Texas Police Arrest Kid For Building A Clock

from the this-is-infuriating dept

We talk a lot about police overreacting to things, but this takes things to a new and ridiculous level. The Dallas Morning News released a story last night about police in Irving, Texas, arresting 14-year old Ahmed Mohamed, a freshman in high school, for building a digital clock and bringing it in to school to show his teachers. Ahmed likes to tinker and build electronics. This is the kind of thing you'd think the school and the community would want to encourage. But, instead, he was arrested and sent to a juvenile detention center, suspended from school and the police say they may charge him for making a "hoax bomb." Except it's a clock. He never said it was a bomb. He never implied it was a bomb. Just some teachers and the police freaked out about it.
He kept the clock inside his school bag in English class, but the teacher complained when the alarm beeped in the middle of a lesson. Ahmed brought his invention up to show her afterward.

“She was like, it looks like a bomb,” he said.

“I told her, ‘It doesn’t look like a bomb to me.’”

The teacher kept the clock. When the principal and a police officer pulled Ahmed out of sixth period, he suspected he wouldn’t get it back.

They led Ahmed into a room where four other police officers waited. He said an officer he’d never seen before leaned back in his chair and remarked: “Yup. That’s who I thought it was.”

Ahmed felt suddenly conscious of his brown skin and his name — one of the most common in the Muslim religion. But the police kept him busy with questions.

The bell rang at least twice, he said, while the officers searched his belongings and questioned his intentions. The principal threatened to expel him if he didn’t make a written statement, he said.

“They were like, ‘So you tried to make a bomb?’” Ahmed said.

“I told them no, I was trying to make a clock.”

“He said, ‘It looks like a movie bomb to me.’”
The incredible thing is that the police flat out admit that he never claimed it was a bomb, but they're still considering charging him with making a hoax bomb.
Ahmed never claimed his device was anything but a clock, said police spokesman James McLellan. And police have no reason to think it was dangerous. But officers still didn’t believe Ahmed was giving them the whole story.

“We have no information that he claimed it was a bomb,” McLellan said. “He kept maintaining it was a clock, but there was no broader explanation.”
Perhaps there was no broader explanation because none is needed.

Even more ridiculous: they handcuffed this kid (wearing a NASA t-shirt, by the way) and walked him through the school as they took him away. This picture is shameful.
You can also see him discuss the invention in this YouTube video:
The most depressing part of the news article is how it ends:
He’s vowed never to take an invention to school again.
Curiosity killers.

The school has now doubled down on this move, by sending a letter to parents at the school congratulating themselves for this whole thing:
While we do not have any threats to our school community, we want you to be aware that the Irving Police Department responded to a suspicious-looking item on campus yesterday. We are pleased to report that after the police department's assessment, the item discovered at school did not pose a threat to your child's safety.

Our school is cooperating fully with the ongoing police investigation, and we are handling the situation in accordance with the Irving ISD Student Code of Conduct and applicable laws. Please rest assured that we will always take necessary steps to keep our school as safe as possible.
Even worse... the school is using this as a "teaching moment" telling parents to tell their kids to report any "suspicious" things. Like brown kids being curious and inventing cool shit:
I recommend using this opportunity to talk with your child about the Student Code of Conduct and specifically not bringing items to school that are prohibited. Also, this is a good time to remind your child how important it is to immediately report any suspicious items and/or suspicious behavior they observe to any school employee so we can address it right away. We will always take necessary precautions to protect our students.
And by "address" it, apparently, they mean arrest bright kids for being curious and gifted.

The whole "bomb hoax" thing based on authorities getting confused about a non-bomb reminds me of that time, back in 2007, when Cartoon Network tried to promote Adult Swim with light up boxes of various characters placed around Boston -- and because some people freaked out and the city was shut down, Boston's mayor declared the marketing stunt a "bomb hoax." Once again, if someone is building something that you mistake for a bomb, and they had no intention of passing it off as a bomb, nor does it actually look like a bomb, it's not a bomb hoax. At all. And you look ridiculous calling it out as such.

And, of course, you look that much more ridiculous when you not only overreact like this, but do it against a clearly intelligent and talented teenager who likes to tinker with electronics.

Update: A picture of the clock has now been released. Nothing about it changes the story at all.

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    That One Guy (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 7:08am

    Repeat after me students: 'The Authorities Are Never Wrong'

    His 'crime' wasn't building a bomb, which he clearly didn't do, it was making those in charge look like cowardly chumps and refusing to follow along with the narrative that had been pre-determined before they ever saw or talked to him.

    I think it's pretty obvious that they had determined before they ever talked to him that he was guilty, and they just wanted to trick and/or coerce him into 'admitting' it so they could use it to justify their actions. He seemed to have refused, and stuck to reality, which naturally just made them even more angry, hence the threat of ludicrous charges and the handcuffs through his school, punishment for not going along with the scenario they had already decided on.

    They had decided on his guilt, how dare he contradict them and claim to be his innocent? /s

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      David, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:55am

      Re: Repeat after me students: 'The Authorities Are Never Wrong'

      It's called the Reid Technique. Where you are given two options: Guilty or Guilty. They try to get you to forget there's the third option of Not Guilty.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 3:25pm

      Re: Repeat after me students: 'The Authorities Are Never Wrong'

      Happened to me, except I was in elementary school and much easier to browbeat into admitting guilt. Good on you, Ahmed.

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    Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 7:42am

    Incompetence plus bigotry. Great combination there, Texas.

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      Mason Wheeler (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:28am

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      Bigotry. Yeah. Let's totally play the race card here, making sure to slip in a bit about how uneasy the kid felt because of his dark skin.

      Having a picture of him with the much darker-skinned cop who was involved in all this totally undermines that whole narrative, but we'll just pretend that didn't happen. Nope, this is all about racism, folks!

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        Mark Murphy (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:38am

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        > Having a picture of him with the much darker-skinned cop who was involved in all this totally undermines that whole narrative

        No, it doesn't.

        First, there are more than two races in this world.

        Second, bigotry is not limited to racism.

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          Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:46am

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          you jest!! there are only 2 races... the racist whites and everybody else!!!

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          Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:51am

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          They led Ahmed into a room where four other police officers waited. He said an officer he’d never seen before leaned back in his chair and remarked: “Yup. That’s who I thought it was.”

          Emphasis mine.

          Let's put it this way, if I were a police officer who didn't know any of the following people, exactly which of these names give me the permission to assume they're bomb builders?

          - Theodore Kaczynski
          - Timothy McVeigh
          - Ahmed Mohamed

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            Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:40am

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            Unless of course the police are secretly and illegaly keeping all muslims in their jurisdictions under surveillance.

            That would explain it just as much as him assuming the student based solely on his name.

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          crade (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:09am

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          And third, even it the cop were the exact same race, religion or whatever else, it still wouldn't undermine the argument.. Lets hire a multi-ethnic group of cops to stand in pictures by everyone we arrest! We've finally abolished racism! :)

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        Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:42am

        Re: Re:

        If the shoe (bomb) fits....

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        bureau13 (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:42am

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        It undermines nothing, but thanks for pretending you don't already know this.

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        Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:50am

        Re: Re:

        Mason Wheeler

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          Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:51am

          Re: Re: Re:

          message got truncated.

          I was trying to say I didn't realize that Mason Wheeler is a racist. go figure. Where your from boy?

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            Mason Wheeler (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:06am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            It used to be that denial of witchcraft could be interpreted as proof of guilt, which left a rather uncomfortable question that nobody wanted to address: how are true innocents supposed to defend themselves then?

            Nowadays no one believes in witchcraft anymore, but have no fear, the ancient logic lives on in allegations of racism. Hooray for progress!

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              Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:10am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              how are true innocents supposed to defend themselves then?

              Here's a way; Don't be a bigot in a public forum.

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              steell (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:03am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              Explain the following quotation without involving racism.

              "He said an officer he’d never seen before leaned back in his chair and remarked: “Yup. That’s who I thought it was.”"

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                Mason Wheeler (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:30am

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                With no context whatsoever, there's really no way to explain that. The only obvious thing that comes to mind is that simply because he had never met this officer before doesn't mean the officer didn't know who he was, for any number of reasons legitimate or otherwise. But without more information it's impossible to draw any valid conclusions.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:37am

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                  There is no other context or info. It was said because he is brownish. We all know how you are into shades of skin tone, so you should be able to understand.

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                    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:56am

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                    Substantiate your claim, please (aka citation needed.)

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                    Mason Wheeler (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:57am

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                    Where did it say that? Did I miss something? All I saw was the part where it said that he immediately assumed that was the case.

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                      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:46am

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                      shut up bigot, we don't want your kind around here.

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                Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:57am

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                "I knew it was the kid with glasses."

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              Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:03am

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              Well, there's that, and then there's common fucking sense.

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        Dark Helmet (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:26am

        Re: Re:

        "Having a picture of him with the much darker-skinned cop who was involved in all this totally undermines that whole narrative, but we'll just pretend that didn't happen. Nope, this is all about racism, folks!"

        So....your contention is that an African American can't be racist against an Arab-American or a Persian-American? In other words, there's white people and then everything else is lumped together? I love when someone's claim that there's no racism in a story in itself shows their subtle racist bias....

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          Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:33am

          Re: Re: Re:

          And even if someone means racism as racial discrimination through institutional power, who has more institutional power nowadays than a police officer, especially when compared to some school kid?

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          PaulT (profile), 17 Sep 2015 @ 1:33am

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          Yep, there's also plenty of bigotry between Japanese and Koreans, but a white bigot would call them both "Asians" (or worse, of course). Plus, the caste system in India and various other examples of bigotry against people of the "same" race.

          To think that people of the same "race" cannot be bigoted against each other is pretty dumb.

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            Mason Wheeler (profile), 17 Sep 2015 @ 7:11am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            Waitasec... how is that a bigoted term?

            I used to date a Chinese girl, and she used the term "Asian" freely to describe herself, her family, and her Chinese (and other Asian) friends. If that's a bigoted term, apparently no one told them...

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              PaulT (profile), 17 Sep 2015 @ 7:22am

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              I may have worded that badly. I didn't mean that the term "Asian" was bigoted, I meant that the bigot wouldn't know or care about the difference between Japanese and Koreans, yet those group can still be bigoted against each other.

              The point is, even if they're viewed as the same race, people can easily be bigoted against each other. They can't necessarily be racist toward each other, but that's far from the only type of bigotry.

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        Leigh Beadon (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:54am

        Re: Re:

        I suppose none of us can say with 100% certainty that race was a factor here. But I doubt I could muster even 1% certainty that it wasn't.

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          Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 1:30pm

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          Well, I for one think that it's entirely possible that race is not the issue, and the bigotry involved if religion based, not race based. (To be perfectly honest, I think the most likely explanation is a mixture of racial and religious bigotry, but religious alone is quite sufficient to explain everything that happened...). Would this have happened to a black baptist, or more germane, a Hindu Indian kid?

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            Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 1:53pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            The Irving PD now has stated in a press release that religion (not necessarily race) had something to do with it. Otherwise, there is no explanation for this statement in their press release:
            The Irving Police Department has always experienced an outstanding relationship with the Muslim community. We recognize situations like this present challenges, but we are committed to continuing to build a positive relationship.

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            Wendy Cockcroft, 17 Sep 2015 @ 6:08am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            Didn't some mad bigot shoot up a Sikh temple a while back? When "they all look the same" is a thing, yes it would, Leigh.

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        alan turing, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:57am

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        C'mon Mason, You're smarter than that.

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        Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:01am

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        So, the darker the skin the less chance of being a bigot. Got it. Thanks Mason, you're a real thinker.

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        Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:03am

        Re: Re:

        Bigot
        a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person;
        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot


        Lack of the word "race" in this definition is quite noticeable

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        Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:10am

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        It is all about racism. Thanks for playing.

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        None, 16 Sep 2015 @ 12:11pm

        Re: Re:

        No, actually it doesn't undermine anything. It's not racist because they had a black cop arrest someone? Perhaps you should study logic before you open your mouth in the future.

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        Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 1:17pm

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        Haven't you heard? Brown is the new black. Do you honestly think a blond Caucasian girl would have been arrested in this scenario?

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          Mason Wheeler (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 2:12pm

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          Of course she would! Everyone knows women are inherently unsuitable for engineering; it's a scientifically proven fact! And a blonde at that? What could possibly be more suspicious?

          (Note for the sarcasm-impaired: I'm blonde, and I do a lot of hobby work in a field of computing that was single-handedly invented by a woman. That doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of people out there dumb enough to believe every word of that up there.)

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        Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 5:12pm

        Re: Re:

        Racism isn't about the color of the skin. It's about race. That's why the full sentence was "Ahmed felt suddenly conscious of his brown skin and his name — one of the most common in the Muslim religion".

        That one or more of the officers involved in this happened to be of a descent that provides them with a darker skin tone than their victim is irrelevant. Nothing about that keeps them from being racist against people of arabic descent.

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      That Anonymous Coward (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:29am

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      This is in the town where the Mayor raised her national profile by declaring war on Sharia law. Racism and bigotry are great platform planks when you want people to vote for you to keep you "safe" from imaginary terrors.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:26am

    Thank heavens these nutters weren't around when I was going to school. Crap we were always bringing things to school to show others what we had made.

    Heck I had one science teacher for two years who had a set requirement for her class of one project every 6 weeks. Bonus points for a show and tell model you made. Every class made an Estes rocket and every class went out side to actually fire it and watch it go up.

    I wonder what happened to all those bright and curious students making things on their own time?

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:59am

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      Take your pinko-liberal-conservative-free-thinking-nonsense to a makerspace; school is no place for independent thought or creativity. You WILL make a picture of this vase and it had better look like the teacher's picture or you get an F.

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    Adam V, 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:26am

    "I recommend using this opportunity to talk with your child about the Student Code of Conduct and specifically not bringing items to school that are prohibited."

    As a parent, can I see the list of "items... that are prohibited"? I'd be pretty shocked if "clock" is actually on there.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:39am

      Re:

      the list is as follows

      "anything we decided is not allowed on the spur of the moment, or if we have had a bad day and want to take it out on a student"

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 12:41pm

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      I recommend using this opportunity to talk with your child about the Student Code of Conduct...
      Make: it an Instructable moment?

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:29am

    We are pleased to report that after the police department's assessment, the item discovered at school did not pose a threat to your child's safety.

    The schools reaction to it did however endanger the child.

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      ltlw0lf (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 12:03pm

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      The schools reaction to it did however endanger the child.

      The school's reaction to it did more to endanger the child's safety...it endangered the safety of us all. We need kids who think outside of the box, who explore new ideas and new concepts, that enjoy STEM and want to make the world a better place. Now the other children in the class have learned not to question authority, not do anything "out-of-the-ordinary," not show off their intelligence and ingenuity; take your Soma, do your job, keep your head down, and don't worry about your class and social status...

      Brave New World indeed.

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    Gumnos (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:30am

    The moral of this story...

    If you're going to bring a bomb to school in TX, make sure that it looks like some professionally made football equipment, not like a tinkerer's project. Because this is TX where football goes unquestioned (unlike all that sciency-math-inventor stuff).

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    Oblate (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:31am

    “They were like, ‘So you tried to make a bomb?’” Ahmed said.

    “I told them no, I was trying to make a clock.”

    “He said, ‘It looks like a movie bomb to me.’”


    High school aged me: "That's because you're a ******* idiot." (That would only be said if I could stop from laughing in his face.)


    There are web sites devoted to allowing former students to discuss the incompetence of the administration in my high school, yet even they would never have done something this stupid. The closest Ahmed came to making a mistake was showing it to his English teacher and not his Science teacher (if they have a Science teacher, I guess this is in Texas...).

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      wmkln (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:35am

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      In the original article it said that he showed it to his engineering teacher who commented, "That's really nice. I would advise you not to show any other teachers." Obviously, the engineering teacher knew what a bunch of uninformed, idiots the rest of the staff is.

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        Oblate (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:28am

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        Somewhat surprised they haven't arrested the engineering teacher as a co-conspirator.

        The charge: Conspiring to create a situation where school officials could (and therefore do) make themselves look like incompetent idiots.

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      David, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:58am

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      "Maybe you watch too many movies, and not enough science programs".

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      PaulT (profile), 17 Sep 2015 @ 1:37am

      Re:

      "“He said, ‘It looks like a movie bomb to me.’” "

      His response should have been - "Great, movie bombs never cause any real damage. Can I go now, or is there something in the real world to discuss?"

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:31am

    Texan here

    This sounds about right for the police in the dallas area... they are a tad bit militant.

    I do live & work in the area!

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:39am

    "The incredible thing is that the police flat out admit that he never claimed it was a bomb, but they're still considering charging him with making a hoax bomb."

    I'm not a lawyer or anything, but isn't (shouldn't?) part charging someone with making a hoax bomb be, you know, actually hoaxing people into thinking it's a bomb in the first place?

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:45am

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      This is all in keeping with the "if someone feels threatened or offended, then you are guilty of terrorism, bigot, or racism even if you intended no such thing" movement that seems to be developing in the USA as of late... the PC movement in other words.

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        Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:09am

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        Perhaps you have confused PC and Fascism

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          Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 12:18pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          they are essentially the same...

          both like to be authoritarian (tell you what you can say or do), and the nationalism (blind followers) can easily be traded out for the definition of zealotry (blind followers) without even altering the meaning in any significant way.

          If Nation A was a Fascist State, and Nation B was a PC state, both having laws to keep in that way, you will find that over handed responses to stupid stuff JUST LIKE THIS ONE would happen. There is truly NO fundamental DIFFERENCE to anyone that seeks wisdom between the two!

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 12:19pm

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      But if he didn't trick people into thinking it was a bomb, how can you explain so many fine, upstanding, reasonable pillars of the community thinking it was a bomb?

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      John85851 (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 12:24pm

      Re:

      I agree.
      If he said it was a clock and everyone except the police thought it was a clock, then where's a "hoax"? He wasn't trying to fool anyone and no one was fooled.

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    bureau13 (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:44am

    Someone help Ahmed set up a Kickstarter

    I want to buy one of his clocks, on principle.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:01am

      Re: Someone help Ahmed set up a Kickstarter

      He'd have to spend time putting together his clocks.

      But if he has photocopies if his plans, including some pictures of the finished product, that might be something he can sell...

      I'd like to know if they're still using the 555 timer nowadays.

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        Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:04am

        Re: Re: Someone help Ahmed set up a Kickstarter

        Yes, 555 is still going strong.

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          JoeCool (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:32am

          Re: Re: Re: Someone help Ahmed set up a Kickstarter

          From the pic, it looks more like an Audrino board hooked to an LCD strip panel. Awesome stuff I wish was available when I went to HS. Of couse, I wouldn't trade the HSs I went to for the prisons today's HSs are. Between all the "zero intelligence" policies and the War on Terror, I don't wish today's schools on anyone.

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            Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:41am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Someone help Ahmed set up a Kickstarter

            I not seeing the pic. I don't mean to suggest it was based on 555, just answering the above poster as to whether the 555 is still relevent.

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              JoeCool (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:09pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Someone help Ahmed set up a Kickstarter

              Yeah, and you're right, those old 555 projects are still a tried and true thing for electronics enthusiasts, along with all those old 324 op-amp projects. I made all those years back, but you can still get the parts and do them today as well. Lots of fun projects from yesteryear are still fun today.

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            Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:06am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Someone help Ahmed set up a Kickstarter

            "War on terror"

            Funny expression.

            Believe me, nothing is more terrifying than a war...

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        Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 12:23pm

        Re: Re: Someone help Ahmed set up a Kickstarter

        "But if he has photocopies if his plans, including some pictures of the finished product, that might be something he can sell..."

        3 days after he does that the headline would be: Ahmed Mohamed arrested for selling bomb-making instructions

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    Clayt666, 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:45am

    Press Opportunity

    This is a great opportunity for a nearby private tech oriented prep school to offer him reduced price (or even free?) tuition for the year, showing how they actually encourage tinkering and exploration.

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      Zonker, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:55am

      Re: Press Opportunity

      I rather think that the school should be ordered to pay full tuition for any of their current students (starting with Ahmed) who wish to transfer to such a tech prep school now as a punishment for their flagrant anti-education policies.

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    Violynne (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:48am

    When I saw the headline yesterday, it simply said "Middle school student arrested for bringing clock to school".

    Before I opened the article, one thought crossed my mind: "They're not white."

    Way to go, Texas. So proud the state, school district, and the brain dead public must be to think this behavior against a child is justified.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:57am

      Re:

      Be fair, this ain't JUST Texas, this stupid shit spans the nation and the education system where a lot of the crazies come to teach the kids.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:18am

      Re:

      The ignorance may be "louder" in TX but there's plenty of bigotry here in the North too - read up on the moral panic over the "Ground Zero Mosque" and the NYPD's dragnet spying program on the area's Muslim communities.

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        PaulT (profile), 17 Sep 2015 @ 1:57am

        Re: Re:

        "the moral panic over the "Ground Zero Mosque" "

        As a recall, a lot of that took place well away from NYC, probably driven by the fact that a community centre with a prayer room was called a "mosque" by the media and a building several blocks away from Ground Zero was referred to as if they were building on the actual rubble.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:49am

    Makes me wonder how much more likely he is to build an actual bomb now that they've likely ruined his life. Self fulfilling prophecy, anyone?

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:55am

      Re:

      "Makes me wonder how much more likely he is to build an actual bomb now that they've likely ruined his life. Self fulfilling prophecy, anyone?"

      Actually, I'm more worried that he stops building _anything_ now. Sounds like he had a promising future.

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        steell (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:14am

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        Follow the link in the article. Many tech companies are expressing interest and many other school are inviting him to transfer.

        Well deserved 15 minutes of fame.

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    Anonymous Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:50am

    Raspberry Pi's and Arduino's now illegal...

    ...because anything somebody makes with either of these (designed and marketed as things one can experiment and learn with) might make something that the clueless local police (NOT part of the top of their class by definition) and school administrations will not understand and then will classify as a terrorism inciting device.

    My father and I built a depth sounder and a radio direction finder in our basement from a kit (Heathkit) a long time ago. Either of those would probably set off terroristic tinglings in likely both the police and school administrators in today's environment. They were for our sailboat and were used for navigational purposes, strictly recreational, and actually kept us safe more than once.

    People complain about student test scores in math and science while at the same time doing everything in their power to discourage activities that might enhance curiosity in those fields. Look they are programing a computer, they must be up to something nasty. Don't get me started on chemistry.

    I worry for future generations, for these and a lot of other reasons.

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    Chris ODonnell (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:54am

    Is "Texas school is a bunch of racists asshats" really news? It'll be news the next time an authority in Texas dos something rational and intelligent.

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    MrWonderful, 16 Sep 2015 @ 8:56am

    Now everyone can email him :) dacummings@irvingisd.net

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:06am

    You've all been silent on over a MILLION Afghans and Iraqis murdered in illegal wars based on phony claims of WMD and "terrorist" threats, but now you're taking up for one Muslim boy?

    Then it's just a token so you can claim to run pro-Muslim pieces. Only other purpose served is to fill space with a safe topic. Who can be against this boy? No one! But where have you been against the insanity of the past 14 years in which your gov't lied about WMD and Muslim "terrorists" to illegally invade and murder over a million people?


    Yes, that's harsh. But it's true and connected. Techdirt (and apparently most of its fanboys) claims anyone questioning 9/11 is a conspiracy kook.


    This is about attempt # fifteen... Looks as though each comment is being okayed again...

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:12am

      Re: You've all been silent on over a MILLION Afghans and Iraqis murdered in illegal wars based on phony claims of WMD and "terrorist" threats, but now you're taking up for one Muslim boy?

      Who can be against this boy?

      Probably you, oh and Mason Wheeler.

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        Mason Wheeler (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:45am

        Re: Re: You've all been silent on over a MILLION Afghans and Iraqis murdered in illegal wars based on phony claims of WMD and "terrorist" threats, but now you're taking up for one Muslim boy?

        Who said I'm against him? I don't think he did anything wrong here; I just think it's silly for him (and apparently everyone else) to pile on with knee-jerk assumptions of racism.

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          bigot blaster, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:10am

          Re: Re: Re: You've all been silent on over a MILLION Afghans and Iraqis murdered in illegal wars based on phony claims of WMD and "terrorist" threats, but now you're taking up for one Muslim boy?

          You don't see color right Mason?

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          SSDD, 16 Sep 2015 @ 1:05pm

          Re: Re: Re: You've all been silent on over a MILLION Afghans and Iraqis murdered in illegal wars based on phony claims of WMD and "terrorist" threats, but now you're taking up for one Muslim boy?

          "Who said I'm against him? I don't think he did anything wrong here; I just think it's silly for him (and apparently everyone else) to pile on with knee-jerk assumptions of racism."

          Liar. You said that the presence of the black cop proved that there was no racism in this case.

          Once again, Mason Wheeler shits the bed. Same shit, different day...

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        Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:16am

        Re: Re: authority lovers

        The authority loving troll that goes by Whatever

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      Uriel-238 (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:28am

      Silence on Techdirt.

      Um, we've been far from silent.

      I've pointed out plenty of times how the US terrorizes the world while pointing at radicals who terrorize their own nations. It's still going on. There's little more to be said but to say it's still going on and it's not going to stop and that we've lost any kind of moral high-ground over it.

      We're more savage than the savages. We just have spiffier (faux) laurels and chalkier togas.

      But 9/11 is no more evident to be more than it appears than the Lincoln assassination. Still, it appears pretty damning to the US given like Lincoln and Kennedy we tried to cover it up anyway. But CIA trained Mujaheddin stealing some plains to suicide attack buildings because a Saudi rebel prince was pissed at our continuous sanctions and bombing campaigns over Mideastern oil? You don't need a worse conspiracy than that to prove the ruthlessness of the United States.

      In the meantime, you don't have to be brown skinned to be kicked if you're a smart kid who builds things, and you don't have to be smart to be kicked if you're a kid who looks different than the white mainstream. Poor Ahmed Mohamed got it coming in two ways, and now he's learned beyond a shadow of a doubt that the authorities are his enemy.

      So when he starts designing new bleeding edge tech, it's not going to be Texas who benefits.

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      PaulT (profile), 17 Sep 2015 @ 2:02am

      Re: You've all been silent on over a MILLION Afghans and Iraqis murdered in illegal wars based on phony claims of WMD and "terrorist" threats, but now you're taking up for one Muslim boy?

      "You've all been silent"

      No we haven't. We just don't rant like morons on sites that have nothing to do with such subjects.

      "But where have you been against the insanity of the past 14 years in which your gov't lied about WMD and Muslim "terrorists" to illegally invade and murder over a million people?"

      Places other than tech-focussed opinion blogs, such as polling stations, political venues and physical demonstrations. You know, where the opinion not only matters, it's actually relevant to the conversation.

      "Techdirt (and apparently most of its fanboys) claims anyone questioning 9/11 is a conspiracy kook."

      No, just you. But that's because you're clearly insane on every topic.

      "This is about attempt # fifteen... Looks as though each comment is being okayed again..."

      So, you're still too dumb to work out the posting system here? Figures.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:07am

    bombs don't have clocks on them.

    He was right when he said it looks like a "movie" bomb but those never hurt anyone. Putting a clock on a bomb is just cinematic bs to give some suspense.

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    Doug (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:07am

    Internet to the rescue

    We should crowdfund enough Arduinos to send one to every student at the school with a link to Arduino projects.

    The kids could make little robots that could picket at the front of the school with little signs, "Clocks unite -- at 2:37."

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 7:13pm

      Re: Internet to the rescue

      We should crowd fund some clue sticks to beat some common sense into the school officials and law enforcement.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:09am

    They also took his mug shot and fingerprints too. All your biometrics are belong to us. Likely in a central fusion center database now too.

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    Chris-Mouse (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:14am

    Welcome to the new America. Land of the formerly free, home of the scared stupid.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:45am

      Re:

      It's not like we don't have precedent for a country have a terrorist attack against a national monument then turn to a heavy handed government in the hopes of giving away their rights for security has ever happened in recent memory.

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    aethercowboy (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:19am

    I wonder how this would have been resolved if his name was Adam Miller (or some similar white-ish name) instead.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:02am

      Re:

      It never would have happened, lets be honest the teacher only took issue with the sound of the clock because he is Muslim. The whole bloody country is putting an emphasis on All Muslims are terrorists shoot first talk to after.

      If all Muslims were not evil terrorists there would be no justification for the pointless security theatre

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    Starcat, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:21am

    Suspicious behavior

    Also, this is a good time to remind your child how important it is to immediately report any suspicious items and/or suspicious behavior they observe to any school employee so we can address it right away.

    Does that include totally clueless teachers and administrators posing as intelligent people?

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    connermac725 (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:29am

    Stupid in Texas

    so let me get this straight if my skin was darker and I had a muslim name all the electronics I built could be a bomb regardless of whether it is or not
    so if calling it something makes it a bomb (even if its not)
    then texas school officials must be insane yes they are frickin crazy lets get them evaluated because I say they are unfit to teach

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    Mike Masnick (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:31am

    Updated with picture

    Added an update with a newly released picture of the clock. Anyone with even marginal competence should be able to see that it's not a bomb.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:32am

    Much like the oil pipeline protesters who hung up a banner with glitter got charged for faux bio terrorism because the police thought the glitter was a bioweapon.

    The police would rather make up fake charges to cover up their own mistake.

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    tubes (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:33am

    Am I missing something....

    Wasn't it illegal for the cops to be interviewing/interrogating an underage individual without his parents or at least their attorney present. I feel really bad for this kid I hope it doesn't discourage his hobby/talents because of some huge overreactions by the school administrators & law professionals.

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      Vincent Clement (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:57am

      Re: Am I missing something....

      I constantly remind my kids that if they are called into the Principal's office, the only thing they should say is "call my mom and dad" and say nothing else.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:06am

      Re: Am I missing something....

      When has knowing the law ever stopped a cop from breaking the law?

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        tubes (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:27am

        Re: Re: Am I missing something....

        You would think that the enforcers of the law would know the basics of law. It hasn't ever stopped them but they sure do know how to get a lot of lawsuits started & everyone is guilty, school administration to the police. I'm sure the family has been getting a lot of lawyer phone calls. This is Texas, just from this site we all know how much lawyers love Texas.

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          Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 2:07pm

          Re: Re: Re: Am I missing something....

          They know that they are largely exempted from any abuses of the law they committ solely because they are police and are given the benefit of the doubt.


          Nothing like giving power hungry lunatics and murderers a badge and a gun and telling them do whatever you like with next to no consequences

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    MrWonderful, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:35am

    Pretty sure the school official on up to the police etc involved are guilty of official oppression.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:36am

    I am proud to say that my kids have never set foot in a public school.

    Looking back, we began our homeschooling path because we taught all of our kids baby sign language. This gave them tools to communicate even when they could not enunciate words. Nothing is better than the DVS's from:

    signingtime.com

    Our thought process at the time was why stop teaching them, so we didnt. We are not overtly opposed to public schools it is just that we can do a better job.

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    Gracey, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:37am

    [ recommend using this opportunity to talk with your child about the Student Code of Conduct and specifically not bringing items to school that are prohibited.]

    So ummm, clocks are prohibited in Texas schools?

    How do they tell time, a sundial? No wait. That would be prohibited too because it has a sharp point.

    jesus. What idiots.

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    The Baker, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:42am

    The ignorant wants to bring us down to their ever declining level.

    As other commenters have noted, I too would have been in much trouble in school if it were like today.
    Growing up on a ranch and being a geek, I always had a .22 shell or 10 on me, had some sort of device with switches and LEDs that I made out of Radio Electronics or form Forrest Mims books from Radio shack or a project out of QST. Made a gun rack in shop class. One day we all brought our main hunting rifle to school for a special class on the care on them. No one was scared, no thought of threatening anyone even in jest. No parents, admins or teachers freak out.
    This indecent is quite upsetting as it seems like we have less and less intelligent educators and authority figures and more without any common sense.
    If these educators are the ones responsible for our future scientists and leaders, it in no wonder why most people in the Unites States could not pass this relatively simple quiz .
    I hope my concern that our society will go the way of others who lock up the intellectuals and scientists because those in power feel threatened as they do not understand.
    The question is, where is it truly breaking down and how do we fix it? Can we?

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    MrWonderful, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:44am

    Pretty sure the school officials on up to the police etc are guilty not only of official oppression but defamation of character, punitive damages. Filing a false police report and the list goes on. There'so excuse for school/police official ignorance.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 9:54am

    not only are these the people in charge of our kids (the teachers and principal) but also there are those who are supposed to protect us! why is it that the police chief of these various forces always make themselves look complete plums but still manage to arrest someone, even if it's a kid, charge them with some nonsensical crime that will be on the record for however many years, possibly ruining his chances of getting into a particular college and company, but thinks it's alright! i doubt if there is a police force anywhere that is so full of piss and importance as in the USA!

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:01am

    lol
    I really hope it had three red tubes attached to it.
    Practical jokes by arab people, he should have turned this into something funny.

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    Paul, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:04am

    Clueless School Administrators

    What is it in many school administrators educational background that makes them so clueless and unable to think and reason effectively? The curriculum for teachers / administrators has some serious flaws built into it; they don't seem to have any common sense or reasoning 101 courses in it. I've seen this type reaction many times; usually intertwined with the famous "zero tolerance policy" defense. A zero tolerance policy is not needed if administrators (and anyone else for that matter) simply uses their noggin before going off the deep end. What happened to taking each incident for what it is, figuring it out, and responding appropriately, without handcuffing a 14 year old and traumatizing him first and looking like dumb asses later? Here we had numerous so called professional adults who not only can't tell a bomb from a clock, but can't contain the situation in a reasonable way that does not cause emotional damage to a 14 year old, and who clearly was much further along in the intelligence department than any of the people who bungled the whole episode.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:32am

      Re: Clueless School Administrators

      Let's add lawyers to the blame mix. Any "zero tolerance" policy - the product of a school board, most likely - is designed as legal cover. It explicitly removes any need for thought by the administrators and lets the school board avoid responsibility for any potentially arbitrary decisions. They don't discriminate - they just treat everyone with the same level of disregard.

      Now, add a prevalence of emotional thinking to the mix and anything and everything is scary. Feeling safe is the goal, not real safety.

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    Steve Wozniak, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:09am

    oh shit they will shoot Woz!

    PLEASE somebody tell Steve Wozniak to avoid getting near the USA!!!

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:15am

    Meanwhile at the TSA headquarters.

    "You know those cops in texas are right! We can't tell bombs from clocks. Add clocks to the banned on airplanes list."

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    Wile E. Coyote, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:21am

    motive

    this kid did not have a kill list or a motive...
    YESTERDAY!

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:27am

    sodler skill badge

    school should beg forgiveness
    and give him a solder - Skill badge, or a blowj0b or something...

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    Joshers, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:39am

    Equal opportunity idiocy and fear mongering

    I went to school in North Texas. I once created a "gun" out of a cardboard tube from a roll of paper towels and tin-foil in art class. I remember having a pleasant meeting with several police officers, my parents, and several school administrators. To be fair though, I was never handcuffed like this kid, probably only because I'm not named Ahmed and I continuously and vehemently denied the cardboard tube was supposed to in any way shape or form be or resemble a gun. This was about 15 years ago. I'm sure things have gotten even worse since then.

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    nixie, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:47am

    james bond

    thank god he did not bring a NIXIE clock!!!
    The morons would be certain it was a RUSSIAN NUCLEAR BOMB!

    the bomb disposal squad would be literally ROFL

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    Erbo, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:51am

    HOMESCHOOL YOUR KIDS, PEOPLE.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 10:52am

    Charges have been dropped and Obama has invited him to bring his clock to the White House


    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obama-invites-suspended-muslim-teen-to-the-white-house/a r-AAenDFU?li=BBgzzfc

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    David, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:00am

    How can we encourage STEM

    Where is out STEM students going to come from, if any interesting project is seen as a threat by the local Luddites?

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    Jason, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:01am

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

    "Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training."

    Because, we don't want heavily armed individuals interacting with the public to be intelligent. Nice to see the consequences of this policy in action.

    "Looks like a bomb"... Cop looks like an idiot, and sometimes looks aren't deceiving.

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    Bamboo Harvester (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:03am

    The school was right

    First, they're under a gag order. You're only hearing what the KID claims, plus what the cops have released.

    Second, the kid didn't "invent" or "build" a clock. In the first interview I found on the story, he "rebuilt" a digital clock.

    From the picture, he broke the casing off a digital alarm clock and just changed the display to a larger one (if that - it may have been a large-display clock to begin with).

    HIS claim is that he put it in a "pencil box". He must have some huge pencils if that's a pencil box.

    This was the FIRST TIME he'd brought in a "project" (it wasn't a project, he did this all on his own).

    His FIRST PERIOD sci/tech instructor told him not to show it to anyone else, and he LEFT THE BATTERY IN IT.

    His SECOND PERIOD English teacher heard the alarm go off and then he "showed it to her". That's not a clock if the alarm is going off, it's a damned trigger device.

    Race card? Yeah, it was played. BY HIM. Muslim kid brings countdown device in a briefcase to school with big LED numbers? Uh-huh, he never, ever, thought that might be taken as a threat by anyone.

    Expect that if the gag order is lifted on the school we find out that he was getting smacked around by a few bullies on a daily basis and "built" this to "scare" them.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:17am

      Re: The school was right

      So much semantics in one post, and you make it sound soooo bad...let's dissect these for a moment:

      His FIRST PERIOD sci/tech instructor told him not to show it to anyone else, and he LEFT THE BATTERY IN IT.

      So the 1st period instructor certainly must not've thought it was a bomb...the battery being in it is irrelevant, if he only asked him not to SHOW it.

      That's not a clock if the alarm is going off, it's a damned trigger device.

      Is the thing next to your bed that wakes you up in the morning ALSO a "damned trigger device?"

      Muslim kid brings countdown device in a briefcase to school with big LED numbers?

      And by "countdown device" you mean something similar to the thing that wakes you up in the morning?

      Using arbitrary definitions to fit some bullshit narrative doesn't make it any more believable. If you're so fucking scared of clocks, perhaps you should set an example and get rid of every single "trigger device," "countdown device" or whatever the fuck else you think you should call a "clock" in order to defend school administrators who are incapable of utilizing "common sense" (AKA "material support for terrorists" in your fucked up world).

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:30am

      Re: The school was right

      Look at the plug next to the 'brief-case.' It will give you a sense of scale. That is a pencil box and I have a few like it too.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:45am

      Re: The school was right

      It astounds me how many people follow this line of thought.

      I can understand one point, which is acting on the beeping device. If I were a teacher I might be curious.

      The real trouble started when he showed the teacher the clock. If I was suspicious enough and saw it, and saw the obvious microcontroller setup a million hobbyists have with no explosives in sight I'd send him on his way.

      We even have a picture now. It doesn't look like anything dangerous. It's worrying that people think this was remotely an adequate response.

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        Bamboo Harvester (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 12:23pm

        Re: Re: The school was right

        Again, the school is under a gag order. Nobody has heard THEIR side but the cops.

        So he may have told the English teacher and the cops that it was "just a clock". What did he tell his friends - or his "enemies" it was? He's fourteen and apparently a nerd. The jocks are most likely making his school life miserable, and have been for some time - we must have more nerds here than just me, remember 8th grade?

        I'm usually the first to jump all over heavy-handed idiocy, especially from LEO's or self-appointed "gods" (educators).

        We're hearing one side, and some Islam Defense group jumped on this almost as soon as it happened. And as is happening here, the bulk of the "comments" on it are going to be racist - while ignoring what happened, the intent behind it, and, most importantly, cui bono.

        We're already seeing the latter right here - all the calls that the kid should get a free ride at some tech school.

        Taking the screws out (or just bashing the casing off with a hammer) of an alarm clock isn't "inventing" or "creating". What was this "project" SUPPOSED to be? He didn't "build" anything, he just re-cased a clock. Nobody assigned this "project" to him, he did it on his own. Also, if you watch the video(s) of how creative he is, he's not only holding the soldering iron incorrectly, he's jabbing it at the legs of surface-mount components.

        C'mon, apply some damned logic to this, not just knee-jerk "Texas!" "racist", "anti-muslim" rhetoric.

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          Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 12:28pm

          Re: Re: Re: The school was right

          You mean like the same logic you use to call a clock a "countdown device" and a "damned trigger device?"

          THAT kind of "logic?"

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            Bamboo Harvester (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 12:30pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: The school was right

            Exactly like that.

            Run the wires from the alarm on any clock (even if you don't recase it first) or from the speaker on a cell phone and you've got a trigger - now all you need is a charge.

            Why'd the kid do it? Re-case a clock with a large digital display and bring it to school?

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              Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 12:33pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The school was right

              I see...and the countdown device next to your bed that wakes you up? We shouldn't be suspicious about that?

              Paranoia is NOT a desirable trait, despite what you may think personally.

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                Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 1:02pm

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The school was right

                Paranoia is NOT a desirable trait...
                No, but it's a fabulous marketing tool.

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          bureau13 (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 1:22pm

          Re: Re: Re: The school was right

          It's "logic" to make up a bunch of "what-if" scenarios for which you have zero evidence? Is that what that is?

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          Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 3:12pm

          Re: Re: Re: The school was right

          What does it matter what he told people? Once you see the device and see that it is NOT a bomb the case is closed. There might be some punishment for making those kinds of threats (which no one has even mentioned, keep in mind a lot of the members of the school have taken their voices to the internet) but it's not nearly level to what they were going to charge him for.

          As for what it's for, maybe he just wanted to do it? It's one of the most common electronics projects and he could've just wanted to show people a cool thing.

          I didn't even mention racism or anything of the sort. I simply don't see any reason as to why the issue escalated to what it did.

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          Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 5:34pm

          Re: Re: Re: The school was right

          It's not the knowledge or building/recasing/whatever a clock or not.

          He has the proper attitude to be there: he likes to tinker with things, even if he's doing so clumsily.

          Most people, including adults, don't know how to do so. Well, even changing the batteries of their clocks might be an issue for them.

          Damn, some don't even know how to set the alarm of their clocks (or for that matter, use their own microwave).


          If I was the principal of a tech school, I'd prefer people like him that are curious than people with good grades, that are good at studying, and that's it.

          Those are the kind of people that invent things later on, even if now he's just recasing a clock.


          Btw, I don't know you, but I don't know many kids that know how to use a soldering iron; or that even have touched one. Or adults, for that matter.

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      DigDug, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:56am

      Re: The school was right

      Kid Rock has a song for you - FOAD.

      Look it up, listen to it - and then do what it says Bamboo Harvester.

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      Mason Wheeler (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 12:11pm

      Re: The school was right

      Minor nitpick:
      it wasn't a project, he did this all on his own

      I dunno if it's different for circuit boards, but I use the term "personal project" (or simply "project") all the time to describe programming work I'm doing on my own, and so do plenty of other programmers.

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        Bamboo Harvester (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 12:27pm

        Re: Re: The school was right

        So substitute "assignment" for "project".

        He did it on his own. It wasn't a school project or assignment. It was the VERY FIRST such time he'd brought anything in to "show" people.

        And all he did was knock the case off an existing clock and remount (apparently just the display) in another case.

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          Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 12:29pm

          Re: Re: Re: The school was right

          He did it on his own. It wasn't a school project or assignment.

          So what?

          Is he limited to performing tasks that are solely assigned by the school?

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      PopeyeLePoteaux (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 12:14pm

      Re: The school was right

      "Expect that if the gag order is lifted on the school we find out that he was getting smacked around by a few bullies on a daily basis and "built" this to "scare" them."

      Bullshit, if that was the case, we would now by now from external sources (classmates, parents, etc.), unless you alredy know that he is "invisible" to the rest of the school because he has no friends and no one has ever interacted with him, at all.

      tl;dr

      "Authority is NEVER WRONG" /s

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 12:22pm

      Re: The school was right

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      Uriel-238 (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 1:03pm

      As one of the kids who DID get "smacked around by bullies on a daily basis"...

      ...I can empathize with those that decide to shoot up a school or build actual bombs to terrorize the neighborhood, since it was very clear in my case that the protection of the law did not apply to me and I did not have any inalienable right to life and liberty, given that the ogres who made my life miserable were free to take their liberties on me with impunity.

      Most victims of bullies are too lawful for their own good do respect the lives and rights of others, often including the bullies that assault them. And the weakness and infrequency of reprisal against bullies and the society that enables them allows for the community to pay lip-service to stopping minor-on-minor assault without actually doing anything.

      If kids actually did build real bombs and resorted to real murder and real terror when they've had enough, maybe society would actually look towards causes of child-on-child violence and not simply disparage the victims for being small and weak.

      Of course, part of the problem is that like birds or sharks in a frenzy, when someone does show weakness, our species has a tendency to swarm and peck them to death, as was shown to be the case here. Absent in the reports is a single advocate for Ahmed noting that all he built was a timepiece, and the key part of a bomb is a payload.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:06am

    I saw the bomb image.

    If that image is true and not something that the police cobbled not to look like the idiots they are.

    Well, I conclude that it isn't a bomb.


    You see: THERE ARE NO FREAKING RED AND BLUE CABLES TOGETHER.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:16am

    What ever happened to time-out?

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    DigDug, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:53am

    Fire the entire faculty at that school because they obviously lied to get their jobs.

    It's obvious to me that not a single member of that School's staff has more than 1 brain cell to rub together, so they had to have lied about their credentials to get their jobs.

    I'd also arrest the police officers involved because they are prejudicial hate mongers who also appear to have no functioning neural capacity.

    Being smarter than everyone at the school and in that local police department isn't a crime, however, it should be. Not for the smart student, but for the idiots running the school and police department.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 11:54am

    Maybe they should waterboard the kid til they get him to confess that he's really a terrorist building a bomb and was gonna blow up the school.

    Ridiculous!

    What the hell happened to common sense and using that grey matter between your ears? I feel sorry for kids today that have to go through all this ridiculous crap while just trying to get an education. Most are probably just praying for a good old fashioned bully than having to deal with this.

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    Zonker, 16 Sep 2015 @ 12:24pm

    Thank goodness the school prevented another brilliant student from potentially becoming an electrical engineer or other professional occupation. Now hopefully the rest of the school children can just be kept dumb enough so they could all grow up to be proper Texas English teachers, school administrators, East District patent jurors, or even police officers if they aim low enough!

    /sarcasm

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 12:31pm

    My first thought on reading this story

    "Thank goodness that the thugs, bullies, liars, idiots, and cowards who call themselves Police didn't pump this kid full of bullets and leave him to bleed out on the ground."

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 12:40pm

    Idiots Rule in Irving Texas

    The cretinous nincompoops staffing the Irving Independent School District in Texas namely principal Daniel Cummings and superintendent Jose L Para along with the cretinous costume wearing know-nothings of the Irving Texas police department especially police chief Larry Boyd have reaffirmed the time honored adage:

    Idiots Rule

    These idiots have acted solely upon their base/uninformed opinions and personal biases to conspire in attempting to destroy the life of Ahmed Mohamed a fourteen year old student.

    Is the local prosecutor going to allow the cretinous know-nothings of the Irving police department to bring charges and destroy Ahmed Mohamed's young life for the audacity of building a clock at home and bringing it to school?

    Every last one of the tax-feeding cretins involved should be given a clock built by Ahmed Mohamed, as a parting gift, and then be summarily fired.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 1:13pm

    I mean, the clock was built in a briefcase and it would be reasonable to suspect that, with the beeping, it could be a bomb. Instead of painting this as Islamophobia and more liberal outrage, how about stepping into the shoes of the school for a second?

    If the clock happened to be a bomb, and the school did nothing about it, then everyone would be up in arms about why the school didn't do anything. Now, schools across the country are going to be more hesitant to accuse students of bringing in weapons.

    Ahmed was released after this whole thing was cleared up. Can we stop painting everything in this world about race and bigotry?

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 1:20pm

      Re:

      On Wednesday, Irving Police Chief Larry Boyd said that the arresting officers quickly determined there was no immediate threat the device would detonate, which is why they did not evacuate the high school.

      Seems like they came to the conclusion pretty quickly that this wasn't a threat, yet continued anyways.

      Schools across the country are administered by idiots, who clearly lack critical thinking skills, and backed by police who lack the same. You should be more worried about the fact that our children are being educated by paranoid, mindless idiots.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 1:22pm

      Re:

      Ahmed was released after this whole thing was cleared up. Can we stop painting everything in this world about race and bigotry?

      Sure, but ignoring the problem isn't going to make the City of Irving's property taxes go down after this kid makes bank on a lawsuit.

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      Uriel-238 (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 2:15pm

      Because obviously bombs beep.

      Would you have preferred if it dinged and he called it an egg timer? Would it have been okay then?

      Now, schools across the country are going to be more hesitant to accuse students of bringing in weapons.

      One could only friggin' hope.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 2:17pm

      Re:

      so if someone thinks your holding a bomb and you insist its not you are perfectly alright with being interrogated without a legal guardian or lawyer present. Then when you still deny what the police want you to say you are again perfectly alright to be arrested in front of your coworkers, neighbours and taken to a police station and denied any rights to a phone call or a lawyer. All because it could have been real so your rights no longer apply.


      If you are released then obviously it doesn't matter that your rights were violated and the police knowingly broke laws to ensure that the chance you might be a dangerous criminal that had to be treated as such.

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      Anonymous Coward, 20 Sep 2015 @ 6:51pm

      Re:

      Now, schools across the country are going to be more hesitant to accuse students of bringing in weapons.

      You say that like it is a bad thing.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 1:14pm

    Irving ISD: Where Children Come First

    The Irving ISD handbook (slogan: "Where Children Come First") lists as a prohibited item "a 'look-alike' weapon." Is that a weapon that is a "look-alike"? Is that anything that "looks like" a weapon? What even does that mean?

    Clearly, the school did not believe it was a "weapon". At most it "looked like" a weapon. Is the Administration so unable to enforce its own policies that it needs to call the cops even for items that "look like", but it knows are not, weapons?

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 1:19pm

    Texas Law

    So no matter how they react, you are guilty:

    § 46.08. HOAX BOMBS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly manufactures, sells, purchases, transports, or possesses a hoax bomb with intent to use the hoax bomb to:
    (1) make another believe that the hoax bomb is an explosive or incendiary device; or
    (2) cause alarm or reaction of any type by an official of a public safety agency or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies.
    (b) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

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      Uriel-238 (profile), 16 Sep 2015 @ 2:18pm

      Re: Texas Law

      Doesn't that mean the prosecution has to prove he intended the timer to cause alarm or a reaction by officials or responders?

      I'm pretty sure the reaction he was looking for was Hey, that's really neat! not TERRRRRRIST!

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 1:23pm

    Irving PD Statement

    Read the statement below from the Irving PD:

    (Irving, Texas) Sept.16, 2015 – Earlier this week, school resource officers at MacArthur High School were notified by the Irving ISD officials about a student in possession of a suspicious device. Attached is a picture of the device that shows it was suspicious in nature. The student showed the device to a teacher, who was concerned that it was possibly the infrastructure for a bomb. School resource officers questioned the student about his intentions and the reasons why he brought the device to school. The student only would say it was a clock and was not forthcoming at that time about any other details.

    Having no other information to go on, and taking into consideration the device’s suspicious appearance and the safety of the students and staff at MacArthur High School, the student was taken into custody for possessing a hoax bomb.

    Under Texas law, a person is guilty of possessing a hoax bomb if he possesses a device that is intended to cause anyone to be alarmed or a reaction of any type by law enforcement officers. Following standard procedure the student was handcuffed for his safety and for the safety of the officers and was transported to a juvenile processing area of the police station. Recognizing additional facts were required, the student was released to his parents, so further investigation could be completed.
    
    The follow-up investigation revealed the device apparently was a homemade experiment, and there is no evidence to support the perception he intended to create alarm. No charges will be filed and the case is considered closed. Obviously, we will review this as we do high profile incidents of any nature, but it evolved as it did as a matter of safety and an abundance of caution.

    The Irving Police Department has always experienced an outstanding relationship with the Muslim community. We recognize situations like this present challenges, but we are committed to continuing to build a positive relationship.

    Chief Boyd plans to meet with the student’s father later today to answer his questions and to help him understand more about how this process evolved.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 2:01pm

      Re: Irving PD Statement

      In a normal situation they would talk to the student with the parents present. They would not intimidate and use interrogation tactics arrest him parade him out in public for all to see then deny him the right to call his parents because he is under arrest. Which apparently in texas when you are arrested you don't have any rights. Especially if you are arrested to cover up police maleficence.


      In this case the students rights went out the window the moment the police got involved instead of going their jobs they chose to intimidate and try and coerce a minor. Who refused to say what they wanted him to and thus arrested him.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 1:31pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqd1LnsFsVQ Hope these people don't live in Irving Texas. I wonder when the cops in Irving are going to get around to outlawing Legos. According to their crack police force, that could be a bomb, or at least a bomb hoax that fellow and his kid are building.

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    Digitari, 16 Sep 2015 @ 2:37pm

    Point of clarity

    this is EAST Texas, not west Texas where I live, I lived in east Texas for 3 years before moving to the west. It is like night and day. My car was broken into 3 times, in the 8 years I have lived in west Texas my car has not been molested.


    I am a nerd as well and was bullied in middle school, because I wore thick glasses and read books all the time, however it only took one shot from the binding of a paperback to the bridge of the nose to stop the school bully from picking on me and EVERY other nerd/bookworm in school. the bully later killed himself in a drunk driving accident, Karma really is a bitch!!

    I can understand the school thinking this "may" be a bomb in the making but it really none of there business if they are NOT experts in the field.

    The other point is, if it was a bomb the "beeping" would have been an explosion and the Teacher would not have had a chance to see the clock in the first place.

    Some of us nerds like to get extra credit in classes we enjoyed.

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    Brian Goodrich, 16 Sep 2015 @ 3:25pm

    This is going to make an awesome story when this kid is cruising in his 2024 Tesla heading to his Tony Stark like job.

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    liar, 16 Sep 2015 @ 3:54pm

    police chief had dropped criminal charges against Ahmed Mohamed

    http://boingboing.net/2015/09/16/irving-txs-notorious-islama.html
    mayor worries that Ahmed Mohamed's arrest will negatively impact town police

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Sep 2015 @ 7:53pm

      Re: police chief had dropped criminal charges against Ahmed Mohamed

      That might result in more people refusing to respect them and the police deciding to shoot in the face as a result of that lack of respect they demand

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    Rekrul, 16 Sep 2015 @ 4:50pm

    Since when are police allowed to question a minor without their parents or a child advocate present?

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    wilhelm wundt, 17 Sep 2015 @ 12:03am

    this IS the schooling goal: to make children alike

    Now OBAMA and SUGARMOUNTAIN jumped on the fame bandwagon to use him as a propaganda tool,
    and they act as they have no idea this is exactly what schooling is for:
    https://youtu.be/G3nVwrSk1p4
    https://youtu.be/aCPFHaC2tTo
    https://youtu.be/McVUkWKEGJk
    please go to the white house and to facebook and explain them on live camera the the "Six Functions of Education"
    http://www.wesjones.com/gatto1.htm

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      Anonymous Coward, 17 Sep 2015 @ 8:19am

      Re: this IS the schooling goal: to make children alike

      I guess punctuation and grammer aren't one of the Six Functions.

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    Anonymous Coward, 17 Sep 2015 @ 5:17am

    Wow, that kid is a genius. Look at how perfect that wiring is. Impressive, i dont know anyone who could build something like that without serious machinery.

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    Uriel-238 (profile), 17 Sep 2015 @ 6:10pm

    Stereotypes and Cognative bias

    TL:DR Click the link to the funny lion. Humans want to think Ahmed has made a bomb the way they want to think the lion is trying to eat the baby.

    There's a common phenomenon now that our zoos have viewing tunnels with thick windows: Lionesses trying to eat babies. That's not what's really happening. The lioness' facial and body language is anything but hostile or predatory (and zoologists think the lionesses recognize the toddlers as some sort of cub...thing and want to sniff at and maybe even protect it.) Still guests commonly think lion >> big cat >> predator >> eats things >> trying to eat baby.

    I suspect that's what's going on here. Giving our Irving teachers, administrators and police officers the benefit of the doubt, they saw a brown kid named Ahmed Muhammed who had built a what was an important component of a bomb, in fact, the most recognizable component, we in the US have been conditioned to think brown Muslim Arab >> Terrorist, ergo it follows that when a brown Muslim Arab teenager creates a thing that could be used as the component of a bomb that he's an adolescent terrorist turning into an adult one, much like a kitten disemboweling a stuffed catnip toy with its hind legs, in preparation for doing the same with live prey.

    I don't think anyone actively thought it through to this degree of detail, but our brains look for patterns like this and may have recognized a pattern that is consistent with normal zoological development, even though we as a species have a more sophisticated development process.

    This might have been the pattern they were recognizing when they panicked were trying to affirm when they separated him from parents and advocates and tried to force him to sign a confession. I suspect that these people felt as a deep level that he was obviously practicing for growing up to become a terrorist.

    To get beyond this presumption people have to actively employ reason. They have to consciously think things like:
    ~ Ahmed's name, color and religion do not necessarily correlate to how his tinkering is applied.
    ~ Clocks are used for many things other than setting off bombs. In fact, very few clocks are used to set off bombs.
    ~ A boy making an electronic clock does not necessarily have the ambition of making more clocks or clock-related devices, rather he might go on to make other useful electronic devices not related to clocks or bombs.

    It's easy to conclude that the boy is a terrorist, or a terrorist-in-training.

    It's difficult to decide to disregard some indicators that the boy might be a terrorist-in-training and that he has yet to make life choices which will very probably not lead to actual terrorism.

    I don't have a solution for this. It would be nice to only hire rational people for teachers, administrators and law enforcement and to encourage the human species to seek to deescalate situations like this, even when a kid does make a hoax bomb or blow up the toilets with by flushing dry ice (which has happened in schools without police involvement).

    But, I think, we're going to just need to be aware that this is a very specific way in which humans are often stupid.

    Also, As was pointed out to me by a friend, Ahmed is one of the lucky ones. He didn't sign anything incriminating when he was cornered. He's charming enough to look good on social media. His story caught the attention of news and some major figures. Plenty more kids get buried when a grown-up perceives them as a threat to themselves or to society, and their lives get ruined, and if they don't turn into casualties, they do turn into terrorists*, only not necessarily the bomb-wielding Arab kind.

    * Actually terrorists are a specific kind of criminal who engages in mass lethal attacks for political cause, we just like to use it a lot for hyperbole (e.g. pick-pocketing = terrorism) and I was using it as hyperbole in this instance. When we ruin kids lives and they survive, they just tend to become menaces to society that traffic in sex and drugs and murder and fill our impacted jail cells. But that's not terror, just crime.

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    Anonymous Coward, 17 Sep 2015 @ 10:46pm

    ATF logic

    The problem is that these idiot officials don't even know what a "fake" bomb even looks like. A bomb needs an explosive payload of some kind, without which it could not go boom. If this boy's homemade clock had a pair of wires going into a big steel pipe capped on both ends, then suspicion would have been warranted.

    But simply having a few electronic components wired together does not even come close to making a working bomb. Unless of course a person could be charged with building a PARTIAL BOMB (timer without any explosive) in the same way that possessing a tiny part of a banned machinegun (i.e., drop-in autoshear) carries the same penalty as having the complete gun. That's ATF logic for you, and if applied here then perhaps having just a single component such as a timing mechanism (or wires ... or even a case to hold it) capable of being used to construct a bomb could count the same as having a complete bomb. As ridiculous as it seems, that's exactly the way gun laws work, or at least the way the ATF creatively interprets gun laws.

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), 18 Sep 2015 @ 12:47am

    I am enjoying all of the people who are trying to say the school did the right thing.
    Do the mental gymnastics to overlook obvious racism hurt much?
    This happened in a city where the mayor played the ZOMG SHARIA LAW WILL TAKE OVER THE NATION card.
    She sat in a city meeting and said that everyone had a right to let council know how they felt, and then backhanded them with but you can't bring your laws here to the applause of the terrified of brown people who support her.

    If they thought for a second it was a fucking bomb, why did they not evacuate?
    If they thought for a second it was a fucking bomb, why did the bomb squad not get called?
    If they thought for a second it was a fucking bomb, why did they leave him in classes with the damn thing sitting in the office when he could use his mind to trigger it at any time?
    If they thought for a second it was a fucking bomb, why did they toss it in the cop car and drive away with it?
    If they thought for a second it was a fucking bomb, it was only after the fact when someone pointed out how horribly they fucked this whole thing up.

    The crime was scaring someone who on edge expecting that one of the brown kids would bomb the school to overthrow the country. They are being wound up in a political game, by those who don't believe the couched hatred they babble about. Fear gets asses in voting booths, and they were hoping for a lovely story about how they stopped the evil brown kid from doing something horrible and instead ended up very possibly violating a students rights, exposing the rampant racism, and the small minds who will use whatever power they can get to shove those who are different down.

    Can we just admit that most of us know very little about those who are different than us, and assume different is bad. We are being fed a steady stream of ZOMG by the media, and just assuming all of these people are like others who have done horrible things who happen to be the same color or have the same faith. If one were to suggest that all Christians were evil people who invaded lands and killed those who were different in anyway, you'd be told off... but I'm just judging them by the Crusades... like people keep judging millions of people by the actions of a few.

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    GEMont, 18 Sep 2015 @ 5:37pm

    In China, white is the color of death.

    In fact, if history has any lessons at all to teach us, it is the simple fact that most of the really heinous shit that has been done to people on this rock, was done by white guys.

    Gonna take the non-whites a few more centuries to catch up, let alone exceed the white guy horror.

    Then again, with the Five Eyes White Guys working their whiles behind the scenes, its is very likely that the non-whites will never catch up.

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      Uriel-238 (profile), 18 Sep 2015 @ 7:45pm

      The White Menace

      I'd stick to the old Twilight Zone lesson People are the same all over.

      Not because I feel the need to defend the white menace, but point out that color isn't the factor power is.

      We got there first when it came to ranching, steel and firearms. We were Martians, regarding the Earth with envious eyes and drawing our plans to conquer it. But if China was on the ball, or South Africa got lucky, it be them and we'd associate conquest with their race.

      Human beings are not angels. We're beasts not even slightly less beastly than our Chimpanzee cousins. We struck gold with our fabulous cerebellums and took this tool thing to truly amazing levels. But that doesn't make us the noble masters of technology that we are so fond of imagining us to be. It makes us savage beasts with guns.

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        GEMont, 19 Sep 2015 @ 9:05pm

        Re: The White Menace

        Agreed without reservation.

        However, that does not change the simple fact that we white guys are still - according to the record - the nastiest bunch of bastards this earth has ever seen - so far. :)

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          Anonymous Coward, 20 Sep 2015 @ 11:05am

          Re: Re: The White Menace

          Not just 'white' but specifically English, who spread their language, culture, and religion across the entire globe like no other conqueror has ever done before. The British Empire (now headquartered in Washington, D.C.) never really went away, it only changed its form.

          We can only wonder what might have become of the world if the Welsh or Scots or Irish armies had defeated the English all those centuries ago.

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            GEMont, 20 Sep 2015 @ 3:09pm

            Re: Re: Re: The White Menace

            The really sad part about that very fact - the continuing White English take-over of Earth - is that most of the white english-speaking people of earth will actually support its continued growth and criminal behavior, simply because its apparently pro english-speaking-white-folks.

            Because we let the rich write history, its not part of our general knowledge base that once the Empire gets established, only the rich, white, english-speaking people and their rich, foreign-speaking, non-white partners, share the wealth stolen from the rest of the world, not the general white, english-speaking riff raff that supported the empire in its rise to power.

            The reason rich people keep doing this is simply because the rest of us non-rich folks, simply never learn the lesson.

            The Five Eyes will of course succeed in establishing its control over the resources of earth, but because it is composed of nothing but the rich, it will bring about the entropic end of this era's civilizations, through greed, selfish self-aggrandizement and childish irresponsibility, just as every previous empire-group has done in the past.

            But because this group has the power of technology on its side, it has the unique potential and likely probability of bringing the entire human civilization to its knees, and possibly beyond.

            Since the populations of earth will do nothing to stop this process, only time will tell whether we get to try it all again or not.

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