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The Lies Your Government Tells You About NSA Surveillance
from the all-in-one-place dept
The folks over at ProPublica have collected a series of flat-out lies by government officials concerning NSA snooping and put them all together in a short video.
It includes statements from Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, NSA boss Keith Alexander, Senate Intelligence boss Senator Dianne Feinstein and President Barack Obama -- all stating false claims about NSA surveillance publicly. It then shows how those statements were false. We've said it before but as these very same officials now are trying to assure us there's nothing wrong with the program, given their past lies, how can we take them seriously?
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All their credibility is gone for good. The NSA leaks have left us without a shadow of a doubt, who is honest and who is not.
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But do you still believe others in politics / administration?
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I believe I'll have another beer.
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Lies?
They are just telling you what you want to hear.
Sleep well...
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in a world where beer is "cool" and opinions are unfolded as if anyone gives a damn
watch out, dun dun dun...
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I forgot
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It depends on who they're lying to
1. Non-techy, trusting people who think that the government never lies to them. That's the majority of the voters. You know them, they keep voting for people like Feinstein and King, no matter how stupid they are.
2. The smart people, who not only don't listen to their lies, they understand them to be lies, and will always distrust them.
Too bad the majority of Americans fall into the first category, and not the second, because we'd have a revolution if that were the case.
The government knows this and laughs at everyone. They know they can get away with anything they want because they have the power to do it, and we don't.
"See, we are the government, we lie and we don't care if you care about it. Whatcha gonna do about it?"
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Government and Lying
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Re: Lies?
ftfy
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Open your eyes and look around.
Beer is best served cold and opinions are like assholes, what's the point?
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Re: It depends on who they're lying to
I realize it makes life easier to deal with when things are simple, but that is hardly ever is the case - things are just not that simple.
For example, "there are two types of people". This is obviously incorrect as there are many different pigeon holes in which people can be stuffed. In addition, your stereotype presents the incorrect inference that non technical people are not smart.
In addition, I would like to see the data which you used in the determination that a majority of Americans fall into the first of your two buckets.
I see blog comments about revolution but this could mean anything from civil disobedience to armed insurrection. The latter of the two is something you should think twice about as it is never as sweet as you see in Hollywood movies, in fact it would quite miserable. There are many non violent ways to address the issues which face society today. It is discouraging to see the low voter turnout numbers and the attempts at disenfranchisement, but not all is lost.
Oh - btw, it's not us vs them ... it's us vs us and we are losing.
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doesn't suck. But it does.
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The $$ rules
Unfortunately the majority of people are not willing to stand up and be counted. Most think that elections are the only time they really have a say.
Unbeknown to the people is they have the power to change policy by simply having a majority disobey a law
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It's clear that the main purpose of the National Surveillance Agency is to keep an eye on public citizens worldwide to find trends in public thinking so that government can react to any substantial political movements that may threaten the existing power structure.
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Revolution would happen if there were enough type 1's that aren't getting their basic needs meet and then revolt out of pure FUD. In which case we would end up repeating the process.
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The problem of corruption needs to be reduced, although it will probably never be eliminated. It seems we continually put in place conflicts of interest, only to later act shocked that it became a problem.
The influence of money and resulting regulatory capture is an unsustainable form of government if one wishes to avoid the eventual public revolt. Sure you can beat them down with clubs, tazers and drones but you will never get their respect nor their cooperation. That is a hell of a way to live and a rather shitty society.
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I didn't say anything "I" or "you" want done
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BBQ
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Of course it's still a moot point, because the government itself through it's actions have done more damage to the country, it's reputation, and the people's trust in it, than any terrorist could have ever managed, so given that it's not hard to see who's the real threat to the american public and their rights.
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Lobbying by groups should be made to have each and every dollar funding that group accountable to an individual.
Otherwise it is never us vs us. That's an excuse to mask our incapacitation. We are effectively, for the most part, marginalized.
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you could put an entire new government and president in place and it wouldn't solve the problem. it may do a bit of good but the root of the problem isn't just in a single country.
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NSA
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the problem is every human being on the planet as a whole. the laws and all the rest of this nonsense are nothing without you... the government, nsa or whatever you want to add. they're not the problem.
if these people moved to a remote island where there are no people then they could write all the laws they wanted and it wouldn't have any effect.
I could have worded it better but you get the idea
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I Love...
I really, really love big brother...
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The same reason the past POTUS were in office - they didn't step down.
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I almost think the impeachment of Bill Clinton was botched so badly so no one would have the balls to try it again for a long time.
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Also spell checker is really cool, try it.
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(making popcorn)
This should be good.
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Is it named that because he's going to be spewing shit?
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Trust me...
There are HORRIBLY few congressman who actually are there to help the country. Most are there to help themselves.
So always ask yourself... how does what they say or do help them?
Obviously, the answer to how does increased, illegal, unconstitutional survellience help them is simple. Look at the last election:
1) IRS specifically (and illegally) targeted political conservative groups to prevent them from having nonprofit status, limiting the amount of contributions they could contribute to conservative candidates
2) The tax records of Mitt Romney and large donors to Mitt Romney were illegally released to the media and certain members of the opposite party
3) The IRS put an illegal (and completely false) tax lien on a conservative candidate Christine O'Donnel, causing controversy that most say cost her the election
Regardless of whether you are democrat or republican, liberal or conservative, hopefully you agree that the government should not be using its power to persecute any political, religious or other group based on beliefs or philosophies.
If you don't agree... go move to Iran or Russia.
The fact is, the government cannot handle the power it has... and certain doesn't deserve any more.
But they want it so that they can abuse it.
And just think... soon, because of Obamacare, they will have access to ALL of our medical histories!
NO POSSIBILITY OF USE THERE!
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In requesting an investigation, Darrell Issa requested the inspector general to only report on conservative groups that had been subjected to review of their requests, thus intentionally over looking other groups who had also been looked into.
- To which year of Romney tax return(s) are referring and who are you implying did the releasing? I could guess, but you really should state your accusations in a more concise manner, otherwise you simply look to ranting. Romney released his own 2011 & 2010 returns and refused to release 2009 and prior.
- The issue about a tax lien is interesting in that it was not news back when it supposedly happened years ago, but is only now surfacing. I suspect another weak attempt at scandal manufacturing. Also, she destroyed her campaign, not some tax lien which we are only now finding out about.
Your silly regurgitation of talking points is cute, but sad. You really should get out more often.
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