wonder who will turn up for their funeral.

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    Spike (profile), 11 Dec 2015 @ 7:58am

    It's BS like this as to why government's should just take a back seat and force them to sort out their own self-inflicted "piracy" problems themselves. The problem is there's way too much political bribery going on.

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      Anonymous Coward, 11 Dec 2015 @ 8:16am

      Re:

      1000x this. Pirates are consumers who spend more per person than non pirates. They are the people who buy the collectors editions go to the concerts of their favorite bands. They are the ones who have been screaming for better options and getting stuck with half-assed broken solutions that no one expects to even be able to use in another decade based on prior experience. We don't want to pay a premium to see more commercials. We don't want to try to watch a TV show from 30 years ago and be told that the video we want to watch is not available in our country. Your content is not as sacred as you want to believe and the longer you dangle the lure out of reach of consumers, the fewer consumers are willing to wait for you to get your act together. You didn't invent entertainment and people will continue to create it long after your companies have ceased to exist.

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    Anonymous Coward, 11 Dec 2015 @ 8:15am

    Who's CBS? The name sounds familiar. Do they have a YouTube or Netflix channel?

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    Anonymous Coward, 11 Dec 2015 @ 8:20am

    I feel like this is a problem that would resolve itself if cable unbundled channels and let people pick their channels a-la-carte. Then, whenever a network tried to hick their rates, people can see who is really at fault and respond accordingly.

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    Anonymous Coward, 11 Dec 2015 @ 8:42am

    I think in this case I can speak for the younger generation. "Well...Bye."

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    dave blevins (profile), 11 Dec 2015 @ 8:47am

    CBS bluster

    Does CBS still exist? When did they last have content anyone watched?

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    MonkeyFracasJr (profile), 11 Dec 2015 @ 10:09am

    LOL

    LOL, Go for it!

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    Anonymous Coward, 11 Dec 2015 @ 10:10am

    The 1%, they will reap what they sow, like they did in '29. Sure times will get tough, but I don't own a skyscraper with a window to jump from. My hands know dirt, I have survived without food, and will do well without TV, phone, and internet. I don't plan on being lost when the time comes. 2016.

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    Anonymous Coward, 11 Dec 2015 @ 10:11am

    Cbs has the shittiest online offerings of any of the big companies already. Their "current" content is only available on their site. And only recently have they started liscencing SOME of their shows' older seasons to places like netflix. I have pirated their shows for years because their accessability has been so horrible.

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      Anonymous Coward, 14 Dec 2015 @ 9:16am

      Re:

      Start Hulu, no new CBS content, go to Kodi, Genesis, TV shows, CBS... problem taken care of. That's probably what CBS doesn't realize people will do.

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    Andy, 11 Dec 2015 @ 10:28am

    Please

    Sometimes i wish we could force companies to actually do what they threaten, taking there content offline would just mean that there value would be enough that netflix could buy them outright and not have problems with stupid silly threats and massive fees for worthless content with one or two fluke good shows thrown in.

    Let them go please whoever can cause them to, there threat is not a threat it is is a reward to all those that have ever fought against copyright maximalists.

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    mtroute, 11 Dec 2015 @ 10:42am

    Simple solution

    Just pull all of their affiliates broadcast licenses...Problem solved.

    they use the airwaves at our pleasure...

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    DigDug, 11 Dec 2015 @ 12:22pm

    Go ahead CBS, make yourself scarce...

    Nobody's going to miss you.

    You killed off the best show you ever aired, "Stalker".

    What you have now is drivel.

    Goodbye CBS.

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    got_runs? (profile), 11 Dec 2015 @ 4:37pm

    Good riddance to bad programming.

    Don't let the door hit you on the way out SeeBS.

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    John85851 (profile), 11 Dec 2015 @ 5:45pm

    But why are our shows on pirate sites?

    Today CBS threatens to take all its content offline and tomorrow it'll be complaining why so many of their shows are now on the pirate and file-sharing sites.
    Oh, wait, people actually wanted to watch the shows that they took offline and this is the only way to do it? And now CBS and its advertisers aren't getting anything out of it?

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    Novus Livy, 11 Dec 2015 @ 9:31pm

    Television is already dead to me

    I watch no television anymore. I seldom stream anything either. I've found life to be so much better doing other things than staring mindlessly at the screen. So as far as I'm concerned CBS (and all the rest) can do whatever they want.

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    JBDragon (profile), 14 Dec 2015 @ 8:03am

    I think Re-Transmition Fee's are a big scam that shouldn't be allowed. These Broadcast channels are FREE with a Antenna. They make money from the Ad's on their own channels. The Cable company's are doing them a favor and getting their channel out to more people to watch those commercials and make more money per ad.

    I had enough of it all and Cut the Cord after paying Comcast for a number of years for TV service. All I pay for now is Internet and Netflix. I get all my Broadcast TV with a Antenna and use a TIVO to record it all. Then I SKIP all their commercials and it doesn't cost me a penny and 100% legal.

    Once in a while I see the dumb banner scrolling complaining how there's a blackout on DirectTV or Comcast for such and such channel and I just laugh. All this does is get more people to cut the cord and/or pirate. Keep it up and you'll have no one left to pay.

    Quite frankly I think Cable Company's should just completely stop having Broadcast Channels on their service. Maybe have some type of service. They'll install a Antenna for you, you just have to be signed up for 1 year or something to cover the cost. Have a Antenna input in the Cable Box that will record all the broadcast channels, along with the cable channels. Now no one is paying Re-Transmition fee's!!! See how they like that. It would be 100% legal. Each house has their own antenna and DVR.

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