Announcing The Declaration Of Internet Freedom

from the join-the-discussion dept

A whole bunch of organizations and individuals are getting together today to launch the beginning of a process, the creation of an Internet Declaration of Freedom. We've seen how the internet has been under attack from various directions, and we recognize that it's time to make that stop. The internet is an incredible platform that we want to grow and to thrive, and thus, a very large coalition got together to produce the following document as a starting point, hoping to kick off a much larger discussion which we hope you'll join in.

We've set up our own Step2 discussion page where you can vote on the principles, discuss them, add your own ideas... whatever you'd like. You can, of course, also discuss them below in the comments. There are a number of other organizations setting up pages as well. The folks at Free Press have put up a Declaration of Internet Freedom site that lists out many of the organizations and individuals who were involved in putting this together and who are supporting the effort. There's also a subreddit and a Cheezburger page. Lots of other groups have set up action pages where you can take part as well, including EFF, Access and Free Press.
We believe that a free and open Internet can bring about a better world. But to keep the Internet free and open, we must promote these principles in every country, every industry and every community. And we believe that these freedoms will bring about more creativity, more innovation and a better society.

We are joining an international movement to defend our freedoms because we believe that they are worth fighting for.

Let’s discuss these principles — agree or disagree with them, debate them, translate them, make them your own and broaden the discussion with your community — as only the Internet can make possible.

Join us in keeping the Internet free and open.


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Declaration of Internet Freedom
We stand for a free and open Internet.

We support transparent and participatory processes for making Internet policy and the establishment of five basic principles:

Expression: Don't censor the Internet.

Access: Promote universal access to fast and affordable networks.

Openness: Keep the Internet an open network where everyone is free to connect, communicate, write, read, watch, speak, listen, learn, create and innovate.

Innovation: Protect the freedom to innovate and create without permission. Don’t block new technologies, and don’t punish innovators for their users' actions.

Privacy: Protect privacy and defend everyone’s ability to control how their data and devices are used.


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    Alana (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 2:27am

    Hell yeah.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 3:30am

    100% yes

    however, i wonder how long before the entertainment industries issue a cease and desist/take down notice? one of them, surely, is bound to try to claim the copyright on it!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 3:34am

    So, it says "Privacy: Protect privacy and defend everyone’s ability to control how their data and devices are used."

    I like the idea, so I click the up-arrow, and it says "Please log in or register to vote."

    No thanks.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 3:51am

    "Privacy: Protect privacy and defend everyone’s ability to control how their data and devices are used."

    Yet, to sign the declaration you must give your first and last name, e mail address, organisation and position. How is that protecting privacy?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 3:57am

    Re:

    Also, you only have to visit Techdirt with Ghostery on and you will see just how many services are tracking you. You may want to practice what you preach, Techdirt.

     

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    Jim Harper (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 3:58am

    I got yer 'Declaration of Internet Freedom'

    I like this Declaration of Internet Freedom better. But the one I really like is the Bill of Rights. With gems like "Congress shall make no law," and, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated," I think the original Declaration of Internet Freedom is the bees knees.

     

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    trollificus (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 3:59am

    Re:

    Well, anonymous, your best action towards achieving perfect online anonymity is "don't go online". Alternatively, you might take a minute to consider the difference between "privacy" and "anonymity".

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 3:59am

    I agree with most of this but I have one question.

    "Access: Promote universal access to fast and affordable networks."

    What does this entitle? Will this universal access come about by having governments raise taxes or force companies to bring broadband into markets or areas that are not profitable for them?

    It is not right to promote one freedom (internet access) by taking away another (economic choice).

     

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    Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 4:00am

    OT. but relevant.
    "In case you can't read the graphic, here's the text version: "
    I can not tell you how much I approve of this text. (I have met some really cool blind people online)
    Inclusion for visually impaired people is completely neglected by the majority IRL, on the web we have the ability and tech to work around it, but a shame exists, it is not done enough.

     

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    The Infamous Joe (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 4:06am

    Education

    From reading the few comments so far, it seems we need a good old fashioned education campaign on the difference between privacy and anonymity. Sheesh.

     

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    Zakida Paul (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 4:15am

    Question

    I went to the declaration site and wanted to sign it but Organisation is a required field. Why? I am not part of an organisation so I can't sign.

     

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    The eejit (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 4:17am

    Re: Re:

    Uhh, half of those are not TD things. Like Facbook Connect. Or Google Analytics. They must clkearly be profiting from piracy! OR is that privacy?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 4:19am

    Re:

    It is also great for when you are reading on your phone, with images disabled to avoid hitting your bandwidth limit.

     

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    The eejit (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 4:19am

    Re: Question

    The Public?

     

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    Michael Whitetail, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 4:21am

    Re: Question

    We are Anonymous. We are Legion. should fit in the field just fine

     

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    Zakida Paul (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 4:23am

    Re: Re: Question

    Good point, I shall put The Public as Organisation and Concerned Citizen as Position :)

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 4:23am

    Re: Question

    I went to the declaration site and wanted to sign it but Organisation is a required field. Why? I am not part of an organisation so I can't sign.

    The Free Press site is only for signing up organizations. Other sites will allow you to sign as individuals... There isn't just one site at this point -- but lots of sites taking part.

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 4:25am

    Re: I got yer 'Declaration of Internet Freedom'

    I like this Declaration of Internet Freedom better. But the one I really like is the Bill of Rights. With gems like "Congress shall make no law," and, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated," I think the original Declaration of Internet Freedom is the bees knees.

    Hey... finally something Jim and I disagree on. :)

    I actually think something like this is important for a few reasons. First, this is a global effort, not just US-based. The Bill of Rights you point to only applies to the US. Second, even with that Bill of Rights, Congress (and other governments) seem to want to treat the internet as something different. I think it's important to speak out loudly and clearly about what internet freedom means.

     

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    Seegras (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 4:40am

    I just know what some politicians will say...

    This is just about so generic that every would-be censor, every internet-surveillance-perpetrator, every patent-fanboi can yell "Hell yeah" and still do the opposite.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 4:55am

    Re: Re: I got yer 'Declaration of Internet Freedom'

    "finally something jim and I disagree on"

    It's an internet miracle!

     

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    Danny, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 5:02am

    Not quite Right?

    Privacy: Protect privacy and defend everyone’s ability to control how their data and devices are used.

    I'm sure some corporations out there will interpret 'their' incorrectly. For example I bet they believe that you can't use one of 'their' devices that you've purchased unless it's used 'their' way.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 5:04am

    Re: Re: Re: I got yer 'Declaration of Internet Freedom'

    Well, Bob's already got the airing of grievances covered so now it's time for for the feats of strength...

     

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    Keii (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 5:06am

    This got me thinking that the internet is evolving into its own country.
    And THAT got me thinking of why the MPAA/RIAA and other "AA"s are so angry at Google. They can't comprehend that such a big and successful thing has no gatekeeper for them to bribe.
    But Google is right there, giving you everything you need! Surely they must be the gatekeepers of the internet! But they don't play fair (accept bribes) so that makes the AAs upset. So they seem to be doing everything in their power to declare war against the internet.
    Perhaps it's time for the internet to declare itself a sovereignty? (not sure if that's the correct usage/word)

     

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    The Infamous Joe (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 5:07am

    Re: Re: Education

    No, absolutely nothing like that.

    //I'll shut up now.

     

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    Blatant Coward (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 5:12am

    I don't think you get it.

    The purpose of signing is to show your support and approval as a person.

    If privacy is your main concern, yet you want to show approval, take one of your hands (either will do) make a fist, and extend your thumb upwards. When you feel your opinion matches your shown enthusiasm, then allow your hand to relax to do whatever you normally do with it.

    An audible statement such as 'Good deal' or 'That's fine by me.' is an excellent way to amplify your expression of approval. For extra privacy your audible statement should of course be coded, such as 'The blue chair is by the door.' or "ˇAtención!".

     

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    E. Zachary Knight (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 5:14am

    Re:

    I think it could come from a variety of sources. For one, we can stop paying out the funds from the Universal Service Fund to companies that are unwilling to service rural areas like they are supposed to. Take that money and actually fund a rural broadband company or preferably more.

    Or we could end the monopoly privileges of current ISPs and work toward brig real choice to places like my home city that has one DSL provider and nothing else.

    That is a start.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 5:18am

    Re:

    to Keii

    why do you think that Congress, at least certain members of it, are constantly condemning Google? i obviously dont know, but i doubt if there is too much in the way of 'encouragement' from Google to politicians, unlike from the entertainment industries. but then consider that a good number of the execs are ex politicians, so what do you expect?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 5:23am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: I got yer 'Declaration of Internet Freedom'

    That's festivas, this is internet.

     

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    Richard (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 5:31am

    Re:

    What does this entitle? Will this universal access come about by having governments raise taxes or force companies to bring broadband into markets or areas that are not profitable for them?

    It is not right to promote one freedom (internet access) by taking away another (economic choice).


    You are wrong here. All social organisation removes some freedoms in order to preserve others. Without such tradeoffs there is no civilisation.

     

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    Dreddsnik, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 5:39am

    One speed for all.

    Yes, I know, Bandwidth isn't exactly 'speed' But that's how the Lay understand it. No one should be throttled in favor of another. I'm looking at the cable companies that are starting their own streaming services.

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 5:40am

    Re: Question

    If you have a blog enter that in the organization field. After all we are all citizen reporters now.

     

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    Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 5:42am

    they are more connected.... than at first glance

    ahhh...The difference between "not knowing who you are" and "not knowing what you do".
    Both require spying on you, but why would your identity be wanted for no reason, surely it is because of "knowledge of what you do" ?
    Sometimes the ID they want, could just be your age range, it could be your sex, it could be type of interests you have, it may be your location or even your full details.

    The two are highly related, that's why most sites are obliged to ONLY collect anonymous data of user habits, but they still end up with an ID of you, based on details that just happen to be, not personally identifiable on the surface.


    Excuse for not signing up or just too Lazy ?

    As for....OP not signing up, it can be rightly argued that giving your personal details out, is a privacy issue.
    BUT, who would give out their real info ?
    I just think it is laziness.... couldn't be bothered..
    guerrillamail for a temp email address.
    Make up a name, password etc...
    TOR when signing up

    Laziness, it has to be. He can still sign up and keep relative privacy and anonymity



    BTW... when I say anonymity, I do not mean ALL your personal details, ip / home address / bank account balance etc...
    Your personal details can be..... the types of fonts your browser uses, the sites you visit, the comments you post, your preferences in food etc..




    It is the level of privacy that states your level of anonymity

     

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    Mr. Oizo, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 5:54am

    What a list of hollow words

    Hello, this is a list of hollow words. No cooperation will ever be 'against' this. It will always be called differently. Hollywood doesn't censor things because it 'owns' them. The state doesn't violate your privacy because you can't prove it. etcetera.

    The 2 things that what would make this pamflet much more interesting are:

    a- we are against software patents (let's see how many of the big companies still sign it) because they are incompatible with an open internet
    b- we are against restrictions on computation.

    That would make the bill worthwhile, otherwise it is a waste of time.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:00am

    text versions

    Instead of putting text versions of graphics with in import text under the graphic the way you always do alt text (alt="[text without brackets]") into the images HTML tag that will people with text-to-speech software and text-only browser (or normal browser with images disable) and also by people hoovering or the image with their or looking at the images proprieties.

     

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    E. Steyns, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:01am

    Who is 'we' ?

    "don’t punish innovators for their users' actions." states the text above.

    Is this phrase aiming at attempts from several governments, to held companies like Google or Facebook accountable for content they're publishing on their platforms, and earning money with?

    Can someone make transparent who is 'we' in this text?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:04am

    It's nice that Techdirt wants to pledge to follow these principles, but Ghostery is still reporting about 10 trackers on this site. So much for privacy.

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:06am

    Re: Re: How to heard cats.

    In the past the entertainment industry and congress had a single entity or small group of corporations to deal with. It made it easy to make deals, put pressure, and keep things under their control.

    Now they have this amorphous mass of 2 billion people they can not even begin to understand or control. It lacks form, has limited to no organization, and congeals into the shape of a rabid dog when poked at or for no reason at all. Like may things that can not be understood or comprehended the content types and politicians try to ignore it and place blame else where. They rationalize that since Google is the portal to the internet, they must control what is happening online.

    They fail to realize they are dealing with the public at large. Which is why ever effort directed at a specific corporation like Google will fail, and all attempts at keeping the public at large out of the discussion will cause greater backlash.

     

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    Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:16am

    Education (but they have nothing to hide)

    I approve this !

    After putting your comment through my patented translation software
    I also read your comment as.....
    "please post a relevant video of Jacob Appelbaum (Tor)" amirite?


    So here I go again.....

    Linux.conf.au 2012 - Ballarat 2012
    Keynote Presentation - Jacob Appelbaum
    Runtime: 1hour 17minutes
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMN2360LM_U

     

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    Marcel de Jong (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:23am

    Re:

    Are you the same troll as this one?
    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120701/22394419546/announcing-declaration-internet-freedom. shtml#c86

    The things tracking you are the ads on the website. It's not Techdirt doing it by themselves, nor is that isolated to Techdirt.

    Do you ever use Google? You do know that it keeps track of your search history? So much for privacy there.

     

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    Paul, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:23am

    SOPA

    Yo NO quiero SOPA

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:24am

    so who in Congress is supporting this?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:24am

    Re:

    Well, I think what is meant by universal access is to be protected is the right to have internet access and thereby a refusal of three strikes and other chord-cutting schemes. Affordable is a lot harder to decipher.

     

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    Aka, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:31am

    Yes !

     

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    Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:44am

    You have a point: Expect a few misinformed "White Knights" to come your/our way.

    17 scripts from 13 third party trackers.

    It's a fact, not opinion, so no need for "white knighting".
    It can also be argued that these trackers add features.
    But they are uncontrollable by techdirt.

    You can make your own opinion with the facts at hand.
    Don't shoot the messenger of facts.
    It is a sign of willful ignorance.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:44am

    Why does this feel like it's nothing more than pissing in the wind?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:47am

    Re: Education

    Being anonymous is just one way to protect your privacy.
    They may be different but they can be used together.

     

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    Smoodle, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:47am

    Re: Re:

    According to the PDF keynote last month,

    Senator Ron Wyden
    and
    Congressman Darrell Issa

    They seemed quite sincere to me.

     

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    Smoodle (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:48am

    Re: Re:

    According to the PDF keynote last month,

    Senator Ron Wyden
    and
    Congressman Darrell Issa

    They seemed quite sincere to me.

     

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    Keii (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:48am

    Re: Re:

    This is sometimes annoying like if I go to search for "Hotels" and it auto-populates "Hot Nude Asian Girls"

     

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    Yoav, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:53am

    Hebrew translation

    To whom it may concern: here is Hebrew translation of the declaration

    http://yoavtranslationshebrewblog.blogspot.co.il/2012/07/blog-post_2.html

     

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    The Spork (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:55am

    Re: Re: Re: How to heard cats.

    I agree with parent. the MAFIAA expect everyone except themselves to pay for the enforcement of their copyrights. When the public lashes out because they try to pass SOPA-style laws, they *(MAFIAA) blame "Google" when in actuality, they should be blaming THEMSELVES.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:59am

    Re: Re:

    Techdirt and others have the option of having advertisers that don't track you.

     

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    Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:03am

    Re: Re:

    no need to react, a fact is a fact, not a troll.
    An act will suit your issue better.

    You are not defending techdirt. (your intentions are GOOD but misplaced)
    These are features you can opt out of.
    Let people make up their own mind on the issue, after they have the facts.

    The way you defend techdirt is...
    Show people how to opt out of these features if THEY CHOOSE.


    WE can't just dismiss or "rationalize away" facts, because they are uncomfortable.
    I wish we could, willful ignorance seems like a good disorder to acquire.

     

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    Haywood (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:03am

    Re: Re: Question

    Flying the flag of the insight community, I'm surprised it is behind a reregistration wall.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:03am

    Net Neutrality?

    One thing I can think of that this is missing is keeping the net neutral. I feel like that would be an important item to state in any internet freedom discussion.

     

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    John Perry Barlow by proxy, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:06am

    A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace

    the military wing...

     

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    Anonymous Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:11am

    Re: Re:

    Affordable is not that hard. Let the appropriate agencies know that competition is 15-25, not 1 or 3. And that means 15-25 Cable AND 15-25 DSL AND 15-25 Fiber, etc. Make the central boxes open to any provider and have them contribute to maintaining the the rest of the infrastructure as a public utility.

    One could argue my choice of 15-25 but I know that 1 or 3 does not work.

    This should apply to other areas as well, like mobile phones, Newspaper conglomerates, TV channel ownership, Radio channel ownership, etc.

     

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    arcan, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:17am

    Re: they are more connected.... than at first glance

    i just want to know how to sign up as an individual who only represents himself...

     

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    Richard (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:18am

    Re: Re: Tacking sites on TechDirt

    According to the collusion add-on for Chrome, these are the sites that seem to be tracking here:

    When you visit this site, the following sites are informed:

    googleapis.com
    google.com
    facebook.net
    flattr.com
    google-analytics.com
    reddit.com
    adtechus.com
    twitter.com
    wibiya.com
    reinvigorate.net
    scorecardresearch.com
    quantserve.com
    fac ebook.com
    gravatar.com
    feedburner.com
    fbcdn.net
    chartbeat.com
    amung.us

     

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    Richard (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:19am

    UK Postcode

    Trying to sign, but it's not accepting UK Postcodes on the EFF site, nor the others.

     

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    Marcel de Jong (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:19am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Good point, but still, I'm still a bit rattled by the Lowery troll. Perhaps a bit too paranoid.

     

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    Anonymous Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:21am

    Re: Not quite Right?

    Yes, we do need to clarify if a sale is a sale or the down payment (or even full payment) on a rental. The easiest way to do this, in my mind, is to end the EULA's. Anytime the seller retains rights after the sale there is a problem created. This is creating in their minds (the manufacturers or creators) the right to control after the fact of the sale. This I believe is wrong, wrong, wrong.

     

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    drew (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:21am

    Re: Re: Re: I got yer 'Declaration of Internet Freedom'

    * ahem *
    It's a miracle - on the internet (patent pending)

     

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    Xell0, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:24am

    yes

    yes˛

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:27am

    Re: Re:

    I use many add-ons to prevent tracking but, I really like Do Not Track -
    http://www.abine.com/dntdetail.php

     

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    Rob (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:29am

    Re: Net Neutrality?

    Yep, that was my first thought also.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:31am

    These lawmakers why cant they realize plenty of bad shit happens in the outside world as well. Gangs,drugs,firearms,prostitution, and a shitload more.

    We work pretty hard on trying to stop drugs,murder,rape,theft,and all that other fucked up stuff with no success at all.

     

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    The Spork (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:35am

    by the way

    if any of you had actually read the Declaration website, you would have noticed that you CAN sign it if you are an individual. look for the bold INDIVIDUAL instructions above the form

     

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    Gwiz (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:38am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Techdirt and others have the option of having advertisers that don't track you.


    And I have the option of running NoScript or Ad Blocker or whatever and opting out.

    If this was something done by Techdirt everywhere I surfed at anytime you might have some sort of point. Otherwise, not so much.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:41am

    Re:

    I have no idea how declaring the Internet a sovereign nation could/would work, but if that day ever comes, I'm changing my citizenship that same day.

    - (current U.S. citizen)

     

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    Cory Janssen (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:46am

    Access is the only one that I think is debatable. All the other principles can enshrined in law, but we don't really want the government being our ISP.

     

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    Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 8:14am

    Reaction can be a positive reflex;

    You are fine, shit.. it doesn't mean you are paranoid, rather, you're normal!

     

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    Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 8:20am

    How to cope being a pervert : )



    --------DO NOT PANiC------


    --------Clear History--------

    ---------Clear Cache---------

     

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    John, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 8:22am

    Why would expect Congress our our Government to allow for a Declaration of Internet Freedom when they are quickly taking away our freedoms by trampling the Constitution? Just my 2 cents.

     

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    Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 8:27am

    I don't see where they exist.

    Even a "referral ID" ad, will collect stats on the page where the user came from and track that user so as combat fraud, where a user keeps clicking the same links overe and over again to fake hits.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 8:29am

    You have my support but no government will agree with this. The NSA is already gobbling up all phone and data transmissions they can lay their fingers on while refusing to tell us what they take because telling us would violate our privacy.

     

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    E. Steyns | 10COM, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 8:33am

    Re: Hell yeah to what?

    Who is 'we'?
    What are 'we' demanding?
    Who are we demanding it from?
    Who is drawing the text?
    etc.

    The wordings 'Freedom Declaration' remind of famous and brave citizens' centered actions to gain (more) democratic rights.

    But what exactly is the above text?

     

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    Chargone (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 8:36am

    Re: Re: Re: Tacking sites on TechDirt

    let's see... gravatar's the user avatars, facebook, twitter, google, reddit, and probably a couple of others i'm missing are those 'share' widgits...

    facebook with a space? fac ebook? what?

    so those are ... reasonably reasonable.

    the rest? who knows...

     

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    Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 8:39am

    aka...an advanced lie

    If you lie, they will send the internet police after you.
    You may end up in prison for over 100 years.

    So... to be Legit !

    1) Setup a "shell organization".(a non profit unregistered organization)

    2) Create email account for your "shell organization"

    3) ?????

    4) Profit!

     

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    Chargone (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 8:41am

    Re: Re: Re:

    three's fine if you don't give them any particular protections and bring the hammer down on them if they start with the collusion and price fixing and such.

    provided that's three Small entities and you're talking per town/city, not per state/country. (and even then, i'd expect each and every one of those three to operate in other towns as well as that one, and have a Different set of competitors in those towns.)

    it's a matter of scale too, ya know?

     

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    Carl, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 8:42am

    Redundency does not an efficient worker make

    Isn't it a tad redundant to write an announcement for a declaration of internet freedom? A bit like ATM machine or its PIN number.

     

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    Chargone (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 8:45am

    Re: Re:

    ehhh... there's that pesky 'physical location' aspect that means you'd always be under someone else as Well, and they'd use a lack of citizen ship to make that all sorts of suck, a lot of the time.

    but then, this is what the idea of dual citizenship is for.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 8:51am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: I got yer 'Declaration of Internet Freedom'

    Prior art beioch

     

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    dataGuy, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 8:51am

    Re: Re:

    Thanks for the tip on Ghostery. I wasn't familiar with that product but I'm trying it out now....

     

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    Xygo, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 8:54am

    ''Openness: Keep the Internet an open network where everyone is free to connect, communicate, write, read, watch, speak, listen, learn, create and innovate.''

    What about sharing?! Everyone should be free to share. So that principle should read ''... , innovate and share.''

     

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    weneedhelp (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 9:11am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I got yer 'Declaration of Internet Freedom'

    A Festivas for the rest of us.

     

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    Nick Dynice (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 9:12am

    Re:

    It is a public declaration. An anonymous declaration is meaningless. If you do not wish to publicly declare your support of privacy then you don't believe that strongly anyway. By publicly declaring you support privacy does not mean you give up privacy in other forums. But you are probably just one of the regular AC troll anyway.

    "I publicly declare a right to privacy!" said the AC. No, your doing it wrong.

     

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    lucidrenegade (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 9:16am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: I got yer 'Declaration of Internet Freedom'

    How about "feats of stupidity" instead? Bob wins that one too.

     

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    Nick Dynice (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 9:18am

    Re: Question

    Go back and read this part:


    SIGN THE DECLARATION

    Individuals: Go to the action pages at Access, CREDO, EFF and Free Press to add your name.

     

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    weneedhelp (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 9:37am

    Re: Re: Ghostery

    Thanks also.

     

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    SailingCyclops (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 9:39am

    Re: Tracking

    Governments are incapable and corporations are unwilling to provide any online privacy. So, you have to take personal responsibility for your own privacy. Like most everything else in life if you want it done right do it yourself!

    Do Not Track Plus Blocking tracking @ techdirt.com

    5 companies tracking you:
    5 blocked
    Google Analytics
    Wiblya
    Comscore Beacon
    Quantcast
    ChartBeat

    1 ad network tracking you:
    1 blocked
    Quantcast


    Tracking blockers, Judicious cookie controls, plus the use of an off-shore VPN, keeps my systems PRIVATE. I see little hope for any regulations or "declarations" replacing what each of us can do for ourselves. In today's climate of rapacious capitalism, where money sets the paradigm and writes the laws, looking to corporations or to governments is simply a waste of time, and will only lull you into a false sense of security.

    If you don't like to be tracked, don't allow it!

     

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    S, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 10:00am

    This is moronic

    The Declaration of Independence meant something because the US was willing to go to war over it -- but you and I and everyone else know that these posturing little personages will roll over and lift one leg like the mangy dogs they are, before they'd ever actually stand up for what they supposedly believe in.

     

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    Brett Glass, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 10:06am

    How about actual freedom for the Internet, rather than entitlements for freeloaders?

    This entire discussion forgets what the Internet is. It's a loose federation of independently owned and operated local networks that agree to exchange data with one another. From the beginning, the owner or operator each network that participates in this exchange has had the right to choose what traffic it exchanged, what kind of traffic it exchanged, and the policies that governed its own internal network.

    Now, large corporations such as Google -- which have benefited from the Internet -- are seeking to wrest control of those independent networks (which are the operators' property) from them, out of sheer corporate greed. Yes, they really DO want to use the pipes for free... and to take control of the private property of the network owners who built the Net. They're masking this agenda with a claim of "civil rights" with regard to the Net, which is specious; it's private property. Consumers will benefit if they stop supporting this corporate crusade by large, unethical companies and instead support the people who are building out the Net.

     

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    Richard (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 10:12am

    Re:

    What does this entitle? Will this universal access come about by having governments raise taxes or force companies to bring broadband into markets or areas that are not profitable for them?

    Roads are provided at public expense - so it seems reasonable that wherever roads are provided so should broadband be. Broadband is probably cheaper!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 10:56am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Off topic fun project:

    1)Go to google
    2)turn off safe search
    3) Search: Americans
    4) Search: Europeans
    5) Search: Australians
    6) Search: Africans
    7) Search: Asians

    Step 7 = NSFW

     

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    Adam Thierer, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 11:07am

    how about enforcing the real deals first

    Please, no more "Declarations" and "Bill of Rights" proposals until we start honoring the originals. More on that here:

    http://techliberation.com/2012/07/02/the-problem-with-the-declaration-of-internet-freedom-t he-digital-bill-of-rights

     

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    kp, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 11:11am

    Re: I got yer 'Declaration of Internet Freedom'

    This kind of applies to people outside of the US aswell. We don't live by your Bill of rights.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 11:18am

    Internet Freedom Bill

    First, get the US Congress to pass a bill(s) ENSURING the items above.

    Second, move to a world stage.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 11:37am

    Re: How about actual freedom for the Internet, rather than entitlements for freeloaders?

    Please point us to a discussion on google taking over the foundation of the internet, as this is the first im hearing about this?

     

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    maclypse (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 12:04pm

    Bit disturbing that the EFF seem to think of the Internet as an exclusively American network.

    Thankfully the other sites realise that most of humanity is actually living on the other side of the US borders, and offer ways for everyone to sign up, as opposed to just the American minority.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 12:10pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    I shouldn't have to do anything.But I do.
    My point is that it shows a disregard for the privacy of it's users.
    If I walk into Target I don't have to provide them with information about where I have been...If I go to target.com,they want to track me and if I have that disabled on my browser I can't go to their website,so I go to the competitors.
    Of course you will say that I have a choice and therefore it's OK to not respect my privacy.

    Mike is all about reaching out and connecting with his readers and looking for alternate revenue streams.Well?

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 12:23pm

    Re: how about enforcing the real deals first

    Please, no more "Declarations" and "Bill of Rights" proposals until we start honoring the originals. More on that here:

    I disagree, strongly, with this. First, the "originals" are US only and our existing Congress doesn't seem to think it applies to the internet.

    There's a reason to get behind this internet-focused one, because it actually RESPECTS the original Declaration and Bill of Rights by showing how such things should and need to apply online as well.

     

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    John Q Public, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 12:59pm

    Wow - just wow

    Expression:
    What has censorship got to do with expression?
    No one anywhere in the US is stifling peoples ability to express ones-self in a manner that is respectful of others.
    However, you want to express your bomb making talents? I sure as hell *DO* want you to be censored over that!

    Access:
    As long as private companies bought and paid for the lines that run the internet, access is entirely up to them.

    Openness?
    I want a Ferrari too. Then my mom told me wake up and grow up.

    Innovation:
    You'd have a hard time finding a more stupid sentence that meant absolutely nothing.

    Privacy:
    It's dead dip shit. It died when you put your entire f'ing life on Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, Instagram...etal.

    This list and this post is a major step backwards for anyone wanting to take change seriously.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 1:15pm

    Re: Wow - just wow

    I agree.
    And if I had the money I would not only by myself a Ferrari
    but a Snazzy Senator would be parked in my garage along with a couple a Cute little Mini Congressmen in the driveway for my kids.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 1:28pm

    Re:

    A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace

    by John Perry Barlow barlow@eff.org

    Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather.

    We have no elected government, nor are we likely to have one, so I address you with no greater authority than that with which liberty itself always speaks. I declare the global social space we are building to be naturally independent of the tyrannies you seek to impose on us. You have no moral right to rule us nor do you possess any methods of enforcement we have true reason to fear.

    Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. You have neither solicited nor received ours. We did not invite you. You do not know us, nor do you know our world. Cyberspace does not lie within your borders. Do not think that you can build it, as though it were a public construction project. You cannot. It is an act of nature and it grows itself through our collective actions.

    You have not engaged in our great and gathering conversation, nor did you create the wealth of our marketplaces. You do not know our culture, our ethics, or the unwritten codes that already provide our society more order than could be obtained by any of your impositions.

    You claim there are problems among us that you need to solve. You use this claim as an excuse to invade our precincts. Many of these problems don't exist. Where there are real conflicts, where there are wrongs, we will identify them and address them by our means. We are forming our own Social Contract . This governance will arise according to the conditions of our world, not yours. Our world is different.

    Cyberspace consists of transactions, relationships, and thought itself, arrayed like a standing wave in the web of our communications. Ours is a world that is both everywhere and nowhere, but it is not where bodies live.

    We are creating a world that all may enter without privilege or prejudice accorded by race, economic power, military force, or station of birth.

    We are creating a world where anyone, anywhere may express his or her beliefs, no matter how singular, without fear of being coerced into silence or conformity.

    Your legal concepts of property, expression, identity, movement, and context do not apply to us. They are all based on matter, and there is no matter here.

    Our identities have no bodies, so, unlike you, we cannot obtain order by physical coercion. We believe that from ethics, enlightened self-interest, and the commonweal, our governance will emerge . Our identities may be distributed across many of your jurisdictions. The only law that all our constituent cultures would generally recognize is the Golden Rule. We hope we will be able to build our particular solutions on that basis. But we cannot accept the solutions you are attempting to impose.

    In the United States, you have today created a law, the Telecommunications Reform Act, which repudiates your own Constitution and insults the dreams of Jefferson, Washington, Mill, Madison, DeToqueville, and Brandeis. These dreams must now be born anew in us.

    You are terrified of your own children, since they are natives in a world where you will always be immigrants. Because you fear them, you entrust your bureaucracies with the parental responsibilities you are too cowardly to confront yourselves. In our world, all the sentiments and expressions of humanity, from the debasing to the angelic, are parts of a seamless whole, the global conversation of bits. We cannot separate the air that chokes from the air upon which wings beat.

    In China, Germany, France, Russia, Singapore, Italy and the United States, you are trying to ward off the virus of liberty by erecting guard posts at the frontiers of Cyberspace. These may keep out the contagion for a small time, but they will not work in a world that will soon be blanketed in bit-bearing media.

    Your increasingly obsolete information industries would perpetuate themselves by proposing laws, in America and elsewhere, that claim to own speech itself throughout the world. These laws would declare ideas to be another industrial product, no more noble than pig iron. In our world, whatever the human mind may create can be reproduced and distributed infinitely at no cost. The global conveyance of thought no longer requires your factories to accomplish.

    These increasingly hostile and colonial measures place us in the same position as those previous lovers of freedom and self-determination who had to reject the authorities of distant, uninformed powers. We must declare our virtual selves immune to your sovereignty, even as we continue to consent to your rule over our bodies. We will spread ourselves across the Planet so that no one can arrest our thoughts.

    We will create a civilization of the Mind in Cyberspace. May it be more humane and fair than the world your governments have made before.

    Davos, Switzerland

    February 8, 1996

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 1:38pm

    Re: Re: Re: Tacking sites on TechDirt

    Look at all that Google spying.

    What a shocker.

    Not.

     

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    maclypse (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 1:41pm

    Re: How about actual freedom for the Internet, rather than entitlements for freeloaders?

    "Now, large corporations such as Google -- which have benefited from the Internet -- are seeking to wrest control of those independent networks (which are the operators' property) from them, out of sheer corporate greed. Yes, they really DO want to use the pipes for free... and to take control of the private property of the network owners who built the Net.

    Horsemanure.

    This has been said over and over, last time I saw it, it was the telecom companies that wanted google, facebook, etc to pay a fricking "tax" for using "their" precious bandwidth for "free".

    Only they forgot one thing: "their" pipes are paid for by the customers. We customers pay for maintenance. We customers pay for upgrades. The bandwidth is paid for!

    Google do not generate data and broadcast it to customers. Customers ASK GOOGLE for data. We are using the bandwidth we bought and paid for, and we have a right to use it any way we damn well please. I'm using Google because they give me what I want, when I want it, at a price that's right. That doesn't make Google the bad guys; it makes them good at their fucking job.

     

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    Karl (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 1:43pm

    Re: Re: Re: Tacking sites on TechDirt

    When you visit this site, the following sites are informed:

    FYI, all of these things are necessary for the Wibiya Toolbar to work properly.

     

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    maclypse (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 1:47pm

    Re: Re:

    ...which all sounds very nice, but that doesn't change the fact that EFF refuses to let anyone sign that doesn't have a US zip code, which currently means less than 4.5% of the human race.

     

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    Anonymous Howard, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 2:08pm

    Re: Wow - just wow

    Expression:
    Define "respectful of others". Mike might feel your calling him a dip shit is disrespectful, so is that grounds to censor him? No, it's protected speech made possible by the First Amendment, part of the document Mike said this declaration is attempting to bring in line with the Internet.

    Access/Openness: No comment; not to be taken for tacit approval.

    Innovation:
    Since you have no specific complaint with this point, perhaps you don't understand it's alluding to the DMCA, secondary liability, and copyrights in general. What exactly is your complaint with this?

    Privacy:
    I'll half-agree with you here; this is the reason I don't register for these platforms, use a pseudonym, etc. However, what's your opinion on the right to be forgotten?

    As it stands, I do believe the list is toothless, vague, and hopelessly idealistic. Granted, the presentation of the list as such is perhaps necessary to make a 'catchy' graphic, but it feels lacking.

    It's important, however, to refrain from discounting the message for the vessel. We should all want an Internet where the rights of the users, the content providers, and the service providers are respected. We should want the laws that apply to Internet usage to be written with the medium in mind, and to be written with consideration for the aforementioned rights. If a discussion would help clarify and specify these points, and lead to action, then let's have it.

     

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    Hamish, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 2:19pm

    Capitalisation

    Please spell Internet with a capital "I". The declaration refers to _the_ Internet, not an internet (a generic interconnected network of networks).

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 2:45pm

    Re: I got yer 'Declaration of Internet Freedom'

    Yep, it'll work every bit as well as the U.S. constitution has.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 2:47pm

    Re: Re: I got yer 'Declaration of Internet Freedom'

    The U.S. doesn't live by its bill of rights either.

     

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    Anonymous, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 3:37pm

    There should also be a clear and resolute statement that guarantees the right to Anonymity.

     

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    Joe, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 3:56pm

    My guess is Google and Facebook do not support this because of the privacy clause.

     

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    Jim Harper (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 5:10pm

    Re: Re: I got yer 'Declaration of Internet Freedom'

    Don't get too excited, folks. The Jim-Mike Schism is very likely to end if and when the actual meanings of the things said in this declaration translate to actual policy proposals.

    It's question-begging to say of the declaration that it's important to speak out about what Internet freedom means. People know no more about what Internet freedom means after reading this document than before.

    I view it as an attempt to reset who the authorities on Internet freedom are, from folks like the Framers of the U.S. Constitution, who produced a special and timeless plan for freedom in the U.S. (and worldwide, if others will have it) to a group of today's popular activists and thinkers. No, thanks!

    I really like what is in the founding charter of the U.S., even though I'm deeply dissatisfied with (and working daily on) its implementation in certain areas, such as its translation so far into the modern communications environment.

    In the meantime, I've enjoyed this very special airing of grievances!

     

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    JustSomeGUy, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:24pm

    Spreading the word...

    Hey, someone (not me, because I would have no idea where to start) should get CERN aboard on this issue. Seriously, that would turn A LOT of heads of people that have the power to really put a stop to this bull stuff. Best of luck though!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:38pm

    empty false hollow words


    Expression: Don't censor the Internet.

    So you support pedophiles, snuff films, rape movies, live murders and any other thing that is illegal????




    Access: Promote universal access to fast and affordable networks.


    Oh yeah, this is priority, fuck clean water, clean air, health care, safe food, who needs that shit, I need high speed internet to watch porn faster.....are you really this stupid??



    Openness: Keep the Internet an open network where everyone is free to connect, communicate, write, read, watch, speak, listen, learn, create and innovate.

    Yes, fuck countries sovereign right to rule their own countries and make the laws for themselves, they all have to abide by the internet rules.....



    Innovation: Protect the freedom to innovate and create without permission. Don’t block new technologies, and don’t punish innovators for their users' actions.

    yes, no one has ANY rights to ANYTHING they create, I am not responsible for all the pedophiles here at findatenyearoldchild.xxx I am not to blame for telling them where your child is, or the prostitutes or illegal drugs, hey I am not to blame for being the one place to get the directions from, take responsibilities for your actions, if I tell you where the illegal item is to be found or bought, I should also have some blame in it




    Privacy: Protect privacy and defend everyone’s ability to control how their data and devices are used.


    this goes against the other internet "rights" you want, expression and openness, how can you do this?? if I have the right to control whatever I put on the internet??? proving your a fucking moron

     

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    STStone, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 6:56pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Tacking sites on TechDirt

    Then we should keep blocking them? Because I can't think of a single website that the Wibiya Toolbar (or any other similar service) has improved.

     

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    Evan Martin, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 7:06pm

    I don't think the "declaration" should include commands (or requests) to some authority (don't do this, keep that, protect this...etc), rather it should be a statement of what we agree to be true, necessary, logical and ethical. The premises seem to be on right track but the phrasing definitely fixing in that regard.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 8:36pm

    I got it just fine.

    "If privacy is your main concern, yet you want to show approval, take one of your hands (either will do) make a fist, and extend your thumb upwards."

    Or alternatively, I could go to the comments page on Techdirt and write exactly what I wrote. Of the two, which do you suppose would be more effective communication?

     

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    Mike Martinet (profile), Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 8:51pm

    Digital Sanity Act

    I came up with this a few months ago, which I believe is relevant.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 9:05pm

    I would say that this is perhaps the most telling example of the freetardian mentality at work.

    They try to disguise their desires by hiding them behind the duck blind of free speech and internet freedom, but at the end of the day, most of them rally for the free content.

    Internet freedom is the friendly face, the you can't argue with it point similar to "think about the kids", but in the end, most aren't worried about internet freedom, just a free lunch.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 10:22pm

    Re: How about actual freedom for the Internet, rather than entitlements for freeloaders?

    Shouldn't you be somewhere crying for SOPA, Brett?

     

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    Mary, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 10:45pm

    Privacy

    Before a company or website uses our "cookies" or whatever they're called, we should be notified. It should be openly displayed NOT IN THE TERMS OF SERVICE and you should be able to opt out before you automatically opt in unknowingly.

     

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    Its just me, Jul 2nd, 2012 @ 11:40pm

    What is the different from UN's version?

    I've just read this one above. The question is, what is the different from this: JOINT DECLARATION ON FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND THE INTERNET http://www.oas.org/en/iachr/expression/showarticle.asp?artID=848&lID=1

     

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    Grouppz, Jul 3rd, 2012 @ 1:34am

    Finally!

    Agree with no. 126.

     

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    skull, Jul 3rd, 2012 @ 5:03am

    I agree =)

     

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    Gjh33, Jul 3rd, 2012 @ 11:04am

    Maybe a little too strong

    Basically, this bill sounds alot like "let me pirate what I want." I think what it should be re worded such that things remain the same. The internet right now is fine. Some people get caught for pirating but the majority don't. This way, hollywood has something to threaten with and thus they will still make money. Basically, I'm sayinf this bill is a bit extreme. Also, to soecify the internet section: "ISPs cannot slow down or inhibit internet use based on the amount the customer pays. Internet must be one set price, no limitations, no data caps."

     

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    Gjh33, Jul 3rd, 2012 @ 11:08am

    Maybe a little too strong

    Basically, this bill sounds alot like "let me pirate what I want." I think what it should be re worded such that things remain the same. The internet right now is fine. Some people get caught for pirating but the majority don't. This way, hollywood has something to threaten with and thus they will still make money. Basically, I'm sayinf this bill is a bit extreme. Also, to soecify the internet section: "ISPs cannot slow down or inhibit internet use based on the amount the customer pays. Internet must be one set price, no limitations, no data caps."

     

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    Grizwald Grim, Jul 4th, 2012 @ 10:52am

    Hypocrites

    *WE SUPPORT A FREE AND OPEN INTERNET*
    ...with affordable access.

    then let's support a FREE & FREE & OPEN internet....

     

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    Pierre Courchesne, Jul 4th, 2012 @ 6:42pm

    Good initiative!

     

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    A Guy (profile), Jul 5th, 2012 @ 7:59pm

    Looks good in principle. Let's see what the lobbyists twist it into if/when it is ever acted upon.

     

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    http://www.gapsecuritydirect.co.uk/, Jul 10th, 2012 @ 3:53am

    The principles, discuss them, add your own ideas... whatever you'd like. You can, of course, also discuss them below in the comments. There are a number of other organizations setting up pages as well.

     

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    Oliver N, Jul 25th, 2012 @ 8:31am

    I don't sensor the internet but I sensor ideas that promote violence and diminish moral virtues. I believe we still need to prosecute terrorism, child pornography, etc on an open internet.

     

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    Counces (profile), Sep 15th, 2012 @ 4:32pm

    Re:

    Totally agree with Oliver, there are several things that absolutely need moderation and prosecute.

     

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    shauntel brooks, Sep 20th, 2012 @ 1:51pm

    I have been saved from death& life is disadvantaging

    I have been saved by our Lord. Ism disgusted with being taken advantage of. Just got to share my experience. I hope to help someone

     

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    shauntel brooks, Sep 20th, 2012 @ 1:54pm

    I survived a 27 day coma

    I want to get help and help others

     

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