Sen. Joe Lieberman Asks Google For A 'Report Blog As Terrorist' Button

from the clicking-our-way-to-a-safe-and-secure-nation dept

Senator Joe Lieberman, taking a break from his usual schedule of trying to stamp out all things Wikileaks-related, returns to his old anti-terrorism stomping grounds, sending out a letter to Google CEO Larry Page, expressing his concern that not enough stuff is getting labeled "terrorism."

He bases his request on the old "because someone did something once" argument that has served the DHS and TSA so well. (See also: "See something. Say something." because that one time a guy reported a vehicle with a bomb. See also: please remove your shoes and step into the Pornoscan because one time that guy tried to light his shoes on fire and that other time a guy had bomb-laced underwear.) Recent "lone wolf" terrorism suspect Jose Pimentel was, like so many other people in the world, a blogger. Lieberman apparently believes that the prevention of future acts of terrorism should be turned over to the blogosphere in the form of an option to "flag" a blog as containing "terrorist" content.

Talking Points Memo has more info:
"Pimentel's Internet activity - both his spreading of bomb-making instructions links and his hate-filled writings - were hosted by Google," Lieberman wrote.

"On his site www.trueislam1.com, Pimentel stated, 'People have to understand that America and its allies are legitimate targets in warfare. This includes facilities such as army bases, police stations, political facilities, embassies, CIA and FBI buildings, private and public airports, and all kinds of buildings where money is being made to help fund the war.' As demonstrated by this recent case, Google's webhosting site, Blogger is being used by violent Islamist extremists to broadcast terrorist content," Lieberman continued.
Lieberman also points out that Youtube already has this option (thanks to Liberman's tireless complaining), so it would logically follow that Blogger enforce the same limitations. In fact, he pretty much states that the same people that can prevent forest fires can also prevent terrorism (i.e. "You," meaning "all of us"), only in this case it can be done with a simple click of the mouse.
"The private sector plays an important role in protecting our homeland from the preeminent threat of violent Islamist extremism, and Google's inconsistent standards are adversely affecting our ability to counter Islamic extremism online."
Oh, wait. We can't actually stop terrorism. We can only flag "Islamist extremism," which for some people could mean the site quotes the Koran. For others, all it might take is a few angry words delivered by certain foreign types. And for others, all they need is the urge to start pushing buttons.

This is another attempt by a politician to shove the culpability for terrorist acts onto the shoulders of hosting platforms. By all means, Google could add a "Report as TERROR" button to its blogging platform, but does anyone not named Lieberman actually believe that this will ever prevent a future act of terrorism? I'd rather potential terrorists bogged themselves down in the minutia of blogging (endlessly checking stats, rescuing legitimate comments from the spam container, arguing with pesky commenters, following incoming links back into malware deathtraps, gaming their Technorati rating, etc.) than actually, you know, doing terrorist stuff.

There's also the fact that "flagging something as something" has got to be the most ineffective deterrent ever devised, whether you're trying to stomp out spam or to do something more difficult, like save the world from "Islamist extremism." Not only will whoever's policing this new banhammer have to deal with a new set of false positives, this also puts Google in the awkward position of trying to decide if the blogs reported are actually harmful or just some random person spouting a bunch of untargeted nonsense.

And if Google does decide to start doing this, odds are that there will be a bunch of racially-motivated clicking going on, which will only add to the "noise" side of the signal-to-noise ratio. Once you start shutting down a particular religion based on clicks -- all because the federal government demanded it -- you're asking for all sorts of trouble in the First Amendment arena. Uglier than this is the fact that asking for a "Report" button is yet another punt by those in charge of keeping this country safe. The implicit statement seems to be "We can't figure out how to stop terrorists so we're leaving that to you," which would make this no different from every previous foiled terrorist attack. It's not the DHS, TSA or air marshals that stop terrorists. When they're not being foiled by their own incompetence, they're being taken down by fellow passengers. A plea for a "Report as Terrorism" button has all the hallmarks of another windmill tilt in the hopes of appearing to be doing "something."


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    abc gum, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 8:47am

    I think there should be a "report politician as terrorist" button.

    And just what does he mean when he says: 'People have to understand that America and its allies are legitimate targets in warfare.'

     

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    ScytheNoire, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 8:55am

    I want a 'Report Senator As Idiot' button.

     

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    Trails (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 8:58am

    More than First Amendment

    "Once you start shutting down a particular religion based on clicks -- all because the federal government demanded it -- you're asking for all sorts of trouble in the First Amendment arena."
    What's more, false shutdowns will create a divide, make people of a certain religion/group feel [more] marginalized and drive them towards radicalization.

    Further, this guy was caught, so what are we trying to prevent here?

     

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    out_of_the_blue, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 8:59am

    Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    yet you don't seem too het up about it, just maunder that won't be effective.

    Google is supposedly a private corporation. Therefore aren't any First Amendment problems with its "voluntary" censorship. That's the end run around the Constitution that corporatism allows.

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:00am

    Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    Why are you spending $100 million on a movie?

     

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    John Doe, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:05am

    Google already provides a tool for that

    Google already provides a tool for finding terrorist blogs, it's called Google. Maybe Lieberman should trying using it sometime.

     

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    Trails (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:09am

    Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    Um, you should try reading the article first, peaches.

     

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    Designerfx (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:09am

    can we report the white house?

    We've been bringing terrorist actions onto other countries pretty much every war after WW2. So can we report the whitehouse blog?

     

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    weneedhelp (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:10am

    Re:

    I want an:
    Edit> Replace> Replace all

     

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    The Groove Tiger (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:10am

    Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    Seems to me you've been "maundering" some "het" yourself, if you catch my drift. *nudge nudge*

     

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    Joe Publius (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:11am

    Please click on this button if the language of this post makes you feel scared.

    That's pretty much the gist, right? I have two points:

    1. It's useless because you can't really determine the clicker's intent for clicking on the button. For all we know the reporter is a troll or bigot.
    2. It's redundant because if the site/post is really of concern, you can just call the cops. It's smarter IMO to truly know who's reporting, and their reason for doing so.

     

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    weneedhelp (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:12am

    Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    Rikuo appears to be responding to all of OOTB's comments with that.

     

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    out_of_the_blue, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:14am

    Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    @Rikuo (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:00am

    Why are you spending $100 million on a movie?
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    Oh, I getcha now. Gave you benefit of doubt before, but you've come up with a little fanboy mantra that you think witty and cutting.

     

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    jupiterkansas (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:18am

    Christ, what an asshole.

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:19am

    Re: Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    No its not a fanboy mantra. Its an actual question that I want answered. Pretty much every comment you posted in the SOPA articles is about "But but how can I make back the $100 million I spent on making a movie!"
    This seems to be the core of your belief. That you want a guaranteed return on a huge amount of money, that quite frankly, doesn't need to be spent. There have been plenty of successful movies that had much lower budgets. Every time Mike et al do come up with a new business model, you shout it down because it doesn't guarantee tens of millions of dollars for everyone who'll try it.
    I want to know WHY you must spend $100 million. WHY you don't want to try lowering your costs. I want a well thought out and logical answer.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:19am

    Ok, lets start a countdown to how long it would take if google added this feature for someone to report DHS blogs as terrorism. Oh, and any politician who runs for public office and starts their own website! After all, the damage my political opponent wants to do to the economy amounts to economic terrorism simply because I disagree with them!

     

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    out_of_the_blue, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:19am

    Re: Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    @weneedhelp (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:12am

    Rikuo appears to be responding to all of OOTB's comments with that.
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    That's because "Rikuo" doesn't have any substance, so thinks to nag me. It's all he can manage, so applaud his "special" talent.

    Look, guys, just contradicting me manifestly isn't effective. IF you have some view, THEN STATE IT.

     

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    fogbugzd (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:23am

    Page o' Buttons concept

    If we are going to have a "report terrorism" button then we should probably have a "report child abuse" button and one for "report tax evasion" and "report piracy" and "report pornography" and "report issue du jour." Eventually Google will have to list one entry per page with the rest of the page devoted to various report buttons that seemed important to one or another politician.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:24am

    This one time, on the Sims2 website forums, they used to have these post ratings buttons, Beneficial and, um, Not so beneficial? And, because people started using the Not so beneficial buttons to harass people, they had to, like, take away the Not so beneficial button? Because it got all abusive and subjective and pointless and not so beneficial and such?

    So, like, when does Lieberman retire already?

     

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    Silver Fang (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:26am

    Muzzling the Net

    Copyright, kiddie porn and terrorism are the three excuses politicians use to crack down on online freedoms. It isn't about any of those things really. It's about control.

     

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    abc gum, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:28am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    "I want a well thought out and logical answer."

    Good luck with that.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:29am

    Re:

    Probably not this, but based on the number of police in riot gear that have assaulted non-violent protesters lately, I wouldn't put it past him.

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:30am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    "It's all he can manage, so applaud his "special" talent."

    If it's all I can do...then why is it that I only started doing this recently? Seriously, click my profile name and you'll get a whole history of my comments here, 90% of which aren't about the whole 100 mil schtick I've got going on.
    Once you're able to explain your position and give a decent answer to my question, I'll be satisfied.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:32am

    If I was in charge of Google, I'd add a button to flag a blog as containing "Lieberman content". He'd either make the "oh yeah, what if MY speech was being censored?" connection, or (more likely) we'd get hilarious fallout. Win/win.

     

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:32am

    So rather than have DHS and all those machines reading the wiretaps of everything inside the US find this blog, we need Google to add a button.
    We need Google to scan YouTube for copyrighted material.
    We need Google to pay for ads pointing out US drug costs are dumb.
    We need Google to pay because I heard a Prince song in the background of a baby dancing.
    We need Google to turn over all of their money because we shouldn't have to compete in the market.

    Maybe instead of making Google responsible for America's safety and security maybe the Senator could ask why is it all the terrorist plots that come to light are all shepherded along by FBI agents and informants?
    That with the billions being spent to keep us safe the entire safety of the country rests on Google adding a button.
    Or maybe it is time to admit that Congress doesn't understand the internet, is terrified by it, but seeks to exert some sort of control to feel empowered... only to end up looking like a bigger old fool.

     

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    Marian G, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:34am

    Re: Joe Publius

    I agree as well... who's to say that people don't retaliate and start clicking on this button on sites about cute kittens or pro-Christian religion websites.
    Lieberman is a political terrorist.
    The war on terrorism is terrorism.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:37am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    Creepy stalker much/

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:38am

    So Cushing, now you're a terrorism apologist?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:44am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    And when people have a different view and STATE IT, you respond with "but how will I make back my $100 million, that's why this won't work blah blah blah no guarantee blah blah blah".

    So perhaps instead of us telling you how you can do things? How about for once, you tell us why you are dead set on that $100 million?

    All you have to do is answer the question and people (or Rikuo, and good for him for nagging you about it, the same way you do Mike) will drop the issue?

    But when you routinely respond to things Mike writes with "I want a guarantee that I recoup my $100 mil investment", well... you open yourself up to getting questioned and nagged about that figure. You brought it on yourself. Now either drop the issue entirely (as in never mention that figure again) or simply answer the question. It's not that hard to do. B*tching about it takes more effort than actually saying "I refuse to answer, I won't bring it up EVER again" or "I say $100 mil for Reasons A, B, C and E, but not D because I don't like D".

    Kapeesh?

     

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    Jay (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:46am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    Link

    Here's where Rikuo started. You have yet to explain why you're spending $100 million on a movie.

    You sound like a Viacom employee at this point.

     

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    Bob, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:47am

    not trying to be a contrarian, but I believe Lieberman is advocating harnessing the power of crowdsourcing, which works very well in some contexts. But of course you know that, since you have buttons to help classify "funny" or "insightful" comments on this site.

     

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    Trails (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:55am

    Re: Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    indeed, I replied to OOTB, not rikuo.

     

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:55am

    Re:

    Hurm it appears some of the GM Turkeys survived Thanksgiving.

     

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    Trails (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:56am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    That's hilarious, coming from you. All you do is contradict Mike, often with blatant falsehoods or ridiculously over the top strawmen.

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 9:59am

    Re:

    Umm...didn't you get what this article is about? How a "report as terrorism" button will not work, because the very concept is flawed?
    If I click funny or insightful, that means that the comment I read made me laugh or I think its a good read, that it had some thought behind it. What will it mean if I click "Terrorist!!!111!!!" Does it mean I actually think that the author of the comment is a terrorist? Do I have proof that they are planning a terrorist act? Or will I merely be over-reacting because I got scared? Will others click "Terrorist" for reasons that have nothing to do with terrorism, maybe because they are biased against the author for whatever reason?

     

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    gorehound (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 10:18am

    This guy is spewing forth some real garbage.And when this Government passes that damn SOPA/PIPA this Country will be a lot closer to China than we would ever want to be.People like Lieberman will love that.
    Why not close the whole Internet down ?
    Why not add little buttons for every vice imaginable ?
    Why not add a "whitehouse.gov" as our Government no longer serves the needs of its people.

     

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    RevCharlie (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 10:37am

    How out of touch?

    How completely out of touch, are these people in DC? They are completely out of touch. This article proves it. It is if they are from another planet, and they are. They are so rich and so completely isolated by their politics, ethics, money, and morals that their world does not resemble ours. They see things that we don’t see and know things not worth our knowing. Yet we expect these extraterrestrials to comprehend our lives in the working world. They have no clue and don’t want one. Even if they did, they couldn’t find one with a flashlight and butterfly net.

    Almost every utterance from these visitors is nonsensical and irrational to our ears, but makes perfect sense to them. They walk a different walk and dance to a different tune. We have very unrealistic expectation for these visitors from another world.

    Sit back and laugh at this foolishness and realize that if they want it, you cannot stop them. Nothing you can change their directions and decisions. If it fits their agenda or program or direction… they get what they want. You and I cannot stop them. So… get some popcorn and a beer and enjoy the show.

     

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    bjupton (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 10:37am

    So, essentially this would flood Google with reports that http://lieberman.senate.gov/ is a terrorist site.

    Well thought out as ever, Senator.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 10:40am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    Most other businesses will find a way to reduce costs when times get lean.

    I know the amount of filling that is in a pop tart isn't near what it used to be 20 years ago.

    PepsiCo attempts to force people to purchase 20 packs of pop instead of 24 packs because people got used to paying $5 for a case a pop.

    The size of Little Debbie snack cakes have been reduced. As well as the amount of filling in a Hostess Ding Dong.

    The point is, other industries are forced to find ways to reduce costs to make a profit.

    I think what Rikuo's point is why should the Entertainment Industry be allowed to pass laws to preserve an outdated business model, when all other companies must actually innovate, and/or slash costs to stay afloat?

     

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    Charles (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 10:42am

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    "Or maybe it is time to admit that Congress doesn't understand the internet, is terrified by it, but seeks to exert some sort of control to feel empowered... only to end up looking like a bigger old fool."

    I agree 100 per cent. You can substitute Congress with RIAA or MPAA or any other AA. The internet is one of the best innovations of all time, yet some just don't get it.

     

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    Steve R. (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 10:43am

    McCartyism Revived

    We are witnessing the rebirth of McCartyism. In the case today, it is not the threat of Communism as the source of FUD, but other boogeymen such as terrorism, piracy, and drugs.

    Won't be long before we have a new "House Committee on Un-American Activities". I also suspect, based on Newt Gingrich's comments that we may soon have a Federal PreCrime police unit authorized to arrest people on the simple belief without evidence that they may commit a crime.

     

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    jeremy7600, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 10:50am

    Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    Darryl is the king of maunder. (and he's uncontested at that)

    But I think the queen of maunder is OOTB.

    She just doesn't know it yet. (Will she ever?)

     

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    Overcast (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 10:53am

    expressing his concern that not enough stuff is getting labeled "terrorism."


    That's because there's far less of it then people like him want us to believe.

    If there's more to be fearful of, that gives those in office more power.

     

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    Overcast (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 10:55am

    Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.

    - Mark Twain

     

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    The Groove Tiger (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 11:22am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    He actually tried to justify it with "because a $100M movie has the highest chance of making any money back". So yeah, we need to protect $100M movie business because piracy makes it hard for $100M movies which must be made because $100M movies have the best chance of making a profit because of piracy.

     

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    PaulT (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 11:22am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    "WHY you don't want to try lowering your costs"

    Because that would be logical and good business sense, like not restricting content to a small proportion of the potential market or delivering a product that's not deliberately broken. These people don't actually want to do good business, they just want free money no matter the cost for others.

     

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    The eejit (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 11:26am

    Re: Re:

    Cloning and the tech from Eternal Sunshine don't exist for humans yet. I may try and re-invent the pirate while I'm at it.

     

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    The eejit (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 11:29am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    Bearing in mind that there are very few movies that directly cost $100m to create (Marketing isn't counted here). I think there's been about 30 (the most expensive being Avatar, at over $200m, IIRC).

     

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    The eejit (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 11:30am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    The same could be said of OOtB about Mike.

     

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    The eejit (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 11:32am

    Re: Page o' Buttons concept

    But...but...THINK OF THE 1-CLICK BUTT-oh, wait, that's patented.

     

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    DV Henkel-Wallace (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 11:33am

    Actually, kinda cool

    I think of Liberman as a retrograde anti-technologist, but he is advocating the Semantic Web, a technotopial idea!

    Not that he would be persuaded by the obvious reasons it unfortunately can't work

    Nonetheless I continue to be astonished that he wants to make it harder to find bad guys! It's almost like he supports terrorism (which I don't believe he does)!

     

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    The eejit (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 11:33am

    Re: Re:

    Wait, GM make turkeys?

    RUN! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

     

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    The eejit (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 11:35am

    Re: McCartyism Revived

    ...And once again, Philip K. Dick proves prophetic about the stupidity of authoritarianism.

     

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 11:43am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Genetically Modified....
    I was living the dream where I hoped a turkey joke would have won for last week...
    I has a sad...

     

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 11:46am

    Re: Re:

    It would be nice if they just embraced it, they have seen every single one of their "THIS WILL DESTROY OUR INDUSTRY" technologies become something amazing for them once they adapted. Maybe if they started replacing the old men with people willing to accept that as time passes we need to adapt.

     

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    Joe, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 11:53am

    I like this idea

    But only if the senator gets Cc'd on every button press.

     

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    Ron Rezendes (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 11:53am

    Kettle - this is the pot, "You're black!"

    This is so rich coming from ootb...LMFTFY:

    That's because "oob" doesn't have any substance, so thinks to nag me. It's all he can manage, so applaud his "special" talent.

    Look, guys, just contradicting me manifestly isn't effective. IF you have some view, THEN STATE IT.

     

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    PaulT (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 11:57am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    "Most other businesses will find a way to reduce costs when times get lean."

    Actually, the amusing thing here is that times aren't lean at all for the movie industry. It looks set to be yet another record-breaking year for Hollywood with 26 movies so far having broken $100 million at the domestic box office (according to boxofficemojo.com), and several having surpassed $1 billion internationally. Many are (or should be if not for Hollywood accounting) in profit before they even leave the cinemas and on to secondary markets with the potential for significant long-term revenue.

     

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    PaulT (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 12:24pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    Indeed. Marketing is somewhere a lot of savings could be made, especially if the industry started aiming for mid range profits rather than judging every product on opening weekend grosses. But, if you've already got a film that's filled with CGI and runs 45 minutes than it has any business being for the story it's telling, that's the least of your problems.

     

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    lucidrenegade (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 12:29pm

    Re: Page o' Buttons concept

    We need a "report crack-head" button for OOTB's posts.

     

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    Ilfar, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 12:48pm

    Re: Re:

    I see more clicking because someone lost an argument, or they disagree with the post, than any real chance of it being used as intended.

    Come to think on it, I'd love to see some stats behind the 'report' button we have here. Do comments in arguments tend to get more reports? Do account holders or ACs make more reports?

     

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    hegemon13, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 12:55pm

    "The implicit statement seems to be 'We can't figure out how to stop terrorists so we're leaving that to you'..."

    And the implicit statement in your statement is that the government should somehow be able to stop terrorists. (If I am misinterpreting, I apologize.) Terrorism is a tactic used by desperate people. It cannot be stopped because it is not defined by any specific set of parameters, and it's definition changes based on the whims in Washington. Today's heroic freedom fighters are tomorrow's dangerous terrorists.

    The fact is, terrorism will always exist as a tactic, and it exists in direct relation to the breadth and depth of foreign occupation. The stronger the occupying country, the more likely it is for the people of the occupied country to turn to terror instead of war. The more intrusive an occupying country is, the easier it is for terrorist organizations to recruit from those who oppose the occupation.

    In short, we can't stop terrorism. That so-called war is one without end that will ultimately bankrupt our country, along with much of the Western world. However, we can make the right moves to stop terrorism from being focused on us. We can stop doing things that provoke anger and retaliation. The "report terrorism" concept is only another form of oppression: the elimination of free-speech rights based on an accusation of "dangerous" speech. Such oppression will not stop terrorists. Indeed, such an atmosphere of oppression may serve to exacerbate the problem by creating a new terrorist where one did not exist before.

     

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    PRMan, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 1:05pm

    Re: Re: Joe Publius

    The Bible already predicted 2000 years ago that Christianity would be banned, forced to go into hiding and not allowed access to commerce. Nice of Techdirt to remind people every day of the chances of that coming true.

     

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    DannyB (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 1:21pm

    Re: Re: Re: Joe Publius

    The Mayans predicted that by 2012 we would run out of IPv4 addresses.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 1:22pm

    "He called me a meanie! HE'S A TERRORIST!"

     

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    JMT (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 1:24pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    "I see more clicking because someone lost an argument, or they disagree with the post, than any real chance of it being used as intended."

    Judging by the comments that make it into the Funniest/Most Insightful Comments Of The Week posts based directly on those voting buttons, I'd say you're completely wrong.

     

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    Bob, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 1:50pm

    Re: Re:

    I did read the article and understand that it claims such a button will not work... but there is no good reason given for why it won't work other than we don't like the idea. And I am pointing out that we should not underestimate the power of harnessing bored humans to do sophisticated interpretation of patterns of activity. It's a far better idea than trying to recognize classes of sites automatically based on keywords.

     

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    Joe Publius (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 2:14pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Joe Publius

    This post makes me feel scared. Time to light the Liebersignal!

     

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    Joe Publius (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 2:18pm

    Re: McCartyism Revived

    Oh, the government has been working on that for a while: http://1.usa.gov/icp63K

     

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    abc gum, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 2:37pm

    I think we need a "Report a Witch Button".

    Fraudulent click control would be handled by a short questionnaire / EULA which must be completed before the "Report a Witch" button is enabled.

    1) How do you know (s)he is a witch, does (s)he look like one?
    2) Did you dress him/her up like that?
    3) Provide a description of the nose.
    4) Does (s)he have a hat? Any warts?
    5) Did (s)he turn you into a newt?
    6) Does (s)he weigh the same as a duck?

     

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    A Guy (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 3:28pm

    I think Lieberman is thinking of his own political survival. (I know, from a politician, shocking)

    He may be afraid of getting caught up in a wave of "throw out the incumbent bums" and needs an issue to hang his hat on. Yelling "TERRORISM" is his thing. It's been his thing since the Bush administration.

    Crowd-sourcing some intelligence gathering could be beneficial. However, this tactic will probably just lead to a bunch of false leads, more radicalization instead of less, and the harassment of innocent people.

     

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    Filan, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 4:11pm

    Re:

    It would have to be clicked 100 times if there where a report senator as idiot button in this world... afaik they tend to all be idiots.

     

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    DC, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 4:21pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Are you seriously equating funny / insightful with terrorist?

     

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    Jews., Nov 28th, 2011 @ 5:52pm

    Lieberman is America's #1 Terrorist

    When is this man going to stop terrorizing the American public?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 28th, 2011 @ 6:02pm

    I think someone has watched one to many Staples commercials.

     

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    B Pickel (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 7:42pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    Maybe it's time for a report stalker button?

     

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    Bergman (profile), Nov 28th, 2011 @ 11:49pm

    > 'People have to understand that America and its allies are
    > legitimate targets in warfare. This includes facilities
    > such as army bases, police stations, political
    > facilities, embassies, CIA and FBI buildings, private and
    > public airports, and all kinds of buildings where money
    > is being made to help fund the war.'

    That target list sounds an awful lot like the targets the U.S. military has been hitting in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and elsewhere. Generally the U.S. doesn't bomb embassies, but everything else on the list is considered to be legitimate by the U.S. military.

    So if WE consider those legitimate targets, why would anyone expect our enemies to leave such targets alone? Just because they're ours?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 29th, 2011 @ 4:30am

    Another Great Idea

    What a great idea. And then everyone can report US govt sites as the preferred websites of the largest terrorism network that has ever existed. Admittedly they would only get a couple of billion reports, but even one or two Americans may actually use the button.

     

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    bshock, Nov 29th, 2011 @ 7:19am

    it cuts both ways

    How do I report Joe Lieberman as a terrorist?

    I'm serious. This person terrifies the hell out of me. As a U.S. senator, he has massive amounts of power to take away my freedom, waste public money, destroy property, push for war, and generally use the leviathan of government to work his twisted will.

    I didn't elect him (in fact, only a vanishingly tiny, unrepresentative constituency in the country's smallest state elected him), and yet he has the ability to screw up my life far worse than any member of Al Qaeda.

    Every time this man opens his mouth, I'm scared. Where's my "terrorist" button to label Joe Lieberman?

     

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    Trails (profile), Nov 29th, 2011 @ 12:23pm

    Should have thought of this sooner, but

     

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    Jake F., Nov 29th, 2011 @ 1:26pm

    Think about it.

    Will Jewish literature, or pro-Israel speech get flagged? Think about that, Senator.

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 29th, 2011 @ 8:35pm

    Re: Here's actual censorship, plus the danger of Google,

    yet you don't seem too het up about it, just maunder that won't be effective.

    So when TechDirt agrees with you, your complaint is that they don't agree with you enough?

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 29th, 2011 @ 8:41pm

    Anonymous

    If this happens, I hope Anonymous or someone distributes a script that just crawls the web looking for these buttons and presses them constantly. If they see that every single site with a terrorism button on it gets reported thousands of times, maybe even Liberman will realize it's not working.

     

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    Ben, Nov 29th, 2011 @ 9:42pm

    wait wait wait, HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE HERE PEOPLE!

    I can... are you saying there's a button on youtube that lets me report videos as terrorists?

    Just like, any video I want, anything I don't like as a terrorist act?

    Cause if so.... man fuck I've got some reporting to get done.

     

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    Zoredache, Nov 30th, 2011 @ 12:40am

    bookmarklet

    Someone setup a bookmarklet, that will forward a link to the current page directly to Joe's email. That way it would work for any site on the Internet. I am sure he will find it very easy to deal with any false positives.

     

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    Daniel J. Lavigne, Dec 5th, 2011 @ 3:04am

    Dealing with 'Public Enemies'

     

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    Daniel J. Lavigne, Dec 5th, 2011 @ 3:07am

    Re: it cuts both ways

    Joe (The Fool) Lieberman is identified as a 'Public Enemy' at:

    http://www.taxrefusal.com/public-enemies.html

     

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    hickkid, Dec 5th, 2011 @ 11:01pm

    Re:

    look at the bright side- the people in congress currently will be dead soon and the people to take their place should actually understand the internet

     

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    Steve from Detroit, Sep 23rd, 2012 @ 3:22pm

    Joe Lieberman

    As a christian pro Israel US citizen.... let me say
    Senator Lieberman is the only Democart I trust!!!!!

     

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